No. You'll never convince me that i can provoke you to do anything until i develop telepathy.
Ray Rice video punching then-fiancee emerges
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No. You'll never convince me that i can provoke you to do anything until i develop telepathy.
Just watched the video that they zoomed in on now don't you agree that spitting in a person's face will bring the lion (fuck dog)out of them? Now he spit in her face and she just kept walking now if you think she had the normal reaction of a person with spit on their face go and spit in your girl's face and see what her reaction is. I bet you she comes out and tell everyone how he how he's been Hitting her from the beginning.
That interview demonstrates that a person can grow because Lord Jamar is a self confessed example.
He realizes that most folks don't have the tool to steer clears of the foolishness and violent actions.
He realizes the dumb shit of his youth and declares no woman can do something that will make him wild out.
Redemption is possible even probable.
That wasn't a one time thing
He spit on her, she did that little swing to retaliate, and then got on the same elevator with him.
It's obvious she's been battered and has no self esteem
She's blaming the media for what they did to her family
Dude didn't even publicly apologize to her during his first press conference and she was right beside him. It shows you what he really thinks of her.
yeah, like you have never heard of the term pushing buttons.....
Any mother and daughter relationship will refute that.
Women push each other's buttons all the time.
Men push men's buttons challenging their manhood or to impress other men and/or women.
Insecure men short men etc. tend to be more sensitive and defensive.
A woman can provoke a reaction from a man...just like a man can provoke a reaction from a woman.
We all do it to some extent.
That being said?
You can't allow yourself to be provoked like that.
We as men particularly Black Men need to have more mental stamina, security intelligence self control and sense of self.
Yeah, like you have never heard of the terms act like an adult. Control yourself. Control your own actions. Be responsible. Be accountable for your own actions. Make wise decisions. Don't let others influence you.
My examples of men are very different.
SSSSSSSSSHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
you can cross the line with anyone, everyone has a rubicon. Individuals have varying thresholds. My mother is patient to the point of apathy, but once a fast food worker threw a bag of biscuits at her and I didn't know who she was? Combine a personal line with an elevated emotional state *boom
Humans are not stoic, detached, robots
My view is different. And i am not around men who think they can be provoked by a woman's words.
in order to have redemption you have to deal with consequences...
Now 4 more people who were in that meeting have come forward to say that there was NO ambiguity about what Rice told Goodell. They said that he made it VERY clear that he punched his girl and knocked her out. Even though Ray's a piece of crap, where the fuck is his joke of a union?!
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He has dealt with legal system, the league, his team and most importantly, his family.
Dude ain't hiding out on some island acting like his ain't done shit.
He ain't living in exile to avoid prosecution.
Dude confessed his sins to the world. He plead guilty to a crime. He owned his actions.
Do you want him beaten in the public square or beaten while tied to a tree?
He been living with his shit during February, March, April, May, June, July, August and now September. He is going to live with this shit for the rest of his life.
The NFLPA aint going to help Ray Rice....
Sources: Rice told NFL he hit fiancee
Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched his then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."
Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.
"Ray didn't lie to the commissioner," a source with knowledge of the meeting told "Outside the Lines." "He told the full truth to Goodell -- he made it clear he had hit her, and he told Goodell he was sorry and that it wouldn't happen again."
"He told the truth," a second source said. "This is a public lynching of Ray."
A third source with knowledge of Rice's discussion with the commissioner said: "There was no ambiguity about what happened [in the elevator]." A fourth source also confirmed how the information was relayed at the meeting; however, a fifth source with knowledge of the meeting said Rice told Goodell he had "slapped" his fiancee.
The accounts given by the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, contradict Goodell's statement that he did not know precisely what had happened inside the elevator until he watched the TMZ Sports-released videotape on Monday morning. After The Associated Press reported Wednesday that a copy of the in-elevator video was sent by a law enforcement official to an unnamed NFL executive last April, the league announced former FBI chief Robert Mueller would lead an independent inquiry of the Rice matter, overseen by New York Giants owner John Mara and Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney.
The discrepancy raises additional questions about Goodell's decision to give the former Baltimore Ravens running back a two-game suspension on July 24 for hitting his now-wife.
In his letter explaining the reasons for the two-game suspension and financial penalties of $500,000, Goodell wrote to Rice, "As you acknowledged during our meeting, your conduct was unquestionably inconsistent with league policies and the standard of behavior required of everyone who is part of the NFL. The league is an entity that depends on integrity and in the confidence of the public, and we simply cannot tolerate conduct that endangers others or reflects negatively on our game. This is particularly true with respect to domestic violence and other forms of violence against women."
Rice's alleged "ambiguity" during his meeting with Goodell may also emerge as an issue in Rice's expected appeal of the league's decision on Monday to suspend him indefinitely. A league disciplinary letter outlining the reasons for Monday's suspension has still not been received by Rice or his representatives, two sources said Thursday. After the letter is received, Rice is planning on filing an appeal of Goodell's suspension of an indefinite number of games.
During the CBS News interview, the network's Norah O'Donnell reminded Goodell that an earlier TMZ Sports-released security camera video, made public last February, showed Rice dragging his fiancee's unconscious body from the elevator.
"We did not know what led up to that," Goodell replied. "We did not know the details of that. We asked for that on several occasions." Goodell has said the league asked for the video from four law enforcement agencies shortly after the incident and again after Rice was accepted into a pre-trial intervention program on May 20.
Besides the first TMZ video and Rice's own account of what happened during the June 16 meeting, Goodell also had access to an Atlantic City Municipal Court complaint, dated Feb. 15, which is public record. The complaint alleges Rice committed "assault by attempting to cause bodily injury to J. Palmer, specifically by striking [her] with [his] hand, rendering her unconscious, at the Revel casino."
