I already explained this.. And i also said for sake of argument we can pretend he wasnt.. Point still the same either way.
Serious question for Cavs and LeBron fans...
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Jordan at 32 had less points, rebounds, steals, blocks, mvps, same amount of rings, less finals appearances. More first round exits tho. 3 beats 0 every time.
Your point doesn't remain because you said before LeBron, he was first round scum. That's two instances that prove he wasn't, so you can't say "outside of that". Point is, he wasn't first round scum, because he made it out before he got with Shaq and LeBron. Even if it was just one time.
sorry u need to switch to games played not age..jordan was busy winning chips in north carolina therefor he didn't start as young..so we not grading on curves like age we grading on games played and as of now jordan has only played 11 more games..juss for the sake of argument i'll add 33 more blocks and 40 more steals to lebron stats and even 330 more points..when it's all said and done jordan has more points, steals, blocks, dpoy, steal titles, scoring titles, mvp's, finals mvp's..lebron not on the same level
No. My point does remain, because everything i said was true.. He was first round out and lottery scum.. Advancing to round 2 once dont change that. And whats he done post Bron? Dont forget that part.
Wow.
Who cares what he did after, what did he do before? Won a championship without having to go join other great players. He beat Dallas. A team LeBron failed to beat when he was leading the team.
We are grading on an age curve. Youve been screaming 6 rings since Bron was in his mid 20s. Jordan won his 6th ring at 35. Age didnt matter then, it dont matter now. Jordan wasnt even good enough to go #1.
He rode Worthys coat tails to a title then choked 2 years in a row not seeing a Final 4. So lets not pretend he was Alcindor at UCLA. Bron at this point has done far more dwarfed all his stats. The only thing worth mentioning about MJ is the 32 games he played in the Finals. The other 1,000 games in his career are meaningless now. Hollow. Even the year he won MVP and DPOY he choked in the 2nd round. Dudes stats and accolades just dont have the same buzz as they did before 2003.
dude is lebron dick so far in your throat that u can't even admit facts when it's rite in your face
wade 26.5 pts 54fg 7 rebs 5.2 assist 1.5 stls 1.5 blks 69ft
lebron 17.8 47 6.8 1.7 .5 60 4to's
you can say in a straight face lebron was the better player???
Dude are you watching this series? You really think Jordan was this good? The guy who never posted a triple double in the Finals? Or shot this high a FG% from the field? LeBron is AVERAGING a triple double and quite frankly he can play better.
lol i never said his 6 chips was the reason why he was better than lebron it's a few reasons why i think jordan better than lebron..did u juss use jordan not going number 1 as a way of saying he was garbage?? dude bowie was a monster in college and hakeem did his thing to.. jordan went number 3..hakeem is a hall of famer .. jordan won 1 chip in the ncaaWe are grading on an age curve. Youve been screaming 6 rings since Bron was in his mid 20s. Jordan won his 6th ring at 35. Age didnt matter then, it dont matter now. Jordan wasnt even good enough to go #1.
I care what he did after... The point in showing both is to better illustrate Lebrons contribution. Thats the discussion that YOU interjected yourself into. And what do you mean he won without having to join a great player? He had Shaq on the tail end of his prime you dam fool. Go away.
Are you illiterate or just stupid? How many times must i say even if we agree for sake of argument my point remains the same you stupid cunt!?
Ive stated why i said he was still the best several times already. You dont agree , and thats fine. Regardless, the point remains...
lol dude his first game he shot under 50 percent and he averages 6 to's a game.. jordan cared about having his team win not pad statting..losers care about those stats winners care about their team having the most points at the end of the game..jordan wouldn't be happy having a triple double in a 19 point blowout..is this what life has become for lebron??stat padding while getting blown out
You're slow. Did he join Shaq or was Shaq traded there? First you say he was first round scum, I prove he wasn't, then you say outside of that. At least change your argument to say second round scum.
LeBron wouldnt be happy averaging 35-40 in first round sweeps. Or chasing scoring titles instead of chips his first 7 seasons. Or jacking up 22 shots a game on a team he constructed that cant make the playoffs in the weak east. Jordans losing in Washington prepped him for his role as losing owner of the Hornets.
