Should Blacks rethink their loyalty to the Democratic party?

nittie said:
We should think about the Libertarian and Green parties because they would feel our support whereas Dems take it for granted but Democrats are still the party talking about issues that affect blacks most so leaving them would be like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Bad move.



Democrats talk about issues that affect Blacks and working people but one could argue that they are living in the past. Whether we like it or not the middle class is disposable and people need to get ready for the new world Republicans represent. Corporate America has to compete on a global stage, they have to cut the fat to open new markets or collapse, Democrat issues like health care, pensions, social security, the environment impede business and will likely fall by the wayside, Blacks should continue to fight for their benefits and vote democrat but it will probably be a losing battle.
 
nittie said:
We should think about the Libertarian and Green parties because they would feel our support whereas Dems take it for granted but Democrats are still the party talking about issues that affect blacks most so leaving them would be like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Bad move.


I disagree, and no I am not a black republican. Look at some key points.

1. No president of whom was a democrat has ever appointed any black to any high government position even though they supposedly are a party of the minority.

2. Clinton cut funding for many social programs which greatly affected black communities.

3. You have a bunch of white rich fucks running around telling blacks they feel their pain and know whats good for them. If you aint from the hood and you grew up with millions in the bank account in the suburbs going to private school how do you know what its like for a black man from Brownsville or South Central.

4. Go back and look at the Democratic party, how far have blacks REALLY advanced with their help? Your life today compared to even 2 or 3 years ago, what has the democratic party done specifically that changed your life for the better?

5. Democrats know they have the black vote because they use the race card. They say republicans hate blacks, and are southern racists, but what party was it, that tried to keep slavery? What party was the one that didnt want blacks to have equal rights during the 60's?

Bottom line I'm not advocating voting Republican, but voting Democrat hasnt done shit for blacks period.

Blacks need to get out of the mentality the Democrats brainwashed them with and thats to depend on them to get things done for Blacks. Blacks need to depend on themselves first, and if blacks come out in record numbers to vote, and dont vote democrat, mutha fuckas gonna see they need to up their game or they are fucked.
 
No, there is no other choice. Unfortunately, we only have 2 polictical parties in America and in no way should a black person vote Republican, in fact no middle-class person should vote Republican.

The GOP is the party of big business and the wealthy. Of this there is no doubt, if a person cannot see this, it's no use to try and show them. I'm not saying that they don't have any influence over the Democrats also but not as much. The GOP only cares about the wealthiest 2 percent of the population. The question is how do you get another 49 percent to vote against their best interest? I've said it only this board before and I'll say it again, the average white person who votes Republican does so because he believes it to be the anti-black party. It is insulting to my intelligence to tell me that 80 percent of the white males in Alabama or Mississippi have a better understanding of supply-side economics than the 90 percent of college professors or economists who vote Democrat. Whenever I overhear a white person talking about being a Republican, it always comes down to affirmative action and their tax dollars going to welfare. Those idiots are willing to bite their noses off to spite their face. They deserve whatever they get.

We need to work to change the Democratic party to better serve us but not voting or voting Republican is stupid.
 
MixMan said:
I disagree, and no I am not a black republican. Look at some key points.

:confused:

MixMan said:
1. No president of whom was a democrat has ever appointed any black to any high government position even though they supposedly are a party of the minority.

That's a weak arguement.

MixMan said:
2. Clinton cut funding for many social programs which greatly affected black communities.

So did reagan, so did bush I, so did bush II. The clinton reference is a republican talking point.

MixMan said:
3. You have a bunch of white rich fucks running around telling blacks they feel their pain and know whats good for them. If you aint from the hood and you grew up with millions in the bank account in the suburbs going to private school how do you know what its like for a black man from Brownsville or South Central.

That is a bi partisan statement you made


MixMan said:
4. Go back and look at the Democratic party, how far have blacks REALLY advanced with their help? Your life today compared to even 2 or 3 years ago, what has the democratic party done specifically that changed your life for the better?

Another republican talking point.
2 or 3 years ago, the republicans were in control. how could they have done anything.

MixMan said:
5. Democrats know they have the black vote because they use the race card. They say republicans hate blacks, and are southern racists, but what party was it, that tried to keep slavery? What party was the one that didnt want blacks to have equal rights during the 60's?

Okay, were you currently watching fox or listening to rush ....

MixMan said:
Bottom line I'm not advocating voting Republican, but voting Democrat hasnt done shit for blacks period.