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello declined to comment Thursday afternoon.
Rice's lawyer, Michael J. Diamondstein, declined to comment.
A representative of the players' union also declined to comment.
Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said this week that Rice was truthful about what happened inside the elevator -- as seen in the video released Monday -- in conversations he had had with him and Ravens coach John Harbaugh. "You know, Ray had given a story to John and I," Newsome told The Baltimore Sun. "And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didn't lie to me. He didn't lie to me."
On Wednesday, Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti appeared to contradict Newsome in a WBAL-TV interview in Baltimore, though: "The way it was described to us was that he had hit her with an open hand and that she had hit her head."
Goodell never said Rice had lied to him at the meeting. But he said that Rice's "ambiguous" comments were "not consistent with what was on that video. And when we saw that video it was clear what happened."
But a source close to Rice disputed that characterization. "Ray has never tried to hide what he did here," the source said. "He's told everyone the truth."
The June 16 meeting in Goodell's office in Manhattan was attended by Rice, his wife, two players' union representatives, Newsome and Ravens club president Dick Cass. The presence of two executives of the Ravens was unusual, multiple sources have told "Outside the Lines." Team executives rarely accompany a player to a disciplinary meeting with Goodell, according to several lawyers who have represented players and coaches on NFL disciplinary matters.
"It's highly unusual," said lawyer Peter Ginsberg, who has represented several dozen disciplinary cases of players and coaches before the NFL during Goodell's tenure. "I've never had a GM or an owner attend any proceeding involving players or coaches. In one particular instance, an owner was discouraged by the league from attending."
A league source said it was not unusual, though, for disciplinary hearings to be attended by team owners, team presidents and general managers.
Goodell was accompanied at the meeting by Adolpho Birch, the league's senior vice president for labor policy, and Jeff Pash, the NFL's general counsel.
During the meeting, a source said, Rice's wife asked Goodell not to harm Rice's career or his image with the public with severe sanctions. She had also assured the commissioner that the incident in the elevator was the only time Rice had struck her.
The Wall Street Journal on Thursday afternoon reported that a team owner said Goodell didn't punish Rice more harshly out of respect for Rice's wife and also because Goodell heard Janay Rice say that she had struck Rice as well. The story also said that Goodell "said he left the meeting believing that Janay Rice had become unconscious because she had fallen during the scuffle," according to the owner.
On July 24, Goodell announced that he was suspending Rice for the first two games of the 2014 NFL season. "I believe you are sincere in your desire to learn from this matter and move forward toward a healthy relationship and successful career," Goodell wrote to Rice.
Goodell apparently also was swayed by Rice's acceptance into a pre-trial intervention program (PTI), which mandated counseling and other requirements in exchange for the charges to be dropped and stay off his record. An Atlantic County grand jury increased the charges to aggravated assault in the third degree to cause bodily injury, presumably after watching the videotape of Rice striking his wife inside the elevator.
Legal advocates for battered women and defense lawyers told "Outside the Lines" it is highly unusual for such a case to be accepted into the pre-trial intervention program. The decision to allow Rice into the program meant he would not have a conviction on his record if he met court-mandated requirements. The decision was signed off on by a PTI court official, a prosecutor and a judge.
When Goodell decided to suspend Rice for two games, several NFL reporters, including a story by Peter King of Sports Illustrated, reported that the PTI result in Atlantic County was one of the factors that influenced Goodell when he decided on the two-game suspension.
On Wednesday, Atlantic County prosecutor James P. McClain defended referring Rice to pre-trial intervention, allowing him to avoid trial. The decision was made "after careful consideration of the law, careful consideration of the facts, hearing the voice of the victim and considering all the parameters," McClain told the Press of Atlantic City.
"People need to understand, the choice was not PTI versus five years' state prison," McClain said. "The choice was not PTI versus the No Early Release Act on a 10-year sentence. The parameters as they existed were: Is this a PTI case or a probation case?"
A spokesman for the Atlantic County prosecutor's office declined to release data on the number of aggravated assault in the third degree by causing bodily harm cases that were referred to the pre-trial intervention program. ESPN has filed a public record's request seeking the information. On Tuesday, ESPN sent a public records request to the Atlantic County prosecutor's office, the Atlantic City clerk, and the Atlantic City police department requesting records of all correspondence of anyone in those offices with anyone from the NFL or Baltimore Ravens, including any requests the NFL or Ravens would have made of records in the case, such as the video, from Feb. 15, to present. Under state law, the agencies must respond by Thursday, Sept. 18.
On Aug. 28, 11 days before the TMZ Sports video was published, Goodell wrote a letter to all 32 owners that toughened the league's domestic violence policy to a mandatory six game suspension for a first offense. "I didn't get it right," he said. "Simply put, we have to do better. And we will."
On Tuesday, Goodell acknowledged he did not need to see a videotape of Rice hitting his wife to determine a suitable punishment, repeating again that the two game suspension was a mistake.
"And I will tell you that what we saw on the first videotape was troubling to us in and of itself," he told CBS News. "And that's why we took the action we took. As I've said before, we didn't feel that was sufficient, we didn't get that right. But what we saw [Monday] was extremely clear, it was extremely graphic, and it was sickening."
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11509397/ray-rice-told-nfl-roger-goodell-june-had-hit-wife
Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on June 16 that he punched his then-fiancee in a casino elevator, four sources have told "Outside the Lines," an assertion that contradicts Goodell's statement this week that "when we met with Ray Rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened."