What difference does it make if Shaq was traded there, carried there or beamed up from the fucking enterprise you stupid bastard? The point is Wade had a top 10 all time player on the tail of his prime who should have won league MVP the year prior (cacs gave it to Nash) and you pretended like Wade beat dallas solo. And for the last time, i said he was 1st round out and lottery scum because he was... Him making the 2nd round one time doesnt negate that you fool.. And again, dont forget the part where i said he did nothing after Bron left either.. Look man, just go away.
debating logic is not a strong point for lebron stans..like i said the dislike for lebron comes more from his fans than him..u mite dislike a few things about lebron but his stans really start making u dislike things about him..nigs hate logic..they argue on curves..they obviously kno shit about bball and they switch caps every few yrs.. bandwagon/dickriding was look down upon decades ago so when u see these new wave of "fans" it disgust you cause they are what we were against decades ago.. u see my team was the bulls they ain't really doin shit now but i'm still gonna ride for them these new nigs got diff caps on each yr
jordan got pippen and horace grant in the draft and took those guys to 3 chips..lebron made 2 of his teams and gave 2 chips to texas and 1 to cali maybe soon to be 2
The dislike for LeBron comes from your Jordan dickriding. You made no mention of the Bulls in the first round this year. You are your average ordinary Jordan dickrider whos hopped on the Warriors wave hoping LeBron dont win more rings so people wont say he's better.
Kobe averaged 15 points a game in his first Finals and shot 36.7% from the field and 20.0% from 3point range. He got outplayed by Jalen Rose and Austin Croshere.
He was injured on purpose by Jalen and only scored 2 points. Remove that game and add the fact that he won a game by himself after Snaq fouled out. Bronze lost to Dwight Cowards team that Kobe smoked off the floor. Anyway, when are you getting your KD jersey and shoes? I swear your last name must be Kardashian as much as you jump between NBA dicks to ride.
lol shaq only averagev 13.7 points in the finals vs the mavs..hell shaq missed a few playoff games in some of the series leading to the finals..everybody kno shaq road wade wave..wade scored 34 points a game 21 more points than shaq.. shaq was on the decline homie juss like he was when he was in cleveland as you say
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Jordan made Dumars a HOfer, put him on his ONLY SI cover, and got him his GM job with the Pistons
Jordan made Vinnie The Microwave Johnson a household name.
Jordan made a grocery bag boy named John Starks a household name. Starks was putting him on posters and outplaying him til Jordan cried to the refs and had him ejected from a game. Starks wasnt even all star.
Mike got him his current job wit the Knicks.Jordan made Nick Anderson look like D Wade and got him his current job with the Magic as well.
sorry homie once again in like 20 straight threads u mention jordan b4 anybody..we was comparing kobe to lebron b4 u hopped your lil jordan always in your mouth ass..u can't go a day without saying jordan name.. i wasn't goin to mention him..this was about lebron and kobe
Kobe lost in 5 games to the OKC team that Bron beat in 5 games in the 2012 Finals. Lakers aint been shit since. To the point you stopped putting them in your sig or even mentioning them and started dickriding the Spurs and now the Warriors, their rivals. Thats like a UNC fan dickriding Duke to beat a player on Kentucky they dont like. Would never happen. And you claimed to be a "diehard Laker fan" for so long. Just your average Kobe dickrider that was a Jordan/Bulls fan in the 90s when Ceballos was the Lakers best player.
You do realize you dont get to the finals without a actual season right?
Did he? Wade won 25 games and 40 games respectively the two years prior to Shaq.. The following year they won 60, Shaq got robbed for league MVP, and the following year they won it all.
You're full of shit my man..
