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Youre getting hung up on words and not understanding the mathematical concepts I have presented to you.



^^ that’s what you said. We’ve asked you to show proof or the equation to support that claim and you haven’t done it.

I specifically said in order for your statement to be true that G would have to be zero because everything has a mass and mass can’t be zero. I never in any response to you said that you said G was zero. I never said that. I was simply presenting a mathematical explainations of how that equation works.

What in the gravitational force equation has movement? You said G because G has a Newton as a unit which includes m/s^2 as you said below.



You telling me I don’t understand, but I’m pretty sure that acceleration does not act on it’s own, so what is causing the acceleration if MASS is being multiplied by acceleration? @sammyjax done explained this to you once but you keep dodging this question.

Since you have in your mind that you know what up, derive G. Show us how G was derived then show us where there is movement within that derivation.

I'll explain it in a very simple manner. Mass can never be zero. But planetary movement can never be zero either. And I want you to derive the equation you presented so that you yourself can see where the idea of movement came from. That's why it's a force and not a property. You keep dodging this part. My proof is found in the equation you posted
 
It ain’t too late to join in. Lots of fuckery going on.



Im baffled right now. I swear to goodness if I didn’t understand something I would admit it
It ain’t too late to join in. Lots of fuckery going on.



Im baffled right now. I swear to goodness if I didn’t understand something I would admit it. I really would. You know I’m humble that way.

But this shit here, man. All we are asking is the equation to show that movement causes gravity and now he wants to know the derivation of G. Bruh, that is REACHING.

Ok. Simple.

Force = mass * acceleration. Do you understand how you need both mass and acceleration (movement ) ?

You were suggesting that you only need mass because you said that gravitational force is a property of mass.

Simple
 
Man if you don't shut yo dumb ass up lol don't get mad because the rest of the actual smart people came in the thread And told your buckethead ass the same shit I did.

You trying to repurpose a fucking fundamental equation of physics when EVERYBODY telling you you got it fucked up.

And you know what you haven't done? Supply the equation to support your cockamamie position that I've asked you for like half a dozen times now. Surprise Surprise.

The Council hath spoken.
The equation was supplied by 4 already.
And I did supply an equation to you directly answering a question you made about how does force imply movement but I guess you ignored it and defaulted to your usual lols instead. You had nothing. So your answer was insults and lols. You have nothing now either
 
Ok. Simple.

Force = mass * acceleration. Do you understand how you need both mass and acceleration (movement ) ?

You were suggesting that you only need mass because you said that gravitational force is a property of mass.

Simple

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/ph...force-how-does-it-accelerate-objects-advanced


If gravity isn't a force, how does it accelerate objects? (Advanced)

Einstein said there is no such thing as a gravitational force. Mass is not attracting mass over a distance. Instead, it's curving spacetime. If there's no force, then how do you explain acceleration due to gravity? Objects should accelerate only when acted upon by a force; otherwise they should maintain a constant velocity. A few of the explanations I've found online refer to equivalence and the thought experiment of a man standing on Earth experiencing the same g-force as a man in a rocket being accelerated in space. I understand why those conditions are the same, but I fail to see how that explains a brick falling from a building accelerating at 9.8 m/s2. Also, in that thought experiment a force is being exerted (the thrust of the rocket).

This is perhaps the most common question about general relativity. If gravity isn't a force, how does it accelerate objects?

General relativity says that energy (in the form of mass, light, and whatever other forms it comes in) tells spacetime how to bend, and the bending of spacetime tells that energy how to move. The concept of "gravity" is then that objects are falling along the bending of spacetime. The path that objects follow is called a "geodesic". Let's begin by looking at the bending side of things, and then we'll come back to look at geodesics.

