So has Sergio earned the right to talk big shit...

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Or is he just getting over on fighting Europeans?

It might be a little of both, but brutal knockdowns/knockouts add up regardless the circumstances...

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Paul Williams was his most celebrated ko

Paul was waiting to be knocked out

He always fought like a bitch to me.

When you see a dude throwing a whole lotta wasted punches he scared.
 
Paul Williams was his most celebrated ko

Paul was waiting to be knocked out

He always fought like a bitch to me.

When you see a dude throwing a whole lotta wasted punches he scared.

:hmm:

That's an interesting perspective.


I think Sergio has earned the right to talk shit. He knocks people out and he does it late, which is relatively rare. His stamina and conditioning make him dangerous especially fighting guys who may be cutting weight to make 160 so what he might give away in size, he makes up with endurance.
 
I think he has. He's a small middleweight who knocks natural ones the fuck out. I think dude fights up to the level of his comp. He looks brilliant against good fighters but he looks just good enough against normal fighters. I sensed boredom from him early in the fight. I even told my girl exactly how the fight would play out - not that she gave a shit.:lol:

And he's fighting Europeans because no one stateside wants to thump with him. I think in a couple of fights, he and Kirkland will meet.
 
I think he has. He's a small middleweight who knocks natural ones the fuck out. I think dude fights up to the level of his comp. He looks brilliant against good fighters but he looks just good enough against normal fighters. I sensed boredom from him early in the fight. I even told my girl exactly how the fight would play out - not that she gave a shit.:lol:

And he's fighting Europeans because no one stateside wants to thump with him. I think in a couple of fights, he and Kirkland will meet.

They may not have a choice if they want to fight on HBO.

I just saw "2 Days" featuring Kirkland and boy HBO was feeling him. There were a lot of sad people when he got popped by Ishida. I knew he saved his career beating Angulo, I didn't realize how true that was.
 
They may not have a choice if they want to fight on HBO.

I just saw "2 Days" featuring Kirkland and boy HBO was feeling him. There were a lot of sad people when he got popped by Ishida. I knew he saved his career beating Angulo, I didn't realize how true that was.

He has a (dangerous) fan pleasing style, a crazy background and even crazier trainer, who happens to be a woman. The shit sounds like the crazy plot to a twisted Rocky movie. HBO would be dummies not to push him.

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Sergio Martinez's Options Could Include Lee and Geale

NEW YORK — Assuming Sergio Martinez remains at middleweight for his next bout and cannot lure Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. into the fight he really wants, there are two opponents promoter Lou DiBella will consider.

DiBella said fights against IBF middleweight champion Daniel Geale and Andy Lee make sense to him, but DiBella won’t entertain offers for bouts with two other undefeated middleweight title-holders.

“To get into a situation where someone comes up and says, ‘Fight a Pirog, fight a Golovkin,’ I’m going to say no,” DiBella said. “Because they bring not a dollar to the table. Not that they’re not good fighters, but he’s going to beat them anyway and they bring nothing but risk, and no reward. Zero. It proves nothing. I’d rather fight Andy Lee, bring it back here [to The Theater at Madison Square Garden] and sell the place out again. … Andy’s certainly in the mix. He’s one of the best available middleweights. Andy’s got to be in the mix. And Danny Geale, I mean, he speaks English, you can promote him. I don’t know.”

Kazakhstan’s Gennady Golovkin (22-0, 19 KOs), who owns the WBA’s middleweight title (Felix Sturm is the WBA’s super champion at 160 pounds), attended Martinez’s technical knockout victory over Matthew Macklin on Saturday night in The Theater at Madison Square Garden. Golovkin very much wants to fight Martinez in the United States, but it appears that the talented but unknown Stuttgart, Germany, resident will have to look for another opponent against whom he can make his American debut.

Russia’s Dmitry Pirog (19-0, 15 KOs) made a sensational American debut by knocking out Danny Jacobs (22-1, 19 KOs) to win the then-vacant WBO middleweight title in July 2010. He has fought just twice since then, though, and is tentatively scheduled to defend his championship against an undetermined opponent May 1 in Moscow.

Australia’s Geale (27-1, 15 KOs) made a second defense of the IBF 160-pound title March 7 in Hobart, Australia, where he out-pointed Ghana’s Osumanu Adama (20-3, 15 KOs).

“My personal opinion is I don’t think Lou wants to fight anybody with Martinez,” said Gary Shaw, Geale’s promoter. “He’s looking for the easy way out. But I think those days are over. He and [Martinez adviser] Sampson [Lewkowicz] and Martinez are going to get a strong dose of medication when they go up to HBO for the next Martinez fight.

