Recored Corporate Profits! Where Are The Jobs?

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source: Huffington Post

Corporate Profits Hit New Record, U.S. Workers Still Struggling


Happy days are back! During the summer months, corporations logged their biggest profits since the government started counting way back in the age of Elvis, and the economy expanded at a slightly faster pace than previously thought. Surely, when Caterpillar and Morgan Stanley are swimming in lucre, life must be getting more wonderful for everyone.

Alas, no. Word that American businesses sucked in profits at an annualized pace of $1.66 trillion between July and September is certainly better than the alternative. Ditto, the wholly expected news that the economy grew faster than an initially reported 2 percent annual rate, reaching a still modest 2.5 percent. But none of this has translated into the sort of job growth that will be required to cut into an unemployment rate stuck at 9.6 percent. Worse, there is little reason to suspect it will anytime soon.

We have been hearing for so long now that, once companies start making real money, they will feel the urge to expand. Then, they will hire lots of people, and we can stop worrying and resume shopping. Yet so far--this most recent quarter included--all we have gotten is an extended lesson in the modern workings of a stubbornly lean job market and a display of what now stands as American management's core competency: How to rack up profits and reward shareholders while keeping the cubicles empty.

At the corporate level, the Great Recession is a memory. After plunging during the last three months of 2008, when the world was recoiling at the prospect of a full-blown financial meltdown, profits have expanded snappily every quarter since, according to data compiled by Moody's Analytics. But at the household level -- the realm of mortgages, credit card balances, doctor bills and soon-to-expire unemployment benefits -- the worst economic downturn since the Depression remains a defining force.

We taxpayers have handed hundreds of billions of dollars to the same mortgage and insurance industry that started all the trouble with its reckless gambling. We have bailed out General Motors. We have distributed tax cuts to businesses that were supposed to use this lubrication to expand and hire.

For our dollars, we have been rewarded with the staving off of potential financial Armageddon and the stabilizing of a real economy that was teetering dangerously toward the abyss. That certainly is something, but it falls far short of the only thing that can end this disaster on a meaningful scale: large numbers of quality paychecks.

Success for large companies has yet to trickle down. Since the end of 2008, when corporate America began enjoying the resumption of growth, profits have swelled from an annualized pace of $995 billion to the current $1.66 trillion as of the end of September. Over the same period, the number of non-farm jobs counted by the Labor Department has slipped from 13.4 million to 13 million.

The mega-banks have been emboldened to resume the dispensing of handsome bonus checks. Publicly traded companies have rewarded shareholders with dividends. But working people -- or would-be working people -- are still waiting for a slice of the spoils, confronting a bleak job market. Hiring remains scarce.

"Businesses remain very nervous," says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics. "Many are having a hard time shaking the nightmare of the past several years. Other are very anxious over all of the economic and policy decisions that have been and will be made."

Yet amid the anxiety, corporate America has evinced an impressive ability to make money. Economists celebrate this as an increase in productivity -- making more stuff with less labor. Such is traditionally a harbinger of fresh economic growth and hiring. As bad times give way to better, businesses secure fresh sales by squeezing more production out of existing workers. When they run out of potential squeezes, they add more labor, and the lucky new hires scatter their paychecks at other businesses that themselves must add workers to exploit the potential of suddenly bounteous days.

That story currently seems relegated to your college economics textbook. Business has become extraordinarily sophisticated at finding ways to boost production and sales without adding to payrolls.

Manufacturing and white-collar work alike can be shifted to Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe, where costs are lower, enabling businesses to rack up extra sales without having to bother themselves with hiring American workers. Companies can add machinery instead of bodies and achieve the same result. When pressed, they can take on temporary workers --something now happening -- and still retain the flexibility to cut people loose should happy times fail to emerge.

We are stuck in an unfortunate feedback loop: The lack of hiring is crimping spending power and economic growth, making the people running businesses even less inclined to hire.

As American business leaders understand, they can only sell product if people are walking around with money, and that is dependent upon people having secure, decent-paying jobs.