The amount of bending that is induced by an object is directly related to that object's energy (typically, the most important part of its energy is its mass energy, but there can be exceptions). The Sun's mass is the biggest contribution to bending in our solar system. So much so, that it dwarfs the bending of spacetime by the Earth to the extent that to a very good approximation, we can just consider the Earth to be massless as it travels around the Sun (we call this the test particle limit). Similarly, when you're standing on the Earth, the Earth's mass dominates the bending of spacetime over your own, and so you can treat yourself as a massless test particle for all intents and purposes. However, truth be told, you warp the spacetime around you just a teensy tiny bit, and that does have an impact upon the earth in response.

Now, let's get back to those geodesics. A body undergoing geodesic motion feels no forces acting upon itself. It is just following what it feels to be a "downward slope through spacetime" (this is how the bending affects the motion of an object). The particular geodesic an object wants to follow is dependent upon its velocity, but perhaps surprisingly, not its mass (unless it is massless, in which case its velocity is exactly the speed of light). There are no forces acting upon that body; we say this body is in freefall. Gravity is not acting as a force. (Technically, if the body is larger than a point, it can have tidal forces acting upon it, which are forces that occur because of a differential in the gravitational effect between the two ends of the body, but we'll ignore those.)

OK, so let's look a little deeper into these geodesic things. What do they look like? Standing on the surface of the Earth, if we throw a ball into the air, it will trace out a parabola through space as it rises and then falls back down to Earth. This is the geodesic that it follows. It turns out that given the appropriate definition, this path is the equivalent of a straight line through four-dimensional spacetime, given the bending of spacetime. How does this relate to what we think of as the acceleration due to gravity?

Let us choose a coordinate system based on our location on the Earth. We'll say that I'm at the origin, and define that we throw the ball up in the air at time t = 0 (this is essentially giving a name to the location, nothing more). We can describe the position of the ball in spacetime in this coordinate system using an appropriate parameter (that we call an "affine parameter"). As the ball moves through spacetime, its position in spacetime is given by appropriate functions of this parameter. We can rewrite things slightly, to relate its position in space to its position in time. Then, when we look at this trajectory, it appears that the object is accelerating towards the earth, giving rise to the idea that gravity is acting as a force.

What is really happening, however, is that the object's motion in our coordinate system is described by the geodesic equation. If you want some maths, this equation looks like the following:

geodesic_equation_Wp.png
(image courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic_equation#Affine_geodesics)

Here, x (with superscript Greek indices) describes the position of the ball in our coordinate system. The indices indicate whether we're talking about the x,y,z or time coordinate. The parameter t that the derivatives are being taken with respect to is the affine parameter; in this case, it is known as the "proper time" of the object (for slowly moving objects, we can think of t as the time coordinate in our coordinate system). The first term in this equation is the acceleration of the object in our coordinate system. The second term describes the effect of gravity. The thing that looks like part of a hangman's game is called a connection symbol. It encodes all of the effects of the bending of space time (as well as information about our choice of coordinate system). There are actually sixteen terms here: it's written in a convention called Einstein summation convention. This shows that the effects of the bending of spacetime change the acceleration of an object, based on its velocity through not only space but also through time.

If there is no curvature to spacetime, then the connection symbols are all zero, and we see that an object moves with zero acceleration (constant velocity) unless acted upon by an external force (which would replace the zero on the right-hand side of this equation). (Again, there are some technicalities: this is only true in a Cartesian coordinate system; in something like polar coordinates, the connection symbols may not be vanishing, but they're just describing the vagaries of the coordinate system in that case.)

If there is some bending to spacetime, then the connection symbols are not zero, and all of a sudden, there appears to be an acceleration. It is this curvature of spacetime that gives rise to what we interpret as gravitational acceleration. Note that there is no mass in this equation - it doesn't matter what the mass of the object is, they all follow the same geodesic (so long as it's not massless, in which case things are a little different).

So, what good is this geodesic description of the force of gravity? Can't we just think of gravity as a force and be done with it?

