Sirius XM Preparing Bankruptcy Papers...

sirus would be a good buy for at&t...

yes, karamizin is the problem... he paid howard stern too much because they are boys... he wont monetize the outstanding 20million unsubscribed units... they are setting the price point too high for the average consumer...

remember karamizin is old school viacom fool... he is al about locking up his market share. what he doesnt understand is that number of subscribers is way more important at this point that gross revenue...

the more subscribers... the better chance of courting a buyer or finacning... revenue is good, but in the media market... number of listeners is king.

XM was first, they set the price. Sirius overtook XM for one reason, Howard Stern. Like him or not, he brings in subscribers.

I'm not going to pretend to understand the satellite radio business but is seems to me that you will initially incur huge debt because of the satellites that have to be launched and other related hardware. From what I have read, nothing really indicates that their prices are too high, just that they have to refinance their debt.
 
here is the wash.... sirus will be profitable in 3 years if they get rid of karamzin...

sirus has 8million suscribers...
another 20 million unsubscribed units in cars that arent willing to pay the high price point...

they need to lower the suscription and get thos other 20million signed up...

that would be almost 30million subscribers...

SiriusXM already has 20 Million subscribers since the merger...
sirus would be a good buy for at&t...

yes, karamizin is the problem... he paid howard stern too much because they are boys... he wont monetize the outstanding 20million unsubscribed units... they are setting the price point too high for the average consumer...

remember karamizin is old school viacom fool... he is al about locking up his market share. what he doesnt understand is that number of subscribers is way more important at this point that gross revenue...

the more subscribers... the better chance of courting a buyer or finacning... revenue is good, but in the media market... number of listeners is king.

Howard was hired by Sirius about a year BEFORE Karmazin came to Sirius...
 
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Dude.... karamizin recruited stern and in turn stern only agreed to the flip to statalite if karamizon was brought on to run the company...

Call it what you want.... karamizin hire stern. they boys from way back...

A reader named Brett from Califon, N.J. responds to The Wall Street Journal's Martin Peers column, "HEARD ON THE STREET: Sirius About Staying Aloft":

I am a Sirius (SIU.AU) shareholder who would be fully in support of Mr. Charlie Ergen finding a way to convert some of his recently acquired bond holdings into common shares, even if it risks some dilution to common shareholders.
The company badly needs an influence that unlocks the value inherent in the company's shares through a modern business plan. Mel Karmazin has been unable to think outside the box that the merged Sirius XM put itself into which is a highly leveraged, high fixed-cost business, facing a weakening economy that can no longer rely on growth in auto sales or sales of aftermarket radios.
While Sirius XM has an installed base of roughly 8.6 million paying subscribers, it is the installed base of satellite radios which are not turned on that represents the opportunity for growth and profitability. This number of radios which the company has subsidized over the years, depending on the estimates, may be as high as 6.5 million. It's time someone who understands value comes in and takes advantage of this capital investment the company has already made.
In my opinion, if the company simply allocated a total of 5 stations from its pay spectrum for free distribution (One each for News, classic rock, contemporary rock, country and talk radio) and sold advertising like traditional terrestrial radio does, it would virtually overnight create a large national footprinted group of stations that would be quickly cash flow positive, technologically feasible with Sirius's installed technology, and, in my opinion, not predatory on its existing pay business.
There are two realities to Sirius's business. The first is that the company has a huge untapped asset in its installed-but-not-turned-on radios and the second is that an overpaid management team that won't evolve will run it into bankruptcy.

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Here's the original column:
By Martin Peers
A Dow Jones Column