For too many years, spending was enabled by borrowing against the value of homes that are currently worth less than the raw materials used in their construction. Consumers availed themselves of credit cards that landed in the mail more frequently than come-ons from Ed McMahon. For many a battered household, those days are over. Meaningful recovery is dependent upon the only factor worth repeating ad nauseum: quality paychecks.

We have long since reached the point at which the economy needs a serious jolt from the government, a concentrated focus on long-term job creation that will embolden private money to start moving again, launching new businesses that can yield lasting growth. Yet, distressingly, little appears on the way to spur this process.

The $800 billion stimulus bill unleashed at the beginning of the Obama presidency -- a mish-mash of unfortunate political compromise and real economic strategy -- has largely run its course. Our political leaders, who ought to be engaged in a crusade to get people back to work, are instead hunkered down on the sidelines, with both major parties staking out positions for a Presidential race still two years off.

Congress cannot even manage to extend unemployment benefits for formerly working people now acquainting themselves with the culinary offerings of trash dumpsters, let alone pursue an ambitious jobs program focused on more promising areas of the economy, such as renewable energy.

The Republicans who are about to control the House have placed their bets on perpetuating economic misery as the clearest path back to the White House. The Democrats who are still in charge are mostly engaged in figuring out how to make it seem like they can cut the federal budget deficit, as if it were possible to save our way back to prosperity.

Another quarter of meager economic growth has changed nothing. Another surge of corporate profits merely underscores how easily high finance can prosper even as most of the country suffers.

Your college econ professor would have pointed to today's data and told you that it reaffirms the recovery. The economy works like the seasons. The spring may be unseasonably cool and summer long in coming, but it must be on the way, because that is how the economy works.

Yet the times keep straining that faith, while the people who are supposed to be leading the pursuit a fix engage in the only industry that has never been in recession: going on cable television and blaming the other guys.
 
We taxpayers have handed hundreds of billions of dollars to the same mortgage and insurance industry that started all the trouble with its reckless gambling. We have bailed out General Motors. We have distributed tax cuts to businesses that were supposed to use this lubrication to expand and hire.

For our dollars, we have been rewarded with the staving off of potential financial Armageddon and the stabilizing of a real economy that was teetering dangerously toward the abyss. That certainly is something, but it falls far short of the only thing that can end this disaster on a meaningful scale: large numbers of quality paychecks.

The govt can't create jobs, they only create debt. I've been saying this since I came to the board

The academicians from Princeton, Harvard & Yale don't understand how to create a job
 
The govt can't create jobs, they only create debt. I've been saying this since I came to the board

The academicians from Princeton, Harvard & Yale don't understand how to create a job

The academicians from Princeton, Harvard & Yale don't understand how to create a job

Hoover Dam, Interstate Highway System, NASA...

:lol:

What school did you go to?
 
expound............please expound! For instance, there is demand in the black community for a wide variety of things..........Where are the jobs?

I thought it was academic.

If I want some equipment moved from my studio and I can't handle it myself, I hire help. Demand, I need help, job created.

If I find the cure for cancer, but no one purchases it then their is no demand, thus no job.

The latter example also illustrates how government can spur or create jobs. Government funded research or government contracts create new technologies, i.e., DARPA, CDC, NASA etc. These technologies are made commercially viable to the private sector, i.e., the Internet, drugs, communications technology etc.. A demand is created an thus jobs.

Econ 101,

Academic!
 
If I want some equipment moved from my studio and I can't handle it myself, I hire help. Demand, I need help, job created.

Temporary, at best.

Like I said earlier, it's plenty of demand in the black community......Where are the jobs?

The latter example also illustrates how government can spur or create jobs. Government funded research or government contracts create new technologies, i.e., DARPA, CDC, NASA etc. These technologies are made commercially viable to the private sector, i.e., the Internet, drugs, communications technology etc.. A demand is created an thus jobs.