Blacks need to get out of the mentality the Democrats brainwashed them with and thats to depend on them to get things done for Blacks. Blacks need to depend on themselves first, and if blacks come out in record numbers to vote, and dont vote democrat, mutha fuckas gonna see they need to up their game or they are fucked.

Voting hasn't done shit for blacks.


Word of advice to you and others. Unfortunately today's society has washington in a quagmire. If you are going to play the political game play it right. My uncle(8 figures) and clients (7 to 8 figures) (people and business owners who make contributions) always say,

"Make sure you have friends on both sides of the aisle."

If you play the game play it right. Beware, they are several generations ahead of playing the game. The "ones" in control are playing the "ones that get caught up in the debate."


Be easy
 
rude_dog said:
No, there is no other choice. Unfortunately, we only have 2 polictical parties in America and in no way should a black person vote Republican, in fact no middle-class person should vote Republican.

The GOP is the party of big business and the wealthy. Of this there is no doubt, if a person cannot see this, it's no use to try and show them. I'm not saying that they don't have any influence over the Democrats also but not as much. The GOP only cares about the wealthiest 2 percent of the population. The question is how do you get another 49 percent to vote against their best interest? I've said it only this board before and I'll say it again, the average white person who votes Republican does so because he believes it to be the anti-black party. It is insulting to my intelligence to tell me that 80 percent of the white males in Alabama or Mississippi have a better understanding of supply-side economics than the 90 percent of college professors or economists who vote Democrat. Whenever I overhear a white person talking about being a Republican, it always comes down to affirmative action and their tax dollars going to welfare. Those idiots are willing to bite their noses off to spite their face. They deserve whatever they get.

We need to work to change the Democratic party to better serve us but not voting or voting Republican is stupid.

It is stupid for you to say that "we need to change the Democrat Party" when you know dayum good and well people have been saying that Bull Shit for years and nothing has changed.

All they care about is increasing the numbers of Illegal Mexican-Central American Immigrants coming into this Country, preventing competitive Business growth, not improving education for poor people, not using our tax money for the infrastructure the we need(More Highways, Transit, and Road Widening), etc.

If they cared soo much about the Black community they would have made it their #1 effort to improve/Revitalize older Urban Cities like Baltimore, Camden, Newark, Detroit, Richmond, etc.

If they care so much about the Black Community then why are their government is pushing Blacks out of the inner city forcing them to live in the suburbs which is also expensive.
 
MixMan said:
I disagree, and no I am not a black republican. Look at some key points.

1. No president of whom was a democrat has ever appointed any black to any high government position even though they supposedly are a party of the minority.

2. Clinton cut funding for many social programs which greatly affected black communities.

3. You have a bunch of white rich fucks running around telling blacks they feel their pain and know whats good for them. If you aint from the hood and you grew up with millions in the bank account in the suburbs going to private school how do you know what its like for a black man from Brownsville or South Central.

4. Go back and look at the Democratic party, how far have blacks REALLY advanced with their help? Your life today compared to even 2 or 3 years ago, what has the democratic party done specifically that changed your life for the better?

5. Democrats know they have the black vote because they use the race card. They say republicans hate blacks, and are southern racists, but what party was it, that tried to keep slavery? What party was the one that didnt want blacks to have equal rights during the 60's?

Bottom line I'm not advocating voting Republican, but voting Democrat hasnt done shit for blacks period.

Blacks need to get out of the mentality the Democrats brainwashed them with and thats to depend on them to get things done for Blacks. Blacks need to depend on themselves first, and if blacks come out in record numbers to vote, and dont vote democrat, mutha fuckas gonna see they need to up their game or they are fucked.

JMO but Blacks should start thinking about ways to organize our community and keep our money in it. If you look at the Cuban community in Florida and the influence they have on national politics it's obvious what a organized Black community can do.
 
nittie said:
JMO but Blacks should start thinking about ways to organize our community and keep our money in it. If you look at the Cuban community in Florida and the influence they have on national politics it's obvious what a organized Black community can do.

But of course this won't happen until we stop tearing each other down to supposedly build ourselves up. There's no "community" without "unity". And there damn sure isn't any unity at this point in time. :hmm:
 
Winchesta Heat said:
But of course this won't happen until we stop tearing each other down to supposedly build ourselves up. There's no "community" without "unity". And there damn sure isn't any unity at this point in time. :hmm:



I wouldn't say we don't have unity 98% of us vote democrat, 98% of us are baptist you don't get more unified than that, what we don't have is economic unity and we deal with the emotional fallout like envy, self-hatred etc.
 
