Reactions to John Amaechi homosexuality.

[DJCandle]

Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

I was watching ESPN this morning and the subject of John Amaechi came up and I wanted to see if anybody was talking about on here. If this is a repost, I apologize for bringing back this subject but I would like to get an idea of what people's opinions are on this.

In light of John Amaechi writing his tell all book entitled, "The Man in the Middle" there are many different reactions going on about this. Most recently were the comments made by Tim Hardaway stating that "he hates gay people" and that "he wouldn't want anything to do with them" and that he is "homophobic." Though Hardaway later apologized for his comments, it still feels as if this is the general consensus about homosexuals today. Being on this website long enough, i've seen it first hand, and I know the general feel about this topic. But I also know that there a vast majority out there that differ from that opinion, so I ask you this:

What are your thoughts on John Amaechi coming out of the closet? Do you feel he's right for doing so? Is he wrong for stating his opinion in a book?

My personal opinion on this matter is quite simple. It never affected me before I knew this book was coming out, no pun intended, and it simply doesn't affect me now. You know if 2 years down the line, Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady writes a book, after given there illustrious careers, and the joys they have given us on Sunday's, week in and week out, if they were to come out of the closet, to me, it would make absolutely no difference. They are still human beings that can throw footballs better than you and I could ever imagine. There lifestyles now aren't of too many questions nowadays. I still don't know if Peyton Manning has a girlfriend, or is married with kids. And if I never do then that's fine. It has nothing to do with how he's performs on Sundays, and it never will. Same thing with John Amaechi. It had no impact on his style of play in the NBA, and it shouldn't matter now. In todays society we are quick to stray away from the point. John Amaechi was an NBA player. How important is his lifestyle beyond that? And not only him, but any person for that matter. It isn't. He is what he is and that's where I leave it.

Again I apologize if this has been brought up already, but I ran a search and found only one other topic open about this, which is why I brought it up. Peace, respect.

 

[Big Chee]

Re: Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

John Amechi is an opportunist.

How can he finger point at the alleged homophobia of the NBA and its players if chose to hide his sexual preference until after his career was over?

It's the same issue I have with the gay community's lust (no pun intended) to compare their "struggle" to the black struggle. They can choose to enter that struggle, and like Amechi, stay quiet about it until its absolutely safe. OUr blackness never has that choice.

 

[TheKingofVa]

To be honest I could careless, I'm not a "homophobe". I don't give a fuck what the next man is fucking unless it was one of my relatives that was gay or my son. Otherwise they can do all the fudgepacking they want just keep that shit off my tv screen.

 

[BCSD2012]

Just because you hate faggots don't make you a homophobe.

 

[DJCandle]

Re: Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

John Amechi is an opportunist.

How can he finger point at the alleged homophobia of the NBA and its players if chose to hide his sexual preference until after his career was over?

It's the same issue I have with the gay community's lust (no pun intended) to compare their "struggle" to the black struggle. They can choose to enter that struggle, and like Amechi, stay quiet about it until its absolutely safe. OUr blackness never has that choice.

Well Amaechi was on radio this morning, and nowhere did I hear him point fingers at the NBA and its players about homophobia. If anything he agreed that Tim Hardaway's comments were fair and just, and it is the opinion of one man. He also stated that the reactions of Hardaway's were only of one man, and they did not reflect those of the NBA.

I do understand what you mean about the entrance into struggle though. It's a very good point. I ask you this though: In the world we live in, when can one render anything safe? When is it safe for a homosexual to come out and say "yeah this is me." Is there a time or place for this sort of thing? When is it safe for a Jewish person to come out and say, "we are the chosen ones of gods children." When is it safe for African Americans to come out and say "we have been abused for many years are refuse to take it." Somewhere along those lines you have to take a stand. So when is it "safe?"

 

[Dert Bagg]

Just because you hate faggots don't make you a homophobe.

As long the general consensus among members of the psychiatric community is that the "hate" impulse is a "fear" response (across the board), I'm afraid that is exactly what it makes you -- officially.

 

[BCSD2012]

So if I were to hate white people that would make me a crackaphobe? I don't follow your logic or the logic of the psychiatric communtiy. I hate faggots but I'm not afraid of them. I just think they are disgusting and sick. Fuck gay ass, aids spreading, dick sucking, ass fucking, faggots.

