yasky777 said:
i agree with you homie!
Since Jeezy is Platinum Now How many albums has NaS sold So far?
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i agree with you homie!
Skinnyni99a said:
Exactly where in the fuck are all these people who love this "real" hip hop and why aren't they buying his cd?
no one said nas dont want to make money
we just saying that lately you dont get paid for talent..
back even when we were teenagers or not even born artists who made incredible and memorable songs with their god given talents won awards and made an impact into culture..
now some dumbass with limited vocabulary and minimal if any talent at all can sell some records..
the white people at my job that go to aol and look up the top tens songs based on the aol list of the day (which may list beyonce, bruce springstein, jeezy, jay z, dixie chicks)
dont give a fuck if the artists is talented.. they just want to be in the now and the know of whats "cool"
fuck that the artists has no place to be in the top 100 of the day.. its worthless.. its why i dont go by soundscan, dont listen to the radio, dont just give a rapper props cause of what producer or camp he is down with..
no skills, no rotation on my ipod..
we just saying that lately you dont get paid for talent..
back even when we were teenagers or not even born artists who made incredible and memorable songs with their god given talents won awards and made an impact into culture..
now some dumbass with limited vocabulary and minimal if any talent at all can sell some records..
the white people at my job that go to aol and look up the top tens songs based on the aol list of the day (which may list beyonce, bruce springstein, jeezy, jay z, dixie chicks)
dont give a fuck if the artists is talented.. they just want to be in the now and the know of whats "cool"
fuck that the artists has no place to be in the top 100 of the day.. its worthless.. its why i dont go by soundscan, dont listen to the radio, dont just give a rapper props cause of what producer or camp he is down with..
no skills, no rotation on my ipod..
BlaqMoses said:
^^^^
^^^^I like St. Elsewhere, there is a message in every song
Jagi said:
Whos the judge on Talent tho? Talent is a subjective term in itself. Everybody does not agree on what is talent. I could be an artist. You might think what I paint is bullshit, and that I have no talent...An art Gallery could see that same shit and it could sell for millions..
I remember reading a publication from the 80's and the question was "Is Michael Jackson the greatest of all time"...And older singers were saying Mike didnt have any musical talent because quincy jones wrote all the hits he just danced to them.
You judge your basis of "talent" of what you grew up on. You base it on basically Old School East Coast rap music. I think Canibus is one of the illest lyricist and has amazing talent. I know people who like older hip hop and say he has no talent because its not hard to look in a dictionary and throw words together, its all about whats talent to you..
Anybody who has ever sold ONE record has a talent. Even if its the just ability to get people to buy records. Doesnt matter. Getting people believe in and like your music enough to buy the album is a talent..
Jeezy aint a great rapper to me, and I dont think anybody else. But thats not his strength. His talent is making street records that sell. Lyrically he does nothing amazing but one thing about Jeezy thats crazy is that hes gotta be the only cat I've ever heard that made 2 albums with No Rnb Love songs, or tracks with "Radio Friendly" lyrics and topics and manage to sell them. Does that mean its good? Nah. But its just odd to me..
Nas talent is making complex music that still sells in a simplified marketplace..He hasnt made a radio single in like 4 albums and is still selling at his previous pace...Props to Nas as well...
The LEGEND KG said:
Case is gone. And Nas might not reach a million you dont have to reach a million to go platinum. Jeezy is at 776. When a label has shipped out a million its platinum. Because stores buy it from the label wholesale, its technically platinum when copy # one million leaves the plant..Artists dont give a fuck about shipped because they arent reaping financial benefits of the shipped amount.
there is an old school element to what i consider talent.. but its not based on where they around at that time.
for instance..
most great singers did not write their own material.. they just had great voices.. and worked on their vocal range...
they let the writers do their job and write.. nothing more..
