Yes, there are plenty of anecdotes that show this, including President Obama.
But (again), statistically, children raised by single parents will have a harder upbringing.
Republican coon Byron Donalds says Black people were better off during Jim Crow
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Yes, there are plenty of anecdotes that show this, including President Obama.
But (again), statistically, children raised by single parents will have a harder upbringing.
yeah thats called LIFE. ...i'm pushing back on this narrative that says black women CHOOSE to have a bunch of babies because thats easy way to welfare money. Or democratic programs incentivized black women to be welfare queens. Thats NOT reality or how any of that went down back in the day. And black men need to STOP pushing and repeating this bullshit narrative.
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If you were on welfare back in the day social workers could pull up to your house and do an inspection looking to see if there was evidence of a man in the house, or if you had items they felt were new or pricey, and adjust your payments. You think that had no impact on your personal life?
I've known women (and men
) in my own life today who passed on job promotions and opportunities that would spike their income and compromise their benefits, which has a direct impact on their lives. They are not stereotypical "welfare queens" but again....INCENTIVES influenced their decision.
Personally I'm confused, which narrative I am supposed to believe. If the "man" incentivized black women to have babies out of wedlock, why are so many black men crying about paying child support and how unfair the system is.
Also, I love how these discussions are ALWAYS about the woman having kids and not the dead beat guys that are going in raw, knowing what the consequences can be.
If you were on welfare back in the day social workers could pull up to your house and do an inspection looking to see if there was evidence of a man in the house, or if you had items they felt were new or pricey, and adjust your payments. You think that had no impact on your personal life?
the funny part about this narrative is that its promoted as DEMOCRAT scheme to undermine the black family when in reality what youre talking about was happening in the 1940s at time when black women were excluded from the program. And it was happening at the state level.
States’ control over the Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) program, created in 1935, enabled them to exclude many Black and brown people. ADC (renamed Aid to Families with Dependent Children or AFDC in 1962) provided federal funding to states to assist children who lived with a single mother. Southern members of Congress insisted that state and local officials control ADC eligibility and benefit levels, which enabled them to preserve an economic system that relied on the low-wage labor of Black workers in the South and Latinx workers in the Southwest.
The large majority of Black working women were excluded from other New Deal social programs like unemployment insurance and Old Age Insurance (now known as Social Security) because they were either domestic or agricultural workers, and many fell deeper into poverty during the Great Depression. Similarly, the new ADC program did little for Black families as they made up a small share of the ADC caseload, especially in the South. Many Southern states denied Black families access to ADC because they did not want to “interfere with local labor conditions.”
As ADC rolls grew and diversified in the 1940s and 1950s, a number of states imposed punitive policies to control mothers, disproportionally harming Black families.
Starting in the 1940s, some states passed conduct- or morals-based eligibility policies such as so-called “man-in-the-house” or “suitable home” policies. States targeted the new laws at Black and unmarried mothers and their children. For example, in the first three months after Louisiana barred children from receiving ADC if their mothers were deemed “unsuitable” because of sexual activity outside marriage, 95 percent of the 6,000 children cut off were Black.
Now here's the thing... many of those states may have been DEMOCRATIC PARTY states...BUT from the 1800s on up to the late 60s...democrats were CONSERVATIVES. hell, more to the right than republicans of that time. This is the okey-doke that the republican party keeps pulling on blacks.. They keep saying dems did this to blacks and dems did that...what theyre NOT saying is what the politics of the dems were at those times.
Another in a series of racist posters attacking Radical Republican exponents of black suffrage, issued during the 1866 Pennsylvania gubernatorial race. (See "The Constitutional Amendment," no. 1866-5.) The poster specifically characterizes Democratic candidate Hiester Clymer's platform as "for the White Man," represented here by the idealized head of a young man. (Clymer ran on a white-supremacy platform.) In contrast a stereotyped black head represents Clymer's opponent James White Geary's platform, "for the Negro."
Back then they called them RADICAL republicans..today that would be characterized and dogwhistled as LIBERAL..which is what those republicans were compared to democrats in that era. Even tho there was the GOP and democratic parties in the 1800s.. abolishing slavery (the GOP position) was pretty liberal compared to the democrats position on the subject (only conservatism could give birth to the kkk)...
if you scratch a democrat at that time you would get a dyed in the wool CONSERVATIVE...whose views are scarily similar if not identical to conservatives of TODAY!
Don't think that's true..then why do most out racists and white nationalists vote conservative/republican today? When the basic ideology of the parties flipped (and they did flip) thats when blacks migrated to the democrats.
