Should Blacks rethink their loyalty to the Democratic party?

[geechiedan]

Its a weak party with weak candidates now and any progresses for blacks specifically that were made were done 35-40 years ago and they take our vote for granted (and the republicans don't expect it) making any swing impact meaningless.

Should blacks as a people continue to vote democrat en masse?

 

[Hung Lo]

If everyone voted using their own individual vote, instead of using blind party affiliation, then we'd get a more accurate view of the where the American public stands. That goes for blacks, whites, and other ethic groups as well.

 

[Greed]

no, black people know what they want and they're getting it.

 

[QueEx]

If everyone voted using their own individual vote, instead of using blind party affiliation, then we'd get a more accurate view of the where the American public stands. That goes for blacks, whites, and other ethic groups as well.

So, individual votes do not fairly and accurately represent where those individual votes stand? Interesting.

QueEx

 

[Hung Lo]

So, individual votes do not fairly and accurately represent where those individual votes stand? Interesting.

QueEx

I knew you would take the bait.

When people don't vote based off how things are going to affect them, and they blindly accept a specific party then that is not an "individual's" vote, it's more or less a vote as a "collective".

Hot button issues such as anything concerning "health care", "taxes", & "faith", are always pushed down black peoples throats. From a "democratic" standpoint. Knowing damn well that those issues concern all Americans.

We have more black churches than black schools. So IMO there's a greater importance on "faith" every week, than understanding our own needs. That blind faith leads to a blind faith in one political party.

 

[Makeherhappy]

Interesting views.

Both parties have failed us. We need to look elsewhere.

I don't understand people who claim a party, and that's it no other option nothing.

Is their a party out there for us, I personally don't think so?

 

[QueEx]

I knew you would take the bait.

When people don't vote based off how things are going to affect them, and they blindly accept a specific party then that is not an "individual's" vote, it's more or less a vote as a "collective".

Hot button issues such as anything concerning "health care", "taxes", & "faith", are always pushed down black peoples throats. From a "democratic" standpoint. Knowing damn well that those issues concern all Americans.

We have more black churches than black schools. So IMO there's a greater importance on "faith" every week, than understanding our own needs. That blind faith leads to a blind faith in one political party.

No, I didn't take any bait, I was merely pointing out your poor sentence structure. But, thanks for the political lesson -- I see you seem to know as little about the latter as you do about the former.

QueEx

 

[VegasGuy]

Interesting views.

Both parties have failed us. We need to look elsewhere.

I don't understand people who claim a party, and that's it no other option nothing.

Is their a party out there for us, I personally don't think so?

I don't think that either party has failed us. They do what they have always done. Get you to hate the others in their respective party and vote for them. Bidness as usual.

However, I think there are too many of us who have decided that those who have made it their mission to speak for the bulk of us, (the democrat party, jesse and al, farrakhan and the NAACP, etc.) have accepted whatever results coming from their inability to affect the changes we are looking for. Ergo, we end up huddled in a basin in New Orleans drinking foul water while those who would speak FOR us, remain safe, wealthy and dry.

Every day we sit around our tables and discuss how fucked up life is to our families, our friends and co-workers. We know what we need to make our lives better. But each time an election comes around, who frames the debate?? It ain't us. All those issues we talk about every day never makes it to the stage because the debate is always some other shit. Bush granddaddy is a Nazi, vote for me. Republicans want to take Black people back to when we were 3/5's a man, vote for me. Republicans control the weather or whatever else can scare the fuck out of us, vote for me. Republicans want to take away your food stamps, health care, medicaid etc., vote for me. Remember Bull Conner, vote for me.

Who the fuck said I was worried about any of that shit? I just talked to Raheem and he wants a tax break so he can fix his fuckin roof his damn self. Monique needs help with her school bill so she can get a better paying job. That's what they said. Not once did they mention food stamps, Nazis or Bull Conner. But this is what THEY they talk about to get us to vote for them. A vote for shit they are talking about means Raheem's roof gotta wait. Monique got to take on a second job, leaving her kids whereva to take care of the school bills. And this goes on generation, after generation and the same people are being voted into office time after time.

Just look at how the debate is shaping up already. The CIA and some shit about Skooter Libby's ability to remember shit he said years ago. HUH? A special procecutor spends millions for 2 fuckin years and all they can come up with is somebody's memory loss? I'm telling you, that shit aint' important and is going nowhere. There are people out here with real problems as well as solutions that will take money to get it done. We need to quit accepting bullshit from politicians and make those fuckers prove what they can do.