Goodell made the statement Tuesday during an interview with CBS News, saying the latest video released by TMZ Sports about the incident was "inconsistent" with what the former Baltimore Ravens running back had told him. But four sources close to Rice say that during the disciplinary meeting in the commissioner's office on June 16, Rice told Goodell he had hit Janay Rice, then his fiancee, in the face inside a Revel Casino Hotel elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and had knocked her unconscious.
"Ray didn't lie to the commissioner," a source with knowledge of the meeting told "Outside the Lines." "He told the full truth to Goodell -- he made it clear he had hit her, and he told Goodell he was sorry and that it wouldn't happen again."
"He told the truth," a second source said. "This is a public lynching of Ray."
A third source with knowledge of Rice's discussion with the commissioner said: "There was no ambiguity about what happened [in the elevator]." A fourth source also confirmed how the information was relayed at the meeting; however, a fifth source with knowledge of the meeting said Rice told Goodell he had "slapped" his fiancee.
The accounts given by the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, contradict Goodell's statement that he did not know precisely what had happened inside the elevator until he watched the TMZ Sports-released videotape on Monday morning. After The Associated Press reported Wednesday that a copy of the in-elevator video was sent by a law enforcement official to an unnamed NFL executive last April, the league announced former FBI chief Robert Mueller would lead an independent inquiry of the Rice matter, overseen by New York Giants owner John Mara and Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney.
The discrepancy raises additional questions about Goodell's decision to give the former Baltimore Ravens running back a two-game suspension on July 24 for hitting his now-wife.
In his letter explaining the reasons for the two-game suspension and financial penalties of $500,000, Goodell wrote to Rice, "As you acknowledged during our meeting, your conduct was unquestionably inconsistent with league policies and the standard of behavior required of everyone who is part of the NFL. The league is an entity that depends on integrity and in the confidence of the public, and we simply cannot tolerate conduct that endangers others or reflects negatively on our game. This is particularly true with respect to domestic violence and other forms of violence against women."
Rice's alleged "ambiguity" during his meeting with Goodell may also emerge as an issue in Rice's expected appeal of the league's decision on Monday to suspend him indefinitely. A league disciplinary letter outlining the reasons for Monday's suspension has still not been received by Rice or his representatives, two sources said Thursday. After the letter is received, Rice is planning on filing an appeal of Goodell's suspension of an indefinite number of games.
During the CBS News interview, the network's Norah O'Donnell reminded Goodell that an earlier TMZ Sports-released security camera video, made public last February, showed Rice dragging his fiancee's unconscious body from the elevator.
"We did not know what led up to that," Goodell replied. "We did not know the details of that. We asked for that on several occasions." Goodell has said the league asked for the video from four law enforcement agencies shortly after the incident and again after Rice was accepted into a pre-trial intervention program on May 20.
Besides the first TMZ video and Rice's own account of what happened during the June 16 meeting, Goodell also had access to an Atlantic City Municipal Court complaint, dated Feb. 15, which is public record. The complaint alleges Rice committed "assault by attempting to cause bodily injury to J. Palmer, specifically by striking [her] with [his] hand, rendering her unconscious, at the Revel casino."
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello declined to comment Thursday afternoon.
Rice's lawyer, Michael J. Diamondstein, declined to comment.
A representative of the players' union also declined to comment.
Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said this week that Rice was truthful about what happened inside the elevator -- as seen in the video released Monday -- in conversations he had had with him and Ravens coach John Harbaugh. "You know, Ray had given a story to John and I," Newsome told The Baltimore Sun. "And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didn't lie to me. He didn't lie to me."
On Wednesday, Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti appeared to contradict Newsome in a WBAL-TV interview in Baltimore, though: "The way it was described to us was that he had hit her with an open hand and that she had hit her head."
Goodell never said Rice had lied to him at the meeting. But he said that Rice's "ambiguous" comments were "not consistent with what was on that video. And when we saw that video it was clear what happened."
But a source close to Rice disputed that characterization. "Ray has never tried to hide what he did here," the source said. "He's told everyone the truth."
The June 16 meeting in Goodell's office in Manhattan was attended by Rice, his wife, two players' union representatives, Newsome and Ravens club president Dick Cass. The presence of two executives of the Ravens was unusual, multiple sources have told "Outside the Lines." Team executives rarely accompany a player to a disciplinary meeting with Goodell, according to several lawyers who have represented players and coaches on NFL disciplinary matters.
"It's highly unusual," said lawyer Peter Ginsberg, who has represented several dozen disciplinary cases of players and coaches before the NFL during Goodell's tenure. "I've never had a GM or an owner attend any proceeding involving players or coaches. In one particular instance, an owner was discouraged by the league from attending."
A league source said it was not unusual, though, for disciplinary hearings to be attended by team owners, team presidents and general managers.
Goodell was accompanied at the meeting by Adolpho Birch, the league's senior vice president for labor policy, and Jeff Pash, the NFL's general counsel.
During the meeting, a source said, Rice's wife asked Goodell not to harm Rice's career or his image with the public with severe sanctions. She had also assured the commissioner that the incident in the elevator was the only time Rice had struck her.
The Wall Street Journal on Thursday afternoon reported that a team owner said Goodell didn't punish Rice more harshly out of respect for Rice's wife and also because Goodell heard Janay Rice say that she had struck Rice as well. The story also said that Goodell "said he left the meeting believing that Janay Rice had become unconscious because she had fallen during the scuffle," according to the owner.
On July 24, Goodell announced that he was suspending Rice for the first two games of the 2014 NFL season. "I believe you are sincere in your desire to learn from this matter and move forward toward a healthy relationship and successful career," Goodell wrote to Rice.
