Single BW complains about Michelle Obama being too supportive of Barack

At this point all that existential mumbo jumbo doesn't mean jack to me.

Ignorance is a mantle quickly worn by those who would rather hide beneath its shadow. (rather than examining the weakness within themselves)

The reality that we're dealing with here is the overwhelming animosity that masquerades as dialogue and debate on this board amongst us regardless of gender or political/religious affiliation.

As a people we should be able to suck it up and keep it moving after making whatever point we feel the need to make.

I don't drop commentary on here to be recognized or co-signed by anybody so I could really care less whether the points I make are appreciated or not.

And not everyone who claims to believe in black-on-black love is actually down for the cause. (No matter how sincere or earnest they may seem)

I just call it as I see it and let the chips fall where they may.

That's true

It would mean more if everyone meant what they said and said what they meant, but hey, that is people in general.

Not everyone is what they claim to be, but hope that they will soon turn the corner and make that change...

...

but as it is said about hope in one hand and shit in the other :lol:

Continue being you brother

I also like that werewolf in your sig... you have the original pic?
 
Dude manned up and apologized. i dunno what more ya'll want from him.... self induced coma? exile? :dunno: the point is he realized he was wrong in his assumption and sought to correct his mistake. unlike that brawd in the other thread about single fathers...............

They want Laughing Man's head on a stick no doubt.

Dude apologized for his error but it still wasn't enough for some.
 
That's true

It would mean more if everyone meant what they said and said what they meant, but hey, that is people in general.

Not everyone is what they claim to be, but hope that they will soon turn the corner and make that change...

...

but as it is said about hope in one hand and shit in the other :lol:

Continue being you brother

I also like that werewolf in your sig... you have the original pic?

Peace bro,

Yes I do have the original pic.
 
White sociologists have been ripping the black family apart for over a century, before you dispute do your own research instead of disagreeing. The white feminist movement especially is part and parcel of the machine to destroy the black family. Their main aim is and has always been to neuter the black family

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I was agreeing with you I just shook my head in disgust at how voluntarily ignorant the people you describe seem to be.
 
Bringing this thread back to some semblance of order shouldn't be that hard especially when one bears in mind the overall animosity that just thrives beneath the surface of black-on-black relationships.

The fact remains that the author of this article had an agenda which was two fold in nature.

Firstly we'll look at the feminist mindset behind the article in itself.

The author kept on hammering on about the fact that Michelle Obama is a highly educated intellectual with professional credentials on par with those of her husband.

As far as the author is concerned, Michelle has willingly put her career on the back burner to give Barack an opportunity to keep doing what he's doing as regards being the POTUS.

Going by what the author is saying, you'd get the impression that Obama has forced Michelle into a subservient role so as to pursue his own career ambitions and in this, he has (in the eyes of the author) relegated Michelle to the level of 2nd class within their partnership.

To most feminists, this is not an acceptable juxtaposition of roles as far as they're concerned.

To most of them, a woman can do just as well as a man in this sort of situation but what the author fails or chooses not to recognize is the fact that it was Barack and not Michelle that was running for office.

In addition to this, she makes the same warped assumption that some of these militant feminists make as regards the true essence of marriage and what it means for both partners in the union.

A real marriage is based upon a more or less, symbiotic relationship between husband and wife with each partner playing a complimentary role to the other based upon love, respect and mutual affection.

Michelle has been (and still remains) supportive of her husbands mission because it enhances and empowers her as a woman and symbol of what can be achieved when a married couple work together towards the greater good of their union.

This in no way, makes Michelle Obama subservient towards her husband but actually makes her a co-partner in his overall success.

Anyone who thinks that Michelle Obama is just sitting back being a shrinking violet obviously has no real clue as to what married life is all about.

Michelle is the one person who Obama can really confide in when the chips are down and as such, she plays an invaluable role within the administration which cannot be overemphasized.

Secondly, there's the race issue.

There still remains a sizable number of whites (and some ignorant blacks and other ethnicities) who were quite happy with the status quo that obtained pre-Obama.

