Schmidt: Apple is jealous of Android’s success, that’s why they’re suing
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So do the same rules/feelings/law apply to google when they sued microsoft over bing?
their comments were pretty much the same as apples
As if Google hasn't copied the work of others in the past? The very basis for the original Page Rank was "copied" from Jon Kleinberg's research and then built upon that work. It was not a direct copy, just as Microsoft's search results are not a direct copy. For Google to attack a competitor for using open information on the web -- the same way it does -- seems like the height of hypocrisy. It's fine for Google to crawl and index whatever sites it wants in order to set up its ranking algorithms, but the second someone looks at Google's own rankings as part of their own determination, suddenly its "cheating"?
This seems like the latest in a series of indications that Google has moved past the innovation stage into the "protecting its turf" stage. That would be a shame.
their comments were pretty much the same as apples
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...using-google-to-increase-bing-relevance.shtml
As if Google hasn't copied the work of others in the past? The very basis for the original Page Rank was "copied" from Jon Kleinberg's research and then built upon that work. It was not a direct copy, just as Microsoft's search results are not a direct copy. For Google to attack a competitor for using open information on the web -- the same way it does -- seems like the height of hypocrisy. It's fine for Google to crawl and index whatever sites it wants in order to set up its ranking algorithms, but the second someone looks at Google's own rankings as part of their own determination, suddenly its "cheating"?
This seems like the latest in a series of indications that Google has moved past the innovation stage into the "protecting its turf" stage. That would be a shame.
..why are are the Android Fanbois ignoring the FACT that HTC is already paying Microsoft $ for EVERY Android phone they produce? Why? Because they are using technology that Microsoft owns. They will be paying Apple money also... because they are using technology that Apple owns. So to say Apple isn't innovating is.. just plain fucking IGNORANT! Just check out Apple's patent portfolio.
http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/20...ustry-Judge-ITC-Rules-Apple-Kodak-Suit-Legal/
Judge Rules Against Apple in Kodak Suit
The International Trade Commission (ITC) put to bed at least one of the many patent infringement cases coming out of the wireless industry recently, namely a counter-suit levied by Apple against camera maker Kodak.
An administrative law judge (ALJ) upheld an initial decision that none of the claims Apple put forward alleging infringement of the company's camera technologies were valid. Apple had claimed that Kodak infringed on patents covering image processing in cameras.
The initial ruling, handed down on May 12, found one of Apple's patents was invalid and that Kodak did not violate the other two cited in the complaint.
The ongoing dispute is far from over. The ITC already has ruled against Kodak in the suit Kodak filed against Apple in January, claiming that camera technologies used in nearly all of Apple's devices had infringed upon Kodak's camera patents.
However, the judge assigned to the case said he had changed some of the definitions and language in Kodak's suit and wanted an ALJ to make a final judgment in light of the changes.
The stakes are high for Kodak. This current round of claims has also been levied at BlackBerry maker Research In Motion. Kodak has said that a ruling in its favor on the matter could lead to $1 billion in royalties.
Judge Rules Against Apple in Kodak Suit
The International Trade Commission (ITC) put to bed at least one of the many patent infringement cases coming out of the wireless industry recently, namely a counter-suit levied by Apple against camera maker Kodak.
An administrative law judge (ALJ) upheld an initial decision that none of the claims Apple put forward alleging infringement of the company's camera technologies were valid. Apple had claimed that Kodak infringed on patents covering image processing in cameras.
The initial ruling, handed down on May 12, found one of Apple's patents was invalid and that Kodak did not violate the other two cited in the complaint.
The ongoing dispute is far from over. The ITC already has ruled against Kodak in the suit Kodak filed against Apple in January, claiming that camera technologies used in nearly all of Apple's devices had infringed upon Kodak's camera patents.
However, the judge assigned to the case said he had changed some of the definitions and language in Kodak's suit and wanted an ALJ to make a final judgment in light of the changes.
The stakes are high for Kodak. This current round of claims has also been levied at BlackBerry maker Research In Motion. Kodak has said that a ruling in its favor on the matter could lead to $1 billion in royalties.
different thread, different patent, rim also lost out on this one...
