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[Raymond]

Considering gravity as a force completely destroys Newton’s 2nd Law. A force needs to be cause by something, so what would it be?

Considering gravity as an effect only makes the most sense to me for now.

I think it semantics on how this stuff is defined. This is why I asked the questions that I did.

If we consider gravity as a force, then what happens to Newton’s 1st and 2nd Laws? They fall apart. Plus something would still have to cause this force.

This is what messed me up.

F = ma — (I’m cool with)

a = F/m — (I’m cool with)

m = F/a — (makes no sense whatsoever)

How can two things that are results of something create a mass? That is where quantum comes in and I’m not really that deep into that.

The only way I can see gravity is it being an effect from mass. This would allow Newton’s second law to hold and supports Einstein’s theory.

But even Einstein’s theory has the same issue

E = mc^2 — I’m cool with

m = E/(c^2) — makes no sense

So we keep circling around with “what force or energy causing the creation of mass?” This is quantum level stuff we have reached.

This has always been my issue with physics. In a pure mathematical world we can not get away with half the stuff that physics get away with. We are not allowed to assume.

This confused me more. Why does considering gravity as a force completely destroys Newton’s 2nd Law? You have mass and you have acceleration.

But exactly what external elements is causing the gravity of a planet? Impossible to know. There are too many variables. But the acceleration that helps to determine this force has been measured.

"A force needs to be caused by something". Maybe a more helpful question is, physically, what causes Earth's gravitational acceleration. I don't have the answer. But if I personally want to make something accelerate, I can apply a force on it. And previously that object did not have an acceleration. I tend to believe the same for gravitational acceleration even though I can't tell you physically what it is. Maybe I should look at E = mc2 some more.

 

[4 Dimensional]

I told my girl “I just spent three days arguing with niggas that gravity is not created by the sun or motion. The fuck am I doing with my life...”

nigga I swear on my life I just had the same conversation with my girl tonight

that nigga hit the ejector seat w the quickness lmaaaaao

As much as I request the math from these guys, it's usually to make the point that math to support their claims doesn't exist, not to teach them. I ain't walking through all them damn equations because i know them niggas don't have the foggiest idea what that shit means. If they did, we wouldn't be having the conversations in the first place.

So I try to use simple analogies and make requests that highlight the wrongness of their claims. I supplement this with a generous helping of cuss words and insults, because that's my pleshaaaah.

Word. You be killing me with the insults.

I was going to say earlier you’ve been consistent with two things. Your stance and the insults

 

[sammyjax]

Word. You be killing me with the insults.

I was going to say earlier you’ve been consistent with two things. Your stance and the insults

Lol its funny because it makes them defer to you when I be giving them the for dummies version of the exact same shit

They be like see Sam, 4D is right plus he nice to me, huhhh lolololol

 

[Big Tex]

This confused me more. Why does considering gravity as a force completely destroys Newton’s 2nd Law? You have mass and you have acceleration.

But exactly what external elements is causing the gravity of a planet? Impossible to know. There are too many variables. But the acceleration that helps to determine this force has been measured.

"A force needs to be caused by something". Maybe a more helpful question is, physically, what causes Earth's gravitational acceleration. I don't have the answer. But if I personally want to make something accelerate, I can apply a force on it. And previously that object did not have an acceleration. I tend to believe the same for gravitational acceleration even though I can't tell you physically what it is. Maybe I should look at E = mc2 some more.

Fam.

Seriously.

I don’t know why you can’t just accept Einstein.

He explained it all and it has all been tested over and over and over again. For a hundred years it has been tested and confirmed.

It’s not impossible to know. It is well known.

Einstein’s theory was on point, it predicted black holes, but even einstein couldn’t believe such things were possible but his math said they were.

Hell, Einstein was tested and confirmed again this year.

https://www.space.com/41291-relativity-revealed-milky-way-core.html

For the first time ever, researchers have watched a star race past the supermassive black hole at the heart of the Milky Way, verifying that its motion showed the effects of general relativity, as predicted by Albert Einstein.