They're not happy with the fact that we now have a Black First Family residing within the most prestigious and powerful landmark on the planet because this challenges all of their preconceived notions and justifications for procrastination and acceptance of a lower status in life.

Prejudiced whites now find it a little bit harder to peddle their false doctrine of black inferiority in the face of Baracks success and the fact that he's married to a black woman serves as a symbol to the emotionally disenfranchised amongst us that it is indeed possible to find a good marriage partner of the same race to build a strong, viable family unit with.

Negative blacks as well as prejudiced whites hate this because they no longer have any cover of ignorance to hide beneath and shit scares them to death.

A lot of us have been conditioned to expect the worst from each other and this is clearly evidenced by the amount of vitriol and misdirection that usually plague many of our posts when subjects of this nature arise.

We collectively have to really start moving away from this self-hating and destructive way of interacting before it becomes to late and we need to do this fast.

As far as this thread goes, Laughing Man the thread starter, has recognized and apologized for his error with the thread title and that should be enough for any reasonable person. If there's a way that a mod can edit the title then that option should be explored.

As for the heads that are still dissing black women for no good reason, I'd respectfully request that you seize and desist.

It's clear that the author of this article is white and as such, y'all are making yourselves look like idiots by continuously putting sistas in the frame when no foul has been committed in this instance.

For anyone else, it is what it is so carry on regardless as the spirit takes you.

Peace.


The ethnic background of the author may be somewhat immaterial, given the nature of the ideology she is promoting. Women of all colors have grown to embrace this way of thinking, and they are exploring life's other options on a grander scale than ever before.

This is especially true of educated women, with professional careers. Note the reference to Michelle being upset with Barack when she became forced to assume a more traditional role in the family. In Barack's words, tensions escalated between them.

My point is this, there is a sisterhood that can (and does) transcend race lines. Not all women are hating on other women. Many are finding common ground, and they are united in their effort to preserve the ideals this author is expounding -- that of indpendence and self-sufficiency.

And I think men, honestly, are revealing their insecurities about how big a movement this has become. They are too often attacking it, rather than accepting it for what it is. What they really need to do, is learn how to work with it and win their way back into a woman's good graces. Constantly bitching and complaining about it only widens the divide, and makes a woman hunker down even more.

Michelle and Barack had to work their way through the issues that could have divided them, to get where they are today. This could have imploded long before they'd ever reached their current level of success. Now they complement one another in a way that makes neither subservient or less important. They are truly partners (and she is not a typical housewife in any sense of the word).

What's the real lesson to learned from them? Are the skills and aptitude they needed to make it work for them transferrable? Can men and women find ways to work together, perservere through thick and thin; or are we destined to contiue to watch the divorce rate soar, along with same-sex relationships and/or single motherhood?

And please don't tell me you've been emasculated by anything other than your own choice of allowing it to happen -- if indeed you feel it has happened!
 
The ethnic background of the author may be somewhat immaterial, given the nature of the ideology she is promoting. Women of all colors have grown to embrace this way of thinking, and they are exploring life's other options on a grander scale than ever before.

This is especially true of educated women, with professional careers. Note the reference to Michelle being upset with Barack when she became forced to assume a more traditional role in the family. In Barack's words, tensions escalated between them.

My point is this, there is a sisterhood that can (and does) transcend race lines. Not all women are hating on other women. Many are finding common ground, and they are united in their effort to preserve the ideals this author is expounding -- that of indpendence and self-sufficiency.

And I think men, honestly, are revealing their insecurities about how big a movement this has become. They are too often attacking it, rather than accepting it for what it is. What they really need to do, is learn how to work with it and win their way back into a woman's good graces. Constantly bitching and complaining about it only widens the divide, and makes a woman hunker down even more.

Michelle and Barack had to work their way through the issues that could have divided them, to get where they are today. This could have imploded long before they'd ever reached their current level of success. Now they complement one another in a way that makes neither subservient or less important. They are truly partners (and she is not a typical housewife in any sense of the word).

What's the real lesson to learned from them? Are the skills and aptitude they needed to make it work for them transferrable? Can men and women find ways to work together, perservere through thick and thin; or are we destined to contiue to watch the divorce rate soar, along with same-sex relationships and/or single motherhood?

