Seriously, who can really outflow Canibus

Legacyns said:
Well, Kool G did kill it w/ Nas on Fast Life tho..

yo dont get it twisted, canibus is ill, but he doesnt freestyle. all that shit is written. when i use to work nights, all i use to listen to was this canibus mixtape. over and over, and if anyone has one similar, you will see what he uses the same lyrics over and over again..

But he does put shit together nasty!

there are alot of people i can that i know are as good, but i just cant think of them off the top of my head.
Plus cnaibus is awesome at one liners, but he cant tell a story like eminem or biggie.. or like this canibus diss from eminem.. not only is that shit tight, its funny, which what i like about his diss songs..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-m6cPkXWUI
 
Nobody.

We're talking freestyle here.

Nobody.

Not Rakim, not G. Rap, not Genius, Monch, no one comes to mind.

BTW, notice that he never cussed?
 
John_Gault said:
All you kats are str8 Trippin'

Canibus is nice (but TOO much worthless word play). . . but he failed to best several cats on the same track . .Plus, he's a ONE TRICK PONY of the Battle Rhyme variety.

Pharoahe Monche got the better of him on "Internal affairs." :yes:

Killa Priest eats that dudes LUNCH ALL DAY, and so does Rass Kass :yes:

AND, we haven't even gotten to the realest critically thinking MC (not rapper).

Any Canibus song bites dirt up against this guy . . . .

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Besides Kool G Rap, I haven't HEARD anyone colder than the GZA

JG


Co sign!!

Let me add to the List ELZHI
 
Just to let me peeks know. It's rumour in the underground hacking world that Canibus is one of the most elite hacker on the internet goes by the name ICE 9. He has done work for FBI, and the CIA. he graduated from Fort Knox and began working as a reconnaissance specialist, so the brother got skills..just let ya know.
 
Canibus doesn't freestyle.
He recites what ever he writes and makes you think it's a freestyle.


Lyrically he's ill but here are a few others:

Sage Francis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdzFhBtxW0A
THIS DUDE IS A FUCKING POET WITH A MIC and a battle Legend.

Cage ( the dude whose style eminem stole and ran with )
Copywrite
Jaki the motermouth
aesop rock

" easter conference all star remix " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL9IA1_iv00
copywrite " I shine behind bars like jamal barrow "
Cage" my baby momma's toldm my daughter to ask for paper/ told her disney world blew up so i didnt have to take her " cold.....

Tone deff
necro
Gza
Redman
Andre 3000
MF Doom
slug
Dell the funky homosapien
Mic kill ( a former internet emcee now turned producer )
Ill chris ( this whiteboy should be the punchline king )
deacon ( a kentucky rapper with madddddd flow )
Goku


man there are so many rappers who are known to be better than bis
back in the days when mp3.com was still up and popping.

Btw if you listen to eminem's earlier songs you'll hear him refer to " cage "
" I bought cage his tape and dubbed over it "

eminem still wakes up at 2 am breaking out on cold sweat over that " the illest 4 letter word ( C.A.G.E ) " that cage dropped on him.
 
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i can't believe yall questioning canibus
he own that battle s#!t

freestyle=canibus

for all you niggas saying my s#!t is sick.
just imagine, there's 90 percent of my brain that i aint even use yet.
take a deep breath quick, suck in as much air as my lungs will permit
then i start to kick that s#!t.
i been getting busy before the planet started to turn
before the bees and birds, and adam and eve occurred
prior to all creation in other words
when the female egg would merge with the mans sperm
i stand firm my words burn through your exterior.
to eat away at your interior, i,m superior

battle wise .....he has no competition
 
ICEBURG SLIM said:
Kool G Rap, Crooked I, Canibus, Eminem have came with the illest Flows ever on the mic....

Yall better peep that Crooked I dude, yeah I said it, that Nigga from the West and he's the Truth.

If DOC hadnt lost his voice, he woulda became one of the coldest.
But you young muthafuckas wouldnt know about that. You would have to listen to the whispers coming outt his mouth on Helter Skelter to know what Im talking about.



C/S Andre3000 is cold nicca's just don't know understand!
 
That aesop rock shit was bullshit. Stringing lines together to mean nothing. Shit is wakk.

