Put the hate, popularity, & bullshyt aside. Lyric for lyric, who's even in the same fuckin stratosphere??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDkhULtvFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPDkhULtvFg
Seriously, who can really outflow Canibus
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Dude is nice, but he's too Chino XL wit it. If he would actually spit about something, and stay with it for 32 bars, then we'd have something. Probably why his career never set off.
"Who wanna battle, the ill mathmatical
My motherfuckin brain is IBM Compatible..." - Classic.
"Who wanna battle, the ill mathmatical
My motherfuckin brain is IBM Compatible..." - Classic.
Lyric for lyric tho, he's literally untouchable... His vocab is ummatched, period, His flow is ridic... His voice is raw. His wit is unparalleled..
truthfully, who had dropped more gems???
"my brains consists of twin pentium chips
that's double the clock speed of a 586.."
"One of a kind, I got divine chromosomes in me
my sperm will scramble the eggs in woman's ovary"...
" And every word I utter for hip-hop lovers
will reflect forever like 2 mirrors facing each other"...
He dropped more shyt in this 9 minute montage that most mafucka have in their whole fuckin career! He only has one mission.. RIP THE FUCKIN MIC. - LOL
This isn't about making the hottest or best song.. I am talking about just flowin...
This is what I sayin:
one on one & a mic.. who's fuckin w/ this dude?
truthfully, who had dropped more gems???
"my brains consists of twin pentium chips
that's double the clock speed of a 586.."
"One of a kind, I got divine chromosomes in me
my sperm will scramble the eggs in woman's ovary"...
" And every word I utter for hip-hop lovers
will reflect forever like 2 mirrors facing each other"...
He dropped more shyt in this 9 minute montage that most mafucka have in their whole fuckin career! He only has one mission.. RIP THE FUCKIN MIC. - LOL
This isn't about making the hottest or best song.. I am talking about just flowin...
This is what I sayin:
one on one & a mic.. who's fuckin w/ this dude?
.....Keith Murry???
They should have a Surreal Life for one hit wonders, and the winner should get a contract. I think Keith Murry would be much better than Canibus.
They should have a Surreal Life for one hit wonders, and the winner should get a contract. I think Keith Murry would be much better than Canibus.
NO FUKING ONE.
But now if he could put together a complete album...
I say this in the terms of having all the necessary ingredients to make a successful commercial album (but he never wanted that, but yet he wondered why he didn't do better than gold.)
With the exception of C-True hollywood stories, every effort was solid.
Bis is real life familiy and I will fux with him forever, but the commercial world wont be able to understand his sh*t until everything is said and done. Its hard to connect with people when it goes over the heads of 80% of the listening public (well, the type that considers cat in the hat the sound of the culture.
"...Givin sight to the blind
The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum..."
Masta Killa - Wu Tang Clan "Triumph."
Yezzir
But now if he could put together a complete album...
I say this in the terms of having all the necessary ingredients to make a successful commercial album (but he never wanted that, but yet he wondered why he didn't do better than gold.)
With the exception of C-True hollywood stories, every effort was solid.
Bis is real life familiy and I will fux with him forever, but the commercial world wont be able to understand his sh*t until everything is said and done. Its hard to connect with people when it goes over the heads of 80% of the listening public (well, the type that considers cat in the hat the sound of the culture.
"...Givin sight to the blind
The dumb are mostly intrigued by the drum..."
Masta Killa - Wu Tang Clan "Triumph."
Yezzir
Finito said:
Flow wise I agree but their vocabs can't fuck w/ Canibus.... ( Also just flow wise I'd put Nas, Em & Royce in the same category )
The thing about Canibus is vocabulary is EXTENSIVE
" I cut thru ya epidermal layers w/ verbal lasers
sharper than razors on the feet of olympic ice skaters"...
jduck said:
Brah...