“I’ve spoken to [DiBella]. I’ve said, you should be looking [at Geale] as the next guy.’ But right now, it’s falling on deaf ears, so I’ll let someone else relay the message to them.”

http://www.boxingscene.com/sergio-martinezs-options-include-lee-geale--50775
 
Martinez-Chavez Situation, Solution Explained By DiBella

Lou DiBella, promoter for middleweight Sergio Martinez (48-2-2, 27KOs), spoke with BoxingScene.com to explain the current status of his negotiations to make a fall fight between Martinez and WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (45-0-1, 31KOs). Martinez became the mandatory challenger at last December's WBC convention in Las Vegas. Chavez is planning to defend his title against British challenger Martin Murray on June 16th in El Paso, Texas.

According to the Chavez camp, a date of September 15th has been placed on hold for a fight with Martinez. DiBella is willing to have Martinez step aside, which he also did in February when Chavez decisioned Marco Antonio Rubio - but only under two conidtions. DiBella says the two sides would have to sign a contract for a fall fight - and Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum would have to deposit a sum of money in escrow to ensure the fall clash happen.

"Chavez is going to fight Murray and I'm going to talk to Bob to see if there is a real possibility that they'll fight in September or not. But if he does fight Murray, he should be stripped before that. However, if Bob is willing to make a deal where we will sign on the dotted line, and he will put money in escrow - because I don't believe Chavez is ever fighting Sergio," DiBella told BoxingScene.com.

"So let them put some money in an account and he gets to keep his belt and fight Murray, but if the fight doesn't happen in the fall - then the money in the account, half a million dollars or whatever, will go to Sergio. [If they do that], then we would say 'okay we'll step aside again'.......if we were getting that opportunity in September or October and there was money in the bank. I have no faith that they are going to make the fight. I'm going to try to talk to Bob on Monday or Tuesday."

http://www.boxingscene.com/martinez-chavez-situation-solution-explained-by-dibella--50759
 
DiBella: Mayweather Can Get 80-20 Split, 150 for Martinez

Lou DiBella, promoter of middleweight king Sergio Martinez (49-2-2, 28KOs), is willing to go above and beyond to secure a fight with five division world champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. (42-0, 26KOs). DiBella is confident that Mayweather will defeat WBA 154-pound champion Miguel Cotto on May 5th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. DiBella told BoxingScene.com that Martinez is willing to accept a financial split of 80-20 for a Mayweather fight, and Martinez would drop down to a catch-weight of 150-pounds.

"We would fight Floyd at 151. We would fight Floyd at 150 and [Martinez] would have to kill himself to make 150 and Floyd would be favored [to win] at 150. Cotto is a dead man at 154. Cotto is a half-shot. He's a great fighter, but he gets hit by everything. He incented Cotto to make a big money fight. It's very smart business. If he wants to handicap Sergio, we'll fight him as low as 150. And we'll give him 80% of the money. Mayweather can have 80% of the money and we'll fight him as low as 150. Let's do the fight, after he beats up Cotto," DiBella told BoxingScene.com.

http://www.boxingscene.com/dibella-mayweather-get-80-20-split-150-martinez--50757

This motherfucker is speaking Floyd's language.
 
DiBella: Ward, Bute Too Big, That's Like Martinez-Klitschko

NEW YORK — Sergio Martinez’s top two targets have other fights scheduled, so Lou DiBella doesn’t know who the sport’s top middleweight will fight next.

DiBella does know that Martinez won’t move up to 168 pounds to challenge Andre Ward or Lucian Bute while waiting for a fight against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. or Floyd Mayweather Jr. The Argentine southpaw’s emotional promoter grew angry when he heard HBO commentator Larry Merchant suggest Martinez move up to 168 pounds.

“I’m sick of listening to [B.S.], particularly emanating from commentators and press, about fighting guys like [Lucian] Bute and Andre Ward, who walk around 25-to-30 pounds heavier than him,” DiBella said. “He’s a 54-pounder. The advantage that [Matthew] Macklin had for those rounds, the advantage that [Darren] Barker had for those rounds, the advantage that [Kelly] Pavlik had for some rounds was that they’re bigger, and they’re stronger.

“This guy is superhuman. He’s a 54-pound freak. At 37 years old, guys like him don’t exist anymore. You know, appreciate what you’re watching. He’s an all-time great. He’s a Hall-of-Famer. He’s a great fighter, man, and there’s a reason why people are ducking him. They’re ducking a great fighter. They’re ducking a likely loss.”