Stringing lines together at random/
with a voice like 40 water tipsy/
I'm the best lyricist/
or at least i'm better than that craka sounding hippy/
what the fukks up/
using words with four syllables dont make you smart/
talking bout "deoxygenating the lyrical spoon"
what the fukk you trynnuh start?
I don't get it./
he wakk and yet you put him up here with can-i/
on the same page with kool g rap?
is you crazy, deaf, or just anti-/hip hop/
trynnuh confuse us that cause its different, its better/
I'd rather hear snap music/ this is sooo far from clever/

Quoted from 2Pac's new freestyle album "Play me on your Ipod-2007" hahaha.

naw but yall confused me with the aesop rock and sage francis. thats some cracka ass shit that sukks. my opinion...
 
Canibus is defintely one of the illest to ever touch the mic. Only ones I can see fucking with him on that level is GZA, Ras Kass, Pharoah Monch and Eminem(people really underrate how creative dude is). But I think true Canibus fans will agree that 2000 B.C is one of the most underrated albums ever released and is what we were hoping his first album would be
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Are you all only considering East coasters??

I think those Hieroglyphics folk from Oakland were -are much better than Canibus, you all should try to find "third Eye Vision" circa 2002 I think.
 
I've always liked 'Bis...but I'll take Eminem over him anyday of the week...he's just as sick with more versatility.
 
poppysan said:
That aesop rock shit was bullshit. Stringing lines together to mean nothing. Shit is wakk.

naw but yall confused me with the aesop rock and sage francis. thats some cracka ass shit that sukks. my opinion...

If you can't follow a string of abstract metaphors, say that.
The Aesop shit I posted is lyricism.

'Stringing lines together to mean nothing' --- ????

You really don't get what this means?


Is it on, is it beyond basic
Does it ice grill you or is every song faceless?
Does it have a title? If didn't would you name it?
Does it babble about nothing like a drunken atheist?
We could run that Orwell '84 war
For the room 101 detour
Where each client fidgets with his or her own worst fear specifics
Swerve around the cobra kisses
See if the venom overloads this vision
I'm going to suck the poison out and spit it
Stole my sneakers but your feat just never fit in
Serves you right for trying to walk a mile outside your limits
I'm going to tiptoe across this yo-yo string
Until you walk the dog out from under my feet and skip town, sit down



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Sleep if you want
my crew will help you get your Zs
 
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John_Gault said:
All you kats are str8 Trippin'

Canibus is nice (but TOO much worthless word play). . . but he failed to best several cats on the same track . .Plus, he's a ONE TRICK PONY of the Battle Rhyme variety.

Pharoahe Monche got the better of him on "Internal affairs." :yes:

Killa Priest eats that dudes LUNCH ALL DAY, and so does Rass Kass :yes:

AND, we haven't even gotten to the realest critically thinking MC (not rapper).

Any Canibus song bites dirt up against this guy . . . .

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Besides Kool G Rap, I haven't HEARD anyone colder than the GZA

JG


CO SIGN!!!!!!
To me Pharoahe is beyond ridiculous and I hold GZA in that light also. Bis is cool but regular niggas is not feelin that wordy shit plus is style is dumb ass boring. Doesn't matter how cold you are with the vocab if you can't write real shit that the masses can feel. Oh yeah, Kool G would eat this clown anyday....
 
I remember LL Cool J shattered this nigga back in the day. This dude sucks ass...talkin' 'bout lizards playin' ping pong on Jupiter and shit...shittiest emcee of all time....
 
blacktrace said:
I remember LL Cool J shattered this nigga back in the day. This dude sucks ass...talkin' 'bout lizards playin' ping pong on Jupiter and shit...shittiest emcee of all time....
Most ignorant reply in this entire thread.
 
After his parents, Basil and Elaine Williams, divorced, Williams moved to the United States with his mother at the age of thirteen. His first new home was The Bronx, where he found an interest in the hip-hop culture, beatboxing, breakdancing and rap music. Due to his mother's job he was often forced to move, living in Washington, D.C., Miami, Florida, Buffalo, New York, England (where his mother originated from), Atlanta, Georgia and New Jersey. This constant movement limited his ability to make friends and turned him into something of a recluse.[1] Williams graduated from high school in 1992 and went on to work for AT&T and the US Department of Justice as a data analyst. It was at this time that Williams became highly interested in the Internet. Having developed this interest in computers and the Internet, he studied computer science at DeKalb Community College (now Georgia Perimeter College) in Atlanta.
:eek: bus is just a different breed of rapper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canibus
 
Back in '97 my boy (who worked at Universal Records) at the time gave me an Erykah Badu CD and a "Beasts from the Easts" single and wanted me to listen to it so I can familiarize myself with this dude named "Canibus" 'cause he wanted me to be introduced to dude.