Goodell apparently also was swayed by Rice's acceptance into a pre-trial intervention program (PTI), which mandated counseling and other requirements in exchange for the charges to be dropped and stay off his record. An Atlantic County grand jury increased the charges to aggravated assault in the third degree to cause bodily injury, presumably after watching the videotape of Rice striking his wife inside the elevator.
Legal advocates for battered women and defense lawyers told "Outside the Lines" it is highly unusual for such a case to be accepted into the pre-trial intervention program. The decision to allow Rice into the program meant he would not have a conviction on his record if he met court-mandated requirements. The decision was signed off on by a PTI court official, a prosecutor and a judge.
When Goodell decided to suspend Rice for two games, several NFL reporters, including a story by Peter King of Sports Illustrated, reported that the PTI result in Atlantic County was one of the factors that influenced Goodell when he decided on the two-game suspension.
On Wednesday, Atlantic County prosecutor James P. McClain defended referring Rice to pre-trial intervention, allowing him to avoid trial. The decision was made "after careful consideration of the law, careful consideration of the facts, hearing the voice of the victim and considering all the parameters," McClain told the Press of Atlantic City.
"People need to understand, the choice was not PTI versus five years' state prison," McClain said. "The choice was not PTI versus the No Early Release Act on a 10-year sentence. The parameters as they existed were: Is this a PTI case or a probation case?"
A spokesman for the Atlantic County prosecutor's office declined to release data on the number of aggravated assault in the third degree by causing bodily harm cases that were referred to the pre-trial intervention program. ESPN has filed a public record's request seeking the information. On Tuesday, ESPN sent a public records request to the Atlantic County prosecutor's office, the Atlantic City clerk, and the Atlantic City police department requesting records of all correspondence of anyone in those offices with anyone from the NFL or Baltimore Ravens, including any requests the NFL or Ravens would have made of records in the case, such as the video, from Feb. 15, to present. Under state law, the agencies must respond by Thursday, Sept. 18.
On Aug. 28, 11 days before the TMZ Sports video was published, Goodell wrote a letter to all 32 owners that toughened the league's domestic violence policy to a mandatory six game suspension for a first offense. "I didn't get it right," he said. "Simply put, we have to do better. And we will."
On Tuesday, Goodell acknowledged he did not need to see a videotape of Rice hitting his wife to determine a suitable punishment, repeating again that the two game suspension was a mistake.
"And I will tell you that what we saw on the first videotape was troubling to us in and of itself," he told CBS News. "And that's why we took the action we took. As I've said before, we didn't feel that was sufficient, we didn't get that right. But what we saw [Monday] was extremely clear, it was extremely graphic, and it was sickening."
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11509397/ray-rice-told-nfl-roger-goodell-june-had-hit-wife
..........Nevermind
you talk as if I'm suppose to have sympathy for a guy who spit on a woman and knocked her out then dragged her around..
this isn't mike vick treating dogs badly this is OUR WOMEN being treated badly..an example has to be set that that kind of shit will never be tolerated.
Put it this way if janay was involved with a white man who spit on her and knocked her the fuck out then dragged her out the elevator would you feel the same way?
Goodell is hilarious
So his fiancee is unconscious. Ray Rice gets arrested, but Goodell doesn't care about how she got that way? Even if he lied, naw, there's no reason he would lie.
Meanwhile Josh Gordon gets suspended for the year for a very small level of marijuana that most drug testing agencies would let go?
So his fiancee is unconscious. Ray Rice gets arrested, but Goodell doesn't care about how she got that way? Even if he lied, naw, there's no reason he would lie.
Meanwhile Josh Gordon gets suspended for the year for a very small level of marijuana that most drug testing agencies would let go?
Legacy is a great one
I have yet to come across this type
I have yet to come across this type
Link??
He threw her head in a toilet full of shit
He threw her head in a toilet full of shit
They just played the recording on NFL Live. Dude got mad, because she used to fuck Nelly. I done told y'all about asking about chicks' past.
Damn
You made a specific remark.
I made a reply based on the specific remark.
Please don't confuse the topic.
I certainly didn't ask you or anyone else to feel sympathetic for anyone including Ray Rice.
I have repeated that Ray Rice should be able to redeem himself.
Black woman dates, procreates and married a white dude that spat on her and knock her out is not the best way to get me all emotionally vengeful.
Still, if Mr. YT seeks to redeem himself then I ain't going to deny him the chance. If the black woman takes him back and seeks to live life with him then I ain't going to interfere.
Bruh. YT has taught the world that black men and women are monsters. Many black folks believe that black folks are monsters incapable of rehabilitation. I ain't one.
Lord Jamar confessed to being ill-prepared to deal with the emotional aspects of male-female relationships when he was a younger man. He confessed that he has grown, matured and has become a much more capable man.
We have to stop believing in the boogeyman. Especially the black version.
America and the American media claims to hate terrorism yet they don't show you the inhumane shit that terrorists do.
The media doesn't show you footage of those journalist getting their heads cut off. They don't show you U.S. military casualties.
They know what that does to people emotionally.
Yet, every news outlet has shown a black man knock out a black woman 100 times over.
Newsflash: Ray Rice knocked out his wife. (damn that's fucked up Ray)
Newsflash with video: Ray Rice knocked out his wife. (damn Ray is the worst piece of shit monster to ever walk the earth. Get off the planet.)
I don't necessarily care about Ray Rice. I do care about black people.
Today’s episode is going to be longer than usual because I am going
to comment on the whole sordid Ray Rice affair, offering a perspective
you might not yet have heard.