 

[DJCandle]

So if I were to hate white people that would make me a crackaphobe? I don't follow your logic or the logic of the psychiatric communtiy. I hate faggots but I'm not afraid of them. I just think they are disgusting and sick. Fuck gay ass, aids spreading, dick sucking, ass fucking, faggots.

You speak as though you have had prior experiences with this subject. Is that where your hatred towards homosexuals comes from?

 

[TheKingofVa]

You speak as though you have had prior experiences with this subject. Is that where your hatred towards homosexuals comes from?

 

[BCSD2012]

You speak as though you have had prior experiences with this subject. Is that where your hatred towards homosexuals comes from?

Oldest argument in the book homey. Try something new, that one is played out like you. I just hate faggots, point blank, plain and simple. I hate neo-Nazi's and I've never been around one of them either. I hate green eggs and ham too Sam I AM, so I guess I have prior experience with green eggs and ham.

 

[EATUGOOD1]

You speak as though you have had prior experiences with this subject. Is that where your hatred towards homosexuals comes from?

man, fags got shit on lock nowdays..if you dont accept what they do then your called out.

 

[FEB.14 1929]

Yo djcandle nobody knows you on here so keep it real do you suck dick?

 

[Dert Bagg]

So if I were to hate white people that would make me a crackaphobe? I don't follow your logic or the logic of the psychiatric communtiy. I hate faggots but I'm not afraid of them. I just think they are disgusting and sick. Fuck gay ass, aids spreading, dick sucking, ass fucking, faggots.

The term "crackaphobe" is not generally in use among the psychiatric or sociological circles, but it could very well apply. That we use "homophobe" to apply to folks who hate (or are prejudiced against) homosexuals is an accident of etymological history. It was coined in contrast to the concept of "homophilia" in more specific studies of social gender roles, but for whatever reason was latched onto at some point to describe anti-gay prejudice generally. There are many folks who challenge the accuracy of the term in describing all anti-gay bigotry.

But we are talking about "hate" here. "Hate" and "anger" are both related to fear. It is the psychological precursor to both. If you hate crackers, you gotta have a reason. That reason is rooted in some point in fear (our history here no doubt supports a fear of their conduct). Same with crackers who "hate" black folks -- fear is at the root.

Still some folks prejudiced against homosexuals don't hate or fear them. They just disregard their behavior as deviant and choose to reinforce the chauvinism against them. But you said "hate". So there you are. You say you hate homosexuality, so I would say that yes you are afraid of homosexuality. It sounds like you are afraid of its presence and its recent growth in acceptance.

 

[DJCandle]

Oldest argument in the book homey. Try something new, that one is played out like you. I just hate faggots, point blank, plain and simple. I hate neo-Nazi's and I've never been around one of them either. I hate green eggs and ham too Sam I AM, so I guess I have prior experience with green eggs and ham.

Wow. There was no sarcasm here whatsoever. Let me clear the air for you here before this gets out of hand. There's no attack on you here my friend. But with the vindication in your words, almost seemed as if, you yourself have had a prior experience with homosexuality. Whether it be bad or good, I dont know. That's what I was asking. That's what I was trying to understand. And I further understand where your coming from. You have your reasons for what you feel and I respect that. Don't take it as an attack, contrary to what the little ignorant ones on here may say.

 

[Big Chee]

Re: Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

In the world we live in, when can one render anything safe? When is it safe for a homosexual to come out and say "yeah this is me." Is there a time or place for this sort of thing? When is it safe for a Jewish person to come out and say, "we are the chosen ones of gods children." When is it safe for African Americans to come out and say "we have been abused for many years are refuse to take it." Somewhere along those lines you have to take a stand. So when is it "safe?"

Are you trying to imply that blacks were somehow "safe" or sheltered from harm if even quiet about their feelings?

That's why those questions you asked aren't even on the same page. You're trying to put our struggle in the same boat of others who can fan safety in their silence. We can't. Our color is always outspoken.

Cut the crap man.

 

[BCSD2012]

The term "crackaphobe" is not generally in use among the psychiatric or sociological circles, but it could very well apply. That we use "homophobe" to apply to folks who hate (or are prejudiced against) homosexuals is an accident of etymological history. It was coined in contrast to the concept of "homophilia" in more specific studies of social gender roles, but for whatever reason was latched onto at some point to describe anti-gay prejudice generally. There are many folks who challenge the accuracy of the term in describing all anti-gay bigotry.