the producer wasnt a financial backer but worked with the artists and helped the song sound the best it could
rappers also to be considered a great mc not just an entertainer.. wrote their own lyrics, discussed more than one subject, if you heard your style or line used somewhere and you know no one else heard you say it before so it wasnt actually stolen, you go back and rewrite your line cause your supposed to be as original as possible.. doing the same song just different is something an entertainer with a gimmick does, singer, rapper, etc.. an mc goes against the grain and each song is different
a singer that just looks good and has protools gets slammed when they do a cover song.. a singer who sings without high end soundmen in a local live club will get a standing obation cause they worked on their voice not image well enough to contend with the original artist of the cover song..
talent, to me is not only natural and from the heart and authentic in each individual
but it to me has to be something that everyone in unicen can fell and understand and agree on, if you have to look at soundscan or the next man to approve before you give your approval its a fad..
i'll agree on that fact that there is no one form or source to say who bases talent
but obviosly this thread has nothing to do with talent as the jeezy remark is all about album sales.. thats it...
a true fan or listener of their favorite artist as proven here on bgol posts the artists catalog, favorite song, favorite video, even goes as far as breaking down a song lyric by lyric..
not going to see that with jeezy anytime soon.. and if you cant do that.. sorry your talentless.. especially if anybody can come out and replace you saying the same thing next week.. jeezy would not be missed if he lost his record deal..
for instance..
most great singers did not write their own material.. they just had great voices.. and worked on their vocal range...
they let the writers do their job and write.. nothing more..
the producer wasnt a financial backer but worked with the artists and helped the song sound the best it could
rappers also to be considered a great mc not just an entertainer.. wrote their own lyrics, discussed more than one subject, if you heard your style or line used somewhere and you know no one else heard you say it before so it wasnt actually stolen, you go back and rewrite your line cause your supposed to be as original as possible.. doing the same song just different is something an entertainer with a gimmick does, singer, rapper, etc.. an mc goes against the grain and each song is different
a singer that just looks good and has protools gets slammed when they do a cover song.. a singer who sings without high end soundmen in a local live club will get a standing obation cause they worked on their voice not image well enough to contend with the original artist of the cover song..
talent, to me is not only natural and from the heart and authentic in each individual
but it to me has to be something that everyone in unicen can fell and understand and agree on, if you have to look at soundscan or the next man to approve before you give your approval its a fad..
i'll agree on that fact that there is no one form or source to say who bases talent
but obviosly this thread has nothing to do with talent as the jeezy remark is all about album sales.. thats it...
a true fan or listener of their favorite artist as proven here on bgol posts the artists catalog, favorite song, favorite video, even goes as far as breaking down a song lyric by lyric..
not going to see that with jeezy anytime soon.. and if you cant do that.. sorry your talentless.. especially if anybody can come out and replace you saying the same thing next week.. jeezy would not be missed if he lost his record deal..
Man fuck all this riff-raff if this is "real" hip-hop and everybody is tired of this "fake" hip-hop his fuckin album sales should be through the damn roof. You niggas know damn good and well NAS cares about his sales, every artist does. Just like when 50 was talkin to Styles P and Styles said he didn't care he only sold 80,000 then he had quickly correct himself....nigga knows damn good and well he cares.
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Blunt said:
Dude I think you got it twisted that wasn't defensive thats just me trying to end the comparison fuck record sales. I don't think JEEZY's name should be mentioned in the same breath as Nas. And of course cares he cares about record sales I never said he didn't that would be stupid to argue that an artist doesn't care how he feeds his family, my argument was simply about relevance. I felt you where trying to use sales as the barometer to who is better or more relevant.
Jagi said:
Again man you are basing talent on what you consider talent. There is no all-emcompassing criteria for talent. There is no such thing as something that everyone enjoys. Now STRICTLY by your criteria this is what I see:
By your criteria Jeezy has talent. You said Authenticity and true to their heart. Well if thats what he does in his real life and he puts it in music how is that not authentic? By the same token Nas is about as Unauthentic as it gets in terms of heart. We dont even need to bring that up.