In case you’re unaware, Ray Rice, now former running back for the
Baltimore Ravens hit his fiancée, now wife, in an elevator in
Atlantic City, knocking her into the railing, where she fell to
the ground, unconscious.
Rice was initially suspended two games by the Commissioner Roger
Goodell, and entered a pre-trial intervention program for first
time offenders, after his now wife refused to testify against him.
When Goodell levied the punishment, he was criticized by many for
being too lenient, and the NFL came out with a revised domestic
violence policy, mandating a minimum six game suspension. Rice
appeared set to serve his two game suspension, put the incident
behind him, and hopefully become a better man.
I had no issue with the policy revision, and thought it was a good
thing—domestic violence is not something that blurs between right
and wrong, it is wrong, plain and simple. It is wrong today, it
was wrong 20 years ago, it was wrong 50 years ago and will always
be wrong. You don’t have to think about it. It doesn’t change
as society does. It is one of those things like murder, theft,
and extortion that is always wrong with no questions.
Then, on Monday, TMZ Sports released a video showing Rice doing
exactly what he confessed to doing, and the media went absolutely
wild. The Ravens released Rice, and he was suspended indefinitely
from the NFL by Commissioner Goodell. The hue and cry of every
single sportswriter with a column and former player with a Twitter
account has since reached an unbearable din, condemning Ray Rice
and what he did, and bleating loudly about how domestic violence
is a bad thing.
And here is where we will start today’s episode, because the
sanctimony, moral bankruptcy, and complete lack of character of
men in the media is beyond the pale.
It is said, and I agree, that a man’s character is measured by
what he does when no one is watching, not what he does when the
world is watching. And if you measure individual members of the
sports media by that barometer, they are truly, truly men of the
lowest character.
There are, in my mind, two reasons why. The first one is this:
members of the media make their living by the use of words, written
and spoken. The description given by Ray Rice of what he did (and
deserves to be punished for) matches the video.
Yet the level of outrage increased DRAMATICALLY after the video
was released, with every member of the media making it a point to
be SEEN being outraged.
What is despicable about that to me is men who make their living
by creating emotion via words were not TRULY outraged by what they
read, that they only really started to express their outrage after
seeing the video that words by Rice clearly described.
But that is only the beginning, and this is the real reason why I
am absolutely, thoroughly disgusted with individual members of the
entire media parading their outrage around for all to see.
Domestic violence is nothing new. It is certainly nothing new in
the NFL. NFL players have been arrested for decades for domestic
violence as bad or worse as the Ray Rice incident, and members
of the media have been mostly silent about it. They most certainly
have not shown the outrage they have shown AFTER THE VIDEO was
released despite having HUNDREDS of opportunities to do so.
Have a look at this:
http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/
It’s a database of all NFL player arrests since 2000, with what
they were arrested for. There are 759 pages of arrests, and
hundreds of them deal with domestic violence to the same degree
or worse as what Ray Rice did to his fiancée. If you read through
even the brief descriptions, you will be shocked.
There are HUNDREDS of opportunities over the last 14 years for
longtime members of the media such as Bob Costas, Chris Berman,
Dan Patrick and every former player acting as broadcaster to be
outraged publicly by, to bring attention to, but you heard NOTHING
from them. A peep here and there, perhaps, but NOTHING like the
outrage they are now making sure they are being seen expressing.
I will tell you why in a little bit, but it gets worse. Much worse.
You see, there are famous players who have repeatedly laid their
hands on women who have been given a pass over and over by the same
members of the media now decrying Ray Rice.
Read this article about Warren Moon and his domestic violence
case (with a note about settling a sexual harassment case with a
Vikings Cheerleader at the same time):
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-07-20/sports/1995201163_1_moon-worrell-felicia
Pay particular attention to this paragraph, and visualize it in
your mind as you read it:
"Felicia Moon said that she had been struck in the head with an open
hand by Mr. Moon and that he had also choked her to the point of
almost passing out. Mrs. Moon said that she was able to break free
from Mr. Moon and that she fled in her car. She said Mr. Moon
followed her, but that she was able to lose him."
Do you need to see a video of an NFL player choking his wife to
be outraged or are the words enough? He hit her, choked her, and
chased her, and yet the media members who are squawking the loudest
today were SILENT except for a few blurbs at the time. This was
1995, not 1895 and there were plenty of media venues for them to
be outraged through, including talk radio.
Yes, Moon was later acquitted, but it was because his wife refused
to testify against him. According to the police, she was clearly
assaulted, yet the media brushed it aside, and it never came up
when Moon was voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame by members
of the media who vote, the same members of the media who are now
scrambling to see who can express the most outrage about Rice.
I remember seeing the story back then, and I was personally done
with Moon afterwards, referring to him as a wife beater every time
after that. I couldn’t stand the sight of the man, and every time
the media heaped praise on him, I was disgusted.
But that pales in comparison to a man the media simply will not
levy anything but mild criticism of, Jim Brown. Brown may have
been the greatest running back in history, but he also has a lifetime
of violence, especially against women. See for yourself, here:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/us/jim-brown-fast-facts/
Brown has, on many occasions, done what Ray Rice did and worse, yet
the media holds him out as the Wise Old Man of Football, and he is
still getting a paycheck from the Cleveland Browns despite a lifetime
of violence towards women.
Where was the outrage by the same members of the media when Brown
was hired again by the Browns in 2013, a known domestic abuser being
employed yet again by a NFL Franchise? There was none. None at all.
Sure, he’s been asked a few times if he “regrets laying his hand on
a woman” but has he ever, ever been called to task like Ray Rice,
despite giving the media a LIFETIME of opportunities to do so?