And please don't tell me you've been emasculated by anything other than your own choice of allowing it to happen -- if indeed you feel it has happened!

was previously said, but will be said again and continued until you submit proof otherwise

As long as you also remember

Not a single, Nubian woman, has said, two wrong words, about Michelle's role, at all.

This is all the others. The thread misrepresented... a lot.

In this
not a Nubian
-single
-married
-with children
-without child
-straight or homosexual
-and Oprah

hasn't said anything, at all, against her.

Unless you can refute this, by showing where a column has been prepared by a Nubian woman on Michelle Obama's role in support of her husband. this is a moot point and no points could be made in a thread which states

Single BW complains about Michelle Obama being too supportive of Barack

Which in itself was refuted and poster apologize for the action due to the falsehood of its premise.

where NO Nubian woman at all has mentioned this in syndication.

fact for fact unless proven otherwise
 
The ethnic background of the author may be somewhat immaterial, given the nature of the ideology she is promoting. Women of all colors have grown to embrace this way of thinking, and they are exploring life's other options on a grander scale than ever before.

The ethnic background o the author in question is anything but immaterial and to suggest otherwise is to be somewhat naive at best or knowingly disingenuous at worst.

The ideology that fueled the thrust and premise of her diatribe are fully rooted within the perniciously misplaced militancy that lies at the core of the feminist movement like a malignant cancer.

No one in their right mind would seek to prevent women from exploring whatever career and educational options they wished to but going by the rhetoric espoused by some of the more rabid feminists, you'd be under the impression that men as a whole, seek to keep all women perpetually down.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

This is especially true of educated women, with professional careers. Note the reference to Michelle being upset with Barack when she became forced to assume a more traditional role in the family. In Barack's words, tensions escalated between them.

That's all dependent on what you personally perceive as being the "traditional role" in the family.

You cannot have two leaders co-captaining a ship and if indeed, Michelle was aggrieved at having to assume a more "traditional" role then she would have been more that able to exit stage left from the relationship. Any tensions that may have built up between herself and Barack would have been no different to tensions experienced by married couples all over the world.

My point is this, there is a sisterhood that can (and does) transcend race lines. Not all women are hating on other women. Many are finding common ground, and they are united in their effort to preserve the ideals this author is expounding -- that of indipendence and self-sufficiency.

Once again, the ideas that this author expounds upon are neither honest or open in their approach to observing and understanding what the true nature of the man/woman dynamic is within marriage.

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that the main ingredients that go into making a marriage work are, respect, affection, perseverance, acceptance and compromise.

Without each partner being willing and able to put ego to the side and actively engage supporting each other, there is no basis for the relationship to stand on solid ground and we all know what happens when you build a house on quicksand.

Husbands and wives curtail their independent urges and subsume them for the betterment and coalescing of their union into one synergistic component for the sole purpose of building something lasting and fruitful thus becoming something greater than they would be as singular entities.

And I think men, honestly, are revealing their insecurities about how big a movement this has become. They are too often attacking it, rather than accepting it for what it is. What they really need to do, is learn how to work with it and win their way back into a woman's good graces. Constantly bitching and complaining about it only widens the divide, and makes a woman hunker down even more.

And based on your above stated assumption, it's patently clear that you're very adept at trying to engage in self-serving fantasy generation to support a movement that's as discredited as it's been ineffectual in actually effecting any positive change in the human condition.

Feminism is just like any Western creation for western people who have nothing better to do with their time than coming up with ever more dementedly neurotic ways of destroying the natural order of things with their patented and packaged "isms".

Michelle and Barack had to work their way through the issues that could have divided them, to get where they are today. This could have imploded long before they'd ever reached their current level of success. Now they complement one another in a way that makes neither subservient or less important. They are truly partners (and she is not a typical housewife in any sense of the word).

Working together for the greater good of the whole is what makes marriage work and as such, should be expected and par the course.

Subservience doesn't come into it unless there's a major dysfunction at the core of the relationship or a failure to recognize the important role that each partner plays in the marriage relationship.