But we are talking about "hate" here. "Hate" and "anger" are both related to fear. It is the psychological precursor to both. If you hate crackers, you gotta have a reason. That reason is rooted in some point in fear (our history here no doubt supports a fear of their conduct). Same with crackers who "hate" black folks -- fear is at the root.

Still some folks prejudiced against homosexuals don't hate or fear them. They just disregard their behavior as deviant and choose to reinforce the chauvinism against them. But you said "hate". So there you are. You say you hate homosexuality, so I would say that yes you are afraid of homosexuality. It sounds like you are afraid of its presence and its recent growth in acceptance.

blah,blah,blah,blah, fuck all that talk shit homey. I know who I am and I know how I feel, don't need no one to tell me that. On the realla fuck faggots and anyone who calls me a homophobe because I don't endorse a man kissing, sucking, and fucking another man. Next thing you know people gonna be telling me I'm a beastophobe because I don't endorse bestiality.

 

[UnoBetter2]

Oldest argument in the book homey. Try something new, that one is played out like you. I just hate faggots, point blank, plain and simple. I hate neo-Nazi's and I've never been around one of them either. I hate green eggs and ham too Sam I AM, so I guess I have prior experience with green eggs and ham.

Hell I hate green eggs and ham too!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DJCandle]

Re: Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

Are you trying to imply that blacks were somehow "safe" or sheltered from harm if even quiet about their feelings?

That's why those questions you asked aren't even on the same page. You're trying to put our struggle in the same boat of others who can fan safety in their silence. We can't. Our color is always outspoken.

Cut the crap man.

No absolutely not. What I was asking you was, when is it safe to come out and say something? Is there a time and place for everything? Black people stepped up and did everything possible to end racial difference. Was the time correct? Absolutely. It needed to stop, so people spoke. Perfect timing.

Maybe this was a bad example, so let me clarify the question. What i'm asking you is, when is it ok in this culture we live in today to be different from the norm? Is it ok to be hispanic and walk down wall street? Is it ok to be an African American president? Is it ok to be a homosexual walking down the street? When does the time come that we as a nation put down the hatred/fear and accept people for who they are, and what they've become.

 

[Big Chee]

Re: Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

No absolutely not. What I was asking you was, when is it safe to come out and say something? Is there a time and place for everything? Black people stepped up and did everything possible to end racial difference. Was the time correct? Absolutely. It needed to stop, so people spoke. Perfect timing.

Maybe this was a bad example, so let me clarify the question. What i'm asking you is, when is it ok in this culture we live in today to be different from the norm? Is it ok to be hispanic and walk down wall street? Is it ok to be an African American president? Is it ok to be a homosexual walking down the street? When does the time come that we as a nation put down the hatred/fear and accept people for who they are, and what they've become.

I work on Wall Street and see Hispanics all the time.

And AGAIN, how do you pick out a homosexual walking down the street to the degree you can pick out an African American walking down the street?

What's apart of the homosexual physical make up that makes them easy to identify unless you believe they're all flamboyant?

Stop trying to put us in the same shoes. It's lame.

 

[Dert Bagg]

blah,blah,blah,blah, fuck all that talk shit homey. I know who I am and I know how I feel, don't need no one to tell me that. On the realla fuck faggots and anyone who calls me a homophobe because I don't endorse a man kissing, sucking, and fucking another man. Next thing you know people gonna be telling me I'm a beastophobe because I don't endorse bestiality.

Damn, homey....you didn't even read the shit.
Its not an attack; I'm just explaining the term you seem to misunderstand.

The "fear" isn't like, "I'm afraid of them gettin me." Its a deeper fear of the consequences of another groups behavior/existence. You got a 6'10, 300lb Neo-Nazi who hates Jews, but he ain't afraid of Woody Allen in a dark alley....he's afraid of the consequences of what he thinks Jews have the power and intent to do (taking over the world, hoarding wealth etc.)

I'm not saying that hating gays means you are afraid of a particular gay person or group of gay people. The issue is that you fear the consequences of unchecked homosexual behavior in society. (Don't you?) The same what that you might fear the consequences of unchecked Republicanism in society. If you "hate" republicans, there is something you fear about their agenda. And yes the same thing with Beastiality, if that became an increasing social trend, it would certainly give me something to fear.