No. No he has not, and that is what disgusts me about the media,
why I consider the individuals that comprise it to be men of the
lowest character. I want to mention one more thing before I tell
you what I think their real reason for being seen to be outraged
is, and this is an important point.
People may say that, well, back then, there wasn’t Twitter and
Facebook and Social Media and even the internet. Perhaps, but
there was certainly plenty of media to call someone guilty of bad
behavior to task, someone like…Pete Rose.
I’m not a baseball fan, and don’t know much about the game, but
if you say the name “Pete Rose” to me, I say back to you what so
many other people who don’t follow baseball do: “oh, he bet on
baseball and lied about it.”
And when did this happen? Sports Illustrated broke the story in
1989. Yes, 1989, before there was an internet or cell phones or
even much sports talk radio. There were magazines and newspapers
and radio and tv and…many of the same media members there are today.
Yet, despite this “primitive” media, Pete Rose had his reputation
completely ruined, perhaps deservedly so (I don’t follow baseball,
so I can’t comment on that) for betting. Not hitting a woman, not
domestic violence, but betting. This happened SIX years before the
Warren Moon incident, and 11 years BEFORE the database I gave you
the link to earlier.
To this day, people still talk about Pete Rose and betting on baseball,
yet no one, no one, talks about Jim Brown, Warren Moon, and thousands
of other professional athletes hitting women. No outrage, no calls
for investigation, nothing along the lines of the resources that
were expended to investigate Rose.
The point is, there was plenty of media available to express outrage
and call for change in the NFL and other sports. Yet as the years
passed, and the domestic violence issues piled up, each one giving
every single member of the media an opportunity to show their outrage
and address the issue, they were SILENT, until the Ray Rice video
was released.
Why?
Here is the answer, and it cements them as men of low character:
in the past, members of the media could be seen, but not called out
via broadcast media. But today it is different. Today, the common
man or woman with a Facebook or Twitter account or email list can
instantly call out, comment on, or expose any member of the media,
shining the light of broadcast media squarely on them.
So like a bunch of roaches someone has just shined a bright flashlight
on, they are scurrying as fast as they can to be PUBCLICLY seen
expressing outrage, so they cannot be called out for doing what
they have in the past.
And that takes us back to character being defined by what you do
when no one is watching. And when no one was watching, when no one
had the ability to expose them en masse, they did absolutely nothing.
They voted Warren Moon into the Hall of Fame, they positioned Jim
Brown as a wise social commentator and they said absolutely nothing
about every single incident of domestic violence that was reported
in the database I showed you earlier. Nothing. They did nothing
when no one was watching, and showed outrage when the world was.
That is low character.
And so, what will members of the media do who have been covering
the NFL for decades like Costas and Berman? Will they appear on
national television, resign their position and say, “I realize I
have been provided with hundreds of opportunities in the past to
make a stand against domestic violence, and I have failed hundreds
of times. Therefore, due to my personal negligence, I have decided
to resign my position so that a more socially aware journalist can
consistently report on the things I have failed to report on during
my decades covering the men who have committed domestic violence.”
Think that’s going to happen? You and I both know the answer—hell
no. Instead the moralizing will grow louder, the outrage will become
more pronounced, and the media will hold themselves out as the shining
leaders of social change.
And then, when the next pay period rolls around, they will scurry
to the pay window to collect their pay checks as they have for decades
when they ignored the exact same incidents Ray Rice is guilty of. And
then they will look for more opportunities to be seen being outraged,
because men of low character know no bounds in what they will do.
Their sanctimony is beyond the pale, and the only thing you and I
can take out of it is we now squarely know what men of low character
look like and how they act. Just turn on the TV and wait for the
criticism of Warren Moon, Jim Brown, Corey Dillon, and the hundreds
of other players who have done what Rice did and worse. You won’t
hear it. Ever.
to comment on the whole sordid Ray Rice affair, offering a perspective
you might not yet have heard.
In case you’re unaware, Ray Rice, now former running back for the
Baltimore Ravens hit his fiancée, now wife, in an elevator in
Atlantic City, knocking her into the railing, where she fell to
the ground, unconscious.
Rice was initially suspended two games by the Commissioner Roger
Goodell, and entered a pre-trial intervention program for first
time offenders, after his now wife refused to testify against him.
When Goodell levied the punishment, he was criticized by many for
being too lenient, and the NFL came out with a revised domestic
violence policy, mandating a minimum six game suspension. Rice
appeared set to serve his two game suspension, put the incident
behind him, and hopefully become a better man.
I had no issue with the policy revision, and thought it was a good
thing—domestic violence is not something that blurs between right
and wrong, it is wrong, plain and simple. It is wrong today, it
was wrong 20 years ago, it was wrong 50 years ago and will always
be wrong. You don’t have to think about it. It doesn’t change
as society does. It is one of those things like murder, theft,
and extortion that is always wrong with no questions.
Then, on Monday, TMZ Sports released a video showing Rice doing
exactly what he confessed to doing, and the media went absolutely
wild. The Ravens released Rice, and he was suspended indefinitely
from the NFL by Commissioner Goodell. The hue and cry of every
single sportswriter with a column and former player with a Twitter
account has since reached an unbearable din, condemning Ray Rice
and what he did, and bleating loudly about how domestic violence
is a bad thing.
And here is where we will start today’s episode, because the
sanctimony, moral bankruptcy, and complete lack of character of
men in the media is beyond the pale.
It is said, and I agree, that a man’s character is measured by
what he does when no one is watching, not what he does when the
world is watching. And if you measure individual members of the
sports media by that barometer, they are truly, truly men of the
lowest character.