What's the real lesson to learned from them? Are the skills and aptitude they needed to make it work for them transferrable? Can men and women find ways to work together, perservere through thick and thin; or are we destined to contiue to watch the divorce rate soar, along with same-sex relationships and/or single motherhood?

Men and women have been doing all of this since the dawn of creation and I daresay they'll be doing the same well beyond either one of our lifespans.

And please don't tell me you've been emasculated by anything other than your own choice of allowing it to happen -- if indeed you feel it has happened!

Not sure where and how emasculation came into play here or why you've seen fit to mention it but hey, if leaning on that crutch is your thing to elicit an emotional response from moi, lean on.
 
How is it possible that your wife is too supportive????

not making sense to me

On top of that who the fuck isn't playing second fiddle to who's supposed to be the most powerful man in the world? Bitch is to herself. This is the type of woman you need to avoid.
 
The ethnic background o the author in question is anything but immaterial and to suggest otherwise is to be somewhat naive at best or knowingly disingenuous at worst.
I see an assertion and an insult, but no corroborating evidence or explanation to back it up. If I am to be enlightened, you'll need to do better.

The ideology that fueled the thrust and premise of her diatribe are fully rooted within the perniciously misplaced militancy that lies at the core of the feminist movement like a malignant cancer.

Not all feminists are militant, and your contention about "...perniciously misplaced..." resonates with as much militancy and anger as the militant feminists. So now you've hunkered down into a more hardened position, and in response they (women in general)will,too.


No one in their right mind would seek to prevent women from exploring whatever career and educational options they wished to but going by the rhetoric espoused by some of the more rabid feminists, you'd be under the impression that men as a whole, seek to keep all women perpetually down.

It's more expansive than career and educational aspirations. For some, it's about proving I don't need a man for anything. And whether you like it or not, the growing incidence of single females, the unimaginably high divorce rate, the general tone and mood of catty divisiveness between men and women (much of which is in evidence on this board), provides something to think about. Some women are simply frustrated with men not pitching in with house chores, child rearing, cooking and all the other mundane things that matter to them in a healthy relationship. And they are neither rabid nor militant feminists -- just people who want to see an equitable sharing of responsibilities. And lastly, you're assuming everybody is in their "right mind," whatever that happens to mean.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Whose truth?


That's all dependent on what you personally perceive as being the "traditional role" in the family.

You cannot have two leaders co-captaining a ship and if indeed, Michelle was aggrieved at having to assume a more "traditional" role then she would have been more that able to exit stage left from the relationship. Any tensions that may have built up between herself and Barack would have been no different to tensions experienced by married couples all over the world.

I don't agree a marriage is even remotely like a ship. BTW-- sports teams commonly have co-captains. And yes, couples have all sorts of tensions. But this particular tension had to do with Barack not helping out more around the house and with child rearing. His words, explicitly said by him. Would you have preferred she did exit stage left? If so, can I call you a militant feminist?

Once again, the ideas that this author expounds upon are neither honest or open in their approach to observing and understanding what the true nature of the man/woman dynamic is within marriage.

Where does this "true nature of the man/woman dynamic" come from? It's etched in cement where?

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that the main ingredients that go into making a marriage work are, respect, affection, perseverance, acceptance and compromise.

According to the divorce rate, this happens slightly less than 50% of the time. Are you going to tell all those people they have less than an ounce of intelligence? Can I watch when you do?

Without each partner being willing and able to put ego to the side and actively engage supporting each other, there is no basis for the relationship to stand on solid ground and we all know what happens when you build a house on quicksand.

Husbands and wives curtail their independent urges and subsume them for the betterment and coalescing of their union into one synergistic component for the sole purpose of building something lasting and fruitful thus becoming something greater than they would be as singular entities.

In a perfect world...


And based on your above stated assumption, it's patently clear that you're very adept at trying to engage in self-serving fantasy generation to support a movement that's as discredited as it's been ineffectual in actually effecting any positive change in the human condition.

Again, etched in cement where? I respect that you have an opinion, but I think it is patently clear this opinion is not universally shared. Trust me, the current state of the human condition, as it pertains to this particular set of dynamics, is not my fantasy.

