Rick Perry insists ‘justice system is color blind’ after Zimmerman verdict

[thoughtone]

source: The Raw Story


Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) on Sunday praised a Florida jury’s decision to find former neighborhood watchmen George Zimmerman not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin, and insisted that the case had not been influenced by race because “the justice system is color blind.”

“A very thoughtful case was made by each side, the jurors made the decision and we will live with that,” the governor explained to CNN’s Candy Crowley.

The CNN host, however, pointed out that critics of the verdict had asserted that the justice system was innately unfair and weighted against African-Americans.

“Do you think that?” Crowley asked.

“I don’t,” Perry insisted. “I think our justice system is color blind, and I think that, you know, again, you don’t find people that always agree with the jury’s decision. But that’s the reason we have the system we have in place, and I think, by and large, it may not be full proof, people may make mistakes in the jury system. On the civil side, you have that appellate process.”

“But in this case, I will suggest that two extraordinarily capable teams laid out the issues and that jury made the right decision from their stand point.”

Earlier this year, a New York Times editorial ripped the Texas justice system for executing a disproportionate number of African-Americans under Perry.

“Texas’s death penalty system is notorious for its high tolerance of ineffective counsel for defendants, overly zealous prosecutors, and racial discrimination in jury selection,” the Times wrote. “In Texas as well as other states, a black person who murders a white person is more likely to receive the death penalty than when the victim is black.”

 

[QueEx]

Fuck Rick Perry! He probably doesn't matter to anyone on this board save, perhaps, actinanass.

I'm contemplating the start of a thread in the aftermath of the decision in this case -- that looks at or explores the lessons learned and why they are likely to be repeated.

I'd like to do it in a way that provokes discussion and thought . . .

 

[thoughtone]

The bottom line is to vote and vote in very large numbers. The states that are most likely to suppress the vote are the states where a lot of this shit is happening.

Is there any doubt why the right is gearing up to prevent citizens from voting in 2014?

 

[QueEx]

I certainly won't disagree that voting early & often makes sense, but I think its deeper and more sophisticated than that.

 

[Greed]

To imply that an issue is complicated is to deny the very essence of the onethought.

 

[thoughtone]

I certainly won't disagree that voting early & often makes sense, but I think its deeper and more sophisticated than that.

Is it?

 

[QueEx]

Is it?

You disagree ??? Why?

 

[thoughtone]

You disagree ??? Why?

Be specific on you previous statement.

 

[actinanass]

all i know is that if this shit happened in Texas, this would of been manslaughter just by the 911 tape alone.

Hell, they teach this type of shit in the Texas CHL class.

There's a lot of wannabe cops down in Huntsville Texas. Trust me on this one.

I'm saying this because one thing Texas does, in regards to violence that deals with a weapon, you will be processed, and you will see a grand jury.

Florida does not do this.

Perry is right, justice is blind. We just need to stop giving justice too many of targets to shoot at.

 

[Greed]

Yes, justice is blind, but that doesn't speak to whether or not the American system dispenses justice.

 

[QueEx]

Be specific on you previous statement.

Thanks. I intend to.

 

[QueEx]

Yes, justice is blind, but that doesn't speak to whether or not the American system dispenses justice.

But, the phrase means as applied doesn't it ??? Otherwise, it would be meaningless. No?

 

[Greed]

But, the phrase means as applied doesn't it ??? Otherwise, it would be meaningless. No?

It could mean that, but I see that as Rick Perry logic.

I think it was during his presidential run, he had an execution pending with overwhelming evidence that the guy was innocent, but Perry let him die because the guy went through the process and justice was applied. I don't think justice served fits that situation.

I don't equate theory and application. Race, among other things like power and money, has distorted effective applied justice in America. It won't get fixed either because people assign a perfect correlation to justice and their opinion.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

He is 100 percent right..

It is blind to justice for People of color.

yup like mc brazil and broken clocks, ricky vampire perry is right at least once a day.

 

[thoughtone]

all i know is that if this shit happened in Texas, this would of been manslaughter just by the 911 tape alone.

Hell, they teach this type of shit in the Texas CHL class.

There's a lot of wannabe cops down in Huntsville Texas. Trust me on this one.

I'm saying this because one thing Texas does, in regards to violence that deals with a weapon, you will be processed, and you will see a grand jury.

Florida does not do this.

Perry is right, justice is blind. We just need to stop giving justice too many of targets to shoot at.

How was Trayvon given up as a target?

 

[thoughtone]

But, the phrase means as applied doesn't it ??? Otherwise, it would be meaningless. No?

Too logical for some.

 

[Greed]

Too logical for some.

Really? So what do you think?

 

[muckraker10021]

 

[kes1111]

 

[Cruise]

Posters are agreeing with a known piece of shit, racist, white supremacist, with a clear agenda of hate targeted at black people?

I am fast reaching the conclusion that there just isn't any hope for black people or for that matter, the United States as we know it.

There is far too much ignorance, stupidity, complacency, laziness, arrogance, and cowardice for this to continue much longer.

It will hurt me as much as everyone else, but this whole experiment is going to collapse within 10 years.