There are, in my mind, two reasons why. The first one is this:
members of the media make their living by the use of words, written
and spoken. The description given by Ray Rice of what he did (and
deserves to be punished for) matches the video.
Yet the level of outrage increased DRAMATICALLY after the video
was released, with every member of the media making it a point to
be SEEN being outraged.
What is despicable about that to me is men who make their living
by creating emotion via words were not TRULY outraged by what they
read, that they only really started to express their outrage after
seeing the video that words by Rice clearly described.
But that is only the beginning, and this is the real reason why I
am absolutely, thoroughly disgusted with individual members of the
entire media parading their outrage around for all to see.
Domestic violence is nothing new. It is certainly nothing new in
the NFL. NFL players have been arrested for decades for domestic
violence as bad or worse as the Ray Rice incident, and members
of the media have been mostly silent about it. They most certainly
have not shown the outrage they have shown AFTER THE VIDEO was
released despite having HUNDREDS of opportunities to do so.
Have a look at this:
http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/
It’s a database of all NFL player arrests since 2000, with what
they were arrested for. There are 759 pages of arrests, and
hundreds of them deal with domestic violence to the same degree
or worse as what Ray Rice did to his fiancée. If you read through
even the brief descriptions, you will be shocked.
There are HUNDREDS of opportunities over the last 14 years for
longtime members of the media such as Bob Costas, Chris Berman,
Dan Patrick and every former player acting as broadcaster to be
outraged publicly by, to bring attention to, but you heard NOTHING
from them. A peep here and there, perhaps, but NOTHING like the
outrage they are now making sure they are being seen expressing.
I will tell you why in a little bit, but it gets worse. Much worse.
You see, there are famous players who have repeatedly laid their
hands on women who have been given a pass over and over by the same
members of the media now decrying Ray Rice.
Read this article about Warren Moon and his domestic violence
case (with a note about settling a sexual harassment case with a
Vikings Cheerleader at the same time):
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-07-20/sports/1995201163_1_moon-worrell-felicia
Pay particular attention to this paragraph, and visualize it in
your mind as you read it:
"Felicia Moon said that she had been struck in the head with an open
hand by Mr. Moon and that he had also choked her to the point of
almost passing out. Mrs. Moon said that she was able to break free
from Mr. Moon and that she fled in her car. She said Mr. Moon
followed her, but that she was able to lose him."
Do you need to see a video of an NFL player choking his wife to
be outraged or are the words enough? He hit her, choked her, and
chased her, and yet the media members who are squawking the loudest
today were SILENT except for a few blurbs at the time. This was
1995, not 1895 and there were plenty of media venues for them to
be outraged through, including talk radio.
Yes, Moon was later acquitted, but it was because his wife refused
to testify against him. According to the police, she was clearly
assaulted, yet the media brushed it aside, and it never came up
when Moon was voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame by members
of the media who vote, the same members of the media who are now
scrambling to see who can express the most outrage about Rice.
I remember seeing the story back then, and I was personally done
with Moon afterwards, referring to him as a wife beater every time
after that. I couldn’t stand the sight of the man, and every time
the media heaped praise on him, I was disgusted.
But that pales in comparison to a man the media simply will not
levy anything but mild criticism of, Jim Brown. Brown may have
been the greatest running back in history, but he also has a lifetime
of violence, especially against women. See for yourself, here:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/us/jim-brown-fast-facts/
Brown has, on many occasions, done what Ray Rice did and worse, yet
the media holds him out as the Wise Old Man of Football, and he is
still getting a paycheck from the Cleveland Browns despite a lifetime
of violence towards women.
Where was the outrage by the same members of the media when Brown
was hired again by the Browns in 2013, a known domestic abuser being
employed yet again by a NFL Franchise? There was none. None at all.
Sure, he’s been asked a few times if he “regrets laying his hand on
a woman” but has he ever, ever been called to task like Ray Rice,
despite giving the media a LIFETIME of opportunities to do so?
No. No he has not, and that is what disgusts me about the media,
why I consider the individuals that comprise it to be men of the
lowest character. I want to mention one more thing before I tell
you what I think their real reason for being seen to be outraged
is, and this is an important point.
People may say that, well, back then, there wasn’t Twitter and
Facebook and Social Media and even the internet. Perhaps, but
there was certainly plenty of media to call someone guilty of bad
behavior to task, someone like…Pete Rose.
I’m not a baseball fan, and don’t know much about the game, but
if you say the name “Pete Rose” to me, I say back to you what so
many other people who don’t follow baseball do: “oh, he bet on
baseball and lied about it.”
And when did this happen? Sports Illustrated broke the story in
1989. Yes, 1989, before there was an internet or cell phones or
even much sports talk radio. There were magazines and newspapers
and radio and tv and…many of the same media members there are today.
Yet, despite this “primitive” media, Pete Rose had his reputation
completely ruined, perhaps deservedly so (I don’t follow baseball,
so I can’t comment on that) for betting. Not hitting a woman, not
domestic violence, but betting. This happened SIX years before the
Warren Moon incident, and 11 years BEFORE the database I gave you
the link to earlier.
To this day, people still talk about Pete Rose and betting on baseball,
yet no one, no one, talks about Jim Brown, Warren Moon, and thousands
of other professional athletes hitting women. No outrage, no calls
for investigation, nothing along the lines of the resources that
were expended to investigate Rose.
The point is, there was plenty of media available to express outrage
and call for change in the NFL and other sports. Yet as the years
passed, and the domestic violence issues piled up, each one giving
every single member of the media an opportunity to show their outrage
and address the issue, they were SILENT, until the Ray Rice video
was released.
Why?