And WHY did blacks do that??
PRESIDENTS WHO GOT LARGE MAJORITY BLACK SUPPORT IN US HISTORY:
Abraham Lincoln (R) Lincoln is credited with ending slavery - black support
Warren Harding (R) Harding is credited with signing anti lynching laws - black support
Franklin Roosevelt (D) FDR is credited with opening up aid and jobs during the depression - black support
***Harry Truman (D) Truman ended segregation in military and ended bias in federal jobs - black support
John F. Kennedy (D) JFK gave the IMPRESSION he supported the Civil Rights Movements - black support
Lyndon B. Johnson (D) LBJ - signed Civil Rights Legislation - black support
*** Truman had issued an order desegregating the armed services and setting up regulations against racial bias in federal employment. its the reason why the black middle class was built on state and federal govt jobs thru out the 40s, 50s and 60s. It wasn't until Harry Truman garnered 77 percent of the black vote in 1948 that a majority of blacks reported that they thought of themselves as Democrats.
I've known women (and men
but what does that say about the society we live in??? serious question.
Understand something about welfare programs...if nothing else they offer a measure of STABILITY and PREDICTIBILITY two things people need in their lives to get thru their day.
I have a friend who used to be on medicaid and while on it had a team of doctors and programs that gave her regular check ups and appointments and general health regimen...she got promoted at her job and started earning more money and no longer qualifying for medicaid had to pay into a health plan. Guess what... ALL of her doctors and such weren't IN NETWORK for her plan not to mention now she has to deal with deductibles and all this byzantine bureaucracy she didn't have deal with before and all of that has messed up the routine of check ups and so on. Its VERY disruptive to the system of how she was taking care of and monitoring her health.
And if there's one thing about human beings is that we are creatures of habit and routine! People tend to NOT react well to changes in their lives like that.
Those programs that you say INCENTIVIZE people to get on or stay on welfare are just more SIMPLIFIED AND STABLE.
But here's a question that NO ONE ever asks.....if youre making more money and can afford to pay into plan why should that be more complex and confusing than the welfare program?
Positing that DILEMMA and its a REAL dilemma...as lazy niggas who dont want to work is just plain fucked up and NOT looking at the realities of whats really going on in our SOCIETY.
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the funny part about this narrative is that its promoted as DEMOCRAT scheme to undermine the black family when in reality what youre talking about was happening in the 1940s at time when black women were excluded from the program. And it was happening at the state level.
States’ control over the Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) program, created in 1935, enabled them to exclude many Black and brown people. ADC (renamed Aid to Families with Dependent Children or AFDC in 1962) provided federal funding to states to assist children who lived with a single mother. Southern members of Congress insisted that state and local officials control ADC eligibility and benefit levels, which enabled them to preserve an economic system that relied on the low-wage labor of Black workers in the South and Latinx workers in the Southwest.
The large majority of Black working women were excluded from other New Deal social programs like unemployment insurance and Old Age Insurance (now known as Social Security) because they were either domestic or agricultural workers, and many fell deeper into poverty during the Great Depression. Similarly, the new ADC program did little for Black families as they made up a small share of the ADC caseload, especially in the South. Many Southern states denied Black families access to ADC because they did not want to “interfere with local labor conditions.”
As ADC rolls grew and diversified in the 1940s and 1950s, a number of states imposed punitive policies to control mothers, disproportionally harming Black families.
Starting in the 1940s, some states passed conduct- or morals-based eligibility policies such as so-called “man-in-the-house” or “suitable home” policies. States targeted the new laws at Black and unmarried mothers and their children. For example, in the first three months after Louisiana barred children from receiving ADC if their mothers were deemed “unsuitable” because of sexual activity outside marriage, 95 percent of the 6,000 children cut off were Black.
Now here's the thing... many of those states may have been DEMOCRATIC PARTY states...BUT from the 1800s on up to the late 60s...democrats were CONSERVATIVES. hell, more to the right than republicans of that time. This is the okey-doke that the republican party keeps pulling on blacks.. They keep saying dems did this to blacks and dems did that...what theyre NOT saying is what the politics of the dems were at those times.
Another in a series of racist posters attacking Radical Republican exponents of black suffrage, issued during the 1866 Pennsylvania gubernatorial race. (See "The Constitutional Amendment," no. 1866-5.) The poster specifically characterizes Democratic candidate Hiester Clymer's platform as "for the White Man," represented here by the idealized head of a young man. (Clymer ran on a white-supremacy platform.) In contrast a stereotyped black head represents Clymer's opponent James White Geary's platform, "for the Negro."