4,3,2,1 - Original Verse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaZEsqyoeZ0
Poet Laureate II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I80ZVcYPuek
Hot 97 Freestyle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xjDzyDjcFQ&NR=1
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Ill bet some of the same people sweatin Canibus in this thread are the same ones who were shittin on em after LLCoolJ and Eminmen got through with em.
I had nothing to say on the matter really as far as other MC's going at em.... I been a fan of his since 2nd round knockout.....just he hasn't really done anything relevant since then.......
I had nothing to say on the matter really as far as other MC's going at em.... I been a fan of his since 2nd round knockout.....just he hasn't really done anything relevant since then.......
Black Thought.
'With the irregular balance of a cat burglar known to parlay with garcia vega cigars.'
& Em.
Canibus is the King of Punchlines.
But not that good with stories or topics...
His flow is dope but Pharoahe (plus the two above) murk him on flow & technique.
Still, a fan.
'With the irregular balance of a cat burglar known to parlay with garcia vega cigars.'
& Em.
Canibus is the King of Punchlines.
But not that good with stories or topics...
His flow is dope but Pharoahe (plus the two above) murk him on flow & technique.
Still, a fan.
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I expect backlash but Cannibus lyrically can't fuck with the whiteboy be real.
Call me all the names you want the white boy can spit. I'm truthful wit it I'll take a broke eminem over cannibus anyday. I'm not saying he's the greatest I'm just saying canibus and alot of rappers out there can't stand next to this dude when it comes to lyrics and metaphors.
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I expect backlash but Cannibus lyrically can't fuck with the whiteboy be real.
Call me all the names you want the white boy can spit. I'm truthful wit it I'll take a broke eminem over cannibus anyday. I'm not saying he's the greatest I'm just saying canibus and alot of rappers out there can't stand next to this dude when it comes to lyrics and metaphors.
Dert Bagg said:
The Roots are my favorite group but Black can't fuck w/ him Dert. Em & Pharoahe are nice too but no one is fucking w/ this cat one on one with a mic.
His vocabulary is light years beyond the closest competitor. I think his lyricism & vocab outweight their advantage in style/technique points. You're right tho, Em, Black, Pharoahe, & Nasir are about as good as it gets w/ technique.
Making records is one thing but I can't see anyone fuckin w/ him one on one w/ a mic...
Besides, the Roots got an unfair "dope accoustic" advantage when it comes to tracks..
"Concerto of the Desperado" is still may favorite hip-hop track..
"even if it mean you gotta hand over the bannister.
I pull a microphone on any pistol brandisher.."..
1quincy said:
Em is nice.. He's not fuckin w/ Canibus.. but he did murk Jay on Renegade tho..
People kinda forget that Em was at a stalemate w/ Royce da 5'9" on that battle they had. It's some different shyt when you battling versus making records..
Em might go down as the funniest mafucka to every pick up a mic tho... I think some of best verses from a pure hip-hop perspective are from
"Anyman" & "Dead Wrong Remix"..
" I strike a still pose & hit you with some il flows..
that don't even make sense like dykes using dildos.."
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IMO No Body is messing with This Brother
i like this lil flips freestyle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM_kZvuMSJY&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM_kZvuMSJY&mode=related&search=
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Riggz said:Someone outflowin Canibus?
Nope...Nobody
Rhymes designed with lines of pure knowledge
Make ya head nod til yo neck runs out of cartilage
I gotta agree brah..
one on one.. a mic.. I got Canibus versus the field..
PS - Colbert is one of the funniest mafuckas on TV...
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DJCandle said:
Actually I'll take Chino XL over Canibus but thats besides the point.
Like Jay-Z said...“Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice / It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he writes.”
I've heard Canibus say some shit that has made me rewind..rewind..rewind...shake my head in disbelief...throw my hands up OH SHIT and say wow! I will never say he aint nice because he is.
