Does anybody know when the numbers from the PPV buys are due?
So I hope people finally realize PBF vs Manny won't happen.
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They should be out by today or tomorrow. HBO and Golden Boy are usually pretty quick to get them out, especially if they're good.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. should*retire
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"It'll be a big blow to his ego. He's got a big ego, and that's what makes him. That's what drives him. Because he knows that if he loses, where's everybody at? I think that's why Floyd is a machine when he trains. Because if he loses, that's his biggest fear. Floyd doesn't want to lose."
-- Oscar De La Hoya, the day before the Floyd Mayweather-Miguel Cotto fight
Now what?
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Frederick J. Brown/Getty ImagesIf Floyd Mayweather stepped away now, everyone would remember his career ending with an exciting fight.
Floyd Mayweather has just added Miguel Cotto to his list of victims, taken his unbeaten record to 43 and officially become this generation's Rocky Marciano.
Now what? What should the man the world seems to love to loathe do next?
He spoke of fighting Manny Pacquiao; of not fighting Manny Pacquiao; of purse splits and drug tests; of Bob Arum being the enigma and the reason the fight of his life won't happen; of June 1, Day 1 of his 87-day jail sentence.
It's after he gets out that there's uncertainty.
What Will Be Next versus What Should Be Next. Mayweather basically has the immediate future of the sport in his hands. His future versus the future of boxing. A future that does not include a fight with Pacquiao. A future in which Mayweather should never fight again.
He won't do that. That would be too perfect. Historically, boxers have had a harder time leaving their sport than all other professional athletes, so expecting Mayweather to be different would be wishful.
But boxing needs Mayweather to never come back … unless it's to fight Pacquiao. Mayweather's legacy needs Mayweather to never come back … unless it's to fight Pacquiao.
As great as Saturday's fight with Cotto was, no one wants to see anything similar again. And Mayweather doesn't need anything similar again. Because as great as it was to see Mayweather actually fight -- and be in a real fight in which someone actually challenged him -- the fight itself was meaningless. As will be every other fight he takes. Unless it's against … we know who.
It's time for boxing to get past always waiting on Mayweather to save the sport whenever it's in desperate need of attention and whenever Las Vegas needs to generate serious cash flow and whenever the sport has to remind the general public that it still has a pulse.
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John Gurzinski/AFP/GettyImagesIt's time for Floyd Mayweather to sit back and relax.
Ever since his 2007 fight against De La Hoya, Mayweather (and Pacquiao, to a large degree) has been relied upon to rescue boxing from the quicksand that it's been sinking in since the UFC and MMA took over the contact sport world.
The time has come for boxing to find out what life without Mayweather is really like. But more than boxing finding itself without him, Mayweather needs to find out what type of life he's going to have without being the lifeline of a sport.
As it stands now, the "0" is all that should matter to Mayweather, not the "43" that precedes it. It's not about Mayweather being protective of the no-loss career he's established, it's about him from this moment forward being ultra-cognizant of it. Because honestly, that's all he's got. The minute he puts himself in position to lose a fight to anyone beside Pacquiao, his meaning to the sport will depreciate faster than a Bentley once it leaves the dealership's showroom.
Mayweather's legacy and Mayweather himself (with the exception of continuing to break boxing's per-fight purse records as he did in the Cotto fight by personally pulling in more than $32 million) have nothing to gain by continuing to fight. Scheduling and going through with fights against the Sergio Martinezes, Andre Wards or Canelo Alvarezes of the world serve no purpose. Winning those fights changes nothing. They just pad the record of a career that can only become greater with one specific fight and can fall from grace with a loss in any fight.
Yes, the time has come. Say goodbye, Floyd. Officially. Throw up deuces instead of the index finger. For a man who has always been about himself, Floyd Mayweather has never been selfish. Not when it comes to boxing. Now is the time to be selfish. Really selfish. At this point, boxing needs Mayweather increasingly more than he needs it. And once and for all, he needs to recognize and ultimately act on it. Time for "Money" to think about something other than money.
"There's really no one for me to fight," Mayweather said not long after the Cotto fight. "I don't have to fight if I don't want to. They say, 'Save the best for last.' And if this was my last fight, it was a helluva fight."
Here's to hoping those words are his epitaph. For both him and the sport.