-VG

 

[JUju2005]

Interesting views.

Both parties have failed us. We need to look elsewhere.

I don't understand people who claim a party, and that's it no other option nothing.

Is their a party out there for us, I personally don't think so?

cosign, destory and rebuild

 

[Makkonnen]

we dont need a party we need an association where the interests of our people can be represented accross most barriers
see florida cubans aarp etc
then whatever party wants our endorsement will pursue us

black people are addressing this shit on the whole like ghetto people address credit
uninformed, wheel spinning, getting burned etc instead of conducting shit properly
we dont need political parties they need us but that only works if we gather our dispersed numbers together into a consolidated group
how do you do that keeping in mind the distance between all of us? like i said one large organization to pool all of us- collect yearly membership dues - get leaders with impeccable moral and business credentials etc

all the this party that party bullshit is stupid
do what i said and the muthafuckas will line up at your door to tell you how they will serve your fuckin interests
i dont see any other way for a group such as ours to make an impact - such a group would be formidable in all levels of politics from local to federal
fuck the naacp and urban league - actions speak louder than words and their actions say "leave us because we already have left you"

30 million of 300 million with no fuckin voice? stop thinkin like sheep

 

[VegasGuy]

we dont need a party we need an association where the interests of our people can be represented accross most barriers
see florida cubans aarp etc
then whatever party wants our endorsement will pursue us

black people are addressing this shit on the whole like ghetto people address credit
uninformed, wheel spinning, getting burned etc instead of conducting shit properly
we dont need political parties they need us but that only works if we gather our dispersed numbers together into a consolidated group
how do you do that keeping in mind the distance between all of us? like i said one large organization to pool all of us- collect yearly membership dues - get leaders with impeccable moral and business credentials etc

all the this party that party bullshit is stupid
do what i said and the muthafuckas will line up at your door to tell you how they will serve your fuckin interests
i dont see any other way for a group such as ours to make an impact - such a group would be formidable in all levels of politics from local to federal
fuck the naacp and urban league - actions speak louder than words and their actions say "leave us because we already have left you"

30 million of 300 million with no fuckin voice? stop thinkin like sheep

Co-damn-signage!

-VG

 

[Makkonnen]

vegas i know you see the deal

if bill cosby wants to make a fuckin impact - we need him and influential black people to come together and jump this shit off-
an organization to represent poor and middle class interests

fuck kweezy mfume
fuck any "black" organization started by whites and meaningless

if anything members of those groups should be black listed(exaggerating) for joining those fuckin circle jerk squads

$10 a year dues
have regional and national meetings etc
organize all members to vote
getting all members to get all the people they know to fuckin vote
treat voting like gettin shots for the fuckin plague

people will stop being apathetic when they see how the system can benefit them - when they see real people make real changes because of what they do

thats why our people are fuckin stagnant and dyin while mexicans and others flourish mufuckas have no damn hope


im not the only person who could come up with that idea

how fuckin hard is it to look at successful models and copy them? shit happens every day all day in the world and that is why i think these people arent about shit and are fuckin frauds only concerned with them damn selves

cant motivate poor black people to vote?
but you can motivate them to buy malt liquor shitty self-destructive music and any drug u choose to give them?
fuckin lies


some of yall have better psychology backgrounds than my uneducated ass
motivation?
reward?
punishment?

ohhhh i guess we have tried everything and nothing works

man this is 2005 and nobody is doing shit? pathetic
shows you what house niggas like vernon jones jesse jackson and bill cosby are really about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and image not "us"

 

[Makeherhappy]

MAK agree with you 100%, that's scary. Elitism is a plague.

What ever happen to the Covenant with Black America? That website hasn't changed since it was first put up. More talk

That's like State of the Black Union, every year, they get on stage and talk about what's needs to be done. I'm missing the results.

Public school education is BROKE. The elected officials don't care. They make the laws that effect the children, and majority of them are only damaging them.

I'm doing what I can, who else is.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Well, here in NYC, the organization I run with ran a candidate
as an INDEPENDENT and it got us nowhere. Yes we need to
discard the Democratic party, but the truth is, in NYC, if you
want to get elected, you almost HAVE to be a democrat.