Here is the answer, and it cements them as men of low character:
in the past, members of the media could be seen, but not called out
via broadcast media. But today it is different. Today, the common
man or woman with a Facebook or Twitter account or email list can
instantly call out, comment on, or expose any member of the media,
shining the light of broadcast media squarely on them.
So like a bunch of roaches someone has just shined a bright flashlight
on, they are scurrying as fast as they can to be PUBCLICLY seen
expressing outrage, so they cannot be called out for doing what
they have in the past.
And that takes us back to character being defined by what you do
when no one is watching. And when no one was watching, when no one
had the ability to expose them en masse, they did absolutely nothing.
They voted Warren Moon into the Hall of Fame, they positioned Jim
Brown as a wise social commentator and they said absolutely nothing
about every single incident of domestic violence that was reported
in the database I showed you earlier. Nothing. They did nothing
when no one was watching, and showed outrage when the world was.
That is low character.
And so, what will members of the media do who have been covering
the NFL for decades like Costas and Berman? Will they appear on
national television, resign their position and say, “I realize I
have been provided with hundreds of opportunities in the past to
make a stand against domestic violence, and I have failed hundreds
of times. Therefore, due to my personal negligence, I have decided
to resign my position so that a more socially aware journalist can
consistently report on the things I have failed to report on during
my decades covering the men who have committed domestic violence.”
Think that’s going to happen? You and I both know the answer—hell
no. Instead the moralizing will grow louder, the outrage will become
more pronounced, and the media will hold themselves out as the shining
leaders of social change.
And then, when the next pay period rolls around, they will scurry
to the pay window to collect their pay checks as they have for decades
when they ignored the exact same incidents Ray Rice is guilty of. And
then they will look for more opportunities to be seen being outraged,
because men of low character know no bounds in what they will do.
Their sanctimony is beyond the pale, and the only thing you and I
can take out of it is we now squarely know what men of low character
look like and how they act. Just turn on the TV and wait for the
criticism of Warren Moon, Jim Brown, Corey Dillon, and the hundreds
of other players who have done what Rice did and worse. You won’t
hear it. Ever.
As many times BGOL have provoked you into flipping the fuck out that you ought to be totally embarrassed by, you don't think woman can do the same to men?
Guess the wife hasn't been faced with enough memories of this.
Rice told the police, Goodell, the judge and the Ravens that he hit her, punched, beat her whatever you want to call it. Multiple people have said he did NOT lie about what occurred.
Fucked up shit. We all agree. Bitch made shit, most agree.
The judge gave him a sentence, the league gave him a sentence, but now Goodell can come back and indefinitely suspend him (to cover his own ass), and the team can cancel his ENTIRE contract retroactively.
So business contracts, and the legal system don't mean shit id you are a player in the NFL?
And because he did some foul shit, his Union, and other players and even some men are like welp eat the cake bruh....? Even by the leagues standards he is a first offender, but his ass jumped all the way to second offense somehow.
I know Rice wants to move on, but I really hope sues the league, this cover up shit and throw a man overboard shit is not cool IMO.
Guess the wife hasn't been faced with enough memories of this.
Rice told the police, Goodell, the judge and the Ravens that he hit her, punched, beat her whatever you want to call it. Multiple people have said he did NOT lie about what occurred.
Fucked up shit. We all agree. Bitch made shit, most agree.
The judge gave him a sentence, the league gave him a sentence, but now Goodell can come back and indefinitely suspend him (to cover his own ass), and the team can cancel his ENTIRE contract retroactively.
So business contracts, and the legal system don't mean shit id you are a player in the NFL?
And because he did some foul shit, his Union, and other players and even some men are like welp eat the cake bruh....? Even by the leagues standards he is a first offender, but his ass jumped all the way to second offense somehow.
I know Rice wants to move on, but I really hope sues the league, this cover up shit and throw a man overboard shit is not cool IMO.
I feel you.
His NFL checks feeds and houses the family which includes his wife and daughter.
The league can force him into probationary status including a mandatory counseling program, a curfew, no alcohol or drugs, a mentor and whatever else they could think of instead of taking his checks and livelihood.
Ray Rice should have been given the Dez Bryant treatment times 2.
Fuck the indefinite suspension. Let him work on getting right. Janay and Rayven shouldn't be force to live on a tight ass budget not knowing how they are going to be living in 2015, 16 or 17.
True be told, the media has turned Janay into damaged goods. They didn't protect that woman.
dude I get what youre saying but lets stop acting like this is some kind of lynching...rice brought whatever happens on himself..but the reality is other some time away from the game he'll be back...they all come back
Mike Vick came back after JAIL TIME
Chris Brown came back after busting Rihanna up (she forgave him too)
R Kelly never went away after video of him pissing on a girl..
I highly doubt ray rice or his family will be indigent after this.
Nope. The reports stated that she'd already hit him on the casino floor a few times and the video shows her hitting him in the lobby before they entered the elevator. There's extended footage of what happened before they stepped into the elevator. Still, my point was about Stephen A smith, not Ray's wife. The point being that Stephen A Smith could use this tape as an example of his original point about why women should not themselves engage in this type of conduct with a man because they're much more than likely to get the short-end of the deal. That's not him defending abuse or blaming the victim; that's him saying "don't drink and drive," "don't wear all red in a Crip neighborhood," or "don't punch a drunk abusive nigga in the face, scratch, spit on him and then step into an elevator with him."
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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11551518/how-ray-rice-scandal-unfolded-baltimore-ravens-roger-goodell-nfl
Its a Colin worthy article so here are some of the highlights
Man, this is even deeper than I thought...can't wait for the results of the Mueller investigation.
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