The undefeated Ward tweeted Saturday night that he is interested in facing Martinez, even though a Bute bout is what Ward (25-0, 13 KOs) should pursue if Bute (31-0, 24 KOs) conquers Carl Froch (28-2, 20 KOs) on May 26 in Nottingham, England, Froch’s hometown. DiBella dismissed the possibility quickly because he maintains Martinez isn’t even a real middleweight, much less a super middleweight.

DiBella said Martinez (49-2-2, 28 KOs), of Oxnard, Calif., arrived in New York last week at 154 pounds and ate steak and potatoes all week just to weigh in at 157½ pounds Friday, half-a-pound less than England’s Macklin (28-4, 19 KOs).

“To say he should move up to fight Bute or Ward is like saying he should fight Klitschko,” DiBella said. “Eating every meal he weighed 157. The guy was eating to gain weight, not trying to lose weight. I mean, come on. Say what it is. The guy’s a super fighter. He’s Roy Jones in his prime. He’s a Mayweather-level guy, and the reason they’re running from him is because he’s that good. I’m not going to send him to the wolves. Come on. He doesn’t beat Bute. Bute’s too frigging big.”

http://www.boxingscene.com/dibella-ward-bute-too-big-s-like-martinez-klitschko--50792

You know what... I don't even understand why people calling for him to move up, all the money/interesting fights are at 154-160.
 
Merchant: Martinez is Lucky To Get 10% With Mayweather

The world-recognized best middleweight, Sergio 'Maravilla' Martinez, was in the spotlight again last night as he carved up a late-round stoppage over brave-but-outgunned Matthew Macklin inside of The Theatre at Madison Square Garden. Overcoming a slow start that saw him dropped in the sixth round, Martinez would turn up the heat late in the fight as he registered a pair of knockdowns in the eleventh round that had the Birmingham, England fighter’s corner electing to throw in the towel in between rounds.

During the fight, the HBO announcing crew of Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant, and Emanuel Steward seemed far from enamored with Martinez’s performance, pointing to his struggle with Macklin in the first half of the fight. Merchant especially, never one to bite his tongue, seemed to take his share of slight digs at Martinez as the contest wore on.

An hour or so after the HBO broadcast had wrapped up, Merchant reached out to me and had a lot more to share.

Merchant touched on several subplots related to the Macklin fight, including Lampley’s mention of Martinez willing to accept 20% of the purse in a possible fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr., why he doesn’t like the idea of Sergio trying to face smaller fighters, why a fight with WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. may not happen, and much more.

In his own words, this is what Merchant had to share…

Thoughts on Martinez vs. Macklin…
“Hell of a good fight. The champ had to pull it out at the end and he did. Even though he didn’t looked dominant and sometimes looked a little disoriented, I thought, early in the fight. He admitted that he was expecting a different look from Macklin, but at the end of the night, he did it. Like I said, if you strike out four times and you hit a game-winning home run in the ninth inning, you’ve had a hell of a night.”

Martinez’s desire to face either Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr…
“Look, like all professional sports, it’s business as well as a sport. So it’s perfectly understandable that he wants to fight the biggest names that generate the biggest bucks. But he’s not on their short list of opponents. As far as I’m concerned, he’s as good as he thinks and everybody else thinks. I’d love to see him fight a [Andre] Ward or [Lucian] Bute. I’d like to see him step up. He wants those guys to step up to him? He should step up to them. He’s willing to fight Chavez. Well, Chavez looks as big or bigger than those super middleweights these days. He came into the ring weighing 181 last time. Every fighter within ten or more pounds of [Manny] Pacquiao or Mayweather are looking for a way to get into the ring with them. Because that’s where the money is. What’s the old question where they ask Willie Sutton why does he rob banks? ‘Because that’s where the money is’”

Jim Lampley mentioning during the telecast that Martinez was open to taking 20% of the purse in a fight with Mayweather…
“I was going to respond. I think he’d be very fortunate to get ten percent. I’m serious about that. How much money did [Victor] Ortiz get? [Mayweather is] in the commanding position and he doesn’t have to fight him and if Martinez wants to take the shot, then he will find out that, in those fights, if he can win those fights then maybe there will be money in the future. I’m not sympathetic to the idea of him fighting smaller guys but he himself not wanting to be the smaller guy fighting the bigger guy. So it goes. It’s not a new story in boxing that guys who are stars and draw the big crowds can dictate terms and sometimes opponents.”