It turns out that there are two cases where this description of the effect of gravity gives vastly different results compared to the concept of gravity as a force. The first is for objects moving very very fast, close to the speed of light. Newtonian gravity doesn't correctly account for the effect of the energy of the object in this case. A particularly important example is for exactly massless particles, such as photons (light). One of the first experimental confirmations of general relativity was that light can be deflected by a mass, such as the sun. Another effect related to light is that as light travels up through the earth's gravitational field, it loses energy. This was actually predicted before general relativity, by considering conservation of energy with a radioactive particle in the earth's gravitational field. However, although the effect was discovered, it had no description in terms of Newtonian gravity.

The second case in which the effect of gravity vastly differs is in the realm of extremely strong gravitational fields, such as those around black holes. Here, the effect of gravity is so severe that not even light can escape from the gravitational pull of such an object. Again, this effect was calculated in Newtonian gravity by thinking about the escape velocity of a body, and contemplating what happens when it gets larger than the speed of light. Surprisingly, the answer you arrive at is exactly the same as in general relativity. However, as light is massless, you once again do not have a good description of this effect in terms of Newtonian gravity, which tells you that there has to be a more complete theory.

So, to summarize, general relativity says that matter bends spacetime, and the effect of that bending of spacetime is to create a generalized kind of force that acts on objects. However, it isn't a force as such that acts on the object, but rather just the object following its geodesic path through spacetime.

I hope this has been helpful.

Best,

Dr Jolyon Bloomfield
 
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/ph...force-how-does-it-accelerate-objects-advanced


If gravity isn't a force, how does it accelerate objects? (Advanced)

Einstein said there is no such thing as a gravitational force. Mass is not attracting mass over a distance. Instead, it's curving spacetime. If there's no force, then how do you explain acceleration due to gravity? Objects should accelerate only when acted upon by a force; otherwise they should maintain a constant velocity. A few of the explanations I've found online refer to equivalence and the thought experiment of a man standing on Earth experiencing the same g-force as a man in a rocket being accelerated in space. I understand why those conditions are the same, but I fail to see how that explains a brick falling from a building accelerating at 9.8 m/s2. Also, in that thought experiment a force is being exerted (the thrust of the rocket).

This is perhaps the most common question about general relativity. If gravity isn't a force, how does it accelerate objects?

General relativity says that energy (in the form of mass, light, and whatever other forms it comes in) tells spacetime how to bend, and the bending of spacetime tells that energy how to move. The concept of "gravity" is then that objects are falling along the bending of spacetime. The path that objects follow is called a "geodesic". Let's begin by looking at the bending side of things, and then we'll come back to look at geodesics.

The amount of bending that is induced by an object is directly related to that object's energy (typically, the most important part of its energy is its mass energy, but there can be exceptions). The Sun's mass is the biggest contribution to bending in our solar system. So much so, that it dwarfs the bending of spacetime by the Earth to the extent that to a very good approximation, we can just consider the Earth to be massless as it travels around the Sun (we call this the test particle limit). Similarly, when you're standing on the Earth, the Earth's mass dominates the bending of spacetime over your own, and so you can treat yourself as a massless test particle for all intents and purposes. However, truth be told, you warp the spacetime around you just a teensy tiny bit, and that does have an impact upon the earth in response.

Now, let's get back to those geodesics. A body undergoing geodesic motion feels no forces acting upon itself. It is just following what it feels to be a "downward slope through spacetime" (this is how the bending affects the motion of an object). The particular geodesic an object wants to follow is dependent upon its velocity, but perhaps surprisingly, not its mass (unless it is massless, in which case its velocity is exactly the speed of light). There are no forces acting upon that body; we say this body is in freefall. Gravity is not acting as a force. (Technically, if the body is larger than a point, it can have tidal forces acting upon it, which are forces that occur because of a differential in the gravitational effect between the two ends of the body, but we'll ignore those.)