Feminism is just like any Western creation for western people who have nothing better to do with their time than coming up with ever more dementedly neurotic ways of destroying the natural order of things with their patented and packaged "isms".

What makes you so learned asbout the natural order of things? Are you God incognito?

Working together for the greater good of the whole is what makes marriage work and as such, should be expected and par the course.

Subservience doesn't come into it unless there's a major dysfunction at the core of the relationship or a failure to recognize the important role that each partner plays in the marriage relationship.

Which is why so many men on this board opine about a woman who can cook and clean and generally keep the household in order.


Men and women have been doing all of this since the dawn of creation and I daresay they'll be doing the same well beyond either one of our lifespans.




Not sure where and how emasculation came into play here or why you've seen fit to mention it but hey, if leaning on that crutch is your thing to elicit an emotional response from moi, lean on.

It was a reference to other posts where men complained about the media emasculating them. Thought I'd throw in a pet peeve while I had the chance.

This response was full of emotionally-charged and inflammatory language. It went along way toward proving my point about men being insecure over how big this movement has become. Just want to say thanks for that.
 


It was a reference to other posts where men complained about the media emasculating them. Thought I'd throw in a pet peeve while I had the chance.

This response was full of emotionally-charged and inflammatory language. It went along way toward proving my point about men being insecure over how big this movement has become. Just want to say thanks for that.


You need to go back to the lab to concoct another one of your psycho-babble laden attempts at misdirection because your feeble reverse psychology techniques are wasted on me.


Next!
:yes:
 
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It was a reference to other posts where men complained about the media emasculating them. Thought I'd throw in a pet peeve while I had the chance.

This response was full of emotionally-charged and inflammatory language. It went along way toward proving my point about men being insecure over how big this movement has become. Just want to say thanks for that.


dude.... did we both read the same response? :confused:

in the words of me........ GTFO!
 
:lol: I feel you man..... it really is pathetic :smh:

All it was is a crazy ass article from last year that reads more like the ravings of a deluded chick with way too much time on her hands and this Patience54 nut comes in here spewing all this feminist manifesto kumbaya shit she/he's so fond of spouting at the drop of a hat.

Barack and Michelle complement each other perfectly and for that, I'm proud and happy.

Don't know why so many motherfuckers feel the need to over analyze their relationship and it's "effect" on the black community.

Sheeeeeeeeeit!
 
Damn! is Patience54 a guy? :eek::eek::eek:

darkninja7000, don't even sweat it mayn.

At this point most of us are growing wiser to the jedi mind tricks some of these jokers try to run in here. :lol:

I'm willing to look at something from all angles and develop an informed opinion from that.

Let me make note of one thing: I've never once attacked you personally. It serves no constructive purpose. I've merely tried to prod you into thinking more fully and deeply about your opinions, to back them with rational arguments, and to present them in a manner that shows you're capable of objectivity (and maybe another quaint human quality called empathy) -- that is, not being hijacked by your emotions.

For someone who wants to preach about the value of respect and compromise and blah, blah, blah, this type of repsonse shows a glaring absence of these qualities.

Let me ask you this: are you married, have you ever been married? What's your track record?
 
SHE IS WHITE YOU NON READING BASTARDS DAMN




:hmm:

I know, but you have to understand members on here can't let an opportunity to shit on black women go by, I'm guilty of it myself.

If black women would change, people wouldn't be so quick to throw to them to dogs..
 
I'm willing to look at something from all angles and develop an informed opinion from that.

Let me make note of one thing: I've never once attacked you personally. It serves no constructive purpose. I've merely tried to prod you into thinking more fully and deeply about your opinions, to back them with rational arguments, and to present them in a manner that shows you're capable of objectivity (and maybe another quaint human quality called empathy) -- that is, not being hijacked by your emotions.

For someone who wants to preach about the value of respect and compromise and blah, blah, blah, this type of repsonse shows a glaring absence of these qualities.

Let me ask you this: are you married, have you ever been married? What's your track record?

:lol: damn i love BGOL.
 
I'm willing to look at something from all angles and develop an informed opinion from that.