The United States as we know it will exist no more.

You can't be this chickenshit AND trifling and expect to stay at the top (and keep what you have).

 

[Greed]

It can stay on top if every other country is worse than America.

 

[Cruise]

It can stay on top if every other country is worse than America.

The United States DEPENDS on other countries.

Other countries DO NOT DEPEND on the United States.

If the United States collapsed or disappeared, the standard of living would actually INCREASE across the face of the planet.

Of course, that won't happen until the United States has sucked dry everything it can get its vicious, violent, hate-filled, black man blaming hands on.

Then, when there is nothing left, not another buck to borrow, the United States will fall apart.

That will be the only chance black people have to get their act together and put in place a real way of living, that is based on facts, and reality and not white supremacy and white worship.

Of course, it will cost black people almost all of their material possessions and many (probably most) of the comforts they enjoyed under white rule. To survive, black people would be forced to return to what worked for thousands of years before, relying on other black people for safety and survival.

But, that is the price black people must pay for kissing the white boy's ass for so long.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

all i know is that if this shit happened in Texas, this would of been manslaughter just by the 911 tape alone.

Interesting. You know your state better than I do but I don't have the same faith based on a couple high profile Texas cases.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/06/06/ezekiel_gilbert_texas_man_acquited_of_murdering_craigslist_escort_who_wouldn.html


http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5278638&page=1#.UeQbc5PD82w

Hell, they teach this type of shit in the Texas CHL class.

There's a lot of wannabe cops down in Huntsville Texas. Trust me on this one.

I'm saying this because one thing Texas does, in regards to violence that deals with a weapon, you will be processed, and you will see a grand jury.

Florida does not do this.

Perry is right, justice is blind. We just need to stop giving justice too many of targets to shoot at.

That's not what Perry said so he's not right. Justice is blind but he said the "justice system" was and it most definitely not blind. Trayvon Martin was really Terry Martin, White suburban kid, and those White jurors more likely would not have let Zimmerman walk.

 

[thoughtone]

Interesting. You know your state better than I do but I don't have the same faith based on a couple high profile Texas cases.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...f_murdering_craigslist_escort_who_wouldn.html


http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5278638&page=1#.UeQbc5PD82w





That's not what Perry said so he's not right. Justice is blind but he said the "justice system" was and it most definitely not blind. Trayvon Martin was really Terry Martin, White suburban kid, and those White jurors more likely would not have let Zimmerman walk.

actinanass posting a lie? Impossible!

 

[actinanass]

How was Trayvon given up as a target?

that statement was about us, as a race, making too many targets for the system. THE SYSTEM. I wasn't talking about Trayvon as an individual.

 

[thoughtone]

that statement was about us, as a race, making too many targets for the system. THE SYSTEM. I wasn't talking about Trayvon as an individual.

Trayvon is not "us"?

 

[actinanass]

Trayvon is not "us"?

I was referring to our community as a whole.

Quit trying to nitpick my statement. I mean what I said, and its very specific.

 

[thoughtone]

Read the topic!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

actinanass posting a lie? Impossible!

You know Rick's his boy.

 

[actinanass]

Interesting. You know your state better than I do but I don't have the same faith based on a couple high profile Texas cases.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/06/06/ezekiel_gilbert_texas_man_acquited_of_murdering_craigslist_escort_who_wouldn.html


http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5278638&page=1#.UeQbc5PD82w





That's not what Perry said so he's not right. Justice is blind but he said the "justice system" was and it most definitely not blind. Trayvon Martin was really Terry Martin, White suburban kid, and those White jurors more likely would not have let Zimmerman walk.

Read the topic!

You know Rick's his boy.

First of all, both of the cases UD posted did not make as much news as the Zimmerman case.

Secondly, the case that happened in Pasadena, the shooter was on his property. The perps came to him while he was talking on his phone to the police. That man defended himself on his property. That's why the shooter got off.

Third of all, the justice system is blind. Maybe we *the black community* might need to limit our exposure TO the justice system. That is all I'm saying.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

First of all, both of the cases UD posted did not make as much news as the Zimmerman case.

So? What's your point?

Secondly, the case that happened in Pasadena, the shooter was on his property. The perps came to him while he was talking on his phone to the police. That man defended himself on his property. That's why the shooter got off.

If you say so but the report at the time suggests something different

The 911 dispatcher warned Horn to stay inside at least a dozen separate times, telling him, "An officer is coming out there. I don't want you to go outside that house."

Then Horn sounding angrier by the moment cited the new Texas law.

"OK, but I have a right to protect myself too, sir," he said. "And you understand that. And the laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it and I know it."

Moments later, Horn saw two burglars leave his neighbor's house, one of them carrying a bag filled with cash and jewelry.

"I'm gonna kill him," Horn said. "Stay in the house," the dispatcher said. "They're getting away," Horn replied. "That's all right," the dispatcher said. "Property's not worth killing someone over. OK?" "---damn it," said Horn, who then defied the dispatcher.

"Well, here it goes, buddy, you hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going," he said.

"Don't go outside," the dispatcher warned.