The one thing I notice is that he was offbeat on damn near every beat they threw on in his freestyle. His flow is pretty much the same everytime...same voice patterns and style pretty much which to me doesnt make you a MC with a nice flow. I like MC's that can jump on a beat and ride it like a tidal wave (example Eminem on Renegade..or Jay...or Biggie). Canibus' timing being off tells me that hes just rappin and spittin but he aint trying to flow. His vocabulary is impressive and lyrically he is nice if we talkin punchlines but he cant tell a story...he cant paint a picture. His songs are like a movie with some good action scenes but the overall the plot is bad which makes it a bad movie! Trust me there is a reason a nigga this nice cant make a dent in the industry!
I like Papoose, Saigon, Royce Da 5'9" (The Bar Exam Mixtape is DAT SHIT!...Royce came hard!), Ras Kass, Black Thought, Talib Kweli just to name a few with vocab and a real flow!
But again...to each his own!
blaccsteel said:
The thing is some people do understand him. Just because he's talking over most folx heads doesn't mean it's bs. If a neurosurgeon or nuclear physicist started talking their jargon, does it mean it's bullshit or does it mean you simply don't know what they're talking about? That's a typcial cop out. Mafucka don't understand shyt so therefore they say it's bs instead of admitting they just don't know.
Real talk fam.. Lyrically Canibus would literally shyt in Jay's mouth tho & any one who is being honest would agree. He threw a barb @ Rockafella but Jay ain't no fool now. Popularity <> being a better lyricist. That was proven when Bis smashed LL. Jay can rock a party but he don't wanna run up on stage & fuck w/ Bis. Shyt, Jay still recovering from that Ether which might be the greatest diss song ever.
Dert Bagg said:
But have you ever heard a collab or freestyle session he was on when he wasn't clearly the best emcee??
Mathematically Aware w/ Common - Murdered it
Music Makes Me High Remix - Murderer it
4,3,2,1 ( LL, Red, Meth, DMX ) - Murderer it
Freestyle session w/ Ras Kass - Murdered it
Freestyle session w/ Journalist - Murdered it ( Journalist was nice too tho )
Uni-4-Orm ( Ras Kass, Heltah Skeltah )
Beast of the East ( Lost Boys, A+, Redman ) - Murdered it.
etc......
He murked LL
He murked Beanie
He answered Stan w/ a equally lyrical song..
He is str8 ridic..
"Before I battle totally strangers, I make em sign disclaimers
that states their aware of the danger
Cuz I might become overwhelmed with anger
& split ya skull like a banana
or bludgeon ya face with a hammer.."
"I pulverize MC's and blow up mics
From street corner cyphers to international web sites
I'll run up on you and set it for no reason
My flows are like body-blows that cause internal bleeding
Cause I'm the baddest motherfucker, above average
With alien deoxyribonucleic acid
A blood spore, with meatphors of all sorts
So fly I need a pass port just to walk"
Did that ninja just say he had Alien D.N.A.?? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow, usually people hate on canibus, but for once i see cats are giving him props....
Canibus is going to make rap history, with the 1000 bar song...Have yall heard about that shit?
Poet Laurete Infinite, is gonna have him spitting on 5 seperate verses (200 bars each) on 5 seperate audio channels...
So you can mix up all the channels how you want, and get a different song each time. Hence the name "Infinite"
Even if he fails miserably with this, you have to admit, its one hell of a concept.
I think that bis is top 5 greatest lyricist of all time. Im glad other people recognize his brillance besides me.
Canibus is going to make rap history, with the 1000 bar song...Have yall heard about that shit?
Poet Laurete Infinite, is gonna have him spitting on 5 seperate verses (200 bars each) on 5 seperate audio channels...
So you can mix up all the channels how you want, and get a different song each time. Hence the name "Infinite"
Even if he fails miserably with this, you have to admit, its one hell of a concept.
I think that bis is top 5 greatest lyricist of all time. Im glad other people recognize his brillance besides me.
Legacyns said:The thing is some people do understand him. Just because he's talking over most folx heads doesn't mean it's bs. If a neurosurgeon or nuclear physicist started talking their jargon, does it mean it's bullshit or does it mean you simply don't know what they're talking about? That's a typcial cop out. Mafucka don't understand shyt so therefore they say it's bs instead of admitting they just don't know.