OK, so let's look a little deeper into these geodesic things. What do they look like? Standing on the surface of the Earth, if we throw a ball into the air, it will trace out a parabola through space as it rises and then falls back down to Earth. This is the geodesic that it follows. It turns out that given the appropriate definition, this path is the equivalent of a straight line through four-dimensional spacetime, given the bending of spacetime. How does this relate to what we think of as the acceleration due to gravity?

Let us choose a coordinate system based on our location on the Earth. We'll say that I'm at the origin, and define that we throw the ball up in the air at time t = 0 (this is essentially giving a name to the location, nothing more). We can describe the position of the ball in spacetime in this coordinate system using an appropriate parameter (that we call an "affine parameter"). As the ball moves through spacetime, its position in spacetime is given by appropriate functions of this parameter. We can rewrite things slightly, to relate its position in space to its position in time. Then, when we look at this trajectory, it appears that the object is accelerating towards the earth, giving rise to the idea that gravity is acting as a force.

What is really happening, however, is that the object's motion in our coordinate system is described by the geodesic equation. If you want some maths, this equation looks like the following:

geodesic_equation_Wp.png
(image courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic_equation#Affine_geodesics)

Here, x (with superscript Greek indices) describes the position of the ball in our coordinate system. The indices indicate whether we're talking about the x,y,z or time coordinate. The parameter t that the derivatives are being taken with respect to is the affine parameter; in this case, it is known as the "proper time" of the object (for slowly moving objects, we can think of t as the time coordinate in our coordinate system). The first term in this equation is the acceleration of the object in our coordinate system. The second term describes the effect of gravity. The thing that looks like part of a hangman's game is called a connection symbol. It encodes all of the effects of the bending of space time (as well as information about our choice of coordinate system). There are actually sixteen terms here: it's written in a convention called Einstein summation convention. This shows that the effects of the bending of spacetime change the acceleration of an object, based on its velocity through not only space but also through time.

If there is no curvature to spacetime, then the connection symbols are all zero, and we see that an object moves with zero acceleration (constant velocity) unless acted upon by an external force (which would replace the zero on the right-hand side of this equation). (Again, there are some technicalities: this is only true in a Cartesian coordinate system; in something like polar coordinates, the connection symbols may not be vanishing, but they're just describing the vagaries of the coordinate system in that case.)

If there is some bending to spacetime, then the connection symbols are not zero, and all of a sudden, there appears to be an acceleration. It is this curvature of spacetime that gives rise to what we interpret as gravitational acceleration. Note that there is no mass in this equation - it doesn't matter what the mass of the object is, they all follow the same geodesic (so long as it's not massless, in which case things are a little different).

So, what good is this geodesic description of the force of gravity? Can't we just think of gravity as a force and be done with it?

It turns out that there are two cases where this description of the effect of gravity gives vastly different results compared to the concept of gravity as a force. The first is for objects moving very very fast, close to the speed of light. Newtonian gravity doesn't correctly account for the effect of the energy of the object in this case. A particularly important example is for exactly massless particles, such as photons (light). One of the first experimental confirmations of general relativity was that light can be deflected by a mass, such as the sun. Another effect related to light is that as light travels up through the earth's gravitational field, it loses energy. This was actually predicted before general relativity, by considering conservation of energy with a radioactive particle in the earth's gravitational field. However, although the effect was discovered, it had no description in terms of Newtonian gravity.

The second case in which the effect of gravity vastly differs is in the realm of extremely strong gravitational fields, such as those around black holes. Here, the effect of gravity is so severe that not even light can escape from the gravitational pull of such an object. Again, this effect was calculated in Newtonian gravity by thinking about the escape velocity of a body, and contemplating what happens when it gets larger than the speed of light. Surprisingly, the answer you arrive at is exactly the same as in general relativity. However, as light is massless, you once again do not have a good description of this effect in terms of Newtonian gravity, which tells you that there has to be a more complete theory.