In what many consider one of the greatest boxing stories ever written, W.C. Heinz opened the "Brownsville Bum" with this: "It's a funny thing about people. People will hate a guy all his life for what he is, but the minute he dies for it they make him out a hero and they go around saying that maybe he wasn't such a bad guy after all because he was willing to go the distance for whatever he believed or whatever he was."
From a pure boxing standpoint, Floyd Mayweather has gone that distance with the exception of one fight. A fight that should have already happened but probably never will. The world already hates him. It always has. So why should Mayweather even think about giving the world the satisfaction -- after all he's done to validate his greatness and position among boxing's gods -- of falling in love with him only if he were to lose?
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"It'll be a big blow to his ego. He's got a big ego, and that's what makes him. That's what drives him. Because he knows that if he loses, where's everybody at? I think that's why Floyd is a machine when he trains. Because if he loses, that's his biggest fear. Floyd doesn't want to lose."
-- Oscar De La Hoya, the day before the Floyd Mayweather-Miguel Cotto fight
Now what?
[+] Enlarge
Frederick J. Brown/Getty ImagesIf Floyd Mayweather stepped away now, everyone would remember his career ending with an exciting fight.
Floyd Mayweather has just added Miguel Cotto to his list of victims, taken his unbeaten record to 43 and officially become this generation's Rocky Marciano.
Now what? What should the man the world seems to love to loathe do next?
He spoke of fighting Manny Pacquiao; of not fighting Manny Pacquiao; of purse splits and drug tests; of Bob Arum being the enigma and the reason the fight of his life won't happen; of June 1, Day 1 of his 87-day jail sentence.
It's after he gets out that there's uncertainty.
What Will Be Next versus What Should Be Next. Mayweather basically has the immediate future of the sport in his hands. His future versus the future of boxing. A future that does not include a fight with Pacquiao. A future in which Mayweather should never fight again.
He won't do that. That would be too perfect. Historically, boxers have had a harder time leaving their sport than all other professional athletes, so expecting Mayweather to be different would be wishful.
But boxing needs Mayweather to never come back … unless it's to fight Pacquiao. Mayweather's legacy needs Mayweather to never come back … unless it's to fight Pacquiao.
As great as Saturday's fight with Cotto was, no one wants to see anything similar again. And Mayweather doesn't need anything similar again. Because as great as it was to see Mayweather actually fight -- and be in a real fight in which someone actually challenged him -- the fight itself was meaningless. As will be every other fight he takes. Unless it's against … we know who.
It's time for boxing to get past always waiting on Mayweather to save the sport whenever it's in desperate need of attention and whenever Las Vegas needs to generate serious cash flow and whenever the sport has to remind the general public that it still has a pulse.
[+] Enlarge
John Gurzinski/AFP/GettyImagesIt's time for Floyd Mayweather to sit back and relax.
Ever since his 2007 fight against De La Hoya, Mayweather (and Pacquiao, to a large degree) has been relied upon to rescue boxing from the quicksand that it's been sinking in since the UFC and MMA took over the contact sport world.
The time has come for boxing to find out what life without Mayweather is really like. But more than boxing finding itself without him, Mayweather needs to find out what type of life he's going to have without being the lifeline of a sport.
As it stands now, the "0" is all that should matter to Mayweather, not the "43" that precedes it. It's not about Mayweather being protective of the no-loss career he's established, it's about him from this moment forward being ultra-cognizant of it. Because honestly, that's all he's got. The minute he puts himself in position to lose a fight to anyone beside Pacquiao, his meaning to the sport will depreciate faster than a Bentley once it leaves the dealership's showroom.
Mayweather's legacy and Mayweather himself (with the exception of continuing to break boxing's per-fight purse records as he did in the Cotto fight by personally pulling in more than $32 million) have nothing to gain by continuing to fight. Scheduling and going through with fights against the Sergio Martinezes, Andre Wards or Canelo Alvarezes of the world serve no purpose. Winning those fights changes nothing. They just pad the record of a career that can only become greater with one specific fight and can fall from grace with a loss in any fight.
Yes, the time has come. Say goodbye, Floyd. Officially. Throw up deuces instead of the index finger. For a man who has always been about himself, Floyd Mayweather has never been selfish. Not when it comes to boxing. Now is the time to be selfish. Really selfish. At this point, boxing needs Mayweather increasingly more than he needs it. And once and for all, he needs to recognize and ultimately act on it. Time for "Money" to think about something other than money.
"There's really no one for me to fight," Mayweather said not long after the Cotto fight. "I don't have to fight if I don't want to. They say, 'Save the best for last.' And if this was my last fight, it was a helluva fight."