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[hide]The Year of the Black Republican?
GOP Targets Democratic Constituency in 3 High-Profile Races

By Dan Balz and Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, May 10, 2006; Page A01

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- When J. Kenneth Blackwell took the stage here on May 2 to claim the Republican nomination for governor, he became something more than his party's standard-bearer in a bellwether state.

The Ohio secretary of state -- a crusading conservative with an appetite for political combat -- also assumed a leading role in his party's latest effort to break the Democrats' decades-long grip on the black vote.

Blackwell, who will face Democratic Rep. Ted Strickland in November, is now the third prominent African American on a statewide Republican ballot this fall. In Maryland, Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele, whose candidacy has benefited from his friendship with two Republican National Committee chairmen, is the party's nominee to fill the seat of retiring Democratic Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes. In Pennsylvania, former Pittsburgh Steelers star Lynn Swann is challenging Democratic Gov. Edward G. Rendell.

Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal first brought African Americans into the Democratic coalition in the 1930s, and Lyndon B. Johnson's 1960s support for civil rights legislation cemented their allegiance. In the subsequent four decades, Republicans have seen their presidential candidates win a dwindling share of the black vote. It hit bottom in 2000, when George W. Bush managed to garner just 8 percent of the votes of African Americans.

It is that formidable history that Blackwell, Steele and Swann are trying to overcome.

The three are running on similar platforms of lower taxes, smaller government, and opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage, but they come to their contests with different credentials. Blackwell has a long résumé in elective office and conservative causes. Steele is a former state party chairman but has never been elected on his own. Swann is a true political novice, albeit one with the star quality of a Hall of Fame wide receiver.

All three begin as underdogs. Independent polls have shown Steele starting the campaign as much as 15 points behind the Democratic front-runner. Blackwell trailed by 10 percentage points in a pre-primary Mason-Dixon poll for the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Swann trails Rendell in the polls and has lost ground since entering the race earlier this year.

All three black candidates face significant obstacles. In heavily Democratic Maryland, Steele must win a big share of the black vote in a state where African Americans account for 28 percent of the population, almost three times the percentages in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Swann must overcome rookie mistakes that have plagued his campaign in the early months. Blackwell is running into head winds created by GOP scandals in Ohio and by lingering resentment in the African American community over voting problems in the 2004 election, which he oversaw as secretary of state.

Together, they embody a new chapter in the Republican Party's often-failed efforts to appeal to African Americans, a strategy shaped by RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman, who last year apologized for the GOP's Nixon-era "Southern strategy" of exploiting white resentment over integration.

"We've gone from a model of outreach to a model of inclusion," Mehlman said. "Outreach is a top-down approach. Inclusion says, 'Let's find some really good people and encourage them to run for office.' "

Republicans such as Mehlman say it will take more than one political cycle to change the habits of African American voters, and some Democrats say it will take more than a few attractive black Republican candidates to overcome GOP positions -- on affirmative action and other issues -- that many blacks view as anathema to their interests.

Still, some Democrats say the GOP's investment in high-profile black candidates represents a strategy that cannot be dismissed lightly. "It cuts into the Democratic base," said Columbus Mayor Michael B. Coleman. "It gives choices. And what that does is say to the Democratic Party, 'Put your money where your mouth is.' "

The Grooming of Steele

Though all three African American candidates are breaking fresh ground for the Republican Party, it is Steele who has been the most aggressively groomed and recruited. This is due in part to a longtime friendship with former RNC chairman Ed Gillespie and to Mehlman's Baltimore roots.

Tall, elegant and disarmingly direct, the 47-year-old Georgetown Law graduate left a struggling consulting business in the late 1990s to become the chairman of the Maryland Republican Party. In 2002, Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. tapped him to be his running mate, and Steele became the first black person elected to statewide office in Maryland.

At the 2004 Republican National Convention, Steele was handed a prime-time speaking role and a seat in Vice President Cheney's box. Last year, when Sarbanes announced that he would retire, a succession of party luminaries, including President Bush, called to urge Steele to join the race.

He and the governor spent hours agonizing over the decision. Steele said he did not want to run an un-winnable race just to make a point.