I am as against them as anyone, but in order to destroy it
or at least make it mean something stronger, you have to
be INSIDE of it. Unfortunately

We just had an election....So how many voted?? And how
many made excuses for NOT voting?? In NYC, there were
BOND issues on the ballot that gave the STATE LEGISLATURE
power over the state budget. We ran a candidate for the
state assembly (an independent one).

We KNOW the democratic party ain't gonna do SHIT for our
community, yet we voted EN MASSE for the democratic cat
that we KNOW is a sellout, when a real brotha was on the
ballot that you could talk to....Imagine having your HOMEBOY
in charge or dispersing BILLIONS of dollars throughout the
state?? Think your block would get a taste?? Well

Black folks did not. Not this Tuesday anyway. All the talk
about "we gotta do this" and "we gotta do that" and we
had the POWER right in their faces and they turned
it DOWN. Voted for the sellout brotha for the assembly
AND voted NO to give the power of the budget to the
assembly. So know what?? We bitch and moan about our
schools are devoid of this and that?? Our streets are
crumbling?? The police beat us?? City and State Services
suck?? Well you had your chance community and you
BLEW IT

I don't wanna hear ONE MORE COMPLAINT from another
brotha or sista ever again.

 

[Greed]

I am as against them as anyone, but in order to destroy it
or at least make it mean something stronger, you have to
be INSIDE of it. Unfortunately

interesting

 

[QueEx]

interesting

Yeah, it is interesting. Destroy it or make it better; you have to be inside. Same argument for the republican party or any minor party as well. On the local level, I find its a whole lot less about who you are and what you stand for than it is <u>what the voters stand for</u>.

Fools, idiots and the like that don't have their/our people at heart don't just get elected -- it takes fools, idiots and the like to cast their votes. Your and Runaway's experience may be different than mine, but what I see over and over is a lack of good candidates running <u>within the system</u> to make it better from within. They're out there -- but they avoid politics as much as informed voters avoid the booth.

QueEx

 

[Makkonnen]

Well, here in NYC, the organization I run with ran a candidate
as an INDEPENDENT and it got us nowhere. Yes we need to
discard the Democratic party, but the truth is, in NYC, if you
want to get elected, you almost HAVE to be a democrat.

I am as against them as anyone, but in order to destroy it
or at least make it mean something stronger, you have to
be INSIDE of it. Unfortunately

We just had an election....So how many voted?? And how
many made excuses for NOT voting?? In NYC, there were
BOND issues on the ballot that gave the STATE LEGISLATURE
power over the state budget. We ran a candidate for the
state assembly (an independent one).

We KNOW the democratic party ain't gonna do SHIT for our
community, yet we voted EN MASSE for the democratic cat
that we KNOW is a sellout, when a real brotha was on the
ballot that you could talk to....Imagine having your HOMEBOY
in charge or dispersing BILLIONS of dollars throughout the
state?? Think your block would get a taste?? Well

Black folks did not. Not this Tuesday anyway. All the talk
about "we gotta do this" and "we gotta do that" and we
had the POWER right in their faces and they turned
it DOWN. Voted for the sellout brotha for the assembly
AND voted NO to give the power of the budget to the
assembly. So know what?? We bitch and moan about our
schools are devoid of this and that?? Our streets are
crumbling?? The police beat us?? City and State Services
suck?? Well you had your chance community and you
BLEW IT

I don't wanna hear ONE MORE COMPLAINT from another
brotha or sista ever again.

i disagree. fuck political parties. the views of the majority of our people cross party lines

Fuck backing one candidate from one party

a organization like i described can LOBBY can donate to various parties and candidates to assure their agenda is addressed just like corporations do

there is a way to play and win
copy the strategy and methodology of the winners

look at the pros and cons of it

evaluate how us putting forth candidates will do anything on a national or state level.
locally yeah it will work- most states it wont work - nationwide nothing

we dont need candidates- candidates need us

if you were the ceo of a billion dollar corporation how would you assert influence on government entities?

yall want to put a black person in office but I want to put black people in power
theres a difference

 

[Makkonnen]

Yeah, it is interesting. Destroy it or make it better; you have to be inside. Same argument for the republican party or any minor party as well. On the local level, I find its a whole lot less about who you are and what you stand for than it is <u>what the voters stand for</u>.