Here's to hoping those words are his epitaph. For both him and the sport.
In what many consider one of the greatest boxing stories ever written, W.C. Heinz opened the "Brownsville Bum" with this: "It's a funny thing about people. People will hate a guy all his life for what he is, but the minute he dies for it they make him out a hero and they go around saying that maybe he wasn't such a bad guy after all because he was willing to go the distance for whatever he believed or whatever he was."
From a pure boxing standpoint, Floyd Mayweather has gone that distance with the exception of one fight. A fight that should have already happened but probably never will. The world already hates him. It always has. So why should Mayweather even think about giving the world the satisfaction -- after all he's done to validate his greatness and position among boxing's gods -- of falling in love with him only if he were to lose?
Arum Compares Mayweather to Nazi Propaganda Minister - Boxing News
by David P. Greisman
Bob Arum of Top Rank, speaking this week to Las Vegas radio station ESPN 1100, compared Floyd Mayweather Jr. to an infamous Nazi propaganda minister.
Arum said this of the difficulty in negotiating with Mayweather, according to a transcript of the conversation from SportsRadioInterviews.com and a copy of the audio posted on that website:
“It’s outrageous. What do you mean take the test? For two years Pacquiao has said that he will take any drug test, whoever administers it, so why is that still being talked about by Mayweather? You see, Mayweather is from the school of propaganda that Joseph Goebbels, who was Hitler’s publicist, adopted. The more you say things over and over again the more people believe them.
“The fact is clear that Pacquiao has agreed to unlimited drug testing, so that is not an issue, and for two years everybody agreed that the proceeds would be split 50/50. Now there’s an excuse and he doesn’t want to split it 50/50 so we say ‘OK, here’s the deal. Let’s make it 45/45 to each fighter and then 10 percent, the missing 10 percent goes to the winner.’ What did he [Mayweather] say? ‘Take the test!’ Or ‘I don’t want to get hurt.’ ”
by David P. Greisman
Bob Arum of Top Rank, speaking this week to Las Vegas radio station ESPN 1100, compared Floyd Mayweather Jr. to an infamous Nazi propaganda minister.
Arum said this of the difficulty in negotiating with Mayweather, according to a transcript of the conversation from SportsRadioInterviews.com and a copy of the audio posted on that website:
“It’s outrageous. What do you mean take the test? For two years Pacquiao has said that he will take any drug test, whoever administers it, so why is that still being talked about by Mayweather? You see, Mayweather is from the school of propaganda that Joseph Goebbels, who was Hitler’s publicist, adopted. The more you say things over and over again the more people believe them.
“The fact is clear that Pacquiao has agreed to unlimited drug testing, so that is not an issue, and for two years everybody agreed that the proceeds would be split 50/50. Now there’s an excuse and he doesn’t want to split it 50/50 so we say ‘OK, here’s the deal. Let’s make it 45/45 to each fighter and then 10 percent, the missing 10 percent goes to the winner.’ What did he [Mayweather] say? ‘Take the test!’ Or ‘I don’t want to get hurt.’ ”
I didnt say it, Arum did, but you can understand the frustration,
Understand the frustration??? You can't be serious.
Yeah. When the first thing that comes out pbf's mouthis take the test. It us old cause they squashed that. Why mention it? PBF mightas well be saying "i am not fighting in Texas." which is another non issue. But he needs to do as he did last week. Just say he beleives manny is cheating and doesn't want to risk getting hurt in every interview. At least then he will be honest about why he isnt trying to make the fight.
Your hatred is unbelievable. Comparing this shit to Nazi propaganda??? I'm not going to waste my time with this no more.
Lol, dude you are way too sensitive. If a tactic used by a person in their propaganda is similiar it just is. Ali said I'm the greatest and it became apart of his persona. Jay-z and lil wayne did it to. You repeat a statement over and over the masses are inclined to except it even if it isn't based on reality. Nobody is saying pbf and these other people are similar to nazi's. But they used the media to enforce a belief that eventually becomes accept as truth. That more is about propaganda than nazi. At least that is how I read into his comments. Lmao if you think he was comparing him actually to the nazi doctrine. Then you are pretty stupid and extremely sensitive. And please don't waste time on me. I actually like that more than you attempting to e-motivate yourself all the time with your childish antics.
http://www.boxingsocialist.com/prof...wers-arum-i-have-my-guarantee-stop-lying-to-t
Look here mayne - I don't trust Bob Arum. I need to see Manny say I will take the test. Bob Arum said it. But Manny ain't say shit. Fuck that....