I slept on it and bumped the Badu CD. When I was reminded to listen to the Beasts tape, I popped it in and was like WHAT?!! Canibus and I spoke after that and I designed his "C" logo. Then his website. Then later, he asked me to go on tour with him (Smokin' Grooves '98). I quit my job and took the risk. We toured for 5 weeks that hot ass summer. We chilled on some website shit for 2-3 years or so.

I'll tell you... This dude is HIP HOP. He's also a computer nerd. I don't know about all that FBI/CIA shit someone was talking about, but 'Bis rhymes because he loves to do it. It's not for $$, it's for respect and the fact it's in his blood. He DOES freestyle too. Although a lot of what you hear is memorized verses pieced together in different sequences, the dude can rip it from the top.

I haven't spoken to him for years, but I have spoken with his brother, Baz on MySpace. I'll always respect Canibus 'cause he respects Hip-Hop. Like Rakim and Kool G. Rap, at the time, Canibus raised the bar in the artform lyrically. Plus, if it wasn't for him taking me on that tour, I wouldn't have succeeded in building my business the way I did since I met many connects.

...............

There will always be a "next" rapper especially in these days of pure shit. But 'Bis stands alone where he is. Now, as for FLOW? No one can outflow Rakim. Peep "The 18th Letter" single and find someone who has a better flow. Dude sounds like water.

-Zod
 
I just got into Canibus about four months ago... I knew him mainly from going back and forth with Eminem, but I was never really too much into his stuff. I think LL clearly beat him-- Bis is the better lyricist, but LL got him with that 99% shit and he was damn right about the one hit wonder tag, and Back Where I Belong was vicious (even though it speaks against LL's character if true)-- and I thought that Stan Lives shit sounded incredibly lame. Honestly, and I know nobody is going to agree with me, I keep seeing Royce Da 5'9" brought up in this thread and I don't think he's on Canibus's level; I don't think Royce was on the same level as Proof from D12. (Don't talk shit unless you've heard at least some of his solo shit-- Neil Armstrong, Ali, Forgive Me, City of Boom, y un shitload mas.) Royce is good, don't get me wrong, but I'm surprised to see him get love on that level.
That said, the dude is an absolutely incredible lyricist. While you guys are comparing him on songs with other rappers, "I'll Buss 'Em, You Punish Em" with Rakim shows him besting one of the best ever:
On some battling shit my verbal lateral grip
Keeps my tongue glued to the A-Dat when I'm trackin' 'em swift
Let my spit lubricate the chap on my lips
And make you rappers have fits 'cause I'm back in the mix
Although the very next line sums up how Canibus missed the boat with his career:
Forget a pad and a pen, I write rhymes on an IBM
Ebonics is dead, and binary language is in
Yeah, way to spot a trend, 'Bis...
Seriously, I'm enjoying the hell out of this guy's rhymes. I'm 21, sick of damn near all rap on the radio (the land where Bow Wow gets more play than Nas; it's all Justin Timberlake and Jay-Z/Rhianna shit) and I've been listening to a lot of older stuff and Canibus is my favorite to listen to right now.
I still think some of his stuff is bullshit-- somebody mentioned Mathematically Aware with Common; check what three squared is and tell me if that fucking song makes any sense (not trying to be picky, but if you're gonna constantly brag about how smart you are, you can't be lazy/dumb with what you put out there)-- but you can't hang him with that line Jay-Z used about Nas's complicated lines. Check out this link if you want to see the basis for some of his lines:
http://www.canibus-central.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1621&st=0
For instance, this line:
Couldn’t understand what I mean by ill
Unless you try to translate what I print to film
This is the line of real/reel
The circle of time
The cycle of eternity
The emergence of one line
is explained in the first post... I've really been playing the hell out of that song, so its cool to see some of the meanings I didn't catch. I also had to look up that David Hume shit, I thought that line was bullshit but it was actually pretty witty.

faster than 12-cylinder engines with nitrogen in 'em
faster than F-1 McLaren pistons
Fast enough to give your brain an aneurysm
cause you niggaz is slower than fat bitches metabolism
Damn! Maybe my favorite Bis punchline.