Sure, govt has noble intentions but most initiatives are costly, intrusive, & inefficient. For example, TSA! Napolitano, Chertoff, or whoever would tell you: Think of how many more jobs we could create by putting TSA agents at bus stops, train & subway stations. Bruh, That Is Not Productive!

Econ 101,

Academic!

At the top of the chain, there is the entreprenuer. He/she has an idea & assembles talent which is responsible for delivering a product or service, at a profit, to the marketplace. If that entreprenuer can be successful at taking this risk, jobs are created! No govt intervention whatsoever.

I'm tempted to write article about capital accumulation because we can all be entreprenuers & control our own destinies!

:eek: The Lions tryin to play some ball today ! ! ! !
 
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Temporary, at best.

Like I said earlier, it's plenty of demand in the black community......Where are the jobs?
C'mon bro, you didn't make a distinction (long/short term) when you asked him how jobs are created. His "demand" response was apparently adequate (seeing that you didn't deny it), instead, you added the above late qualification (temporary at best) LOL.

With respect to where are the jobs: the reason there are no jobs under the your scenario above (in the black community) is that there is a lack of money to hire & buy. But that doesn't hold in the "big bidness world" does it? -- in fact, we've read article after article, including the one at the top of this thread, chronicling big bidness's stashin the cash.

What is it waiting on? - hope that it will get a better deal if the people you want elected get in? Is that what best for the country, or just whats best for the greedy bastards ??? And, before you dare say think it, I'm not a socialist or any of the other buzz words currently in vogue. I believe in the free market, capitalism, entrepreneurship, etc., but these concepts DO NOT exist and cannot be practiced literally. They all involve the human element and, unfortunately, human conduct must be regulated.

QueEx
 
expound............please expound! For instance, there is demand in the black community for a wide variety of things..........Where are the jobs?


You don't see jobs created by Blacks in the Black community because there is no political or economic will for it by Blacks. We see that is the case because other races come into the community and create businesses and get our money daily. It's almost like our community is a bargaining chip in global economics. Like foriegners can open businesses there in exchange for Americans selling goods in their countries. Jobs are not created by demand as much as they are created by political and economic will.
 
From demand.

I see why your understanding of how the economy works is incomplete.

The other part of that is supply.

Once you have supply AND demand, then you can talk about jobs.

Otherwise, you are just talking about waste.

But, if you believe in the Federal government, your answer makes perfect sense.
 
Those that say the government doesn't create jobs are pure idiots. The federal government is the biggest employer in the United States. If you count all the federal government jobs with all the state jobs supported with government money to all the companies who's chief source of income is federal funds (ie. hospitals, defense contractors etc) there is no doubt that the 1-2 trillion dollars in tax revenue the government receives each year helps support this massive system.

So how does the Government create jobs? Simple make it a condition of receiving money. There are plenty of bills that add job creation as a condition of receiving federal funds. If you cannot prove that x amount of jobs were created from your receipt of federal funds you give that money back.

So absent the federal government actually hiring people or creating jobs for people the other option is to force these huge companies that relie on government money for support to increase hiring and cut executive salaries. But this is way too "social" for most people.

Bottom line is there is a one word answer why corporate profits are at an all time high and there hasn't been an increase in jobs.

Greed. You can't stop people from being greedy but you can limit their ability to act on their greed. The only reason poor people don't support this is they hope to be rich and greedy one day themselves. lol
 
C'mon bro, you didn't make a distinction (long/short term) when you asked him how jobs are created. His "demand" response was apparently adequate (seeing that you didn't deny it), instead, you added the above late qualification (temporary at best) LOL.

This was done purposely, I want him to explain the process of how jobs are created. Just by replying 'demand' is an incomplete statement. I'm actually allowing him to complete his 'thoughts' in at a later point. I'm not disagreeing but I'm certainly not agreeing.

I'm not a socialist or any of the other buzz words currently in vogue. I believe in the free market, capitalism, entrepreneurship, etc., but these concepts DO NOT exist and cannot be practiced literally. They all involve the human element and, unfortunately, human conduct must be regulated.
QueEx

One of the roles of govt is to enforce contracts & seek out wrongdoers.

