Report: Khan being lined up for Mayweather fight

[Alaskanredman]

That's the big one, cats are content to win a close decision that could've been a draw, and then stay away from the rematch because the first fight was too hard. Every promotional company wants to protect their prize boxer. They can make more money putting all these cats up to fight each other. Since when in boxing did a loss mean your career was over. When did the public, the promoters and fighters acquire this mentality. Everyone is afraid to lose because then they won't get the big fights and make money. WTF?

I almost think the only boxers with balls are the ones who have been robbed.

Marquez is like the go to fighter these day when describing a throw back great fighter, but he is the perfect example. Even with the bad loss to Floyd and his age he is still trying to get to that next big fight. I wonder if his record wasn't fucked over with some suspect losses would he be the same, but since it is.... I at least know that he knows he has to put it all on the line every fight....

Same with Glen Johnson's old ass...

 

[merce77]

I almost think the only boxers with balls are the ones who have been robbed.

Marquez is like the go to fighter these day when describing a throw back great fighter, but he is the perfect example. Even with the bad loss to Floyd and his age he is still trying to get to that next big fight. I wonder if his record wasn't fucked over with some suspect losses would he be the same, but since it is.... I at least know that he knows he has to put it all on the line every fight....

Same with Glen Johnson's old ass...

Yeah, those two, especially Johnson are great examples of what you're talking about. It speaks volumes for Johnson that he's never salty in interviews and always conducts himself with class. Marquez is a Mexican so that shit don't count. Them Mexicans could get beat down in every fight and still want to fight any and everybody. Plus I think the boxing public gave Marquez a pass with that Floyd fight, he never belonged at welter and even 140 is a stretch for that cat. I think Floyd took more heat for that fight than he got props.

A loss doesn't make a fighter any less of a fighter, it can actually be beneficial in certain cases. Marquez lossed a controversial decision to Pac and got the big money fight against Floyd, and Barrera lost to Morales and had his whole career revived. Oscar lost to Tito and Mosley and always got the biggest paydays even afterward. Tyson lost a case and sold more PPV's than he ever did when he got out of prison.

It can fuck a fighter up to go his whole career without a loss and then suddenly take an L, Tito was never the same fighter, Mosley went through a real rough patch after Forrest bust that ass too. Forrest then lost to Mayorga and went through the same thing. Sheeet, Floyd would probably hang himself in the dressing room if he lost (really lost, no robbery) to Pacman.

 

[Zeferino]

Yeah, those two, especially Johnson are great examples of what you're talking about. It speaks volumes for Johnson that he's never salty in interviews and always conducts himself with class. Marquez is a Mexican so that shit don't count. Them Mexicans could get beat down in every fight and still want to fight any and everybody. Plus I think the boxing public gave Marquez a pass with that Floyd fight, he never belonged at welter and even 140 is a stretch for that cat. I think Floyd took more heat for that fight than he got props.

A loss doesn't make a fighter any less of a fighter, it can actually be beneficial in certain cases. Marquez lossed a controversial decision to Pac and got the big money fight against Floyd, and Barrera lost to Morales and had his whole career revived. Oscar lost to Tito and Mosley and always got the biggest paydays even afterward. Tyson lost a case and sold more PPV's than he ever did when he got out of prison.

It can fuck a fighter up to go his whole career without a loss and then suddenly take an L, Tito was never the same fighter, Mosley went through a real rough patch after Forrest bust that ass too. Forrest then lost to Mayorga and went through the same thing. Sheeet, Floyd would probably hang himself in the dressing room if he lost (really lost, no robbery) to Pacman.

You don't think Tito was never the same because of deciding to continue fighting middleweights and even higher? Had he gone back to 154 after Hops, I think he would have reverted to being spectacular again.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Yeah, those two, especially Johnson are great examples of what you're talking about. It speaks volumes for Johnson that he's never salty in interviews and always conducts himself with class. Marquez is a Mexican so that shit don't count. Them Mexicans could get beat down in every fight and still want to fight any and everybody. Plus I think the boxing public gave Marquez a pass with that Floyd fight, he never belonged at welter and even 140 is a stretch for that cat. I think Floyd took more heat for that fight than he got props.

A loss doesn't make a fighter any less of a fighter, it can actually be beneficial in certain cases. Marquez lossed a controversial decision to Pac and got the big money fight against Floyd, and Barrera lost to Morales and had his whole career revived. Oscar lost to Tito and Mosley and always got the biggest paydays even afterward. Tyson lost a case and sold more PPV's than he ever did when he got out of prison.