You say what people feel. Whether you feel it personally or not people feel Jeezys music. I know cats that hustle or used to and they say shit like "Damn man that shit is so real I went through that same shit" Or "Damn man I do that same shit everyday"... And thats heart felt for them. Is that a positive life? No. Just like Nas Jeezy has had his same fanbase and he's never changed. From Streets is watching to Trap To Die to both major albums. The people that supported Jeezy from Trap or Die on didnt give a fuck about Soundscan either. Yet he still gets those same people to go out and buy albums at a time when the urban demographic does not do that.
In 10 years will Jeezy has had a major musical impact on the game....hell nah. But shit its niggas right now who hear trap or die and say "Damn man when that shit came out I was working the spot, that was my shit."
Any and everything is replaceable.
I like Nas but not this album.I'm not crazy about Jeezy but his album is good. And that's coming from a die-hard Queens representin Nas fan.Jeezy cant rap for shit but Jeezy makes that hustler music that attracts all the gangsters,hustlers,go-getters,etc,etc...Jeezy deserves to go Platinum for this effort.Nas,on the other hand,I'm not feelin this one like that. My boy's lyrics are fire as usual but I'm not feelin the beats like that.Though Jeezy has made Platinum,Nas aint too far behind.So...who's the winner...I'll tell you who...DEF JAM!!!! 
i agree with this list my dudeDownSouthCharlestonBoy said:
that was sickRiggz said:Dayum..that's one of the deepest verses I've even heard
Well seeing as though RAP=Rhyming
Jeezy loses
I hate these plastic ass rappers...what happened to the "snap" dudes?
Computers computin...bopity boopin
The money is in sellout commercial rap...white folks can find an identity in that...go to jeezy concert...and all the people who bought his album will be there...white folks
Nas is for US, when he says "Hip-Hop is dead", WE know exactly what he's talking about...because we grew up with this stuff and we know how it was, and how it is now...
Same people who buy black star & common, are the same folks who pick up Nas, if Nas makes another "you owe me" song BAM...but nowadayz that would contradict what he's sayin
Jeezy loses
I hate these plastic ass rappers...what happened to the "snap" dudes?
Computers computin...bopity boopin
The money is in sellout commercial rap...white folks can find an identity in that...go to jeezy concert...and all the people who bought his album will be there...white folks
Nas is for US, when he says "Hip-Hop is dead", WE know exactly what he's talking about...because we grew up with this stuff and we know how it was, and how it is now...
Same people who buy black star & common, are the same folks who pick up Nas, if Nas makes another "you owe me" song BAM...but nowadayz that would contradict what he's sayin
Nas doesn't have the same appeal for everybody. I recognize he has talent, but I can't relate to half the shit he is talking about because I don't live the life he is describing. I can recognize that he has a nice style and he has been in the game awhile, but there are a lot of people that can relate to Jeezy where I live. He is currently outselling Nas and he deserves the respect that he is earning. Hood Niggas like Jeezy because he is describing life as they see it. For the record I don't think Jeezy can rap, but I like his tracks and I would rather hear "go getta" when I am fucked up at a strip club with a chick popping her ass in my face instead of hearing Nas whine about the current state of rap. Just my .02
SWATLANTA said:
Very well put, and I agree for the most part.
BlaqMoses said:
Yo that Cee Lo is one of illest Ive ever heard him spit. When TI drops a verse like this come holla. I cant even believe there in the same category. I like TI but people dont know what lyricism is anymore. This is the age of image and beats the emcee has died out with break dancing,DJ,and graffiti
Yo If anyone got That jeezy Can u PM Me with it thanks Mane 
Hey thats real talk right there. Niggas cant just jam some nas all the time, thats depressing. And if everybody think nas is such a good lyricist and one of the greatest, why has he never sold that much? Not saying Jeezy is the better lyricist, but I dont wanna hear a nigga talking about that shit all the time. I could watch CNN for that shit.SWATLANTA said:
ok so some cats are talented
but if they are they are not using their talent..