Mel Karmazin undoubtedly hasn't forgotten the four tumultuous years he spent shacked up at Viacom with Sumner Redstone. So it's a good bet the CEO of Sirius XM Radio doesn't fancy the prospect of working for another strong-willed mogul: Charlie Ergen.
For that reason alone Mr. Karmazin is sure to spend the next 10 days searching high and low for $175 million he needs to pay off bonds held by Mr. Ergen's Echostar Technologies. Otherwise he faces the prospect of Echostar trying to muscle its way to at least partial control of Sirius.
Don't bet against Mr. Karmazin. Beneath the roughly $3.2 billion of debt now dragging the satellite radio company back to earth lies a decent business with around 19 million subscribers. Cost cuts flowing from last summer's merger of Sirius and XM should take the company nearer to profitability - although the recession will hardly help.
Sirius could prove attractive to companies like Verizon or AT&T, both of which have national wireless footprints that might dovetail with a satellite-radio service. Liberty Media could also be sniffing around.
Still, Sirius needs serious money. Leaving aside next week's bond maturity, the company has $350 million in bank debt due in May and another $400 million in bonds due in December. Without the means to deal with those maturities, paying off next week's bonds only buys a little time.
One thing is sure. Having sunk $2.7 million into Sirius stock just last August, Mr. Karmazin will be keen to avoid a Sirius bankruptcy filing. If he has to yield to Mr. Ergen to avoid that, he likely will. Then Wall Street can settle in for a new clash on the corporate airwaves.

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they gonna have to run commercials just like regular radio and cats who are paying for this shit gonna be hella mad. Just dowload your favorite shows from the net for free.
 
Dude.... karamizin recruited stern and in turn stern only agreed to the flip to statalite if karamizon was brought on to run the company...

Call it what you want.... karamizin hire stern. they boys from way back...

Call it what you want, but Karmazin would have never hired Stern for 500 million. I know they are boys from way back, so i have no doubt that Howard was instrumental in bringing Mel to Sirius. But Mel is well known to be cheap, thats why he was so successful in regular radio. Hell, he's even been on Howard's show talking about bringing him back at a discount. Howard didn't want to hear anything about that. Howard even said on the show today that he would not take a penny less if it would help the company...
 
Call it what you want, but Karmazin would have never hired Stern for 500 million. I know they are boys from way back, so i have no doubt that Howard was instrumental in bringing Mel to Sirius. But Mel is well known to be cheap, thats why he was so successful in regular radio. Hell, he's even been on Howard's show talking about bringing him back at a discount. Howard didn't want to hear anything about that. Howard even said on the show today that he would not take a penny less if it would help the company...

COSIGN

without Karmazin Sirius and XM would not have united.

as for new subscribers it is hard cause cars are really not selling.

bellsbreaker sound like he is a disgruntled employee on the chopping block.
 
http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-karmazin-gets-sirius-deal-done-with-liberty-not-ergen/

BREAKING: Sirius Takes Investment From Liberty, Not EchoStar
from paidContent.org by Rory Maher

Liberty Media (NSDQ: LINTA) has reached a deal to invest $530 million in Sirius XM, ending weeks of speculation over whether Liberty or EchoStar would emerge as Sirius' white knight. The deal allows Sirius, which has been bogged down with debt problems, to avoid bankruptcy (at least for now). The investment will come in the form of loans and preferred stock convertible into 40 percent of Sirius common stock.

The deal calls for investments in two phases:

—First, a $280 million senior secured loan with a 15 percent interest rate will be issued to Sirius today. Of that, $171.6 million will be used by Sirius to repay a loan to EchoStar (NSDQ: SATS). The remaining funds will be used for everyday operations.

—Second, a $150 million loan will be given to Sirius through its wholly owned XM subsidiary; Sirius will get an additional $100 million loan to re-pay debt outstanding from its existing credit facility.

Sirius shares will likely jump on the news. Malone makes the investment without gaining control of Sirius (though he does get seats on the board), underscoring his confidence in satellite radio as a standalone business.

Sirius was forced to do the deal with Liberty because it had nearly $200 million in debt due today that it could not repay and an additional $400 million due in December of this year. The investment from John Malone's Liberty enables the company to re-pay the debt due today and provides it with cash to put toward the debt due in December.

Speculation has been swirling the past couple of weeks about whether Sirius would be forced into bankruptcy or find a last-minute investor to provide it with some cash and breathing room to deal with its debt issues. Charlie Ergen, who controls Echostar, first emerged as the most likely investor, having bought Sirius debt in recent weeks; he simultaneously was trying to come to a separate deal that involved a cash investment in Sirius (NSDQ: SIRI). But late last week Malone came into the picture. Though many people speculated that Malone's involvement was simply a ploy by Sirius CEO Mel Karmazin to gain negotiating leverage with Ergen, the talks were obviously real.
 
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There won't be any bankruptcy!