Fools, idiots and the like that don't have their/our people at heart don't just get elected -- it takes fools, idiots and the like to cast their votes. Your and Runaway's experience may be different than mine, but what I see over and over is a lack of good candidates running <u>within the system</u> to make it better from within. They're out there -- but they avoid politics as much as informed voters avoid the booth.

QueEx

have you ever seen any politician however smart or foolish shit on or even get away with trying to shit on a large interest group?

 

[Spectrum]

Yeah, it is interesting. Destroy it or make it better; you have to be inside. Same argument for the republican party or any minor party as well. On the local level, I find its a whole lot less about who you are and what you stand for than it is <u>what the voters stand for</u>.

Fools, idiots and the like that don't have their/our people at heart don't just get elected -- it takes fools, idiots and the like to cast their votes. Your and Runaway's experience may be different than mine, but what I see over and over is a lack of good candidates running <u>within the system</u> to make it better from within. They're out there -- but they avoid politics as much as informed voters avoid the booth.
QueEx

Co-sign

 

[QueEx]

have you ever seen any politician however smart or foolish shit on or even get away with trying to shit on a large interest group?

Want to know the truth ??? YES.

Happens all the time, especially in OUR community. The problem often is, the large interest group (US) usually don't consider themselves having been shit upon. But, when we put idiots in office (and I mean many of our own), thats exactly what happens -- a large interest group gets shit upon, and the shitors gets away with it, while the shitees pay the price.

QueEx

 

[Havoc]

I don't think that either party has failed us. They do what they have always done. Get you to hate the others in their respective party and vote for them. Bidness as usual.

However, I think there are too many of us who have decided that those who have made it their mission to speak for the bulk of us, (the democrat party, jesse and al, farrakhan and the NAACP, etc.) have accepted whatever results coming from their inability to affect the changes we are looking for. Ergo, we end up huddled in a basin in New Orleans drinking foul water while those who would speak FOR us, remain safe, wealthy and dry.

Every day we sit around our tables and discuss how fucked up life is to our families, our friends and co-workers. We know what we need to make our lives better. But each time an election comes around, who frames the debate?? It ain't us. All those issues we talk about every day never makes it to the stage because the debate is always some other shit. Bush granddaddy is a Nazi, vote for me. Republicans want to take Black people back to when we were 3/5's a man, vote for me. Republicans control the weather or whatever else can scare the fuck out of us, vote for me. Republicans want to take away your food stamps, health care, medicaid etc., vote for me. Remember Bull Conner, vote for me.

Who the fuck said I was worried about any of that shit? I just talked to Raheem and he wants a tax break so he can fix his fuckin roof his damn self. Monique needs help with her school bill so she can get a better paying job. That's what they said. Not once did they mention food stamps, Nazis or Bull Conner. But this is what THEY they talk about to get us to vote for them. A vote for shit they are talking about means Raheem's roof gotta wait. Monique got to take on a second job, leaving her kids whereva to take care of the school bills. And this goes on generation, after generation and the same people are being voted into office time after time.

Just look at how the debate is shaping up already. The CIA and some shit about Skooter Libby's ability to remember shit he said years ago. HUH? A special procecutor spends millions for 2 fuckin years and all they can come up with is somebody's memory loss? I'm telling you, that shit aint' important and is going nowhere. There are people out here with real problems as well as solutions that will take money to get it done. We need to quit accepting bullshit from politicians and make those fuckers prove what they can do.

-VG

Basically. It's a "you vote for me, and watch me screw you over" kind of thing. Sadly, the average American doesn't care, as long as at least one of his ideas is being addressed by a certain party, even if none of his needs and concerns are being met. I have no need to go any further, as you've already done a great job of stating everything for me.

 

[VegasGuy]

MAK agree with you 100%, that's scary. Elitism is a plague.

What ever happen to the Covenant with Black America? That website hasn't changed since it was first put up.

It's there serving it's purpose. And sitting right in the middle of it in bright red letters:

Pledge Now!

-VG

 

[Greed]

Your and Runaway's experience may be different than mine, but what I see over and over is a lack of good candidates running within the system to make it better from within. They're out there -- but they avoid politics as much as informed voters avoid the booth.

ok, ok, i'll run.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Runaway's experience may be different than mine, but what I see over and over is a lack of good candidates running within the system to make it better from within. They're out there -- but they avoid politics as much as informed voters avoid the booth.