"I had a very long and frank conversation with the leadership of the Republican Party," Steele said Friday. "I told them: 'This has to be real. This can't be tokenism.' "

High-level support followed quickly. Just weeks into Steele's candidacy, the president and top aides, including Karl Rove and Andrew H. Card Jr., have hosted fundraisers for him. Gillespie, the campaign's national finance chairman, held a $100,000 event at his home. Since October, Steele has raised more than $2.6 million.

Four years ago, post-election analyses showed the Ehrlich-Steele ticket winning 10 to 15 percent of the black vote, which did not represent a gain for the GOP. In this campaign, Steele has a strategy that includes outreach to African American business leaders and frequent appearances at predominantly black churches.

Last week, he visited the Hope Christian Church in Lanham. Steele stood comfortably at the pulpit, recalling the religious teachings he soaked up in the three years he spent as an Augustinian friar, studying for the priesthood.

He seemed eager to enter the debate over same-sex marriage, which has cross appeal among Republicans and blacks. Calling marriage "a covenant between one man and one woman," he told the group of about 100 ministers: "This is the way it's always been and always should be. What part of this don't people understand?"

Steele is generally cautious with his references to the Republican Party, although he says that is because most people know his political affiliation. When he announced his candidacy before a boisterous crowd in Prince George's County, the nation's most affluent majority-black suburb, he did not once mention his GOP affiliation. Instead, he described himself as a "bridge" between the parties.

Leonardo Alcivar, a communications specialist who worked for Steele's campaign and is now working for Swann, said there is a key distinction between the way the two men are running. "We don't have to shy away from being Republican in the way Michael does," he said.

Democrats will not select their nominee until September, but polls have shown Steele trailing both Rep. Benjamin L. Cardin (D-Md.) and former NAACP president Kweisi Mfume. If Cardin becomes the nominee, Steele is likely to seek to exploit any disappointment within the black community over Mfume's defeat.

Blackwell's Challenge

Blackwell, 58, is a former mayor of Cincinnati and a former Ohio treasurer. He was the first African American to be elected statewide, in 1994. He said he sees himself as an agent for creating more competition for the black vote. "I thought it was in the interest of the African American community to reconstruct a competitive two-party system," he said.

Last week, he won a nasty primary against Ohio Attorney General Jim Petro, casting himself as less tied than his opponent to the tarnished administration of GOP Gov. Bob Taft. His challenge now will be to try to distance himself from the scandals that have driven Taft's poll numbers into the teens, while uniting the party.

Blackwell proudly trumpets his ideology and is staunchly conservative on both economic and social issues. His election would change the character of a state Republican Party long dominated by the more moderate business wing rather than by social conservatives.

Blackwell championed the successful 2004 ballot initiative to ban same-sex marriage in Ohio, a position that could attract support from both white evangelicals and African Americans. This year, he is promoting a state constitutional amendment that would impose tight spending limitations on state and local governments. Local government officials from both parties are opposed.

Strickland said Blackwell has the potential to cut into the black vote in November. He stressed that he will not take African Americans for granted.

Black Democratic mayors are now pressing Strickland and state Rep. Chris Redfern, the party chairman, for commitments to an urban agenda as the price for their endorsement.

Republicans have made clear gains among Latino voters in the past decade, but their efforts to attract African American votes have met continued resistance. One reason, according to Dianne M. Pinderhughes, a political scientist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, is the bond between blacks and the Democratic Party created by the civil rights battles of the 1960s, for which there has been no Hispanic equivalent.

For Latinos, "there wasn't a major event, like the legislation of the 1960s that Lyndon Johnson or the Democratic Party were involved in that brought blacks into Democratic Party in large numbers and led to partisan identification for a whole generation," she said.

That bond has proved difficult for Republicans to break. But Democratic strategists respect the Republicans' willingness to look over the horizon and make the investments that could change old patterns.

"The Republicans have a longer-term view of things than we Democrats sometimes have," said Cornell Belcher, the Democratic National Committee's pollster.

If anything, the hurdles facing Republicans today are higher, given the paltry support for Bush among blacks -- numbers that have worsened in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

But these campaigns are not just about victory, said David Bositis of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies.

In a Democratic stronghold such as Maryland, he said, "if they saw an increase of 5 percent of the black vote, I think, they would figure they had died and gone to heaven."

Mosk reported from Maryland. Political researcher Zachary A. Goldfarb and research database editor Derek Willis contributed to this report.

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it will be interesting just like the 2004 races where the black republicans lost because they didnt get the black vote.
 