The stars of the Milky Way orbit a gargantuan black hole called Sagittarius A*, which is generally quiet as viewed from Earth, except for ripping apart the occasional object that ventures too close. The black hole's mass is 4 million times that of the sun, and it exhibits our galaxy's strongest gravitational field, making it — and a small group of stars orbiting it at high speed — a perfect proving ground for the extreme effects predicted by Einstein's theory of general relativity.

Bro, it’s not defeat admitting Einstein is right. It’s just joining everyone else in trying to learn.

 

[sammyjax]

Bro, it’s not defeat admitting Einstein is right. It’s just joining everyone else in trying to learn.

Man for real lol niggas get so dug in. Not being able to accept that one might be wrong serves no positive purpose.

I will accept my responsibly for that though. Niggas HAAAAAATE admitting they wrong after I've called them dumb bitches for 10 pages

 

[Big Tex]

Man for real lol niggas get so dug in. Not being able to accept that one might be wrong serves no positive purpose.

I will accept my responsibly for that though. Niggas HAAAAAATE admitting they wrong after I've called them dumb bitches for 10 pages

 

[Raymond]

Fam.

Seriously.

I don’t know why you can’t just accept Einstein.

He explained it all and it has all been tested over and over and over again. For a hundred years it has been tested and confirmed.

It’s not impossible to know. It is well known.

Einstein’s theory was on point, it predicted black holes, but even einstein couldn’t believe such things were possible but his math said they were.

Hell, Einstein was tested and confirmed again this year.

https://www.space.com/41291-relativity-revealed-milky-way-core.html



Bro, it’s not defeat admitting Einstein is right. It’s just joining everyone else in trying to learn.

When have I ever said that Einstein was wrong? They are both right. Newton was tested too. Maybe Newton's is incomplete but I can assure you that Einstein's is too. I can accept both theories at the same time and be correct both times. Einstein's theory probably governs Newton's theory in the universe but it doesn't mean that Newton is incorrect. The discussion was about calling gravity a property of mass vs a generated force. It's difficult for me to call it a property.

I just found this discussion on gravity: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-mass-always-have-gravity. It's interesting but I'm not sure it will help.

 

[LordSinister]

Is Einstein flat?

 

[sammyjax]

When have I ever said that Einstein was wrong? They are both right. Newton was tested too. Maybe Newton's is incomplete but I can assure you that Einstein's is too. I can accept both theories at the same time and be correct both times. Einstein's theory probably governs Newton's theory in the universe but it doesn't mean that Newton is incorrect. The discussion was about calling gravity a property of mass vs a generated force. It's difficult for me to call it a property.

I just found this discussion on gravity: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-mass-always-have-gravity. It's interesting but I'm not sure it will help.

Gravity ain't created by motion b

 

[Big Tex]

When have I ever said that Einstein was wrong? They are both right. Newton was tested too. Maybe Newton's is incomplete but I can assure you that Einstein's is too. I can accept both theories at the same time and be correct both times. Einstein's theory probably governs Newton's theory in the universe but it doesn't mean that Newton is incorrect. The discussion was about calling gravity a property of mass vs a generated force. It's difficult for me to call it a property.

I just found this discussion on gravity: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-mass-always-have-gravity. It's interesting but I'm not sure it will help.

That’s just it. They cannot both be right. Literally the theory of relativity came about because of failures in Newton’s theories. It was literally to correct Newton.

Once again, there were problems in Newton’s theories for hundreds of years.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-200-year-old-mystery-of-mercurys-orbit-solved-1458642219

It doesn’t matter that it’s difficult for you to call gravity a property. Einstein has proven, over, and over, and over, and over, and over again that gravity is not a force, it is the bending of space time.

And no one, not any scientist that has existed in the last 100 years has proven any part of Einsteins theory to be wrong.

Why the fuck are you so stubborn about this?

Scientists literally observed the light from a star thousands of light years away being bent by the curve of spacetime by the gravity of a black hole just as einstein predicted.

And right now Mercury is proving Newton wrong every time it orbits the Sun.

The cell phone in your pocket proves Einstein right. The GPS system in it has to adjust because time passes more slowly for the satellites in orbit than it does for you on Earth so it has to compensate for the time dilation.

