Red Dead Redemption 2 (spoilers)
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modders are gonna have a field day with this one on PC!
Agreed. I bet that's what it was.
Plus, in addition... I also think that the "amount of time" it was taking for Rockstar to put out new games is a also BIG part of the issue.
Last Spring, Take-Two Executives wanted Rockstar Developers to put out games alot faster.
- GTA 4 came out in 2008.
- GTA 5 came out in 2013.
- Red Dead Redemption 1 came out in 2010.
- Red Dead Redemption 2 came out in 2018.
But these were the only 3 games that Rockstar made between 2010-2020.
There are 9 different Rockstar Studios... and for a span of 5 years straight... they were unable to put out just (1) single game.
- Rockstar North. Active since: 1984.
- Rockstar San Diego. Active since: 1984.
- Rockstar Toronto. Active since: 1988.
- Rockstar Lincoln. Active since: 1992.
- Rockstar Leeds. Active since: 1997.
- Rockstar New England. Active since: 1999.
- Rockstar International. Active since: 2003.
- Rockstar London. Active since: 2005.
- Rockstar India. Active since: 2016.
Those days are gone.Especially because of heavy competition from: Fortnite, Apex Legends, Rainbow 6 Siege, Gears, etc.
Those studios have FEWER people... but are putting out MORE products.
- Respawn Entertainment (Apex Legends) has 310 Devs.
- The Coalition (Gears of War) has 200 Devs.
- Epic Games (Fortnite) has 700 Devs.
- Rockstar has over 3,000 Devs.
- Over 1000+ people worked on GTA5.
- Over 3000+ people worked on RDR2.
Between GTA IV, GTA V, RDR2 they've made over 10 billion dollars, the fuck is there to complain about??
Rockstar is the Daniel Day Lewis of game studios....you know when they make shit it's gonna be a must buy.
True. Rockstar has made over $10 billion... in 12 years... with 4 different games.
Today, Rockstar Games net worth is over $3.5 billion.
And Take-Two Interactive net worth is $14 billion.
But Fortnite has made about $7 or $8 billion... in just 3 years... with only 1 game.
When GTA 5 was released in 2013, Epic Games was worth $800 million.
Today, Epic Games net worth is now $15 billion.
And Epic Games is not taking 8-10 years to build their next big (single player) game title.
That could be a problem. Over the long run.
That's how some Wall Street folks will look at it. Just saying.
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R* could have a studio make a pure online free to play mp style shooter. Don't know if it would rival Fortnite but its an option instead developing a 6 to 8 year game.
Fortnite is not built the way GTA is though. There's no real story. Plus the business model of adding on to the game without putting out a new title was put in place by companies like Rockstar. If I start it and you build on it I put the blueprint in place, so I'll capitalize next go round even further. Also GTA IV and GTA V were crossing into next gen. U gotta admit it takes longer to build a GTA or a RDR than to do a Fortnite
Yeah, I totally agree with you about Rockstar being "the innovators"... but it seems that with the addition of Google Stadia, the future of video games are proabably heading toward the GaaS (Games as a Service) business model... where you make a game and keep adding on to it & charge gamers a monthly "subscription" fee, or a annual pass. This shortens the development time to get something on the shelf, which can be updated on a consistent basis, every few months.
Keeping this in mind, Rockstar's process of taking more than 5 years to create just ONE (or possibly 2) major titles for each"generation" of consoles may not prove to be 'as viable' over the next decade to come. Either they gotta make their games quicker... or at least not make mostly Single-Player games, with Multi-player as an 'afterthought'. At least that's the way 'investors' and Executives will think about it. Game developers just want to make the best game possible they can... but the "suits" want to make profits in a "certain amount of time". (They don't really care as much about 'being the best' as the Developers do.)
Yes, I totally agree it takes much longer to make a GTA or RDR... but when those Executives & Investors SEE / HEAR how much money games like Fortnite make (with much shorter development times)... all they care about it is 'beating the competition'. And getting a piece of the action.
Last thing you wanna do is rush a GTA game. It's so much intricacy in them, folks would be pissed if it was sub par. They ain't fuck up yet, why press it?
I totally agree, They don't have to rush any GTA games
.... just makes something else in ADDITION to GTA. There are 9 different Rockstar Studios. Over 3000 employees. Surely they can make MORE than just GTA or RDR.