So, to summarize, general relativity says that matter bends spacetime, and the effect of that bending of spacetime is to create a generalized kind of force that acts on objects. However, it isn't a force as such that acts on the object, but rather just the object following its geodesic path through spacetime.

I hope this has been helpful.

Best,

Dr Jolyon Bloomfield

You do realize that this is going directly against the gravitational force equation that 4dimensional posted. This also has absolutely nothing to do with force = mass * acceleration. Or the fact that all forces are created.
 
The equation was supplied by 4 already.
And I did supply an equation to you directly answering a question you made about how does force imply movement but I guess you ignored it and defaulted to your usual lols instead. You had nothing. So your answer was insults and lols. You have nothing now either
You are using a whole lot of words to say "I don't have an equation that proves gravity is created by motion."

You keep posting the same thing 4 D and THE ENTIRE WORLD uses to tell you the same thing, to try to refine it in a way literally no one has ever tried to. If you have some supporting info for your claim, post it.

Otherwise, trying to tell...again...the global scientific community at large...that they have been interpreting a Lynch pin of physics wrong for a few hundred years...is probably not the right way to come at this.

Where's YOUR equation?
 
You do realize that this is going directly against the gravitational force equation that 4dimensional posted. This also has absolutely nothing to do with force = mass * acceleration. Or the fact that all forces are created.

No.

You keep thinking of gravity is a force that is acting on an object. That’s why you keep going back to that equation.
Gravity is not a force in that sense. It’s not something acting on an object.

You keep getting caught up on the word “force” and not realizing gravity is not a force in that sense. Newton considered gravity a firce that acted on objects, then Einstien came along and discovered it is NOT a force. It is the bending of spacetime. That is what the Theory of General Relativity is about.

You saying gravity needs movement to be created because people use the word force with it is just as silly as saying Jedi only have their power when moving because they use the word force.

You saying gravity is created by motion is you saying Einstien was wrong.
 
You are using a whole lot of words to say "I don't have an equation that proves gravity is created by motion."

You keep posting the same thing 4 D and THE ENTIRE WORLD uses to tell you the same thing, to try to refine it in a way literally no one has ever tried to. If you have some supporting info for your claim, post it.

Otherwise, trying to tell...again...the global scientific community at large...that they have been interpreting a Lynch pin of physics wrong for a few hundred years...is probably not the right way to come at this.

Where's YOUR equation?
F = Gm1m2/r2 <--- There's my equation. And as I've stated a million times, the answer lies in G.
 
No.

You keep thinking of gravity is a force that is acting on an object. That’s why you keep going back to that equation.
Gravity is not a force in that sense. It’s not something acting on an object.

You keep getting caught up on the word “force” and not realizing gravity is not a force in that sense. Newton considered gravity a firce that acted on objects, then Einstien came along and discovered it is NOT a force. It is the bending of spacetime. That is what the Theory of General Relativity is about.

You saying gravity needs movement to be created because people use the word force with it is just as silly as saying Jedi only have their power when moving because they use the word force.

You saying gravity is created by motion is you saying Einstien was wrong.

No. I didnt say. Newton said it. And Newton's equation has been proven to work. It still doesn't mean that Einstein was wrong. Now you're shifting the conversation somewhere else.
 
I called out his arrogance in being wrong 5 pages ago.

Its embarrassing at this point. Plus his argument keeps changing, all while discussing a constant lol

It ain’t too late to join in. Lots of fuckery going on.



Im baffled right now. I swear to goodness if I didn’t understand something I would admit it. I really would. You know I’m humble that way.

But this shit here, man. All we are asking is the equation to show that movement causes gravity and now he wants to know the derivation of G. Bruh, that is REACHING.
 
No

The sheer size and distance make them APPEAR not to move Add in constant motion and the illusion is complete.