 

[DJCandle]

Re: Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

I work on Wall Street and see Hispanics all the time.

And AGAIN, how do you pick out a homosexual walking down the street to the degree you can pick out an African American walking down the street?

What's apart of the homosexual physical make up that makes them easy to identify unless you believe they're all flamboyant?

Stop trying to put us in the same shoes. It's lame.

You may see a Hispanic on wall street all the time. That in part because you are probably ok with it. And that's great. We all should be. But the fact is, we all aren't. As a collective whole, do you believe some people see hispanics on wall street and dont think twice? As in "how did he/she get here? There hispanic. They shouldn't be here." Reality deems different my friend. I understand in our worlds it is more than ok. Its a great mountain climbed. But unfortunately that's not the majority consensus.

Like it or not my friend, i'm not putting you in the same boat. That boat has been long sailed and gone now. You classify yourself as a black man or a human being?

 

[UnoBetter2]

blah,blah,blah,blah, fuck all that talk shit homey. I know who I am and I know how I feel, don't need no one to tell me that. On the realla fuck faggots and anyone who calls me a homophobe because I don't endorse a man kissing, sucking, and fucking another man. Next thing you know people gonna be telling me I'm a beastophobe because I don't endorse bestiality.

Dayammm Down S. you on point on this one. Wrong is wrong and this gay movement is getting way out of line. When society forces someone to go into rehab, i.e. Isaiah Washington, but for over 400 years to allow a society to openly practice racism something is definately wrong. Why hasn't there been what they call sensitivity training for all white people as a requirement to keep their daym job. Maybe then we will stop having White Man meltdowns like Richardson did at the comedy club. Lets address that shit!!

John Buttmunchi is just trying to make some money and could give a fuck about the gay movement he just trying to line his daym pockets and promote his new book. Fuck that why didn't he just come out to be comin out! Why only come out when the book is comin out, Nigaa Plezz. It's the popular thing to do, being gay is profitable right now but, at some point all these people will find out that most of society does not agree with their life style and really could care less.

And when it comes to fear they are actually creating fear by attacking anyone who speaks against their life style and by that silencing those that are really afraid to speak out. Ok thats my two cents now fuck this thread, I'm going to look at me some pussy!!

 

[Big Chee]

Re: Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

You may see a Hispanic on wall street all the time. That in part because you are probably ok with it. And that's great. We all should be. But the fact is, we all aren't. As a collective whole, do you believe some people see hispanics on wall street and dont think twice? As in "how did he/she get here? There hispanic. They shouldn't be here." Reality deems different my friend. I understand in our worlds it is more than ok. Its a great mountain climbed. But unfortunately that's not the majority consensus.

Like it or not my friend, i'm not putting you in the same boat. That boat has been long sailed and gone now. You classify yourself as a black man or a human being?

Dog, who gives a fukk about me being "ok" with something?

Why don't you answer my questions instead of answering my questions with a question?

I'll even quote, bold and italic it for you so you can ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

how do you pick out a homosexual walking down the street to the degree you can pick out an African American walking down the street?

What's apart of the homosexual physical make up that makes them easy to identify unless you believe they're all flamboyant?

 

[DJCandle]

Re: Reactions to John Amaechi's homosexuality.

Dog, who gives a fukk about me being "ok" with something?

Why don't you answer my questions instead of answering my questions with a question?

I'll even quote, bold and italic it for you so you can ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

My mistake, I didnt answer your question. And to answer your question, you can't. You would be more hard pressed to pick out a homosexual than an African American. African American's you can see on every street corner in America. Good luck picking out a homosexual though.

As far there physical goes, they come from all different walks of life correct? They can look like you, me, the guy at the corner deli, it dont matter. There's no one "way" a homosexual looks. It can be anyone at any given moment of any day. Show me the get up of one specific way a homosexual looks.

My fault for not answering that.

 

[RichNice]

I agree with Charles Barkely on this one. He's gay...who gives a fuck. If he was a real man he would have came out when he was still playing to address the issue. Him coming out 4 years after leaving the league has no fucking affect at all. He just trying to sell come fucking books thats it.

 

[DJCandle]

I agree with Charles Barkely on this one. He's gay...who gives a fuck. If he was a real man he would have came out when he was still playing to address the issue. Him coming out 4 years after leaving the league has no fucking affect at all. He just trying to sell come fucking books thats it.