Self-Defense? Horn says he came out his front door, down his porch and confronted the two burglars. The next sounds heard on the 911 tape are Horn ordering the two men to stop & and then shooting them both.

"Move you're dead," he said, and fired his shotgun three times.

"Both suspects were shot in the back," Pasadena Police Captain A.H. "Bud" Corbett said. "Not at the same angle, but both suspects were hit in the back."

Third of all, the justice system is blind. Maybe we *the black community* might need to limit our exposure TO the justice system. That is all I'm saying.

Man, stop saying this. It is quantifiably untrue. You can actually look up countless stats that prove otherwise. Not anecdotes but scientifically proven numbers.

 

[QueEx]

It could mean that, but I see that as Rick Perry logic.

I think it was during his presidential run, he had an execution pending with overwhelming evidence that the guy was innocent, but Perry let him die because the guy went through the process and justice was applied. I don't think justice served fits that situation.

I don't equate theory and application. Race, among other things like power and money, has distorted effective applied justice in America. It won't get fixed either because people assign a perfect correlation to justice and their opinion.

Here's what I mean. "Justice is blind" is a mere phrase, an ideal -- and a worthy goal of a just society. But, justice is meted-out or administered by judges and jurors, both of whom are human who bring to the table their personal baggage. Both may say that they can put their personals aside and make fair, decisions irregardless of the litigants' race, religion, ethnicity, station in life, etc., etc.

Is it really blind ???

Is Perry right ???


.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Here's what I mean. "Justice is blind" is a mere phrase, an ideal -- and a goal worthy of a just society. But, justice is meted-out or administered by judges and jurors, both of whom are human who bring to the table their personal baggage. Both may say that they can put their personals aside and make fair, decisions irregardless of the litigants' race, religion, ethnicity, station in life, etc., etc.

Is it really blind ???

Is Perry right ???


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Nope for the reason you noted

justice is meted-out or administered by judges and jurors, both of whom are human who bring to the table their personal baggage

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There's a reason, as you know, attorneys try to get what they think will be favorable juries. If the justice system was "blind", it wouldn't matter who sat on juries. It wouldn't who sat on the bench. But we know it does.

 

[Greed]

Here's what I mean. "Justice is blind" is a mere phrase, an ideal -- and a worthy goal of a just society. But, justice is meted-out or administered by judges and jurors, both of whom are human who bring to the table their personal baggage. Both may say that they can put their personals aside and make fair, decisions irregardless of the litigants' race, religion, ethnicity, station in life, etc., etc.

Is it really blind ???

Is Perry right ???


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That only works if, like Perry, you believe that the way you apply the ideal is how you define the ideal.

I think Justice is an absolute and human don't receive it by default in our system. You have to figure out how to trick the system into delivering it.

I've rejected this argument in other forms as well. For instance, I believe rights are owed at birth and aren't defined by what you could secure from any random political system someone is subject to.

Justice is. The concept of Rights is.

Justice is blind. America does not have a system designed to deliver justice. America has a system that is setup to express people's opinion and to reflect America's current morality. The system is designed poorly to reflect fluid societal ideas of right and wrong. Maybe at one time it was optimal but no longer. The system needs to be designed to have the objectively correct verdict delivered despite a perfectly human bias that will always be ever present.

 

[QueEx]

That only works if, like Perry, you believe that the way you apply the ideal is how you define the ideal.

I wouldn't presume to know what is in Perry's mind. What I stated are just the facts: humans administer the law, therefore, the law is invested with human failings. Hence, it is only as blind as the vision of whoever it is at the time administering the law.

I think Justice is an absolute and human don't receive it by default in our system. You have to figure out how to trick the system into delivering it.

Absolute? How?

I've rejected this argument in other forms as well. For instance, I believe rights are owed at birth and aren't defined by what you could secure from any random political system someone is subject to.

Justice is. The concept of Rights is.

Assuming, arguendo, that "rights are owed at birth" (which rights are those; is that bundle of rights complete at birth; do they not change as laws are changed; or, are you relying upon some ' unwritten' natural law ). Even if the black-letter law is somehow written in stone, the facts to which the law would have to be applied are not. That is, human conduct is not static and there is just bound to be conduct not covered by or, perhaps, not even contemplated by your static law.

If I understand you correctly, what you're proposing is bound to fail because of a lack of elasticity. Hence, the present-day and age-old dispute regarding the U.S. Constitution: does it live, breathe and is subject interpretive adjustment with evolution or does it remain static??? If static, arguably, all present-day guns possessed by owners more advanced than muzzle loaders are unprotected by the 2nd Amendment.

Justice is blind. America does not have a system designed to deliver justice. America has a system that is setup to express people's opinion and to reflect America's current morality. The system is designed poorly to reflect fluid societal ideas of right and wrong. Maybe at one time it was optimal but no longer. The system needs to be designed to have the objectively correct verdict delivered despite a perfectly human bias that will always be ever present.

Who said the system was perfect ??? What and where located is the perfect system ??? You're arguing here an extension of your pure free-market theories that have not been shown to exist anywhere, either.