Real talk fam.. Lyrically Canibus would literally shyt in Jay's mouth tho & any one who is being honest would agree. He threw a barb @ Rockafella but Jay ain't no fool now. Popularity <> being a better lyricist. That was proven when Bis smashed LL. Jay can rock a party but he don't wanna run up on stage & fuck w/ Bis. Shyt, Jay still recovering from that Ether which might be the greatest diss song ever
But have you ever heard a collab or freestyle session he was on when he wasn't clearly the best emcee??
Mathematically Aware w/ Common - Murdered it
Music Makes Me High Remix - Murderer it
4,3,2,1 ( LL, Red, Meth, DMX ) - Murderer it
Freestyle session w/ Ras Kass - Murdered it
Freestyle session w/ Journalist - Murdered it ( Journalist was nice too tho )
Uni-4-Orm ( Ras Kass, Heltah Skeltah )
Beast of the East ( Lost Boys, A+, Redman ) - Murdered it.
etc......
He murked LL
He murked Beanie
He answered Stan w/ a equally lyrical song..
He is str8 ridic..
"Before I battle totally strangers, I make em sign disclaimers
that states their aware of the danger
Cuz I can become overwhelmed with anger
& split ya skull like a banana
or bludgeon ya face with a hammer.."
"I pulverize MC's and blow up mics
From street corner cyphers to international web sites
I'll run up on you and set it for no reason
My flows are like body-blows that cause internal bleeding
Cause I'm the baddest motherfucker, above average
With alien deoxyribonucleic acid
A blood spore, with meatphors of all sorts
So fly I need a pass port just to walk"
Did that ninja just say he had Alien D.N.A.?? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. I didnt compare compare Canibus to Jay lyrically. Again using a bunch of big words and having an extensive vocabulary is not the only criteria to be a great MC.
2. I never said I didnt understand him. Nigga aint no dummies over here! But again...I can master the dictionary and thesaurus and write a bunch of fancy shit that dont make sense.
3. Recovering...Ether shouldve been the hottest shit. It was a reply....the nigga that replies always has the advantage. All the cards are played and then you can sit back and counter attack. Im not dissing Nas because Im a huge fan..Im just saying. And Jay aint recovering from shit....he fucked his baby momma...dissed Nas...got dissed by Nas (and the streets say Nas won which I agree)...and now is Nas' fuckin BOSS. Great fuckin recovery if you ask me! I would say Nas is the sucka in this scenario!
4. GET OFF CANIBUS' DICK NIGGA!!
5. Im going to say for the last time Canibus is NICE....hes a thorough MC...in a battle I would want him on my team....but hes not a complete MC.
My two cents and Im done!
I'm not listening to a song for 50 minutes....I listened for about 8 minutes and had to turn it off....yeah, Canibus can spit bars....but he's never been able to translate his gift into consistent songs....Canibus when he came out on the mixtape circuit in '98 is the best rapper I've ever heard....but he's been on a steady decline....a 1000 bar song is a nice project, but it's not practical.....and he's becoming the poster boy of what not to do as an underground emcee trying to become mainstream.....
]blaccsteel said:
Dayum homey, breath...
I never said you compared Jay to Bis. However, you quoted Jay in reference to critiquing his style. I just pointed out that #1> he'd murk Jay & we all know that & #2> it's not bs because some folx don't understand.
I didn't say YOU didn't understand. I am talking about the folx who don't & claim that it's BS cause they don't. And if you say you understand, then you can make sense out of a lot of shyt Bis says. Also, all rappers babble, drop a bad song/verse or talk sideways from time to time so use the same standard when judging them. Wu-Tang babbled a lot, Outkast babbled a lot but no one likes to bring that shyt up. Either way, it's art so in the creative context you're allowed to do that.