Once again, if Newton was right and gravity was a force instead of the bending of spacetime, that wouldn’t happen.

You’re just digging in for no good reason at this point.

 

[Big Tex]

Sammy done vexxed Raymond so much he’s sworn off Einstein.

 

[sammyjax]

Sammy done vexxed Raymond so much he’s sworn off Einstein.

Issa gift.

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

The Higgs-Boson generates mass.

Theories...

That's some fascinating shit...

The GOD particle will end up killing is all

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

Just coming into the thread, saw when it was first posted and now 15 pages. Haven't read thru but has anyone brought up Van Allen belts?

Lol

Yes multiple times with out the slightest bit of understanding as to what they are or.how they work... even as far as to say you cant trust NASA when NASA is the agency that confirmed their existence

 

[BitchI'llKillYa]

I told my girl “I just spent three days arguing with niggas that gravity is not created by the sun or motion. The fuck am I doing with my life...”

Had the same exact conversation..

Started out with the moon landing ended in an entire new discipline of psychics being discovered by a random nigha on BGOL.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

You niggas always ruin shit wit y’all smartivityness

 

[sammyjax]

You niggas always ruin being ignant wit y’all smartivityness

Seen

 

[Gods_Debris]

 

[Mo-Better]

Honestly I've been wondering why the US discontinued trips to the moon. By now (50 years ago) some sort of operation should've been established there even if nothing more than a telescope.

If Russia is going there you better believe its for military purposes.

 

[Raymond]

That’s just it. They cannot both be right. Literally the theory of relativity came about because of failures in Newton’s theories. It was literally to correct Newton.

Once again, there were problems in Newton’s theories for hundreds of years.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-200-year-old-mystery-of-mercurys-orbit-solved-1458642219

It doesn’t matter that it’s difficult for you to call gravity a property. Einstein has proven, over, and over, and over, and over, and over again that gravity is not a force, it is the bending of space time.

And no one, not any scientist that has existed in the last 100 years has proven any part of Einsteins theory to be wrong.

Why the fuck are you so stubborn about this?

Scientists literally observed the light from a star thousands of light years away being bent by the curve of spacetime by the gravity of a black hole just as einstein predicted.

And right now Mercury is proving Newton wrong every time it orbits the Sun.

The cell phone in your pocket proves Einstein right. The GPS system in it has to adjust because time passes more slowly for the satellites in orbit than it does for you on Earth so it has to compensate for the time dilation.

Once again, if Newton was right and gravity was a force instead of the bending of spacetime, that wouldn’t happen.

You’re just digging in for no good reason at this point.

You didn't read one word I wrote.

 

[Raymond]

Had the same exact conversation..

Started out with the moon landing ended in an entire new discipline of psychics being discovered by a random nigha on BGOL.

Damn, you're another one. Didn't understand what I wrote either . Even when quoting what other scientists said.

 

[Big Tex]

You didn't read one word I wrote.

Your words exactly:

“When have I ever said that Einstein was wrong? They are both right. Newton was tested too. Maybe Newton's is incomplete but I can assure you that Einstein's is too. I can accept both theories at the same time and be correct both times.”

They cannot both be right. They contradict each other.

 

[4 Dimensional]

This confused me more. Why does considering gravity as a force completely destroys Newton’s 2nd Law? You have mass and you have acceleration.

But exactly what external elements is causing the gravity of a planet? Impossible to know. There are too many variables. But the acceleration that helps to determine this force has been measured.

"A force needs to be caused by something". Maybe a more helpful question is, physically, what causes Earth's gravitational acceleration. I don't have the answer. But if I personally want to make something accelerate, I can apply a force on it. And previously that object did not have an acceleration. I tend to believe the same for gravitational acceleration even though I can't tell you physically what it is. Maybe I should look at E = mc2 some more.

Saying gravity is a force is assigning a mass to it. So you would have to ask yourself, “does gravity have a mass?”

I worked out why saying gravity is a force destroys Nawton’s Second Law. Let me know if you have any trouble reading this or if my handwriting is unclear. In the right box, I talked about gravity as an effect and how that would be able to retain Newton’s second law.

Lol. While I was working this out on the board. This poster was beside me. The irony....