Whether Chavez will have interest in facing Martinez after his performance on Saturday…
“I find it interesting that Chavez is as big or bigger than the super middleweights who he says are too big for him. But look, I think the conventional wisdom would be that he is too quick for Chavez and that Chavez takes too many punches, but as we saw tonight, a 10-1 underdog gave him all he could handle and pushed him to come back and win it in a dramatic style. Chavez is a bigger man and I don’t know how that equation works. I think the fact that [Chavez’s] management, after first calling out Andy Lee and after saying ‘Well, we don’t want to fight Lee’, part of which is because he’s a southpaw, why would they go and fight this southpaw? [Chavez] is a big star who brings in some good numbers and he’s been in some pretty good fights lately. I don’t know how long he can actually fight at 160.”

The reality of prizefighting…
“You can be sympathetic to Martinez’s desire to fight for the big bucks, but you also have to see the reality. And this is not a new thing in prizefighting. Archie Moore was the number-one light heavyweight contender for five years and when he got his shot, he told me once he had enough money to pay his expenses and trainer. He made nothing. And then he had to fight a rematch with the guy. It’s part of boxing’s intrigue, but the guy’s doing pretty good. He gets on HBO a couple times a year, he makes good money. Not everyone is cut out to be a top fighter as well as a top attraction. HBO loves to have him. He looks the part, he’s come through with four knockouts in a row. He generates crowd-pleasing fights. That’s all you can ask for. We don’t control what the stars feel like doing all the time. It’s what makes the behind-the-scenes process of boxing so fascinating.”

Thoughts on Martinez’s promoter Lou Dibella sounding off a bit at the post-fight press conference…
“He’s a promoter doing what a promoter does. His part is to get the media on his side, and to ingratiate himself with his fighter and show that he’s standing up for him and trying to do everything he can to get the big fights. It’s perfectly understandable that Lou Dibella is trying to make money for his fighter and himself. It’s not like HBO can push Chavez into a corner and tell him he has to fight this guy. That’s not the way it works. And Lou knows it, he’s been around. And if Lou Dibella promoted one of the guys that Martinez wanted to fight, he would be doing exactly what those guys are doing.”

http://www.boxingscene.com/merchant-martinez-lucky-get-10-with-mayweather--50760

Fuck Merchant.
 
the limited competition factor is in play.

i didn't see much special about dude although he is good

to answer the question

in these days and times with the limited competition at 160 .......yes he has.
 
I have to disagree with Merchant (though it's good he's taking shots at someone not named Mayweather). Yes, Chavez came in at 181 but that was after making weight for a middleweight fight so he put himself at a disadvantage with his laziness. A Ward or Bute would be too big at super middleweight for a small middleweight like Martinez, a natural jr middleweight. So when Merchant talks about him challenging himself and moving up, that's what he's been doing since no jr middles will fight him and he's been successful at it.
 
I have to disagree with Merchant (though it's good he's taking shots at someone not named Mayweather). Yes, Chavez came in at 181 but that was after making weight for a middleweight fight so he put himself at a disadvantage with his laziness. A Ward or Bute would be too big at super middleweight for a small middleweight like Martinez, a natural jr middleweight. So when Merchant talks about him challenging himself and moving up, that's what he's been doing since no jr middles will fight him and he's been successful at it.

Man... it ain't even all that. Ward and Bute aren't going to bring in the money of a Chavez, Canelo, Cotto or Mayweather.

Bute is the only one who can say he's close cause he has Canada on his back, but that motherfucker needs to establish himself at his own weight where it's iffy that he can beat a Ward or Dirrel.

I understand the logic behind saying Chavez is bigger than a lot of those 168 guys, but none of those guys are trying to come down like Chavez does or even try a catchweight to meet Martinez. Plus at Martinez' age once he goes up it's going to be harder to come back down for those money fights so it makes sense for dude to stay where he is at when he already has a fight in his division that people want to see and fights that could be made with guys in his old division. If anything the pressure should be on Chavez to get off his ass and make the fight, but HBO and boxing analyst in general, are scared to really go hard and call Top Rank out on its bullshit...
 
Man... it ain't even all that. Ward and Bute aren't going to bring in the money of a Chavez, Canelo, Cotto or Mayweather.

Bute is the only one who can say he's close cause he has Canada on his back, but that motherfucker needs to establish himself at his own weight where it's iffy that he can beat a Ward or Dirrel.