A real man, that's a homosexual. Where could he go with this?

 

[DJCandle]

bump

 

[Swole718]

stop bumpin this stupid ass thread! WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT A FAG EXCEPT ANOTHER FAG


cuzzin I ain't sayin you homo but this subject is a mute fuckin point. He's gay, WHO CARES! if YOU'RE GAY, who cares!


for those of us who enjoy the sweet smell of PUSSY keep that gay shit away from us and keep it to those that are gay.


the thought of a 7 foot fag does bother me!

 

[XXXplosive]

Why does the media feel as if they have to get EVERYBODY'S opinion on a gay player?

Like it even really matters what other people think

 

[RichNice]

Why does the media feel as if they have to get EVERYBODY'S opinion on a gay player?

Like it even really matters what other people think

Co-sign

 

[BCSD2012]

Damn, homey....you didn't even read the shit.
Its not an attack; I'm just explaining the term you seem to misunderstand.

The "fear" isn't like, "I'm afraid of them gettin me." Its a deeper fear of the consequences of another groups behavior/existence. You got a 6'10, 300lb Neo-Nazi who hates Jews, but he ain't afraid of Woody Allen in a dark alley....he's afraid of the consequences of what he thinks Jews have the power and intent to do (taking over the world, hoarding wealth etc.)

I'm not saying that hating gays means you are afraid of a particular gay person or group of gay people. The issue is that you fear the consequences of unchecked homosexual behavior in society. (Don't you?) The same what that you might fear the consequences of unchecked Republicanism in society. If you "hate" republicans, there is something you fear about their agenda. And yes the same thing with Beastiality, if that became an increasing social trend, it would certainly give me something to fear.

I understood the term, it's just that I hate terms. Everyting has to have a label, be catergorized, and put into this neat well defined space to make people feel more comfortable. I was being facetious. However there logic is flawed when they say you are a phobe because you hate or have a prejudice against something. I hate robbers, jackers, jump out boys, kick door boys, etc. too. I hate the way my feet look so do I have a footphobia.

 

[Jakesnake]

I just think that he needed some money and by him writing the book stating that he is a gay man that kept it quiet in the NBA, may get someone to buy it.

He is getting more attention now than he did in all the years total played in the league. C'mon he only averaged 6 points a game and played for three different teams. He is a Nomad!!!

 

[BCSD2012]

Dayammm Down S. you on point on this one. Wrong is wrong and this gay movement is getting way out of line. When society forces someone to go into rehab, i.e. Isaiah Washington, but for over 400 years to allow a society to openly practice racism something is definately wrong. Why hasn't there been what they call sensitivity training for all white people as a requirement to keep their daym job. Maybe then we will stop having White Man meltdowns like Richardson did at the comedy club. Lets address that shit!!

John Buttmunchi is just trying to make some money and could give a fuck about the gay movement he just trying to line his daym pockets and promote his new book. Fuck that why didn't he just come out to be comin out! Why only come out when the book is comin out, Nigaa Plezz. It's the popular thing to do, being gay is profitable right now but, at some point all these people will find out that most of society does not agree with their life style and really could care less.

And when it comes to fear they are actually creating fear by attacking anyone who speaks against their life style and by that silencing those that are really afraid to speak out. Ok thats my two cents now fuck this thread, I'm going to look at me some pussy!!

I feel you homey. I'm starting to hate this whole gay movement shit. Why in the fuck are we wrong and have to go to rehab because we don't like them. That shit is fucked up, it's almost like they are trying to reprogram you and change your views, thougts and ideas. I'm not going to rehab for calling a faggot a faggot. Send the faggot to rehab and lock his gay ass in a room with pinky, some purp, some Hendog and some X for a couple of days and see if he still is gay when it's all over.

 

[Legacyns]

Why does the media feel as if they have to get EVERYBODY'S opinion on a gay player?

Like it even really matters what other people think

Co fuckin sign...

Who fuckin cares...

 

[Big Chee]

"A real man" takes on the fight knowing he has everything to lose in doing so. Much like the black freedom fighters in the past.

If anything, John Amechi is anything but a real man and decided to take on whatever his so-called fight is AFTER hiding in the closet as a professional athlete.

This is all about money. He should not be cannonised.