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Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
By James O'Toole
Wednesday, May 31, 2006


Lynn Swann teamed up with an old Cleveland Browns fan yesterday as he crossed the state in a series of appearances with former Gov. and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge.

Mr. Swann, who trails his November opponent, Gov. Ed Rendell, in cash and poll numbers, showcased the endorsement from the last Republican elected governor of Pennsylvania, in media events and fund-raising receptions in five cities, including a stop at the Pittsburgh Airport Marriott.

Mr. Ridge predicted that his would-be successor would overcome those campaign deficits with "the boldest and broadest and most extensive reform agenda that anyone's talked about in a long time."

He said that voters would find convincing arguments in the challenger's proposal to replace the property tax assessment system, and his embrace of proposals to shrink the Legislature.

While some former Republican chief executives had endorsed Mr. Swann's one-time rival, former Lt. Gov. Bill Scranton early in the GOP race, Mr. Ridge had remained neutral before Mr. Swann locked up the nomination. His former chief aide, Mark Holman, however, was an early supporter of the former Steelers receiver.

Mr. Swann lags far behind the incumbent in fund raising. Mr. Ridge said he could help in that department although neither expects to be able to match the receipts of the most successful fund-raiser in the state's history.

"I told Lynn I'll help you however I can; if some of it's fund raising, fine," Mr. Ridge said. "I'd like to sit in on some of your policy sessions, I'd like to sit in on some of your political strategy sessions, but this is a Swann v. Rendell race; he doesn't need too much advice from me."

One political tactic Mr. Swann has repeatedly employed is his criticism of the Democrat for signing the controversial, since rescinded state pay raise last summer.

Mr. Ridge, who, like Mr. Rendell, opposed pay raise proposals during his first campaign for governor, also reversed himself and ended up signing one. Both Republicans sought to distinguish the two actions.

"The process for signing the pay raise for Tom Ridge was entirely different from Ed Rendell, the reasonings. It was in the open, was in the clear, people knew what was going on," Mr. Swann insisted.

On another issue, Swann aides denied a report that they had failed to file required fund-raising disclosures in the final days of the Republican's uncontested primary campaign. Lenny Alcivar, Mr. Swann's communications director, denied the lapse, first reported in the Philadelphia Inquirer, and said that the campaign would be able to demonstrate that it had faxed notices of the late contributions to the state.

From Pittsburgh, the GOP team was to fly on to Erie, Mr. Ridge's hometown, where in his youth, the NFL team playing a few miles down the Lake Erie coast commanded strong local allegiance. Reminded of that history, Mr. Rendell protested, "I'm a born-again Steelers fan -- don't lay that on me."

(Politics Editor James O'Toole can be reached at jotoole@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1562. )


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geechiedan said:
Its a weak party with weak candidates now and any progresses for blacks specifically that were made were done 35-40 years ago and they take our vote for granted (and the republicans don't expect it) making any swing impact meaningless.

Should blacks as a people continue to vote democrat en masse?
i think we should....i was just lookin at the race down here in fla for gov and they had a topic for minorities...and both of the candidates gave vague answers..but as a black male i feel that these people dont speak to me, so what do i do? im just as confused w/ the dem. as w/ the rep. it seems as if they are talking to white people and hispanics which is fucked up because we have no say in shit..
 
ajc921 said:
... i feel that these people dont speak to me ... it seems as if they are talking to white people and hispanics which is fucked up because we have no say in shit..
What do you see the important issues being ???


QueEx
 
you gotta remember one republican controlled congress spent 50 mill going after a president 8 yrs. ago caught him getting his peter polished, put it in the news, jumped on the morality band wagon and rode on the backs of chuches in the U.S. [some of them black churches] right into the white house. best 50 mill. spent huh.
 
VegasGuy said:
I don't think that either party has failed us. They do what they have always done. Get you to hate the others in their respective party and vote for them. Bidness as usual.

However, I think there are too many of us who have decided that those who have made it their mission to speak for the bulk of us, (the democrat party, jesse and al, farrakhan and the NAACP, etc.) have accepted whatever results coming from their inability to affect the changes we are looking for. Ergo, we end up huddled in a basin in New Orleans drinking foul water while those who would speak FOR us, remain safe, wealthy and dry.