QueEx

That was the point of my post. I PERSONALLY am backing a
so-called "good candidate", a brotha I KNOW is about the
community and has been for over 15 years. What's more
the community knows it as well. We have had our share of
"right ons!!" and "you got my vote!!" throughout the last
elections to know when people are pulling your leg and ain't
about to support anyone, because it will cut into their
valuable quality time....


Let me say that we DID get a sizable amount of votes.....
over 3,000, but the opponent got over 8,000 most of
which were those SAME OLE "knee jerk" democrats who
will pull the lever for the party no matter who is on the
ballot. God forbid if a Klansman wins the democratic primary
we'll have a KKK mayor for sure, because people ain't
voting for the person, they are voting for the party....

And I've SEEN (with MY own eyes) how the pollsters
are pushing "party.....party.....party". If you paid
attention to the last mayoral election, the dems IN THIS
TOWN (I ain't dealing with anywhere else.....we got
enough of a panacea of black folks right here) got
together after Ferrer won the primary to form a united
democratic front to overthrow the so-called republican


What these dems failed to realize, is that Bloomberg is
a republican in NAME only and if you look at what he's
pushing, it's more attuned to what the people want.
And all kinds of people too.

I really don't give a fuck who agrees with me....I am talking
from FIRSHAND experience. Election day just happened 48
hours ago. From work we put into the COMMUNITY over the
past 20 months, I've heard all the rhetoric. All the plans....
All the "dollar a day, dollar per person" type stuff....we trying
to IMPLEMENT some of this shit. We've opened community
centers with computer training, conflict resolution, social
services on a SHOESTRING budget with NO support from
anyone.....I've answered phone calls requesting my homeboy
to do the SAME EXACT SHIT that they should be asking their
local politicians to do.....and we doing the shit.....with no
complaints. All we ask is that you say a good word to your
politician so we can keep providing this FREE service to our
people. So we can get the budget we need to stay open....
The democrats (save for Charles Barron and Virginia Fields)
would NOT look out for the community

I see a dozen people everyday who seek help, but when it
comes time to do THEIR part, they come up short. Come up
with excuses why they can't vote....can't vote?? Man, I'm
tired of typing about this shit. I'm done


peace

 

[QueEx]

we dont need a party we need an association where the interests of our people can be represented accross most barriers
see florida cubans aarp etc

Leaving the "party issue" aside, what you propose is interesting -- some kind of association (by whatever form it takes) to articulate our interest. But, that raises what I believe is a more important point: what are our interests ???

Thats a real serious question. Depending upon who you talk to, we seem to have interests that are competing with and against each other. I think Cosby made some great points and Dyson made some interesting points in response -- however, those (and the rash of other) views never seem to coagulate into something the great majority of US can agree on. No association or group can articulate to our advantage a coherent view because we don't have a consistent and coherent view.

Of course, diversity is among us -- as it exists with everything. But, we appear to be using our diversity against us. The never ending shit about you're not Black if _________; you're a sellout if you _________; you know you're a self-hater if _________; and so on, ad infinitum -- dwells at the heart of us and is more destructive to us than anything the "man" could possibly reap upon us. Until we can resolve (not necessarily solve) -- but resolve these internal conflicts, hope (but little action) is all we're left with.

Yeah, I agree with an "Association" or the like -- but not quite as you may be speaking. I think we need for enough of us, a cross section of us, to come together in a near think tank environment and resolve the destructive and counterproductive rhetoric -- and set a realistic agenda of things we need, as a people, to do. Some important things that "Association" would need to do:

- Bring enough good Black thinkers from the ghetto to academia together to engender respect and admiration among the masses of us for its agenda;

- Set and Agenda: develop ideals, i.e., family value ideals, education ideals, political ideals, etc.; and

- Operate with the gile of Madison Avenue (you can't tell most of us what to do -- as most resist being told anything (we've been told to "Buy Black" for decades -- but it doesn't happen). Those things we need to accomplish must be packaged with the slicknest of Madison Avenue ad agencies: the idea is to make the masses adopt the tenets of the agenda, almost unconsiously. I know, I know, sounds a like lot mind-control -- but if good marketing can sweep hip hop fads across a nation or cause large numbers of people of a race fall in love with certain brands of automobile, if done right, it can damn sho make FAMILY a norm; it can make education the most sought thing in our hoods; and lot more positive things a permanent feature of our psyche.