Make another LA Noire, Midnight Club, or Bully.
Make a Fighting game.
Make an RPG. Between 1999 - 2010 Rockstar had a fraction of the employees they have today.. but still managed to put over 75 different titles on the shelf in 11 years.
But over the last decade, aside from GTA and RDR.... they haven't been putting out much of anything.
- LA Noire came out in 2011... it's 2020 now. That's 9 years ago.
- Bully came out in 2006... it's 2020 now. That's 14 years ago.
- Midnight Club 3 came out in 2008.. that's 12 years ago.
- MaxPayne 3 came out in 2012.. that's 8 years ago.
See the problem? Their development windows are getting longer & longer... and they are putting out fewer & fewer titles.
Hell, why doesn't Rockstar make another Earthworm Jim? Or whatever.
Or anything that does not take 8-10 years.
By comparison, look at a franchise like "Uncharted" over @ Naughty Dog.
Those maps & stories are almost as big as GTA.
(Or maybe half as big )The first Uncharted came out in 2007. And they have put a total of 9 "Uncharted" games on the shelf over the last 13 years....
PLUS at the same time.... Naughty Dog also made "The Last of Us"in 2013... and "The Last of Us 2" will drop this year.
Look at the list of accolades that The Last of Us and Uncharted 4: A Thief's End has received, over the years.
Naughty Dog has accomplished all of that with only 316 Developers.
But Rockstar has over 3000 Developers.
That's what folks consider also. Just saying.
I think those Executives probably want to establish some "middle ground". They probably want Rockstar to put out a few titles that only take 3 or 4 years to make (to keep something on the shelf) & keep updating them with DLC content every 3-5 months.... while still working on the big guns (like GTA) that take a whole decade.
Not every game needs to take over 7+ years or more to make.
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you see what happened to bio-ware mass effect when ea took over...
I get what you're saying. But then you can revert back to Fortnite then. They ain't putting out shit else but updating what they have and the shit works, just like the GTA and RDR updates, all while at least I believe they put their nose to the grindstone on GTA VI which is next gen. LA Noire was dope but it didn't sell as well and the facial technology costed an arm and a leg if I remember correctly. I wanna see something new maybe do another Warriors game cuz that was my shit!! As long as the main games don't suffer, but don't force out a title because you want something in the marketplaceI totally agree, They don't have to rush any GTA games
There are 9 different Rockstar Studios. Over 3000 employees. Surely they can make MORE than just GTA or RDR.
Make another LA Noire, Midnight Club, or Bully.
Make a Fighting game.
Between 1999 - 2010 Rockstar had a fraction of the employees they have today.. but still managed to put over 75 different titles on the shelf in 11 years.
But over the last decade, aside from GTA and RDR.... they haven't been putting out much of anything.
Those were the last games they put out not called GTA or RDR.
- LA Noire came out in 2011... it's 2020 now. That's 9 years ago.
- Bully came out in 2006... it's 2020 now. That's 14 years ago.
- Midnight Club 3 came out in 2008.. that's 12 years ago.
- MaxPayne 3 came out in 2012.. that's 8 years ago.
See the problem? Their development windows are getting longer & longer... and they are putting out fewer & fewer titles.
Hell, why doesn't Rockstar make another Earthworm Jim? Or whatever.
Or anything that does not take 8-10 years.
By comparison, look at a franchise like "Uncharted" over @ Naughty Dog.
Those maps & stories are almost as big as GTA.
The first Uncharted came out in 2007. And they have put a total of 9 "Uncharted" games on the shelf over the last 13 years....
PLUS at the same time.... Naughty Dog also made "The Last of Us"in 2013... and "The Last of Us 2" will drop this year.
Look at the list of accolades that The Last of Us and Uncharted 4: A Thief's End has received, over the years.
Naughty Dog has accomplished all of that with only 316 Developers.
But Rockstar has over 3000 Developers.
That's what folks consider also. Just saying.
I think those Executives probably want to establish some "middle ground". They probably want Rockstar to put out a few titles that only take 3 or 4 years to make (to keep something on the shelf) & keep updating them with DLC content every 3-5 months.... while still working on the big guns (like GTA) that take a whole decade.
Not every game needs to take over 7+ years or more to make.
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