Back then they called them RADICAL republicans..today that would be characterized and dogwhistled as LIBERAL..which is what those republicans were compared to democrats in that era. Even tho there was the GOP and democratic parties in the 1800s.. abolishing slavery (the GOP position) was pretty liberal compared to the democrats position on the subject (only conservatism could give birth to the kkk)...
if you scratch a democrat at that time you would get a dyed in the wool CONSERVATIVE...whose views are scarily similar if not identical to conservatives of TODAY!
Don't think that's true..then why do most out racists and white nationalists vote conservative/republican today? When the basic ideology of the parties flipped (and they did flip) thats when blacks migrated to the democrats.
And WHY did blacks do that??
PRESIDENTS WHO GOT LARGE MAJORITY BLACK SUPPORT IN US HISTORY:
Abraham Lincoln (R) Lincoln is credited with ending slavery - black support
Warren Harding (R) Harding is credited with signing anti lynching laws - black support
Franklin Roosevelt (D) FDR is credited with opening up aid and jobs during the depression - black support
***Harry Truman (D) Truman ended segregation in military and ended bias in federal jobs - black support
John F. Kennedy (D) JFK gave the IMPRESSION he supported the Civil Rights Movements - black support
Lyndon B. Johnson (D) LBJ - signed Civil Rights Legislation - black support
*** Truman had issued an order desegregating the armed services and setting up regulations against racial bias in federal employment. its the reason why the black middle class was built on state and federal govt jobs thru out the 40s, 50s and 60s. It wasn't until Harry Truman garnered 77 percent of the black vote in 1948 that a majority of blacks reported that they thought of themselves as Democrats.
but what does that say about the society we live in??? serious question.
Understand something about welfare programs...if nothing else they offer a measure of STABILITY and PREDICTIBILITY two things people need in their lives to get thru their day.
I have a friend who used to be on medicaid and while on it had a team of doctors and programs that gave her regular check ups and appointments and general health regimen...she got promoted at her job and started earning more money and no longer qualifying for medicaid had to pay into a health plan. Guess what... ALL of her doctors and such weren't IN NETWORK for her plan not to mention now she has to deal with deductibles and all this byzantine bureaucracy she didn't have deal with before and all of that has messed up the routine of check ups and so on. Its VERY disruptive to the system of how she was taking care of and monitoring her health.
And if there's one thing about human beings is that we are creatures of habit and routine! People tend to NOT react well to changes in their lives like that.
Those programs that you say INCENTIVIZE people to get on or stay on welfare are just more SIMPLIFIED AND STABLE.
But here's a question that NO ONE ever asks.....if youre making more money and can afford to pay into plan why should that be more complex and confusing than the welfare program?
Positing that DILEMMA and its a REAL dilemma...as lazy niggas who dont want to work is just plain fucked up and NOT looking at the realities of whats really going on in our SOCIETY.
My guy you gotta relax
All that text and you didn't answer my question.
If you have kids to feed and depend on welfare to make ends meet and some CAC social worker tells you that you can't have a man in your house or your benefits get reduced, what are you gonna do?
I'm giving you CONTEXT and HISTORY of how we got here so you can stop repeating nonsense conservative talking points...cuz if you knew this you wouldn't be repeating this ridiculous narrative. I REALLY encourage to read it.My guy you gotta relax
All that text and you didn't answer my question.
If you have kids to feed and depend on welfare to make ends meet and some CAC social worker tells you that you can't have a man in your house or your benefits get reduced, what are you gonna do?
What your talking about isnt an incentive...its a PENALTY. A penalty designed to control and punish people. I'm going to ASSUME that most women who have a man's baby expect him to be there to take care of it and her. If he decides he cant or wont do that...what do you expect her to do??
Free money will always have strings attached. Those strings in this case are directly tied to your income. If love can affect your income, well most poor people are gonna chose income over love. Which, going back to my point will have a direct affect on the children.
Bruh, her account of him........
And then this bullshit right here ^^^
Laaaaaawd....... I hate that coon
ALL money has strings attached to it. Working overtime means time away from home and the kids how do you think that affects children?? You know how many people complain or note how their parents were never home or missed all their activities because they were always working? You how know many kids call their nannies MOM?? Or look up to their coach or teacher as some kind of surrogate parent?
turns out even middle class and rich parents learn it takes a village and bigger support system to raise kids...they just shame poor, black single parents for doing it.
