Should Democrats build on the Affordable Care Act or push toward Medicare for All?

Of the two general options, Democrats should:

  • Build on the Affordable Care Act

  • Push toward Medicare for All


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Biden proposes massive new Obamacare subsidies, public option in health care plan
By Eric Bradner and Tami Luhby, CNN
Mon July 15, 2019

Joe Biden is proposing massive new subsidies to make health coverage through Obamacare's exchanges cheaper -- as well as a new "public option" that would allow people to buy into a program his campaign says would be similar to Medicare.

The former vice president unveiled his health care plan Monday morning amid an escalating fight with his 2020 Democratic presidential foes as some more liberal candidates advocate enrolling all Americans in a national health plan, all but eliminating private health insurance.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is set to deliver a speech making his case for "Medicare for All" on Wednesday, according to his campaign. And California Sen. Kamala Harris, who has similarly backed a single-payer, government-run health program, teased the upcoming rollout of her plan in front of a crowd in New Hampshire on Sunday, too.

Biden, meanwhile, is pushing for a more moderate approach, built on former President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act.

"We should not be starting from scratch. We should be building from what we have. There's no time to wait," Biden told an audience in Dover, New Hampshire, on Friday.

He said that under his plan, if "you like your employer-based insurance, you get to keep it." Under other leading Democrats' plans, he said, "you lose it, period."


Biden's plan would launch a "public option" that his campaign says would be "like Medicare," with primary care covered with no co-payments.

And he would take a series of steps designed to lower the cost of purchasing insurance on Obamacare's exchanges by providing federal subsidies for everyone, regardless of their income.

Currently, only those who earn less than 400% of the federal poverty level -- or about $100,000 annually for a family of four -- qualify for help paying their premiums. Biden would lift that cap.

Also, those enrolled in an Obamacare plan would have to pay no more than 8.5% of their income -- instead of the current 9.86% -- in premiums. A family of four earning $110,000 annually would save about $750 a month in premiums, the campaign said.

And he would base those subsidies on the cost of "gold plans," which have higher premiums but lower deductibles, rather than less generous "silver plans." That means people could spend less money out of pocket -- or could use the larger subsidies to buy less expensive silver or bronze plans. This move would help address a major criticism of Obamacare -- that its deductibles are too high. The average deductible for an enrollee under Obamacare in a "gold plan" is just under $1,600 in 2019, while for a "silver plan," it's just over $4,000, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Biden's campaign characterized the proposal as a return to what Obama had originally sought in 2009, when he unsuccessfully lobbied the then Democratic-run Congress to include a public option in the law.

"We're starting with the Affordable Care Act as the base and going to insist on the elements that we sought last time -- and we'll get them this time," a senior Biden campaign official said.

Biden's plan also aims to curb prescription drug prices, including allowing Medicare to negotiate prices with drug makers. Also, the prices of newly launched drugs that face no competition would be the subject of a review by an independent panel established by the Health and Human Services Department, and, in certain cases, recommend reasonable prices based on the average price in other countries. People would also be allowed to import some prescription drugs from other countries, and drug makers would face tax penalties for increasing the price of their brand-name, generic or biotech drugs by an amount larger than the inflation rate.

Biden's proposal would carry a price tag of $750 billion over 10 years, his campaign said. He is proposing to foot the bill by raising income taxes on the wealthiest Americans to 39.6% -- reversing part of the Republican-led Congress' 2017 tax cut law that reduced that rate -- and by requiring those who earn more than $1 million per year to pay 39.6% taxes on capital gains, rather than the current 20%. The federal government will spend an estimated $58 billion in 2019 on subsidies related to the Affordable Care Act, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Biden's plan does not include any contingencies that would kick in if federal courts currently considering a legal challenge to Obamacare strike down the law, in part or in full.

"We are moving forward with the expectation that it will continue to be (upheld), and he's going to continue to fight to build on it and expand on it," a senior campaign official said.

While Biden is painting his plan as more achievable than Medicare for All, Sanders stood his ground, tweeting a few hours later that he fought to improve and pass Obamacare.