It can fuck a fighter up to go his whole career without a loss and then suddenly take an L, Tito was never the same fighter, Mosley went through a real rough patch after Forrest bust that ass too. Forrest then lost to Mayorga and went through the same thing. Sheeet, Floyd would probably hang himself in the dressing room if he lost (really lost, no robbery) to Pacman.

I agree except with the Mexicans thing. A lot of them have that macho shit in them but the main ones with heart have very limited skills. So they don't get robbed really... they just lose.

Marquez takes a situation like the first fight with Manny and still makes it a competitive fight after getting dropped 3 times.

The average tough Mexican would have stood there and taking a complete beat down for the full fight almost like Baldomir was about to do with Alvarez.

 

[merce77]

You don't think Tito was never the same because of deciding to continue fighting middleweights and even higher? Had he gone back to 154 after Hops, I think he would have reverted to being spectacular again.

I agree, I meant mentally, dude like, broke down or something. Kind of like the way Foreman broke down after Ali. Dude was undefeated, probably thought he was gonna run over Hop and got his heart taken and mind broken down. He looked great coming back against Mayorga, but Ricky didn't belong at 160 at that time. Had Tito gone back down to 154, he still whips Mayorga's ass, plus he had fights with Shane, Winky or Vernon Forrest waiting or rematches with Oscar or Vargas. In any of those fights except against Winky I wouldn't have bet against him. Tito needed a co-trainer, somebody experienced who could change up his game a little.
Dude used to box well early in his career but then came to rely too much on his power left hook. Tito had a great fucking run for a few years at 147-154 though. Dudes fights were events, he never shied away from anybody, and he made a lot of money. He's one of the few big name fighters of the last 15 years or so who's fights were guaranteed to be good 95% of the time. I'm glad he never came back again after the Roy fight. He just never carried the same power at middleweight and up that he had at welter and super-welter, if he had, he might've been a fucking problem.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

To tell ya'll the truth, I really don't give a shit who this guy fights next. Was just reporting a story I'd seen on numerous sites in one form or another. Fuck Mayweather and Pacquiao. I'd rather watch Khan vs Bradley or Khan vs Alexander than watch Khan fight Floyd. Floyd's fights are always supreme let downs and Mayweather vs Pac will be no exception when and if it happens. I see Floyd ending up a sad cautionary tale anyway. Dude is only gonna be left with his undefeated record if he's not careful.

Absolutely. Those guys could and should be making the 135-140 exciting for the next two years.

It's funny I was thinking that same thing except I was thinking about the so called "stacked" welter weight division from a few years ago. Some much bull shit went down that none of them lived up to the hype.

It was stacked at the time. Guys got old and guys got heavy and moved up. When they try to tell us that it's still stacked, that's just crazy talk. Super middle and lightweight/jr. welter are all much deeper. Welter is a two fighter division and one of them is a part time fighter and the other is planning to fight for a jr. middleweight title.

Plus the robberies and bad judges.

There were so many matches that slipped through the cracks and could have still been made but everyone turned puss. For instance why hasn't Berto fought Clottey, Cotto or even rematched Collazo.

Berto is the big mystery in this. He and Collazo had a Fight of the Year candidate and never had a rematch. WTF??? Did no one learn from Gatti-Ward, two guys on the way out who gave themselves two more huge paydays by having a great fight? Gatti then went on to have more big paydays afterward. Berto should be busting his ass to get into the Mayweather-Pacquiao sweepstakes and he's not. He's horribly mismanaged.

That's the big one, cats are content to win a close decision that could've been a draw, and then stay away from the rematch because the first fight was too hard. Every promotional company wants to protect their prize boxer. They can make more money putting all these cats up to fight each other. Since when in boxing did a loss mean your career was over. When did the public, the promoters and fighters acquire this mentality. Everyone is afraid to lose because then they won't get the big fights and make money. WTF?

I don't know but it's real. Paul Williams blew through Antonio "No One Wants to Fight Me" Margarito and looked to be the new "hot" guy in the welterweight division but after a bad loss to Quintana, he was dumped by HBO.


Boxing hurts itself and every time it gets some momentum, they (fighters, promoters, shitty judges) find a way to fuck it up.

 

[Alaskanredman]

It was stacked at the time. Guys got old and guys got heavy and moved up. When they try to tell us that it's still stacked, that's just crazy talk. Super middle and lightweight/jr. welter are all much deeper. Welter is a two fighter division and one of them is a part time fighter and the other is planning to fight for a jr. middleweight title.