for instance, nelly supposedly was heading down a possibly good baseball career, instead of using his talent he saw the formula for getting paid in music making more money faster and went the rap route
had some number one singles, do i think he is talented? nope..just my opinion
jeezy to me has not spit anything that made me go "ooohh shit, that cat got some skills on him, i cant wait to hear what he gives us next" ever
and not everyone is slanging or a hood cat, some are just hanging on the streets not selling, the so called thug life some of these rappers spit is not some of the listeners lives either.. its a dream really
i like to use biggie as my example most times.. he was a catholic school kid with good grades.. but wanted to be with the hood cats.. wanted to be with the hood cats..
a drug dealer that comes from nothing and finds himself in a position where he has not many choices, i still dont agree with the life but understand.. if its not your life and you get in it and it gets hectic.. hey.. fuck it, thats what you wanted right.. deal..
there are some thug, gangsta shit i like.. if its hot.. i mean even when i listened krs and p.e. in their prime i listened to kool g rap too..
the difference in my opinion is skills..
and i dont hate the south.. especially when they do have some heat when it comes to beats... and they sure as hell do have some rappers that i feel would be better at repping the south with originality and skills to rival some east and west cats and add that southern style to it
but i dont see it in jeezy or wayne
T.I. i like, not a fan but i like his lyrics
but if the next cat to come from the south spits the same as jeezy and says the same thing.. why is he the next big thing if he is not doing anything new? why not just keep riding with jeezy? but i bet that wont happen...
but if they are they are not using their talent..
for instance, nelly supposedly was heading down a possibly good baseball career, instead of using his talent he saw the formula for getting paid in music making more money faster and went the rap route
had some number one singles, do i think he is talented? nope..just my opinion
jeezy to me has not spit anything that made me go "ooohh shit, that cat got some skills on him, i cant wait to hear what he gives us next" ever
and not everyone is slanging or a hood cat, some are just hanging on the streets not selling, the so called thug life some of these rappers spit is not some of the listeners lives either.. its a dream really
i like to use biggie as my example most times.. he was a catholic school kid with good grades.. but wanted to be with the hood cats.. wanted to be with the hood cats..
a drug dealer that comes from nothing and finds himself in a position where he has not many choices, i still dont agree with the life but understand.. if its not your life and you get in it and it gets hectic.. hey.. fuck it, thats what you wanted right.. deal..
there are some thug, gangsta shit i like.. if its hot.. i mean even when i listened krs and p.e. in their prime i listened to kool g rap too..
the difference in my opinion is skills..
and i dont hate the south.. especially when they do have some heat when it comes to beats... and they sure as hell do have some rappers that i feel would be better at repping the south with originality and skills to rival some east and west cats and add that southern style to it
but i dont see it in jeezy or wayne
T.I. i like, not a fan but i like his lyrics
but if the next cat to come from the south spits the same as jeezy and says the same thing.. why is he the next big thing if he is not doing anything new? why not just keep riding with jeezy? but i bet that wont happen...
First off... Cee Lo ripped that shit!! 4sho...
Second, I'm not going to argue with people from the north that don't understand southern MUSIC. I call it MUSIC, because you all so-called 'Hip Hop Heads' pretty much bannished our form of rap music from qualifying as Hip Hop.... and thats fine with me. I grew up listening to it all (as most cats in the South) but our own roots in Music stems from the BLUES. Niggas that know anything about Blues music know that them folks talk about any and everything in that. That shit is no holds barred. So why you think all these 'Street' Cats like UGK, Eightball and MJG, Ghetto Boyz, Outkast, and all the other legends from down here rap about such a diverse group of things? They focus on what they see around them and the struggle they dealt with or saw OUR people deal with. They rap about shit that is commonplace. Thats where the niggas like Jeezy, T.I., and a host of other young cats sprung up from. You all hate all the money talk and all that shit and you say that the Southern cats fucked up Hip Hop with that. But when Nas, Jay, and Biggie(the true GOAT) were doin it, it was never really brought up as a problem. Them niggas talked about guns and drugs as well. So it is what it is in the rap game. The OLD OLD heads need to realize that rap aint never goin back to the sugar hill gang days, much less run dmc or rakim days. Their shit is all classic, and for good reason. Its like the Temptations trying to drop an album these days sounding like they did in the 60s.... its nice shit, but its outdated. Music is a "Person" and is forever changing, so let it!!! You can't stop it, but rest assured that we in the SOUTH only have it for now. So we'll take that spot as not REAL HIP HOP... Like Pimp C said, we make 'Gutter' music down here. "These are gangsta rap tunes"!! Straight up, so take it like that.