"I traveled all over the country to fight the repeal of Obamacare," Sanders said in a tweet that included a video of Obama calling Medicare for All a good new idea. "But I will not be deterred from ending the corporate greed that creates dysfunction in our health care system. We must pass Medicare for All."


 
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I dunno man. Medicare for all sounds great but i'm running a family business in hospital revenue cycle management that's been in business for over 20 years. I don't see scenario how medicare for all will sustain the current healthcare delivery system. If providers were solely reimbursed on the Medicare Fee schedule, they would shutdown and never touch that business. There will be a drastic change to hospitals, healthcare organizations, clinicians and the millions of people they employ. Maybe it will be for the better in the long run? but there will definitely be a dark time before the good if Medicare for all somehow is accomplished.
 
I like Biden plan cause it will lower costs provide care and is passable. Medicare for all is simple pie in the sky and will not pass. Its great on paper and in theory but in order for it to pass you will need complete control of Congress,70 Dems in Senate and of course Democratic President. 2 of 3 can happen but 70 in Senate cant happen and with out a huge advantage it wont pass.
 
Medicare For All.

Americans, better yet the 75% that are NOT progressive, would rather the status quo. Even Democrats (Biden) are refusing the idea of Medicare for All, or whatever you want to call the program
 
I like Biden plan cause it will lower costs provide care and is passable. Medicare for all is simple pie in the sky and will not pass. Its great on paper and in theory but in order for it to pass you will need complete control of Congress,70 Dems in Senate and of course Democratic President. 2 of 3 can happen but 70 in Senate cant happen and with out a huge advantage it wont pass.
For the Senate the Dems would first need to win control of the Senate and then do what they probably will never do which is keep rules that allow a majority vote to be good enough to pass a bill instead of 60 votes.
 
I like Biden plan cause it will lower costs provide care and is passable. Medicare for all is simple pie in the sky and will not pass. Its great on paper and in theory but in order for it to pass you will need complete control of Congress,70 Dems in Senate and of course Democratic President. 2 of 3 can happen but 70 in Senate cant happen and with out a huge advantage it wont pass.
As we have seen recently, a simple shift in the majority can destroy the whole thing.
 
Yeah so the sooner that shit starts the better. Medicare for everyone. Doctors are too rich. Everything is artificially inflated.


I dunno man. Medicare for all sounds great but i'm running a family business in hospital revenue cycle management that's been in business for over 20 years. I don't see scenario how medicare for all will sustain the current healthcare delivery system. If providers were solely reimbursed on the Medicare Fee schedule, they would shutdown and never touch that business. There will be a drastic change to hospitals, healthcare organizations, clinicians and the millions of people they employ. Maybe it will be for the better in the long run? but there will definitely be a dark time before the good if Medicare for all somehow is accomplished.
 
Both. Obamacare needs to be stabilized and I'd like to see private care still be available for people who want it. As far as Medicare for all, I think you should be able to sign up for it in stages to make sure it can absorb the people. Start lowering the eligibility age for it by 5-7 years each year or two until everyone is eligible. It gives us time to see if the system can handle it, and if necessary, we could delay lowering eligibility and accepting more people should any unforseen problems arise that need to be dealt with.

Marco Rubio helped screw us on the ACA. He is the reason health plan costs went up, screwing up the compensation over the risk corridors. We need to undo what he did.
 
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Dems have been lying to black people in favor of other people, I wouldn't listen to their promises until they cut the check for black people.

Right on, bruh!!! I dont ever see the dems cutting that check for copper color people.. Bruh, getting our people to view the democrats thru new eyes, is damn near impossible!! Until people start demanding and questioning these politicians and democrat party, the nightmare will continue!!
 

I dont ever see the Corporation of the united states getting away from the current state of healthcare!! The sooner the majority of the population understands the government and its agencies #1 propriety is to protect and defend these all these billion dollar corporation!! The better off we will be!! Anyway, good post...
 
America is based on an adversarial system of business and law. Better advocates, and privileged advocates, expect more money and better health care than the less fortunate. The idea of universal health care threatens that order.