I'm not against regulation but over regulation leads to instances were new competitors cannot enter the market because of the exorbitant cost to comply with certain regulations. Its all good for the Too Big To Fails though!

With respect to where are the jobs: the reason there are no jobs under the your scenario above (in the black community) is that there is a lack of money to hire & buy. But that doesn't hold in the "big bidness world" does it? -- in fact, we've read article after article, including the one at the top of this thread, chronicling big bidness's stashin the cash.

I don't know the history of BGOL, but your knowledge is valuable to any young cats lookin to empower themselves or others. We gotta do that! I know someone had to save $$$ for the servers, someone had to research the technical side, as well as the legal hurdles. These are sacrifices that every entreprenuer must make to create oppurtunities for others in any community. We must learn to save money and share information

That's why understanding capital accumulation is so important to this discussion. Once that is fully understood, we will realize that taxes punish the savings of the 'working class' & deprives them from starting their own 'bidnesses', thus reducing competition for the Too Big To Fails.
 
This was done purposely, I want him to explain the process of how jobs are created. Just by replying 'demand' is an incomplete statement. I'm actually allowing him to complete his 'thoughts' in at a later point. I'm not disagreeing but I'm certainly not agreeing.
Oh. You were employing tricknology.


One of the roles of govt is to enforce contracts & seek out wrongdoers.
I agree in part and disagree, in part. The law enforcement function/role of government involves seeking out wrongdoers but I'm not entirely comfortable with with the statement that government's role is to enforce contracts.

It presumes that all contracts can or should be enforce (clearly, not all can or should) and I believe it presumes too much of role into private affairs. If the parties to a contract cannot work through their agreement, resort may be had to the judicial system to seek enforcement. In that role, government is a more of a referee with binding authority, but it is the litigants who are enforcing the rights and obligations arising out of their agreement.


I'm not against regulation but over regulation leads to instances were new competitors cannot enter the market because of the exorbitant cost to comply with certain regulations. Its all good for the Too Big To Fails though!
Now this is closer to the crux of the problem. The great majority of us would agree that there has to be some degree of regulation (the Anarchists on this board might disagree). The question is: what is over regulation? Is government acting properly when it seeks to safeguard worker safety? Or, is that same regulation too burdensome on business?

We may disagree over the question in any given regulatory situation, but who can deny that man, left to his own selfish devices, will act in a manner to benefit self which, more often than not, will be to the detriment of everyone else?


. . . understanding capital accumulation is so important to this discussion. Once that is fully understood, we will realize that taxes punish the savings of the 'working class' & deprives them from starting their own 'bidnesses', thus reducing competition for the Too Big To Fails.

Agreed.

QueEx
 
Now this is closer to the crux of the problem. The great majority of us would agree that there has to be some degree of regulation (the Anarchists on this board might disagree). The question is: what is over regulation? Is government acting properly when it seeks to safeguard worker safety? Or, is that same regulation too burdensome on business?

We may disagree over the question in any given regulatory situation, but who can deny that man, left to his own selfish devices, will act in a manner to benefit self which, more often than not, will be to the detriment of everyone else?


That's very clear that in the same year when insurance companies try to raise rates by 50%, mines collapse, and oil rigs explode, there are still people in government (on both sides) fighting against regulations of those industries.
 
I see why your understanding of how the economy works is incomplete.

The other part of that is supply.

Once you have supply AND demand, then you can talk about jobs.

Otherwise, you are just talking about waste.

But, if you believe in the Federal government, your answer makes perfect sense.

its been 2 days and the brotha hasn't attempted to complete his "Thoughts" nor has he came with an adequate rebuttal
...............In his own thread. :smh:
 
Just bringin a little motivation to the board, kinda long but informative.

Earvin "Magic" Johnson visits Google's Mountain View, CA headquarters to discuss his book "32 Ways to Be a Champion in Business." This event took place on March 10, 2009, as part of the Authors@Google series.