Sirius XM Radio Avoids Bankruptcy

By Cecilia Kang
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 17, 2009; 10:02 AM

Liberty Media has agreed to loan Sirius XM Radio $530 million to help save the satellite radio provider from bankruptcy.

Liberty Media, which owns DirecTV, and Sirius said in a news release that the loan will go to paying $175 million in debt that comes due for Sirius today. The remainder of funds will be used to pay other debts coming due in May and at the end of the year, and for general working capital to run the satellite radio business.

In exchange, Liberty will receive 40 percent of Sirius's common stock and get seats on Sirius's board of directors. Liberty Chairman John Malone and chief executive Greg Maffei are expected to take those seats. Liberty Media, based in Englewood, Colo., owns several television media entities including QVC and Discovery.

"We are excited to be investing in SIRIUS XM. We have been impressed with the company, its operations and management team," Maffei said in a release. "SIRIUS XM's ability to grow subscribers and revenue in a difficult financial and auto market is indicative of how listeners view this as a 'must have' service."

The last-minute deal with Liberty will help Sirius pay off some of its heavy debt burden while also retaining management control. Sirius had said that if it could not find an investor, it would be forced to file for bankruptcy. The company has another $350 million in debt due in May and a total debt of $3.2 billion.

A group of creditors said yesterday that if the company filed for bankruptcy, they probably would oust Sirius chief executive Mel Karmazin, who they felt was not acting in shareholders' best interests. Since the New York-based company's merger with District-based XM last July, Sirius XM stock has plummeted from about $3.80 to pennies per share, closing last Friday at 10 cents a share.

"We are pleased to have come to this agreement with Liberty Media, particularly in light of today's challenging credit markets," Karmazin said in the release. "This agreement enables Sirius XM to continue to develop the opportunities first outlined in the merger of Sirius and XM. By strengthening our capital structure and enhancing our financial flexibility, this investment allows us to continue providing the great content and innovative programming our subscribers know and love."

Sirius has never turned a profit and has heavy costs associated with its deals for talent, including shock jock Howard Stern, who is paid $100 million a year for his Sirius show. The company's biggest assets are its 20 million radio subscribers and nearly $2 billion in annual revenue.

In the deal, Liberty will give the company $250 million, most of which will be used to pay bond debt that matures today. The rest will go to "general corporate purposes," including transaction costs and working capital. The company agreed to pay back Liberty's loan in December 2012. The loan carries a 15 percent interest rate.

Liberty will provide a second phase of $150 million in loans later. It has also agreed to buy up to $100 million in additional Sirius debt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2009021700928.html?wprss=rss_business/economy
 
this is what i am hoping as i am heavily invested and have taken a beating in the last 18 months.

but with the economy the way it is echostar may just say fuck it and write off the loss. that is what i don't want to happen.

also keep in mind that much of sirius xm's sales/profits come from pre-activated subscriptions in new cars. and we all know that cars are not selling for a number or reasons....


why didnt you sell to cover what you had and reinvest it?
 
The whole idea of paying to listen to the radio is not an idea that can be sold on me.
1)am not in a position to listen to the radio that much/nor do i want to.
2)i have too much music in my possession
3)too much clowns in media with too much to say,which am not interested in hearing,id rather think for myself on a host of subject matters.
 
y'all hush.



NEW YORK — Liberty Media Corp. will invest $530 million in Sirius XM Radio Inc., fending off a likely bankruptcy for the satellite radio company and blocking a bid by a rival, Dish Network Corp. CEO Charlie Ergen, to take control of Sirius.

Sirius had warned it could file for bankruptcy as early as Tuesday if it could not successfully negotiate with its debt holders. Sirius XM Radio has 20 million subscribers who use the service to listen to sports, music and talk, including Howard Stern's show.

Ergen holds much of the batch of debt that had come due Tuesday and had offered capital infusions and a restructuring of the loans in return for control of the company. Sirius Chief Executive Mel Karmazin rejected that offer and appears to have found an alternative in time to stave off a Chapter 11 filing.

Sirius shares were up 7 cents, or 69 percent, at 18 cents in morning trading.

As part of the deal announced Tuesday, Liberty will provide a $280 million senior secured loan to Sirius, $250 million of which will be funded on Tuesday. Sirius will use the proceeds of the loan to repay $171.6 million of its maturing 2.5 percent convertible notes that had been due. The rest will be used for general corporate purposes.