I know some will look upon this idea as radical, extreme, inhuman -- and for many reasons, it may be. But, the <u>socialization process</u> is used against us and everyone else everyday (and most don't even realize it) -- so why not harness it for our benefit ??? And, just think of the benefits.

QueEx

 

[Disanddat]

I feel we lack overall good parents so what Queex says will hold. Its amazing what a good home can do. The gangs have better spokesmen than we do (the rappers).
Also I think we have to do things the long way if we are to get far. The more Black accountants we have the more likely one will eventually own one (I mean a HUGE one). The more lawyers we have (like cochran) the more law firms we will eventually own etc.
I know I am biased but I think we need more prossionals in coming from our communities (I know there are alot but I mean we need more). That should be our first task. Second task is eventually become business owners (Law firms, Hospitals, Accounting firms,etc. )

In America right here right now, I think this is achievable despite all the obstacles.

 

[Greed]

Bush Aide Claude Allen on Domestic Policy

News & Notes with Ed Gordon, November 17, 2005 · Ed Gordon talks with Claude Allen, assistant to the president for domestic policy, about President Bush's domestic agenda. 11 min 40 sec

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5016604

 

[Greed]

Lynn Swann Says He'll Run for Pa. Governor

Lynn Swann Says He'll Run for Pa. Governor
By PETER JACKSON, Associated Press Writer
47 minutes ago

PITTSBURGH - Former Steelers star Lynn Swann declared his candidacy for Pennsylvania governor Wednesday in the city where he made his name in professional football.

He told The Associated Press in an interview Wednesday afternoon that he made up his mind to run in the fall, after spending months weighing support at events around the state.

Swann, a Hall of Fame receiver and longtime TV football commentator, faces three other candidates in seeking the Republican nomination for governor — his first run for political office. The winner of the May 16 primary would likely face Democratic Gov. Ed Rendell, who is expected to seek a second four-year term.

If successful in his first bid for political office, Swann would become Pennsylvania's first black governor. His announcement was no surprise: His political committee has been raising money for his campaign for nearly a year.

Swann, 53, planned to kick off his campaign with a Wednesday night rally in Pittsburgh, followed by appearances in five other cities Thursday and Friday.

The Steelers won four Super Bowls during Swann's nine-year pro career with the team. He has worked for ABC Sports since his retirement from football in 1983.

Swann said he put off a formal announcement until now to avoid conflicts with his ABC Sports duties.

If elected, he said he would not resume his broadcasting career even on a part-time basis. Rendell moonlights as a Philadelphia Eagles post-game analyst for Comcast SportsNet in Philadelphia.

"I think the people of Pennsylvania would rather have a governor who is committed to being there," Swann said.

Swann has so far revealed little about his political philosophy or the initiatives he would pursue as governor. He has advocated reducing certain business taxes and said he opposes abortion rights.

In independent polling, former Lt. Gov. William Scranton III and Swann are running ahead of the other two GOP candidates, but behind Rendell.

Swann said Wednesday that he hopes to convince blacks that he is a better candidate than Rendell, the former Philadelphia mayor. The Democratic Party has "taken the African American vote for granted," Swann said.

G. Terry Madonna, a pollster and professor at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, said Swann needs to convince voters that he has ideas and the leadership ability necessary to turn them into policy. He could benefit from disenchantment with the state and national governments, Madonna said.

"Voters are looking for fresh faces," Madonna said. Swann "has a personal story to tell that's compelling."

The eventual GOP nominee could get a big boost Feb. 11, when the Republican State Committee meets to consider endorsing a candidate. On Wednesday, Scranton wrote Swann to ask him to participate in several debates before the meeting. Swann said he would be happy to participate in debates.
___
On the Net:
http://www.lynnswannteam88.com

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060104...UBI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

 

[Greed]

i think it would be better for blacks to rethink why 40% of us dont vote.

 

[Irrational32]

i think we need to reconsider our allegiance to this Country.

 

[Greed]

that implies an alternative country. where are you going?

 

[Irrational32]

that implies an alternative country. where are you going?

Ghana.....

I would follow the Palestenian model and achieve A portion of land in this country (Since we built this)

Black people are a little scared right now though

 

[Greed]

interesting.

 

[nittie]

We should think about the Libertarian and Green parties because they would feel our support whereas Dems take it for granted but Democrats are still the party talking about issues that affect blacks most so leaving them would be like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Bad move.

 

[QueEx]

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