Apple Loss in ITC Case Against Kodak Will Stand, Panel Rules
A ruling that Eastman Kodak Co. (EK)’s digital-camera technology doesn’t violate Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s patent rights will stand, the U.S. International Trade Commission said.
Kodak rose as much as 15 percent in late trading after notice of the decision was posted on the Washington-based trade agency’s website. ITC Judge Robert Rogers found on May 12 that the two Apple patents in the case weren’t infringed, and one of the patents was invalid.
Apple went after Kodak in April 2010, about three months after the Rochester, New York-based camera maker accused Apple and Research In Motion Ltd. (RIMM) of infringing a patent related to ways of previewing images. The commission in the Kodak complaint is reviewing a judge’s finding in January that Apple’s iPhone and RIM’s BlackBerry don’t violate the patent.
Kodak Chief Executive Officer Antonio Perez has been seeking to force Cupertino, California-based Apple and Waterloo, Ontario-based RIM to pay patent royalties. Perez has said a licensing deal with the two companies may generate as much as $1 billion in new revenue. A victory for Apple today could have made it harder for Kodak to demand that much in negotiations.
“We are pleased that the commission has confirmed the ALJ’s finding that there is no violation by Kodak,” David Lanzillo, a Kodak spokesman, said in an e-mail.
Kodak rose to $2.89 at 5:01 p.m., after falling 22 cents to $2.52 at the 4 p.m. close of regular New York Stock Exchange composite trading.
Apple Patents
One of the Apple patents covers a way a camera can process several images at the same time and the other invention is for a way to handle multiple processes at once, such as adjustments in balance, color, sharpness and resolution. The complaint targeted the Kodak Z series, M series, C series, and Slice cameras, as well as video cameras including the Playsport.
The case is In the Matter of Digital Imaging Devices and Related Software, 337-717, U.S. International Trade Commission (Washington). The Kodak case against Apple and RIM is is In the Matter of Certain Mobile Telephones and Wireless Communication Devices Featuring Digital Cameras, and Components Thereof, 337-703, USITC.
• We’ve been pushing the state-of-the-art in every facet of design… We’ve been innovating like crazy for the last few years on this and we’ve filed for over 200 patents for all of the inventions in iPhone. And we intend to protect them. – Apple CEO Steve Jobs when unveiling iPhone, January 9, 2007
• We like competition as long as they don’t rip off our IP, in which case we will go after them. We will not stand for having our IP ripped-off and we will use any weapons at our disposal [to stop it]. – Apple COO Tim Cook, January 21, 2009
• We like competition as long as they don’t rip off our IP, in which case we will go after them. We will not stand for having our IP ripped-off and we will use any weapons at our disposal [to stop it]. – Apple COO Tim Cook, January 21, 2009
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Samsung’s Smart Cover Knock Off Isn’t Helping their Case
by Kevin Krause on July 18th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
OK, so the whole Apple vs. Samsung thing is beginning to wear out its welcome, and though we all think Steve Jobs and company need to chill on the negative vibes and lawsuits they keep throwing at Android manufacturers, it sure isn’t helping when a product like the above pictured Smart Case for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 shows up on store shelves. While not actually made by Samsung, the iPad 2 Smart Cover knock off made by Anymode, a “key accessories supplier” with a “strong affiliation” with Samsung, is being featured in the manufacturer’s stores throughout its native Korea. We don’t expect the Smart Case to make its way outside the country, but it still looks like Samsung is poking the ol’ hornet’s nest with this one.
Samsung’s Smart Cover Knock Off Isn’t Helping their Case
by Kevin Krause on July 18th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
OK, so the whole Apple vs. Samsung thing is beginning to wear out its welcome, and though we all think Steve Jobs and company need to chill on the negative vibes and lawsuits they keep throwing at Android manufacturers, it sure isn’t helping when a product like the above pictured Smart Case for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 shows up on store shelves. While not actually made by Samsung, the iPad 2 Smart Cover knock off made by Anymode, a “key accessories supplier” with a “strong affiliation” with Samsung, is being featured in the manufacturer’s stores throughout its native Korea. We don’t expect the Smart Case to make its way outside the country, but it still looks like Samsung is poking the ol’ hornet’s nest with this one.