Let me make note of one thing: I've never once attacked you personally. It serves no constructive purpose. I've merely tried to prod you into thinking more fully and deeply about your opinions, to back them with rational arguments, and to present them in a manner that shows you're capable of objectivity (and maybe another quaint human quality called empathy) -- that is, not being hijacked by your emotions.

For someone who wants to preach about the value of respect and compromise and blah, blah, blah, this type of repsonse shows a glaring absence of these qualities.

Let me ask you this: are you married, have you ever been married? What's your track record?


I don't normally make a habit of attacking people but something about your way of insinuating that any man who see's things differently to yourself feels "threatened" in some way really makes me perceive you as someone who's insufferably arrogant and devoid of the ability to be as empathic as you would like others to be to your point of view.

In my book respect is earned and so far, you've done nothing to engender any respectful feelings from me towards you or your viewpoints.

If you are indeed interested in gaining greater understanding and thus forming clearer opinions then just drop the scales from your eyes and really take a look at what's really going on in this crazy world.

Maybe then you'll be able to have a clearer appreciation as to why so many of us are sick and tired of being bamboozled by the "isms" of the white man and the sermons of his sycophants.

My being marital status has no bearing on this subject so I see no reason as to why it's any business of yours whether I'm married or not.

I've said all that I feel it necessary to say to you directly on this subject so please endeavour to seek enlightenment elsewhere.

Sayonara.
 
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I don't normally make a habit of attacking people but something about your way of insinuating that any man who see's things differently to yourself feels "threatened" in some way really makes me perceive you as someone who's insufferably arrogant and devoid of the ability to be as empathic as you would like others to be to your point of view.

My being marital status has no bearing on this subject so I see no reason as to why it's any business of yours whether I'm married or not.

I've said all that I feel it necessary to say to you directly on this subject so please endeavour to seek enlightenment elsewhere.

Sayonara.

You marital status does indeed have a bearing. If you've never been married, don't try to present yourself as an expert on the subject. Under that circumstance, you know not of what you speak.
 

I don't normally make a habit of attacking people but something about your way of insinuating that any man who see's things differently to yourself feels "threatened" in some way really makes me perceive you as someone who's insufferably arrogant and devoid of the ability to be as empathic as you would like others to be to your point of view.

In my book respect is earned and so far, you've done nothing to engender any respectful feelings from me towards you or your viewpoints.

If you are indeed interested in gaining greater understanding and thus forming clearer opinions then just drop the scales from your eyes and really take a look at what's really going on in this crazy world.

Maybe then you'll be able to have a clearer appreciation as to why so many of us are sick and tired of being bamboozled by the "isms" of the white man and the sermons of his sycophants.

My being marital status has no bearing on this subject so I see no reason as to why it's any business of yours whether I'm married or not.

I've said all that I feel it necessary to say to you directly on this subject so please endeavour to seek enlightenment elsewhere.

Sayonara.

Your knack for diplomacy has somehow eluded me.

Does this ring a bell (an no, I'm not Lola. I could pull any number of your posts to reveal a consistent trend: Originally Posted by Mr MajestiK
No one's trying to find excuses.

Quit trying to justify your inane premise of a thread with equally vacuous mumblings.

If you did not speak to any of the women you saw at this "graduation" thing then you have no place commenting on an issue that you clearly have no frakking clue about.

What in the hell is wrong with you?

I'm yet to see many woman on here clearly coming out to speak on some, if not all of the bullshit decisions some women have made in their lives that's contributed to the bullshit that we all have to deal with eventually.

As many posters have already said in this very thraed, women are the final arbiters of who gets to run up in them raw dog style.

At what point do any of you self-denials own up to the fact that you sometimes make mistakes in who some of you allow yourselves to be impregnated by?

There's a vast difference between genuinely concerned cats and those who just want to hate for the sake of hating but I guess it's easier to equate logically well thought out and reasoned posts as being simple "black woman bashing" rhetoric.

I take no pleasure in verbally smashing your premise to smithereens but suffice it to say that this overly simplistic world view that you seem to have concerning supposedly absent black fathers has you firmly placed between my targetting reticule.

The kid gloves are off and your about to recieve the spanking of lifetime.

Engarde!
 
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