As long as America remains a capitalistic and adversarial nation Democrats should not focus on universal healthcare. It's a losing battle. Instead, Democrats should focus on the redistribution of wealth--i.e., narrowing the gap between rich and poor. Universal healthcare won't happen until the gap between rich and poor is better equalized.
 
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Right on, bruh!!! I dont ever see the dems cutting that check for copper color people.. Bruh, getting our people to view the democrats thru new eyes, is damn near impossible!! Until people start demanding and questioning these politicians and democrat party, the nightmare will continue!!

No way y’all can be this dumb. Dems cutting the check huh? Just Dems - exactly how are they gonna cut this check? Are Republicans gonna be involved?
 
No way y’all can be this dumb. Dems cutting the check huh? Just Dems - exactly how are they gonna cut this check? Are Republicans gonna be involved?

Truth be told, the dems and repubs are a 2-headed cockroach attached to one infected body!! So when you talk about the dems, your talking about the repubs also!! Oops, my bad!! I forgot they are 2 different parties,, :roflmao:
 
Truth be told, the dems and repubs are a 2-headed cockroach attached to one infected body!! So when you talk about the dems, your talking about the repubs also!! Oops, my bad!! I forgot they are 2 different parties,, :roflmao:

Interesting. Seems like y’all have made the same mistake a lot lately. Especially since you were co-signing another ignorant post saying the same thing.

I guess in your next post you will talk about strategies for making Republicans, the other head of the cockroach that would need to assist, cut the check right?

Just asking for clarity
 
If universal healthcare can work in other countries around the world, why can't it happen in the United States?
 
Both. Obamacare needs to be stabilized and I'd like to see private care still be available for people who want it. As far as Medicare for all, I think you should be able to sign up for it in stages to make sure it can absorb the people. Start lowering the eligibility age for it by 5-7 years each year or two until everyone is eligible. It gives us time to see if the system can handle it, and if necessary, we could delay lowering eligibility and accepting more people should any unforseen problems arise that need to be dealt with.

Marco Rubio helped screw us on the ACA. He is the reason health plan costs went up, screwing up the compensation over the risk corridors. We need to undo what he did.

I like this.
 
Am I wrong when I say the only pitfall for the Affordable Care Act is that when it was created Congress sat by without putting legislation together that would prevent Insurance companies from raising their premiums to astronomical levels? To offset their losses by insuring folks they'd usually pass on they raised their premiums to offset losses. I'm not an expert in this shit so that's why I ask the question. Medicare for all. Is that even doable? It takes months jut to change the stationary in a corporation.
 
Obamacare was a weak bill/law to begin with that was designed to protect the insurance companies and pharmaceuticals.It also gave republican states too much power to sabotage it which they did.

The only good parts of the ACA was preexisting conditions and not allowing lifetime caps. The rest is bullshit and caused all these high premiums and high deductibles.

Even Obama wanted single-payer/Medicare for all but his weak-ass spineless Democrats wouldn't support it because they are already in the pocket.

The only people that don't want medicare for all are those being paid off
 
Am I wrong when I say the only pitfall for the Affordable Care Act is that when it was created Congress sat by without putting legislation together that would prevent Insurance companies from raising their premiums to astronomical levels? To offset their losses by insuring folks they'd usually pass on they raised their premiums to offset losses. I'm not an expert in this shit so that's why I ask the question. Medicare for all. Is that even doable? It takes months jut to change the stationary in a corporation.

Google Marco Rubio and risk corridors. They knew insurance cos were going to take a loss the first few years due to more people with serious issues seeking insurance, so there was a plan to reimburse them. He blew it up.
 
Build on Obamacare . Obama Care was strong and perfect to begin with. Then to get it passed , the House and Senate watered it down, got rid of the public option and some states were carried for free. Those who thought Dems were on Obama's side , if you watch the debates you saw how they trashed him and used his policies to bash Biden. They never meant Obama any good. Thats why they stopped him and pretend to fail to stop trump
 
Right on, bruh!!! I dont ever see the dems cutting that check for copper color people.. Bruh, getting our people to view the democrats thru new eyes, is damn near impossible!! Until people start demanding and questioning these politicians and democrat party, the nightmare will continue!!
Look no further than the mouth breathers on this board to see ignorance live and in living color.:smh:
 
Medicare for All. Universal coverage is the only way to go. Corporations have dictated the frame for this conversation for too long. Health Care being tied to your employer is retarded and immoral. Paying exorbitant premiums as a 1099 is also dumb. This shit is even dumb from a small business owner perspective as it stifles growth and limits hiring options.