I really tried to stay out of this but so much misinformation being passed around...
1. Ms made a deal with htc because htc is a wp7 partner. Htc is having record earnings and they r looking out for their bottom line. They made a deal rather than have a protracted court dealing ala what's going on with apple.
2. Ms made deals with small publishers of android products like view sonic, they make cheap android products that often dual boot with windows 7. They make 5. Bucks from every tablet view sonic sells big whoop...I doubt view sonic has the legal budget to fight ms, so they made a deal.
3. Ms has threaten Samsung yet filed no lawsuit yet I believe unlike htc and view sonic samsung has a large set of patents themselves and can afford to resist ms. If it costs more money to fight then yeah they may make a deal. The industry is built on deals.
4. Ios5 is a ripoff of wp7 and android everyone sees it but apple fanboys, apple is a patent troll and the main example of why this country needs patent reform. They see someone do something then they take it rename it and patent it and claim to invented the entire process.
4. Apple cats keep talking bout the htc thing, one itc judge made a suggested ruling but the entire itc court has not ruled yet, and put of 10 possible pro apple rulings they got 2 of the more vague ones and htc is appealing so no one won or lost the itc ruling yet but apple has been ruled against by the itc when it came to nokia and kodak and someone else for ip theft recently, how come y'all apple fanboys don't discuss those?
All this talk about wp7 jumping android is just stupid, why? Android is constantly breaking the tech barriers and now they r setting standards. The original iPhone did that and in 2008 apple had it's biggest selling year with it but since then coated to 2008 apple has not been the same and it tells because they are suing everyone. They r trying to patent things already in existence and now they r getting caught. Apple isn't even getting new users like they used too, yes yes they had record sales years but they have 2ipads, multiple iPods and the iPhone on the top 2 carriers in the nation. Bigger news would have been them not having record sales. Point is the ppl funding those record sales are aple users who have already had apple products and r going back for more. New users are looking at android and some cases wp7 and a lot are waiting for webOS to do something and then u still have the blackberry holdouts.
This fanboy shit used to be fun but now it's just stupid, cats claiming victory over shit they aren't getting paid from and things that aren't even victories. I back google, I own google stock..I owned apple stock but if google was fucking up I'd move on to another device but I just got a droid3 and it honestly is the best phone I ever used even my iPad fucks up more than this phone. What google has done with the latest os is revolutionary and ics is gonna knock the industry on it's ear. That's y I back them, they go for the throat and innovate I mean gingerbread has built in data and battery saving, I average 14 hours without a charge now and when I do charge I am @ 30%.
Apple used to innovate now they sue and rest on their iPhone which is fine it was a groundbreaking device along with the app store but apple has lost it's touch when it comes to creating while others r beating them so now they sue.
But seriously these r just phones and tablets folks unless ur getting dividends and shit off them who the fuck cares? Buy what u like, get ur own money, buy some new jeans and fuck some fly bitches and be happy. This fanboy shit is pointless in the grand scheme of things.
1. Ms made a deal with htc because htc is a wp7 partner. Htc is having record earnings and they r looking out for their bottom line. They made a deal rather than have a protracted court dealing ala what's going on with apple.
2. Ms made deals with small publishers of android products like view sonic, they make cheap android products that often dual boot with windows 7. They make 5. Bucks from every tablet view sonic sells big whoop...I doubt view sonic has the legal budget to fight ms, so they made a deal.
3. Ms has threaten Samsung yet filed no lawsuit yet I believe unlike htc and view sonic samsung has a large set of patents themselves and can afford to resist ms. If it costs more money to fight then yeah they may make a deal. The industry is built on deals.
4. Ios5 is a ripoff of wp7 and android everyone sees it but apple fanboys, apple is a patent troll and the main example of why this country needs patent reform. They see someone do something then they take it rename it and patent it and claim to invented the entire process.