I understand the logic behind saying Chavez is bigger than a lot of those 168 guys, but none of those guys are trying to come down like Chavez does or even try a catchweight to meet Martinez. Plus at Martinez' age once he goes up it's going to be harder to come back down for those money fights so it makes sense for dude to stay where he is at when he already has a fight in his division that people want to see and fights that could be made with guys in his old division. If anything the pressure should be on Chavez to get off his ass and make the fight, but HBO and boxing analyst in general, are scared to really go hard and call Top Rank out on its bullshit...


:yes:
 
the limited competition factor is in play.

i didn't see much special about dude although he is good

to answer the question

in these days and times with the limited competition at 160 .......yes he has.

I agree somewhat about his comp... Williams was asking to get destroyed with his piss-poor defense. Pavlik was a joke that got over on Taylor's "gassed by the 7th round ass". Then you got the stiff Euros, who even with their weaknesses have used good fundamentals to give him problems. I believe someone slicker can easily out point him or with good power can break him down since he uses his face for defense some times. With that being said I don't blame him cause motherfuckers duck him.

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I have to disagree with Merchant (though it's good he's taking shots at someone not named Mayweather). Yes, Chavez came in at 181 but that was after making weight for a middleweight fight so he put himself at a disadvantage with his laziness. A Ward or Bute would be too big at super middleweight for a small middleweight like Martinez, a natural jr middleweight. So when Merchant talks about him challenging himself and moving up, that's what he's been doing since no jr middles will fight him and he's been successful at it.

My problem with his criticism is that it's never leveled where it should be. I haven't heard Merchant say one thing about Manny Pacquiao and Bob Arum's fuckery - the catchweights, refusing to take a blood test, etc....Merchant needs to retire and let Kellerman replace him permanently.
 
My problem with his criticism is that it's never leveled where it should be. I haven't heard Merchant say one thing about Manny Pacquiao and Bob Arum's fuckery - the catchweights, refusing to take a blood test, etc....Merchant needs to retire and let Kellerman replace him permanently.

Kellerman is only slightly better because Top Rank is in a position of power were they can say fuck HBO and move everyone of their guys to Showtime. So HBO is in the game of shitting on Top Rank's enemies for them. It makes no sense to downplay great fighters and not say a world about champion in their divisions who don't want to fight nobody. Chavez's whole set up should be unacceptable, but we get no lengthy statements about the mockery he is making of the sport and the title "champion".

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Kellerman is only slightly better because Top Rank is in a position of power were they can say fuck HBO and move everyone of their guys to Showtime. So HBO is in the game of shitting on Top Rank's enemies for them. It makes no sense to downplay great fighters and not say a world about champion in their divisions who don't want to fight nobody. Chavez's whole set up should be unacceptable, but we get no lengthy statements about the mockery he is making of the sport and the title "champion".

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True but after the Marquez fight Kellerman was the only one who called Top Rank out on their bullshit and the real reason they don't want Manny in the ring against Floyd - they know he'll lose. Seems after that fight we've seen less of Max. Fuck HBO I'm watching these fights on mute now or getting a SKY sports stream from Britain. Lampley makes me sick, Merchant is getting dementia and Steward is there just to co-sign everything they say and make them look like they know wtf they are talking about.:smh:
 
that shit hasn't worked too well for him outside of 147 where he doesn't
have the reach advantage and the punches don't phase 160lb fighters.

:hmm:
Not true.

He lost one fight (Martinez) and was gifted another (Lara) but he's been as successful above 147 as he was at 147.
 
My problem with his criticism is that it's never leveled where it should be. I haven't heard Merchant say one thing about Manny Pacquiao and Bob Arum's fuckery - the catchweights, refusing to take a blood test, etc....Merchant needs to retire and let Kellerman replace him permanently.

I've been waiting for his retirement for at least 5 yrs. I thought when they brought Max on, his time was up but he's still there. How long is his contract?
 
i hate most of today's fighters:smh:...no one wants to fight nobody man:angry:....they're prolly waiting for sergio to slow or fall off significantly before they get into the ring with him...honestly i think sergio should just go ahead and avenge the other loss in his career (and only ko loss to date) against margarito..at least get him a high payday and a glorified sparring session to keep busy
 
i hate most of today's fighters:smh:...no one wants to fight nobody man:angry:....they're prolly waiting for sergio to slow or fall off significantly before they get into the ring with him...honestly i think sergio should just go ahead and avenge the other loss in his career (and only ko loss to date) against margarito..at least get him a high payday and a glorified sparring session to keep busy

Haha.... Fuck Margarito. I call bullshit on his whole career. Anyone who lost to that cheating bum are given a pass in my book.

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