Time for us to join the developed world and guarantee health coverage as a human right. It also sidesteps the bullshit "Obamacare!" fear mongering from the right. Medicare is wildly popular with voters across the board.
 
Medicare for All. Universal coverage is the only way to go. Corporations have dictated the frame for this conversation for too long. Health Care being tied to your employer is retarded and immoral. Paying exorbitant premiums as a 1099 is also dumb. This shit is even dumb from a small business owner perspective as it stifles growth and limits hiring options.

Time for us to join the developed world and guarantee health coverage as a human right. It also sidesteps the bullshit "Obamacare!" fear mongering from the right. Medicare is wildly popular with voters across the board.

Showing the UK perspective on Universal healthcare. This is paid for through our taxes as with most other countries.
 
Showing the UK perspective on Universal healthcare. This is paid for through our taxes as with most other countries.

I think if more Americans got passports and saw how most wealthy nations treated their citizens (especially in terms of healthcare) they would come back disillusioned as shit with the corporate frame on this stuff. Plebes are sincerely asking "who's going to pay for this?" Lol. Meanwhile the abject horror, wastefulness, greed and inefficiency of our system is never talked about in a meaningful way.
 
Build on Obamacare . Obama Care was strong and perfect to begin with. Then to get it passed , the House and Senate watered it down, got rid of the public option and some states were carried for free. Those who thought Dems were on Obama's side , if you watch the debates you saw how they trashed him and used his policies to bash Biden. They never meant Obama any good. Thats why they stopped him and pretend to fail to stop trump

Obamacare was never strong and perfect and Obama didn't even want it but knew it was all he could get with the senate majority he had.

The ACA was passed with zero Republican votes and if the democrats stood strong they could have passed single-payer to begin with but the Dems have closet republicans or as they call them blue dogs.

Obama took what he could get but it was by no means perfect or strong
 
I want everybody to have some form of healthcare. I think I’m for a two-tier system. I don’t know if the best way to do that is through Medicare or to expand on Obamacare. It’s a complicated situation, much to complex to have a discussion with people who believe Obama was a Kenyan Muslim plant.

i mean it’s so difficult that only every other developed nation could figure it out.
 
The biggest obstacle to Medicare for all is the Democrat's ineffective messaging. Fox News and the Republicans would easily be able to convince enough people that M4A is the first step to turn us into the Soviet Union.

For every chart and graph the dems can come up with, the gop can throw a hundred one liners at them.

Plus they'll never have the balls to use the nuclear option to get it passed.
 
I want everybody to have some form of healthcare. I think I’m for a two-tier system. I don’t know if the best way to do that is through Medicare or to expand on Obamacare. It’s a complicated situation, much to complex to have a discussion with people who believe Obama was a Kenyan Muslim plant.

i mean it’s so difficult that only every other developed nation could figure it out.
It’s really not complicated. It comes across as complicated when your opposition thinks wearing a mask is tyrannical.
 
The biggest obstacle to Medicare for all is the Democrat's ineffective messaging. Fox News and the Republicans would easily be able to convince enough people that M4A is the first step to turn us into the Soviet Union.

For every chart and graph the dems can come up with, the gop can throw a hundred one liners at them.

Plus they'll never have the balls to use the nuclear option to get it passed.
i have never really agreed that the Democrats have a messaging issue. The Democrats problem is that black people make up a huge percentage of their caucus and the opposition cannot on any grounds justify working with them.

How simple is: Wear a mask or die? Is that complicated. It’s 5 words that’s been hammered into the country since March. But guess what? It’s all a Democratic hoax. That’s your opposition. Do you see that I didn’t use the word political opposition either. Because this isn’t politics. This is a declaration of war.
 
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