As for ether, if the reply is always better then WHY DIDN'T JAY REPLY W/ SOMETHING BETTER? I think we all know why. He made a good career move by taking that shyt off the record literally. All the other shyt you mentioned is irrelevant, we're talking about SKILLS not some gossip bullshyt.
I am giving the dude props cause he's a top notch lyricist. Are you on the dick other rappers you mentioned? I ain't the one talking about someone fuckin someone baby mama. The fuck does that matter? This is about lyrics homey, nothing else.
Again, this ain't about making hit records. I said flow.. Vanilla Ice, Hammer & Marky Mark made hit records..
one on one w/ a mic. I got Canibus.
i wish someone could just remix most of his albums....his weakness is his beat selection. Because his flow is always ill no matter what. With the exception maybe 2 or 3 albums, the production has been lackluster on his albums.
Hopefully his new shit will have some hot beats.
Hopefully his new shit will have some hot beats.
Probably couldnt outflow Bis, but GZA could match him lyrically
Legacyns said:
LOL....you win man! Vanilla Ice, Hammer, and Marky Mark? Hit records? A hit record dont mean shit to me!! I dont listen to the radio or watch videos...who cares about that shit! Again you puttin words in my mouth. To each his own...I come from a different era...I was listening to hip hop from its birth. I done been through every era...I dont even have dude in my Top 10 but thats just me. It seems to get missed everytime that I said I LIKE CANIBUS...I LIKE CANIBUS...from the very first post I said this! But just as you see him as GOD on the mic...I dont because Im lookin for more than just extensive vocabulary.
Ok to make you feel better I will say Canibus has the most extensive vocabulary ever! Because basically thats all you have really said in all of your replies. When people have mentioned other rappers...you have said "yeah they flows and techniques but Canibus got better vocabulary!" LOL....youre right he does!
I guess KRS One should be scared of Canibus too right?
blaccsteel said:LOL....you win man! Vanilla Ice, Hammer, and Marky Mark? Hit records? A hit record dont mean shit to me!! I dont listen to the radio or watch videos...who cares about that shit! Again you puttin words in my mouth. To each his own...I come from a different era...I was listening to hip hop from its birth. I done been through every era...I dont even have dude in my Top 10 but thats just me. It seems to get missed everytime that I said I LIKE CANIBUS...I LIKE CANIBUS...from the very first post I said this! But just as you see him as GOD on the mic...I dont because Im lookin for more than just extensive vocabulary.
Ok to make you feel better I will say Canibus has the most extensive vocabulary ever! Because basically thats all you have really said in all of your replies. When people have mentioned other rappers...you have said "yeah they flows and techniques but Canibus got better vocabulary!" LOL....youre right he does!
I guess KRS One should be scared of Canibus too right?
Brah, I'm not putting any words in your mouth. I am lived thru every era of hip-hop too. What u talkin bout? I said his vocabulary is extensive but his flow & technique are sick as well. It just that other emcees have invested more in techniques ( Pharoahe, Em, etc ) while others use tremendous word play ( not to say that some emcees aren't a good combination of each ).
I never said you didn't like dude. If you're talking list of EMCEES based on skill & lyrical ability then you'd be crazy not to have him in your top 3! If you're talking records ( not necessarily sales but classic songs, longevity, etc ) that's a different argument.
Again, I am talking strictly 2 dudes & a mic. Like his said, MIC CLUB!
KRS is a respected hip hop icon. Bis don't really have classics like My Philosophy, Criminal Minded, etc but if you asking me if he'll win an actually lyrical battle w/ Canibus?....... Again, not a popularity or respect contest ( ie his situation w/ LL ) lyric for lyric??? c'mon now..
popozudalvr said:
Yeah, I agree. GZAs style is a lot more deliberate. Canibus is far more fluid lyrically. However, GZA has some lyrics for yo @ss plus he's got a classic voice. I gotta admit tho, I always thought Rebel I was the best at least on the first 2 WU albums. He was never really given his props to me. I guess that's hard tho when 9 mafuckas is rockin the mic & all of them doing it well in their own way.
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