The loan from Liberty bears a 15 percent interest rate and matures in December 2012.

The second phase of Liberty's investment provides another loan of $150 million to Sirius XM. Liberty has also agreed to offer to buy up to $100 million of the loans outstanding under Sirius XM's existing credit facilities.

In exchange, Liberty will get 12.5 million shares of preferred stock convertible into 40 percent of Sirius' common shares, and two seats on the company's board. The company said it expects Liberty Chairman John Malone and President and Chief Executive Greg Maffei to join the board of Sirius.

it was planned all along.
 
good..I turned away from commercial radio over a year ago and haven't looked back.

I enjoy it b/c I hear music that I haven't heard in years and can listen to footy (soccer) games when i can't watch them.
 
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^^^ You're not suggesting this as a good trade are you? :smh:

Take it from an insider, you do't even begin to understand the overhwelming amounts of debt they have - but more importantly how much they have to split the profit and revenue share:

People who get a piece of every subscriber dollar upfront before EBITDA.

- GM
- Sony
- Honda
- OnStar

and Sony and GM get SIZEABLE chunks.
 
^^^ You're not suggesting this as a good trade are you? :smh:

Take it from an insider, you do't even begin to understand the overhwelming amounts of debt they have - but more importantly how much they have to split the profit and revenue share:

People who get a piece of every subscriber dollar upfront before EBITDA.

- GM
- Sony
- Honda
- OnStar

and Sony and GM get SIZEABLE chunks.

if u got in at .10 cents.....
:)
 
Actually, that "lock in deal" was probably still the best move I remember they were offering something like a $500 lifetime deal at one point (you were only responsible for hardware). Wish i would have jumped on that. The will still be around as a company, this move will just devalue the hell out of them and their stock.

theres a glitch that gives you free lifetime service with Sirius all you have to do is unplug/disconnect the power from your receiver/radio before you cancel and after you cancel leave it unplugged/disconnected for 3 months after four months connect the power back and you should have free Sirius radio for life. I have done this to four radios and one portable radio and haven't pad for Sirius since 2001:D
 
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up 10% as of this post
i think closed at .816, not sure of after hours

yeah if you bought it last year you're killing
 
I am about to lose mad cash..... :angry:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/technology/companies/11radio.html

Sirius XM Satellite Radio has been working with advisers to prepare for a possible bankruptcy filing in a move that could put pressure on the satellite company EchoStar, which owns a substantial amount of the company’s debt.

Sirius XM Radio Inc.Sirius has been working with the restructuring expert Joseph A. Bondi of Alvarez & Marsal and the bankruptcy lawyer Mark Thompson of Simpson, Thatcher & Bartlett to help prepare a Chapter 11 filing, people close to the company said. The documents and analysis are close to being completed and a filing could come within days, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Sirius, whose radio stars include the popular shock jock Howard Stern, has also been working with the investment bank Evercore Partners.

Charles Ergen, who controls a satellite-television empire including the Dish Network Corporation and EchoStar, recently acquired the majority of a $300 million tranche of Sirius debt that matures next Tuesday.

Since the news about the debt purchase has emerged, questions have surfaced over whether Mr. Ergen will make a bid to purchase Sirius. The threat of a possible bankruptcy filing could force Mr. Ergen to make a formal offer for the company now if he doesn’t want to go through an auction in bankruptcy court.

It could also compel Mr. Ergen to agree to convert his debt into an ownership stake in Sirius at a higher price than he originally considered.
those are the cream of the crop firms.

A&M is the reason i want to get my JD/MBA from Northwestern
 
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looks like de-listing is not going to happen

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I'm just curious but what intrigued you guys to buy stock into Sirius XM? Isn't tha the reason they merged because each company didn't jump off like it was suppose to? I just don't see the consumer paying for radio and when someone is trying to cut costs of living i'd imagine satellite radio is the 1st thing to go.
 
I'm just curious but what intrigued you guys to buy stock into Sirius XM? Isn't tha the reason they merged because each company didn't jump off like it was suppose to? I just don't see the consumer paying for radio and when someone is trying to cut costs of living i'd imagine satellite radio is the 1st thing to go.

Actually, when times are hard, people like to indulge in small luxuries. They may not buy that new car, but they'll upgrade the old one.
 
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