4. Apple cats keep talking bout the htc thing, one itc judge made a suggested ruling but the entire itc court has not ruled yet, and put of 10 possible pro apple rulings they got 2 of the more vague ones and htc is appealing so no one won or lost the itc ruling yet but apple has been ruled against by the itc when it came to nokia and kodak and someone else for ip theft recently, how come y'all apple fanboys don't discuss those?
All this talk about wp7 jumping android is just stupid, why? Android is constantly breaking the tech barriers and now they r setting standards. The original iPhone did that and in 2008 apple had it's biggest selling year with it but since then coated to 2008 apple has not been the same and it tells because they are suing everyone. They r trying to patent things already in existence and now they r getting caught. Apple isn't even getting new users like they used too, yes yes they had record sales years but they have 2ipads, multiple iPods and the iPhone on the top 2 carriers in the nation. Bigger news would have been them not having record sales. Point is the ppl funding those record sales are aple users who have already had apple products and r going back for more. New users are looking at android and some cases wp7 and a lot are waiting for webOS to do something and then u still have the blackberry holdouts.
This fanboy shit used to be fun but now it's just stupid, cats claiming victory over shit they aren't getting paid from and things that aren't even victories. I back google, I own google stock..I owned apple stock but if google was fucking up I'd move on to another device but I just got a droid3 and it honestly is the best phone I ever used even my iPad fucks up more than this phone. What google has done with the latest os is revolutionary and ics is gonna knock the industry on it's ear. That's y I back them, they go for the throat and innovate I mean gingerbread has built in data and battery saving, I average 14 hours without a charge now and when I do charge I am @ 30%.
Apple used to innovate now they sue and rest on their iPhone which is fine it was a groundbreaking device along with the app store but apple has lost it's touch when it comes to creating while others r beating them so now they sue.
But seriously these r just phones and tablets folks unless ur getting dividends and shit off them who the fuck cares? Buy what u like, get ur own money, buy some new jeans and fuck some fly bitches and be happy. This fanboy shit is pointless in the grand scheme of things.
Yes, a deal that stated HTC was infringing on M$ intellectual property. So HTC is paying the piper. Sumsung is next.
So you agree they innovated, and are now suing companies that infringe upon that groundbreaking innovation? What's the problem.. is that a smart move for any company to do that?
They lost its touch? Today they released another record quarter earnings and revenue and their stop shot up to $400/share. I'm going to have to cal bullshit.
you know you can bgol that shit (yeah, using bgol instead of googling when referencing bgol searches, "hey anyone got that new album by such and such?" "I saw it on here, just bgol that shit, you'll find it.)
people here applaud ms and others for using patents to put a hold on companies but get mad when apple does it.
I've even said, i'm tired of ms not innovating shit and just relying on patents.. then in come the brigade.. that's the nature of the game, blah blah, if you own the patent then you use it, blah blah, if you can get paid for owning the patent and shut out the competition then do it..
how them shoes fitting yall?
people here applaud ms and others for using patents to put a hold on companies but get mad when apple does it.
I've even said, i'm tired of ms not innovating shit and just relying on patents.. then in come the brigade.. that's the nature of the game, blah blah, if you own the patent then you use it, blah blah, if you can get paid for owning the patent and shut out the competition then do it..
how them shoes fitting yall?
So you agree they innovated, and are now suing companies that infringe upon that groundbreaking innovation? What's the problem.. is that a smart move for any company to do that?
They lost its touch? Today they released another record quarter earnings and revenue and their stop shot up to $400/share. I'm going to have to cal bullshit.
They made record earnings on the iPhone. Which is on Americas top carriers and on multiple carriers worldwide yet they have no penetration into china which is why they r gonna release the 3GS for 350 no contract in the next few months. Also the 3GS sells for 9 dollars on AT&T as a refurb and 50 brand new on two year contract. Next year they'll break this years record because they'll have the iPhone on tom and sprint plus the cheap iPhone and the new version plus if they come out with the 3G enabled iPod that'll count as an iPhone too so more sales.