It was stacked but how many interesting fights did it produce....?

I would have been interested in seeing these combos:
Clottey vs Mosley/Collazo/Williams or even a rematch with Margarito
Collazo vs Cotto/Magarito/Williams
The fights I mentioned with Berto. Including Berto vs Moseley
Williams vs any of these cats when he was fighting at welter.
Any combos with PBF or Pac that didn't go down

If these fights had gone down there could have been upsets and/or performances that could have shook up the division or at least made you see fighters in a different light.... Similar to Berto vs Collazo... I liked both of them before but most people weren't paying Collazo any mind until after that fight. Now imagine he got another fight like that at welter....

Berto is the big mystery in this. He and Collazo had a Fight of the Year candidate and never had a rematch. WTF??? Did no one learn from Gatti-Ward, two guys on the way out who gave themselves two more huge paydays by having a great fight? Gatti then went on to have more big paydays afterward. Berto should be busting his ass to get into the Mayweather-Pacquiao sweepstakes and he's not. He's horribly mismanaged.

I agree Gatti and Ward is the model that a lot of these small fry cats should be following...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

It was stacked but how many interesting fights did it produce....?

I would have been interested in seeing these combos:
Clottey vs Mosley/Collazo/Williams or even a rematch with Margarito
Collazo vs Cotto/Magarito/Williams
The fights I mentioned with Berto. Including Berto vs Moseley
Williams vs any of these cats when he was fighting at welter.
Any combos with PBF or Pac that didn't go down

If these fights had gone down there could have been upsets and/or performances that could have shook up the division or at least made you see fighters in a different light.... Similar to Berto vs Collazo... I liked both of them before but most people weren't paying Collazo any mind until after that fight. Now imagine he got another fight like that at welter....

They did leave a lot of money on the table. That's what I talk about when I keep hearing how Mayweather should have fought this guy or that guy. He worked his way into the top position and these guys, whether Williams or Cotto or Clottey, should have been doing the same thing. They were making the fights for a minute and then it just stopped and never seemed to start up again. Now it's a two fighter division and the second tier guys still aren't doing anything to get their value up.

I agree Gatti and Ward is the model that a lot of these small fry cats should be following...

Like I keep asking, how do we, laymen, see that but the promoters, fighters, and networks don't? Even though a lot of UFC fights fail to live up to the hype, they get fights made and quickly.

 

[Spectrum]

I agree, I meant mentally, dude like, broke down or something. Kind of like the way Foreman broke down after Ali. Dude was undefeated, probably thought he was gonna run over Hop and got his heart taken and mind broken down. .

Tito got his ass beat so badly in that fight I kind of felt sorry for dude...totally fucking dominated...I remember watching that one in a bar in Canada and I just wanted the shit to end...Bhop put a fucking clinic on

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Tito got his ass beat so badly in that fight I kind of felt sorry for dude...totally fucking dominated...I remember watching that one in a bar in Canada and I just wanted the shit to end...Bhop put a fucking clinic on

Not for it. I was in heaven. I loved Tito, but bhop was that dude. He represented philly that fight. It was like watching the eagles win the superbowl.

 

[ganjababy]

PBF trying to get that European $

 

[Spectrum]

Not for it. I was in heaven. I loved Tito, but bhop was that dude. He represented philly that fight. It was like watching the eagles win the superbowl.

Ive always been a Bhop fan too..still am.... but Ive never liked to see a great fighter just get completely embarrassed like that..... Tito got fucking handled

 

[tp2001]

That's the big one, cats are content to win a close decision that could've been a draw, and then stay away from the rematch because the first fight was too hard. Every promotional company wants to protect their prize boxer. They can make more money putting all these cats up to fight each other. Since when in boxing did a loss mean your career was over. When did the public, the promoters and fighters acquire this mentality. Everyone is afraid to lose because then they won't get the big fights and make money. WTF?

That is kind of the deal of recent times...there have been a few guys that have lost their undefeated record taken away, and haven't been the same since (Taylor, Lacy come to mind). Even Paul Williams has had trouble getting fights (to an extent) after his first loss. There are exceptions to this, but those guys were sure-fire draws (Cotto, Trinidad, De La Hoya) due to marketing or "national" support (R. Hatton, Kessler).

However, I'm still iffy on boxers/promoters who do that...especially those who haven't faced quality comp. in their division...

P.S. Berto should give that rematch to Collazo...