Hey, who's cooler, Cool J or Steven Jay Gould?
Every warrior has an axe to bury
but he has to learn to discern between enemy and adversary
I said to myself, "Germaine this is insane
It's suicide, its controlled flight into terrain"
I fought to regain, control of the plane, but went up in a ball of flames
and got banned from the hip-hop hall of fame

For two bars I kept hearin in my head
over and over again, it cost me everything
 
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i'm the illiest lyracist in america
Niggas can't see me cause i'm too quick for the human retina to regista
i roll up on your crew quicker than long sleeves
ata speed that would confuse keanu reeves
so ask yourself who am i?
i'm the illest MC youve ever seen in your fucking life
i hop into the backseat of a cab and rhyme
til the meter says 9-9-9-9
line for line i'll batlle any kind of MC at any time
whether they signed or unsigned
with many lines
more lines than a million pair of addias
more lines than the bible quoted from jesus
more lines then an African herd of zebras
niggas just aint fucking with the canibus' cheeva
 
Couldn’t understand what I mean by ill
Unless you try to translate what I print to film
This is the line of reel
The circle of time
The cycle of eternity
The emergence of one line
 
aint no rapper fucking with crooked I's lyrical skills:smh: this nigga comes out with hot shit every 12 hours seams like:yes:




 
I can't really get into Canibus because he reminds me of the demented dude in CB4 that totally ignores the beat and only talks about darkness and death. That's not flow - that's talking over a beat. Canibus would be a better MC if he had a decent producer and maybe a coaching team to tell him what's wack and what's not - I say Buddens and DMX would be perfect proofreaders for his rhymes to keep his darkness but enhance his flow with some of the beats he uses. Some of those lines that have people scratching their heads should stay on the mixtape - he needs to drop a few singles without the intricate obscure non sequiturs like the George Will of rap - even Kool Keith and Ghostface know to forget their niche audience when it's album time - which means no drawn out, intracate, obscure, Dr. Octagon, Tony Starks/Kung Fu references.
 
The thing is some people do understand him. Just because he's talking over most folx heads doesn't mean it's bs. If a neurosurgeon or nuclear physicist started talking their jargon, does it mean it's bullshit or does it mean you simply don't know what they're talking about? That's a typcial cop out. Mafucka don't understand shyt so therefore they say it's bs instead of admitting they just don't know.

Real talk fam.. Lyrically Canibus would literally shyt in Jay's mouth tho & any one who is being honest would agree. He threw a barb @ Rockafella but Jay ain't no fool now. Popularity <> being a better lyricist. That was proven when Bis smashed LL. Jay can rock a party but he don't wanna run up on stage & fuck w/ Bis. Shyt, Jay still recovering from that Ether which might be the greatest diss song ever.




But have you ever heard a collab or freestyle session he was on when he wasn't clearly the best emcee??

Mathematically Aware w/ Common - Murdered it
Music Makes Me High Remix - Murderer it
4,3,2,1 ( LL, Red, Meth, DMX ) - Murderer it
Freestyle session w/ Ras Kass - Murdered it
Freestyle session w/ Journalist - Murdered it ( Journalist was nice too tho )
Uni-4-Orm ( Ras Kass, Heltah Skeltah )
Beast of the East ( Lost Boys, A+, Redman ) - Murdered it.
etc......

He murked LL
He murked Beanie
He answered Stan w/ a equally lyrical song..

He is str8 ridic..

"Before I battle totally strangers, I make em sign disclaimers
that states their aware of the danger
Cuz I might become overwhelmed with anger
& split ya skull like a banana
or bludgeon ya face with a hammer.."


"I pulverize MC's and blow up mics
From street corner cyphers to international web sites
I'll run up on you and set it for no reason
My flows are like body-blows that cause internal bleeding
Cause I'm the baddest motherfucker, above average
With alien deoxyribonucleic acid
A blood spore, with meatphors of all sorts
So fly I need a pass port just to walk"

Did that ninja just say he had Alien D.N.A.?? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:eek: :eek:

C/S every word in this ninja wrote 100%
 
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