All of one phone that ppl like u buy yearly, they r dropping a new iPad in the fall that's not much better than the ipad2 and ppl like u who own the ipad2 will buy the new one just to have it after convincing yourselves it's so much better.
Apple has a good racket and the strong fan base so they sell and hustle ice to Eskimos I can't knock that, it's the world we live in followers outnumber leaders and they have wallets open.
Apple hasn't done anything amazing in years. The original iPhone or better yet the iPod was groundbreaking combined with the app store was amazing. But since then they've done nothing innovative or groundbreaking just incremental releases a lot of hyperbole and relied on the lemmingism of the consumer base.
When android came out apple laughed u as I recall said android would never pass apple. Then droid 1 came out and the game changed. And google has been building off that momentum. Not resting on the brand name like apple does with each os update they bring something new and innovative I mean their software is even groundbreaking the new google maps has 3d inside buildings now...and it's an android exclusive.
Android isn't perfect but what they are doing is exciting to the industry they r pushing boundaries and they are now the threat everyone wants to kill before it gets bigger. Apple used to be the too cool company now they r suing everyone, ms can't even make money off their own phone os so they sue for someone else's profits and nokia was so scared of android they teamed up with ms just so they can live a bit longer. Blackberry is being kicked in the balls repeatedly because of android and ms, apple and rim all had to team up and buy nortel patents just to try to kill android and that's being reviewed currently for that very reason.
Right now android is innovating and making the industry have to catch up and when they can't they sue or steal. Apple has a new notification bar for ios5 which is a rip of androids, where is the innovation?
U keep counting sales as a indicator of being better but ignore that Millie vanilli sold and were proven to be frauds, vanilla ice sold and he vanished dip set sold and look at them, stupid lemming consumers is not an indicator of being better
Ms doesn't try to kill the competition, they try to get paid off them but they innovate as well and compete. Ms is probably the greatest company in the world for that because either way they get paid have a strong base and create new shit. Xbox is underpowered compared to ps3 yet 360 outsells them and they have record years in a bad economy. Wp7 is a innovative look and they r creating equally innovative software and getting paid off of bully tactics without suing ANYONE. The shear gangsta of that is commendable.
Apple takes shit already out, paints it a new color renames it and patents it and then sues. They filed a patent for 3d on mobile screens... 3d already exists on mobile screens but they will probably sue for that too. Apple is a patent troll, not innovating just stealing rebranding and suing.
If there is patent reform in this country apple will be the cause and will lose the most because their patents r vague as fuck and should be thrown out. That's y they stay paying off the govt with lobbyists to stop any attempt at patent reform, if it happens they r fucked.
Apple takes shit already out, paints it a new color renames it and patents it and then sues. They filed a patent for 3d on mobile screens... 3d already exists on mobile screens but they will probably sue for that too. Apple is a patent troll, not innovating just stealing rebranding and suing.
If there is patent reform in this country apple will be the cause and will lose the most because their patents r vague as fuck and should be thrown out. That's y they stay paying off the govt with lobbyists to stop any attempt at patent reform, if it happens they r fucked.
niggas arguing about patents now. wtf?!? these android/iphone discussions used to be fun but it just keeps getting more ridiculous. every patent lawyer will tell you the patent system for software is some straight bullshit and needs serious reform but cats are jumping up and down for this flawed system. you can like apple or google and agree it's a fucked up system. a patent for opening a link on a touchscreen? please.
You noticed this negro's bullshit too? He's the "Divine" for Windows mobile. A wack ass OS no one is interested in.
All some of you do is laugh and joke and refuse to listen. The things I have been saying about Android are coming true. I have been saying the same things for a long time. My stance has nothing to do with Android as a OS because it is a great product...but the facts are pretty glaring. Android production cost are rising and if Google is hoping that Microsoft and Apple chip in to help lower production cost is wishful thinking.
Production cost will kill any product no matter how great it is. Apple and Microsoft are squeezing profits out of android phone makers. With Android phone makers having to pay so many fees who is going to absorb the extra cost? That extra cost is going to be absorbed by the consumer.