Earvin made the transition from great athlete to greater entrepreneur through hard work and by avidly pursuing opportunities. He recognized that densely populated urban communities were ripe for commercial and residential development. He partnered with major brands like Starbucks, 24 Hour Fitness, and T.G.I. Fridays to lead a major economic push in these communities. The success of his businesses proved that ethnically diverse urban residents would welcome and support major brands if given the opportunity. Earvin continues to be a leader of urban economic development that provides jobs, goods, and a new spirit of community.

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Magic represents the corporate greed aspect of business. He is selling fortune 500 in the ghetto so naturally his motives are the same as theirs. Nothing wrong with being colorblind and focused on the bottom line but he is strictly business. Americans want a new business model imo. Something that shows some compassion for the working class one that doesn't give all the money to the owners. Magic does represents the will power I mentioned earlier. He had the will to go into the community and sell movie tickets, Starbucks etc. If he can do it so can anyone with the willpower, self discipline, training and basic common sense.
 
Magic represents the corporate greed aspect of business. He is selling fortune 500 in the ghetto so naturally his motives are the same as theirs. Nothing wrong with being colorblind and focused on the bottom line but he is strictly business. Americans want a new business model imo. Something that shows some compassion for the working class one that doesn't give all the money to the owners. Magic does represents the will power I mentioned earlier. He had the will to go into the community and sell movie tickets, Starbucks etc. If he can do it so can anyone with the willpower, self discipline, training and basic common sense.

idk, looks to me like Magic is using his status to bring some positivity to the inner city. Yes, he's a businessman but respect the fact that he's the one taking the risk. So when it comes time for him to be rewarded, I aint got a problem wit it

I'm in agreement that Americans want a new business model, it's just hard to get to that point when the govt props-up failed businesses (bailouts). For instance, if GM was allowed to go bankrupt, their assets could've been sold off to an entity that could produce a car, at a profit. Voila, new business model! By rewarding failure (bailouts), it just allows the incompetent ones to continue with the same arrogant failed business practices
 
Magic status allows him to do things most of us can't do I guess that makes him part of the privileged class. But his vision and willpower are commendable. On the other hand the Black community is something like a 1 trillion dollar economy. If we were a independent nation we would be like the 13th largest economy. Like Magic says we buy more movie tickets than anyone else. We also spend more on cars, liquor, clothes and probably several other items. Blacks with the vision and privilege like Magic has can easily capitalize on the numbers. Thats why corporate America use Black people like Drake, Lebron, Rihanna etc. But the future is with the small businessperson who has the same vision and just a little more willpower than the bougies. There are several markets that can be cornered in the Black community as well as the rest of the world. lol
 
Happy Holiday's folks! I trust your Thanksgiving was joyous. I have been in and out of town for business and pleasure, checking in from time to time and have been quite amused at the responses. Some logical and obvious, others typical of certain mindsets. Let me continue were I left off:


Temporary, at best.

Like I said earlier, it's plenty of demand in the black community......Where are the jobs?

Lamarr, every job is basically temporary. This is a concept you off all people, Mr. Capitalist should understand. As long as the demand is constant, so goes the jobs.

The question is, who is fulfilling the demand in th Black community? Well Black women keep Koreans working at the Korean owned hair stores. The Indians and Middle Easterners are are fulfilling the demand at the Convenient Stores, whites are fulfilling the demand at the Liquor Stores. What little money we have is not exchanged to Black hands, even in the best of times. This is more than economics, it is pathology

Sure, govt has noble intentions but most initiatives are costly, intrusive, & inefficient. For example, TSA! Napolitano, Chertoff, or whoever would tell you: Think of how many more jobs we could create by putting TSA agents at bus stops, train & subway stations. Bruh, That Is Not Productive!

In many instances, the government is more efficient than the private sector. For example, Medicare is way more efficient than private insurance, Social Security is way more efficient than gambling on Wall Street and they haven't missed a payment in 70 years. This talking point on how a private security company would be more efficient and less intrusive than the TSA. How? If you had an issue with civil rights being abused, where would you complain to with a private company? Remember Blackwater?