Hell the earth doesnt move in comparison to a human. But its hauling ass through space

yea but its semantics.....

its like a dude kidnaps a lady at gunpoint...

throws her in a car and tells her dont move or she is dead..

she doesnt move... but by your and sam jax logic..

when the car is moving... and if she stays perfectly still..

yall will still shoot her and your rationale would be...

well the car is moving therefore she moved...
 
yea but its semantics.....

its like a dude kidnaps a lady at gunpoint...

throws her in a car and tells her dont move or she is dead..

she doesnt move... but by your and sam jax logic..

when the car is moving... and if she stays perfectly still..

yall will still shoot her and your rationale would be...

well the car is moving therefore she moved...
WTF LOL... seriously?






 
WTF LOL... seriously?

uh yea seriously.... you and sammy jax wouldve shot the poor lady...

yall wouldve said she moved because the car is moving even though she remained in the same position th








uh yea seriously.... you and sammy jax wouldve shot the poor lady...

yall wouldve said she moved because the car is moving even though she remained in the same position they put her in
 
uh yea seriously.... you and sammy jax wouldve shot the poor lady...

yall wouldve said she moved because the car is moving even though she remained in the same position they put her in
If you want black holes not to move so bad that you create a nonsensical scenario, you win.

Black holes dont move. Literally EVERYTHING in the universe does move except black holes.

There are you happy now?
 
If you want black holes not to move so bad that you create a nonsensical scenario, you win.

Black holes dont move. Literally EVERYTHING in the universe does move except black holes.

There are you happy now?

see you aint payin attention or comprehending properly..

I specifically said and placed emphasis on massive black holes and only those located in the center of galaxys....

and its not about me wanting blackholes to move or not...

dude said everything in the universe moves...and I said MASSIVE black holes in the center of galaxys do NOT moved unless provoked by a cataclysmic event....

then I was hit with.. well it moves cause everything in the universe moves..

when its a fact massive black holes located in the center of galaxies do NOT move from their location.

remember massive and center are key words here..
 
Every galaxy is in motion. Every last one of them. Including the once with even SUPER massive black holes.

I've explained that, posted videos to back it, you don't accept it.

I dont know what else to tell you.

Please explain how the galaxy moves in space but the black hole at the center does not. I'm sure the entire scientific community would love to know about this discovery.

see you aint payin attention or comprehending properly..

I specifically said and placed emphasis on massive black holes and only those located in the center of galaxys....

and its not about me wanting blackholes to move or not...

dude said everything in the universe moves...and I said MASSIVE black holes in the center of galaxys do NOT moved unless provoked by a cataclysmic event....

then I was hit with.. well it moves cause everything in the universe moves..

when its a fact massive black holes located in the center of galaxies do NOT move from their location.

remember massive and center are key words here..
 
Every galaxy is in motion. Every last one of them. Including the once with even SUPER massive black holes.

I've explained that, posted videos to back it, you don't accept it.

I dont know what else to tell you.

Please explain how the galaxy moves in space but the black hole at the center does not. I'm sure the entire scientific community would love to know about this discovery.

so basically you are saying its impossible for anything to be still or set in one location??
 
Dude, Andromeda and the Milky way are going to crash into each other in a couple billion years. That means the supermassive black holes at the center of each galaxy are moving also.
 
F = Gm1m2/r2 <--- There's my equation. And as I've stated a million times, the answer lies in G.
you don't find it the tiniest bit strange that you are interpreting that equation in a way that literally nobody has ever stated? I'm gonna ask...AGAIN...and I'm positive you'll deflect because, like in every case so far in this thread, your head is too far up your ass to accept having it fucked up...