 

[4 Dimensional]

^^^can y’all see the images in my previous post?

 

[Drayonis]

^^^can y’all see the images in my previous post?

No. Just X's

 

[4 Dimensional]

No. Just X's

Ok, thanks.

Can you see them now?

 

[Drayonis]

Ok, thanks.

Can you see them now?

Yes, and I'm even more confused lol

 

[LordSinister]

Ok, thanks.

Can you see them now?

Yeah, we can see them now

 

[4 Dimensional]

Yes, and I'm even more confused lol

damn

More confusion was not the intention here.

Yeah, we can see them now

Lol, excellent

I had to delete some stuff from that image account. Too many gifs I upload during Hurricane season.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Lol its funny because it makes them defer to you when I be giving them the for dummies version of the exact same shit

They be like see Sam, 4D is right plus he nice to me, huhhh lolololol

This is actually very funny because it happens in my life very often.

it usually works out this way. If I’m having a discussion with a particular person about a topic and another person is saying the same thing I am saying but with much more vitriol, that particular person will defer to me.

However, if I am having a discussion with a particular person about topic and the another person is saying the same thing I am saying with more much vitriol, but the particular person gets emotional— they usually will argue with the person spitting the vitriol and leave me alone.

Shit JUST happened the other week. A colleague of mine disagreed with something I said, so instead of addressing me, she argued with another one of my colleagues about why she disagreed because she got emotional about the topic. I’m sitting here like “why didn’t you address me?”

I find it interesting.

 

[Raymond]

Saying gravity is a force is assigning a mass to it. So you would have to ask yourself, “does gravity have a mass?”

I worked out why saying gravity is a force destroys Nawton’s Second Law. Let me know if you have any trouble reading this or if my handwriting is unclear. In the right box, I talked about gravity as an effect and how that would be able to retain Newton’s second law.

Lol. While I was working this out on the board. This poster was beside me. The irony....

The handwriting is clear. I'll reply to each question :

The kg inside the blue rectangle comes from a mass.

Gravity has a mass. It's a requirement for it to be caused. Just like a force has an object that is used as a requirement for force to exist on that object.

You lost me at the end. I didn't understand that part. Units are supposed to cancel out. What is Newton's 2nd Law and why doesn't it work?

 

[Raymond]

This is actually very funny because it happens in my life very often.

it usually works out this way. If I’m having a discussion with a particular person about a topic and another person is saying the same thing I am saying but with much more vitriol, that particular person will defer to me.

However, if I am having a discussion with a particular person about topic and the another person is saying the same thing I am saying with more much vitriol, but the particular person gets emotional— they usually will argue with the person spitting the vitriol and leave me alone.

Shit JUST happened the other week. A colleague of mine disagreed with something I said, so instead of addressing me, she argued with another one of my colleagues about why she disagreed because she got emotional about the topic. I’m sitting here like “why didn’t you address me?”

I find it interesting.

Not the case. Your boy is sammy is ignoring every answer I give him because, truth be told, he doesn't understand them.

 

[sammyjax]

Gravity has a mass. It's a requirement for it to be caused.

Not just a requirement, turdmind. Mass is itself the cause.

You're almost there.

 

[4 Dimensional]

The handwriting is clear. I'll reply to each question :

The kg inside the blue rectangle comes from a mass.

Gravity has a mass. It's a requirement for it to be caused. Just like a force has an object that is used as a requirement for force to exist on that object.

You lost me at the end. I didn't understand that part. Units are supposed to cancel out. What is Newton's 2nd Law and why doesn't it work?

You’re saying gravity has a mass, but I’m asking where is the mass coming from?

What would give gravity a mass?

 

[sammyjax]

Not the case. Your boy is sammy is ignoring every answer I give him because, truth be told, he doesn't understand them.

You can dead that, I've asked you direct questions you haven't been able to answer for pages on pages now. You realize everybody can see this shit, right? Lol

Ain't NOBODY with you. Not a one.

I guess you smarter than everybody else and Einstein lol.

I can see you trying to come out of it though, you gon eventually be like "well yeah I mean mass causes gravity, but that's what I was saying the whole time, yall was just hearing me wrong."