While Apple and Microsoft will be able to release high-end smart phones with the latest technology for $199.00 or lower it will be increasingly harder for Android phones to make that price point do to the extra fees.
Regardless, patents are very important. That is why Google tried to buy Nortels patents for almost a billion dollars... they lost out to a group of companies that included Microsoft, Apple and RIM. so, whether you like it or not patents are important.
..and all phones today copy that design and interface.. and they copy the app store (and the app store name). So if Apple hasn't done anything amazing, their competitors are really in trouble.
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Apple made nearly as much in China as Google made everywhere.“China was very key to our results” Apple COO Tim Cook during today’s earnings call, announcing that the country accounted for $3.8 billion in revenue this quarter and $8.8 billion cumulatively in the first three quarters of this year. Cook said that while the company hadn’t “learned to play perfectly” in the market he didn’t think anyone would have believed that the world’s most populous country would comprise such a large percentage of total revenue a year ago. Apple stores in China are the fastest growing and have the highest numbers on average in terms of both traffic and revenue.
They are important as a business move, of course, and Google has to play that game. But then it becomes whose best at accumulating patents and trolling for lawsuits, and who has the most money to fight in court, not who makes the best hardware and software. Many times companies roll over because they can't afford or don't want to pay to fight. If you read some of the things that are patented it's laughable and even valid claims can be twisted to hurt companies. That's why Apple told that company that is trying to sue iOS developers to fuck off or face a fight with Apple. Before that all those little app developers would have paid up. I wonder who'd be cheerleading for that.
You do know that Google is rumored to be looking to buy RIM, and if they did, they would own those patents right? Dumb bitch... As to the other fag talking about how I don't know shit about patents, first, learn to ARTICULATE a complete sentence, you nut sucker, before approaching me with your dumb shit! Second, the ruling isn't final, YOU IDIOT, they have to fully review the case. Go back to robbing old women, leave the grown up talk, to the adults...
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Yea.. this is always ALL about business.
..and it also becomes who is best at generating revenue... that's business too.
Indeed, but I don't cosign bullshit, no matter whose winning.
they don't hear u though. let apple tell it they invented the smartphone. gtfo!
compared to nokia?
“China was very key to our results” Apple COO Tim Cook during today’s earnings call, announcing that the country accounted for $3.8 billion in revenue this quarter and $8.8 billion cumulatively in the first three quarters of this year. Cook said that while the company hadn’t “learned to play perfectly” in the market he didn’t think anyone would have believed that the world’s most populous country would comprise such a large percentage of total revenue a year ago. Apple stores in China are the fastest growing and have the highest numbers on average in terms of both traffic and revenue.
Don't forget, Moto and Samsung would eventually end up paying Apple for their Android phones too.
ZTE is trying to get in b4 nokia-microsoft can launch mango and take all their business. MS made a deal with the gov't to have bing do search soon as the nokia's are ready MS will run asia and those small makers like zte will be out of luck. This is a business move, they aren't dropping android they are opening their business to more than one OS. Samsung already makes wp7, moto doesn't but they will in time. it is just smart business, htc already does but wp7 doesn't count towards their bottom line that much. Google will still remain in the lead though, although asia will be a tough nut to crack for anyone not connected to nokia which is why google has been developing low cost phone's for africa and making deals.
which would u rather have asia or an untapped developing africa?
no no no, the ipad reduced their sales on the macs as well, tim cook said so. the ios devices are killing apple's original business which is why mac osx will soon become mac-ios with the release after lion...tech crunch has a nice break down... apple blew it all open thanks to the iphone followed by the ipad with macs/macbooks taking the hit
The point is everyone is suing each,everyone is winning and losing in court.
Wish I was a lawyer.
Wish I was a lawyer.
No no no they didn't. Look at the numbers. You are wrong as usual.
"The Company sold 20.34 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 142 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter. Apple sold 9.25 million iPads during the quarter, a 183 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter. The Company sold 3.95 million Macs during the quarter, a 14 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter. "
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