-Where are you getting this interpretation from?
-What makes you think that you are interpreting it correctly when that is not how the global scientific community interprets it? Are you saying everyone else is wrong?
-Can you at least cite an example of your interpretation being used somewhere in the wild?


yea but its semantics.....

its like a dude kidnaps a lady at gunpoint...

throws her in a car and tells her dont move or she is dead..

she doesnt move... but by your and sam jax logic..

when the car is moving... and if she stays perfectly still..

yall will still shoot her and your rationale would be...

well the car is moving therefore she moved...
man what the hell do you be talking about lol

so basically you are saying its impossible for anything to be still or set in one location??
Yes. Unless you mean relative to things around it that are moving at the same speed, which still isn't STILL, it's just moving together like the car and the coffee cup.
I posted the GAIA simulations already... dude doesn't give a fuck he holding to his guns
that is the trend though.

This thing is bigger than this thread, it's a trend in this country.

Muhfuckas can be wrong as 2 left shoes, if you don't put cotton candy on it and pat their head and powder their asses when you point it out, they would rather be wrong right into a brick wall than admit folly.
 
What I said doesnt require interpretation

It wont change

Better question. Are you saying I'm wrong and galaxies dont move?

no while not disagreeing with the fact everything is in motion...

Im simply sayin... super massive black holes in the center of galaxies will not on its own move from its location.

and if thats the case does everything truly move within the universe.

things can be in motion and stationary at the same time is all Im sayin..
 
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no while not disagreeing with the fact everything is in motion...

Im simply sayin... super massive black holes in the center of galaxies will not on its own move from its location...

From it's point in the center of the galaxy? Unless it outweighs every single object combined it will have a wobble right? Correct me if I wrong but even though the center of gravity in the Earth/Moon system lies within the Earth, the Earth has a "wobble" in it's rotation correct?

Not sure if we say the black hole has a rotation or is a singularity but it seems to me that within the galaxy there has to be a pull on it. If there was only 1 galaxy in the entire universe, the black hole at the center wouldn't just be a fixed point with the mass of the other stars, dark matter and energy acting on it, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
My nigga alex spitting fax
this nigga here know exactly what he be doing lol

The absolute funniest shit is that all this discussion of motion started because Alex said the lunar lander needed bigger jets to take off through all the gravity the sun created.

Lol

"All planets/moons have gravity created by the sun."

Then the gall to follow it up with "common sense ain't so common"

Lmao
 
From it's point in the center of the galaxy? Unless it outweighs every single object combined it will have a wobble right? Correct me if I wrong but even though the center of gravity in the Earth/Moon system lies within the Earth, the Earth has a "wobble" in it's rotation correct?

Not sure if we say the black hole has a rotation or is a singularity but it seems to me that within the galaxy there has to be a pull on it. If there was only 1 galaxy in the entire universe, the black hole at the center wouldn't just be a fixed point with the mass of the other stars, dark matter and energy acting on it, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.
The truth about orbits is that everything kind of orbits each other, because technically two bodies orbit the point that is the center of gravity between the two of them.

When the mass of one is orders of magnitude larger than the other it's barely measurable, but say for instance in a binary star system, you can easily observe that they both kind of swirl around a central point.
 
From it's point in the center of the galaxy? Unless it outweighs every single object combined it will have a wobble right? Correct me if I wrong but even though the center of gravity in the Earth/Moon system lies within the Earth, the Earth has a "wobble" in it's rotation correct?

Not sure if we say the black hole has a rotation or is a singularity but it seems to me that within the galaxy there has to be a pull on it. If there was only 1 galaxy in the entire universe, the black hole at the center wouldn't just be a fixed point with the mass of the other stars, dark matter and energy acting on it, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

man my buzz is turnin to a body high, you gotta wait till I spark up again bruh...
 
The truth about orbits is that everything kind of orbits each other, because technically two bodies orbit the point that is the center of gravity between the two of them.

When the mass of one is orders of magnitude larger than the other it's barely measurable, but say for instance in a binary star system, you can easily observe that they both kind of swirl around a central point.

That's my point. The center of the galaxy would have a wobble unless the center of mass was directly in the center of the black hole and not say some arbitrary point inside the event horizon.
 
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