At the top of the chain, there is the entreprenuer. He/she has an idea & assembles talent which is responsible for delivering a product or service, at a profit, to the marketplace. If that entreprenuer can be successful at taking this risk, jobs are created! No govt intervention whatsoever.

This is a redundant. I had a whole thread on this. Everyone has ideas. The ideas that become realized are nothing without labor and the successful ideas are nothing without skilled and quality labor. Many successful ideas are not profitable right away. For example, most pharmaceuticals are invented by publicly (government) funded universities and research centers and then developed by drug companies. Many materials developed for space technology were invented by government commissioned and funded sources. Most private sources, especially these days will not invest the amount out of money on research with out a quick profit. The days of Bell Labs is over. In fact Bell Labs was sustained by the monopoly the Bell System had and much of their research has been underwritten by the Defense Department and NASA. Both government!

I'm tempted to write article about capital accumulation because we can all be entreprenuers & control our own destinies!

If you entrepreneurial, you still need seed money. The government is a major source.


:eek: The Lions tryin to play some ball today ! ! ! !

They lost!:lol:
 
I see why your understanding of how the economy works is incomplete.

The other part of that is supply.

Once you have supply AND demand, then you can talk about jobs.

Otherwise, you are just talking about waste.

But, if you believe in the Federal government, your answer makes perfect sense.


Are we experiencing inflation? Is their a run on anything? Supply is not an issue. The world capacity for manufacturing is glutted. And also with out demand, what can you supply?

Try again.
 
Are we experiencing inflation? Is their a run on anything? Supply is not an issue. The world capacity for manufacturing is glutted. And also with out demand, what can you supply?

Try again.

You have a partial understanding of how an economy works.

Let me help you.

There is price and quantity. They measure supply and demand.

It prevents "runs" and "bubbles" and "bailouts" and other BS that you think are inevitable but are only due to government meddling.

Now, to have a job, there has to be a price and quantity of something to make a job necessary. If the government interferes in the market to prevent anyone from knowing the real price and true quantity, there is no way to know if a job is worth doing.

It's too many people like you making decisions, which is why the economy will never recover.
 
You have a partial understanding of how an economy works.

Let me help you.

There is price and quantity. They measure supply and demand.

It prevents "runs" and "bubbles" and "bailouts" and other BS that you think are inevitable but are only due to government meddling.

Now, to have a job, there has to be a price and quantity of something to make a job necessary. If the government interferes in the market to prevent anyone from knowing the real price and true quantity, there is no way to know if a job is worth doing.

It's too many people like you making decisions, which is why the economy will never recover.


Is this the reason that we have record profits and no jobs?
 
So you're right and the experts are wrong. You must be one of the wealthy!

I don't think you know what wealthy is.

Just because a dollar amount is higher does not mean there is more wealth.

There is this thing called inflation that makes these "record profits" an illusion.
 
I don't think you know what wealthy is.

Just because a dollar amount is higher does not mean there is more wealth.

There is this thing called inflation that makes these "record profits" an illusion.


Your right again, the wealthy got poor.:smh:
 
Your right again, the wealthy got poor.:smh:

In your world, it is either / or.

It is rich / poor, good / bad, left / right, Democrat / Republican, capitalist / socialist.

I guess to you, every issue only has 2 possibilities.

That's original.
 
In your world, it is either / or.

It is rich / poor, good / bad, left / right, Democrat / Republican, capitalist / socialist.

I guess to you, every issue only has 2 possibilities.

That's original.

Not speaking for thought

But in this world there is a lot of gray area but that area is getting slimmer and slimmer all the time. The difference between rich and poor widens and with that the influence of those who are not rich lessens.
Also some times, there is good and there is bad but it's easier to figure out which is which when we know the difference between honesty and lies.
Left/Right is meaningless, as can be Republican/Democrats and capitalist/socialist is even more meaningless.
 
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