I don't know if the Mayweathers are Nazi enthusiasts but from the beginning I knew what they were doing. For me, it's easy to see what Mayweather Sr was doing when he was going around saying he's the greatest trainer in the world. By going around repeating this, the public will believe it at least temporarily because people are like sheep. Mayweather Jr does the same thing.
These guys are not stupid and understand very well how to manipulate the masses and how they are perceived.
That is why Mayweather apologized to Merchant, was respectful to Cotto throughout the promotion, etc. Why was he like this? Because the end is nearing and he does not want to go out as a villain or hated especially since the fight with Pacquiao will not happen. So he acts all nice now and then throws in the "take the test" stuff at the end of the interview even though the shit is already squashed. This is for the general boxing fans to feel like "Oh, this is a nice guy. He just wants to clean up boxing. Oh, I guess that Pacquiao guy still doesn't want to take the drug test. He must be cheating. Mayweather is such a wonderful guy. I will go on BGOL and defend him no matter what he does. To me, he is like Jesus or maybe a mixture of Jesus with a little bit of MR.T and Jay Z."
People are like sheep and are easily manipulated. That's why there are so many religions out there.
This is where the many of the Floyd detractors look like idiots. When Floyd said some really racist shit about Manny, no one defended him. But here Bob Arum, not the most reputable person in the first place, compares him with one of the most despised Nazis and there are people "understanding". You know Ali was calling himself "The Greatest" when he was still Cassius Clay. That would have been a better analogy and it would have been a boxing analogy.
Mannys own people know what it is .
<div class="articleheader"><h1>alex ariza: "manny can't fight anyone not promoted by bob"</h1>by <a href="mailto:fstrunk@fighthype.com">felix strunk</a> | may 14, 2012</div>
<div class="articlebody"><div class="articleimage"><img src="/images/content/alexariza.jpg" width="200" height="250" alt="" border="0"></div><p>"<a href="https://twitter.com/#!/arizafitness/status/201495455924883457">manny cant fight anyone not promoted by bob</a>," stated world-class strength & conditioning alex ariza, who opened up to fans over the weekend, answering a number of questions from his followers on twitter. Never afraid to express his honest opinion, ariza held nothing back when it came to questions regarding a mega-fight between his client, manny pacquiao, and floyd mayweather. While some fans expressed their opinion that the undefeated fighter was to blame for the bout not happening, ariza actually shares the same opinion as mayweather, placing 100% of the blame on promoter bob arum.<br><br>
"<a href="https://twitter.com/#!/arizafitness/status/201509963670102016">wrong, its arum</a>," ariza would reply when a fan suggested that mayweather should share the blame. In fact, ariza is of the opinion that perhaps mayweather should get a higher percentage of the purse if his pay-per-view numbers are indeed higher than pacquiao's numbers. "<a href="https://twitter.com/#!/arizafitness/status/201497560102346752">not if floyd's #s are higher</a>," he answered when a fan asked if pacquiao deserves a 50/50 split of the purse.<br><br>
some think the fight would be much easier to make if arum was not standing in the way, but the only way that could happen is if pacquiao can part ways with his longtime promoter, much like de la hoya, mayweather, and most recently cotto was able to do. Unfortunately, that will likely never happen, as the person responsible for giving pacquiao that advise, michael koncz, is more concerned with what's best for arum, according to ariza. When asked why koncz doesn't advise pacquiao to part ways with arum, ariza commented, "<a href="https://twitter.com/#!/arizafitness/status/201501239748472832">cause he works for bob</a>."</p></div>
http://fighthype.com/news/article12413.html
You think they can be reasoned with.
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Thats not a rhetorical question is it?
Thats not a rhetorical question is it?
Just a statement. You can't use logic with this nonsense. Some shit you just gotta throw your hands up and give up because there is no point in playing a retard's game.
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I'm amazed that not one Pacman fan has anything to say about what Manny's strength and conditioning coach came out and said. Fucking fascinating
You think they can be reasoned with.
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You know me, I'm not really talking to the crazies, I'm talking to the lurkers who might think they're right.
The lurkers would have to be just as crazy at this point. Especially with this shit. Have they ever presented sound logic or even come to a conclusion without ignoring facts.
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