I just dont see how Kobe compares to LeBron when Jordan doesnt. And Jordan is better than Kobe. Kobe should be compared to Penny and Hal Miner and the other men who reminded you of your crush.
how many series did starks beat jordan in?? dumars went 3 straight finals and won 2 out of 3, he won an finals mvp..put up 27 a game vs the blazers..what does dumars 27 a game in the finals have to do with jordan if he wasn't guarding him?? jordan didn't play in 94 why did starks make the finals??go to the all star game?? had nothing to do with jordan had to do with him outplaying everybody elseJordan made Dumars a HOfer, put him on his ONLY SI cover, and got him his GM job with the Pistons
Jordan made Vinnie The Microwave Johnson a household name.
Jordan made a grocery bag boy named John Starks a household name. Starks was putting him on posters and outplaying him til Jordan cried to the refs and had him ejected from a game. Starks wasnt even all star.
Jordan made Nick Anderson look like D Wade and got him his current job with the Magic as well.
now jj barea nobody knew of him b4 the finals or after until he met lebron
what does shaq doin great the yr b4 have anything to do with that yr and the nba finals..how am i full of shit when it's facts that shaq sat out a few playoffs game that title run, it's facts that shaq averaged 13.7 points a game in the final, its facts wade dropped 34 points a game and won the finals mvp..i argue with facts.. show me where i'm lying??
Starks would've beat Jordan if the refs and Stern didnt step in and eject him in Game 4. Prior to that he was eating Jordan's lunch. Jordan played like trash that whole series and had to be bailed out by Pippen in Game 3, Game 5, and Game 6. It was Pippen's block on Charles Smith in Game 5 that turned the series. It was Pippen outscoring Jordan in Game 6 that won the series. No one would even know Starks name if not for how he was whipping MJ in that series. And Starks is like 6'2 or 6'3, another lil guy who had his best games against MJ.
Here we go with this sht again
People always forget this but EVERYONE had a Sht shooting game 7 except Garnett . That was a grueling ass series and by game 7 EVERYONE was spent. Everyone got thier points from the free throw line. No one had over 23 points.
Lets look shall we?
Paul Pierce - 5 for 15 6 for 6 at the line (18pts)
Rasheed W. - 5 for 11 (11pts)
Rondo - 6 for 13 (14 pts)
Ray Allen - 3 for 14 5 for 6 at the line (13pts)
Kevin Garnett - 8 for 13 (17pts)
Artest - 7 for 18 (2 for 7 from 3pt) and the Celtics left him WIDE the fck open all game daring him to shoot - 4 of 5 from the line(20pts)
Gasol - 6 for 16 (7 for 13 from the line) 19pts
Odom - 3 for 8 ( 0 for 3 from 3pt) 7pts
Bynum- 1 for 5 (2pts)
Kobe - 6 for 24 (23 pts) 11 for 15 at the line
The team that won the rebound category won every game.
Kobe 15 rebounds game 7
Kobes defensive assignments (Allen / Rondo switching) 9 for 27 from the field
The team that went to the line more was going to win that game since everyone was spent and shooting like sht
Kobe 11 for 15 from the line Game 7 , 10 of his points coming in the 4th when they needed him the most
lets not talk about would'ves and what actually happen..if i talk would'ves lebron wouldn't even own a ring.. if ray dosen't hit that 3 pointer after lebron misses his weak attempt in game 6 spurs would've won and be champs.. if manu dosen't miss mad shots in game 7 the following yr spurs would've won that chip, if kyrie dosen't hit the game winning 3 last yr warriors most likely win, lets not talk about lebron crying at the press conference to get rid of green.. bron literally would be ringless if it wasn't for others bailing him outStarks would've beat Jordan if the refs and Stern didnt step in and eject him in Game 4. Prior to that he was eating Jordan's lunch. Jordan played like trash that whole series and had to be bailed out by Pippen in Game 3, Game 5, and Game 6. It was Pippen's block on Charles Smith in Game 5 that turned the series. It was Pippen outscoring Jordan in Game 6 that won the series. No one would even know Starks name if not for how he was whipping MJ in that series. And Starks is like 6'2 or 6'3, another lil guy who had his best games against MJ.
Damn your stupid. You basically negated everything you said.
Is this a serious question? Did you not read the part where Wade won 25 and 40 games before he got there?? There is no finals without him fool!!
Only to a moron my man.