Every day we sit around our tables and discuss how fucked up life is to our families, our friends and co-workers. We know what we need to make our lives better. But each time an election comes around, who frames the debate?? It ain't us. All those issues we talk about every day never makes it to the stage because the debate is always some other shit. Bush granddaddy is a Nazi, vote for me. Republicans want to take Black people back to when we were 3/5's a man, vote for me. Republicans control the weather or whatever else can scare the fuck out of us, vote for me. Republicans want to take away your food stamps, health care, medicaid etc., vote for me. Remember Bull Conner, vote for me.

Who the fuck said I was worried about any of that shit? I just talked to Raheem and he wants a tax break so he can fix his fuckin roof his damn self. Monique needs help with her school bill so she can get a better paying job. That's what they said. Not once did they mention food stamps, Nazis or Bull Conner. But this is what THEY they talk about to get us to vote for them. A vote for shit they are talking about means Raheem's roof gotta wait. Monique got to take on a second job, leaving her kids whereva to take care of the school bills. And this goes on generation, after generation and the same people are being voted into office time after time.

Just look at how the debate is shaping up already. The CIA and some shit about Skooter Libby's ability to remember shit he said years ago. HUH? A special procecutor spends millions for 2 fuckin years and all they can come up with is somebody's memory loss? I'm telling you, that shit aint' important and is going nowhere. There are people out here with real problems as well as solutions that will take money to get it done. We need to quit accepting bullshit from politicians and make those fuckers prove what they can do.

-VG

Yeah, I think the issues of Black America and poor america are not being addressed by the majority of politicians on either side of the line...

I seriously think we need to reconsider our leaders, NOI, NAACP, BCC, and try to find those who have less to lose concerning approval and dollars, since the cointelpro days, we just haven't had any real leaders willing to organize around our stance...if we did, I would go with the idea of another political party, but right now, that would just be a black party with black wolves at the helm waiting to feast on sheep...

We need a new body of power, the old ones have been placed on the stock market...



YBO
 
geechiedan said:
Should blacks as a people continue to vote democrat en masse?

^^^Is Bush white?

I would vote for a dog (if it was a democrat), before I'll ever vote republican..!

African Americans and the kkk(for that matter: rednecks, religious zealots) does not belong in the SAME party.

The GOP or grand ol party = "good ol boys"

geechiedan,
the dems give us a chance---we're FAMILIAR with them.
How many blacks caucus with the gop in the congress or senate? NON..!
 
UltimateLurker said:
^^^Is Bush white?

I would vote for a dog (if it was a democrat), before I'll ever vote republican..!

African Americans and the kkk(for that matter: rednecks, religious zealots) does not belong in the SAME party.

The GOP or grand ol party = "good ol boys"

geechiedan,
the dems give us a chance---we're FAMILIAR with them.
How many blacks caucus with the gop in the congress or senate? NON..!

there's more than two parties.. as impossible as it seems we should try to think in 3 dimensions rather than just 2...
 
democrats are dumb,
republicans are evil...
you guys touch on everything esle, i thought i'de add a little simplicity to the debate........sometimes you have to vote the lesser of two evils... :cool:
 
Jay4ya said:
democrats are dumb,
republicans are evil...
you guys touch on everything esle, i thought i'de add a little simplicity to the debate........sometimes you have to vote the lesser of two evils... :cool:

Thats one of the oldest cop outs to CON people to support white democrats.
 
elexington1989 said:
Thats one of the oldest cop outs to CON people to support white democrats.
I think his point was VOTE. Sometimes the candidates are not who you would like, hence, sometimes you have to vote for a person that doesn't exactly share all of your views, but the other alternative could be worse.

QueEx
 
I think his point was VOTE. Sometimes the candidates are not who you would like, hence, sometimes you have to vote for a person that doesn't exactly share all of your views, but the other alternative could be worse.

QueEx

Is this in reference to Voting for candidate(s) in certain political parties or Voting for the Individual Candidate(s) Regardless of Political Parties just as long as the candidate(s) is of lessor evil than the opposing candidate(s)??????????:confused:
 
Interesting views.

Both parties have failed us. We need to look elsewhere.

I don't understand people who claim a party, and that's it no other option nothing.

Is their a party out there for us, I personally don't think so?

You should look at individuals who hold the same views as you, instead of whole parties.

Only the weak minded look in absolute...
 
Do you support the Democratic Party?

http://www.democrats.org/

It seems to me that a lot of the posters on here would prefer another party and just happen to be stuck with the Dems.

Do you consider yourself a proud Dem? Why, why not?

And if you're iffy about it, what policies make you feel that way about the party?
 
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