Third, I like Jeezy, but I aint sayin he the best rapper in the world, he just got some real shit he say sometimes. I'm drawn to that, and the fact that he aint tryin to be some "RAP" nigga. His lyrics are always gonna be just alright at best, but its all about his delivery and feeling when he spits the shit he does that attracts the fans to him. With all that being said, everybody knows that Nas is killin Jeezy on that lyrical tip. Thats just real.
Lastly, as another poster mentioned earlier in this post, people want to whine because a nigga like Jeezy hittin that Platinum mark and Nas not being there yet, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of the niggas doin the whinin aint went to the fuckin CD store and purchased Nas' shit at all. There are well over a million people who said they loved Nas' new album and praisin it, but the numbers aint reflectin that. So YALL are some hypocrites and you're doin your mans Nas dirty by not buyin his shit. Talkin shit on a message board aint real support.......
Second, I'm not going to argue with people from the north that don't understand southern MUSIC. I call it MUSIC, because you all so-called 'Hip Hop Heads' pretty much bannished our form of rap music from qualifying as Hip Hop.... and thats fine with me. I grew up listening to it all (as most cats in the South) but our own roots in Music stems from the BLUES. Niggas that know anything about Blues music know that them folks talk about any and everything in that. That shit is no holds barred. So why you think all these 'Street' Cats like UGK, Eightball and MJG, Ghetto Boyz, Outkast, and all the other legends from down here rap about such a diverse group of things? They focus on what they see around them and the struggle they dealt with or saw OUR people deal with. They rap about shit that is commonplace. Thats where the niggas like Jeezy, T.I., and a host of other young cats sprung up from. You all hate all the money talk and all that shit and you say that the Southern cats fucked up Hip Hop with that. But when Nas, Jay, and Biggie(the true GOAT) were doin it, it was never really brought up as a problem. Them niggas talked about guns and drugs as well. So it is what it is in the rap game. The OLD OLD heads need to realize that rap aint never goin back to the sugar hill gang days, much less run dmc or rakim days. Their shit is all classic, and for good reason. Its like the Temptations trying to drop an album these days sounding like they did in the 60s.... its nice shit, but its outdated. Music is a "Person" and is forever changing, so let it!!! You can't stop it, but rest assured that we in the SOUTH only have it for now. So we'll take that spot as not REAL HIP HOP... Like Pimp C said, we make 'Gutter' music down here. "These are gangsta rap tunes"!! Straight up, so take it like that.
Third, I like Jeezy, but I aint sayin he the best rapper in the world, he just got some real shit he say sometimes. I'm drawn to that, and the fact that he aint tryin to be some "RAP" nigga. His lyrics are always gonna be just alright at best, but its all about his delivery and feeling when he spits the shit he does that attracts the fans to him. With all that being said, everybody knows that Nas is killin Jeezy on that lyrical tip. Thats just real.
Lastly, as another poster mentioned earlier in this post, people want to whine because a nigga like Jeezy hittin that Platinum mark and Nas not being there yet, but the fact of the matter is that the majority of the niggas doin the whinin aint went to the fuckin CD store and purchased Nas' shit at all. There are well over a million people who said they loved Nas' new album and praisin it, but the numbers aint reflectin that. So YALL are some hypocrites and you're doin your mans Nas dirty by not buyin his shit. Talkin shit on a message board aint real support.......
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