R.I.P. Bailout Bill

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/11/auto.bailout/

CNN) -- Senate Democrats and the White House failed to find 60 votes to end debate on a $14 billion auto bailout bill and bring it to a vote Thursday night, killing the measure for the year.

The 52-35 vote followed the collapse of negotiations between Senate Democrats and Republicans seeking a compromise.

"We have worked and worked and we can spend all night tonight, tomorrow, Saturday, and Sunday, and we're not going to get to the finish line," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said on the Senate floor before the vote. "That's just the way it is. There's too much difference between the two sides."

Reid acknowledged the bill would not survive the procedural vote.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said the sticking point was the United Auto Workers' refusal to set a "date certain" to put employees at U.S. auto manufacturers at "parity pay" with U.S. employees at foreign automakers in the United States.

Currently, analysts estimate the union workers at U.S. automakers make about $3 to $4 per hour more than the non-union U.S. employees of foreign automakers like Toyota and Honda, according to the Center for Automotive Research.

The House easily passed the bailout bill earlier this week, but it quickly ran into trouble in the Senate, where Republicans objected to several provisions. Negotiations Thursday involved a compromise proposal put forward by Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, but the senators could not reach agreement.

The struggling automakers may get some money anyway.

As part of their effort to urge skeptical Republicans to back the deal, Bush officials made clear that if Congress didn't act, the White House would have to step in to save Detroit from collapse with funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, according to the sources familiar with the conversations.

One of the sources said that a White House official made it clear to a GOP senator that would be the worst option, because the loan could go to the auto companies with few or no requirements along with it.

The sources asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of private conversations.

Democrats pressed the White House from the start to help Detroit by using some of the $700 billion for the financial sector, but the White House and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson refused.

"I would only hope that the president, who has worked so well with us for the past several weeks, would now consider using the TARP money," Reid said after Thursday night's vote.

CNN's Dana Bash and Ted Barrett contributed to this report
 
The repugs was the blame for this. they wanted to deeply cut the UAW pay and benefits but not touch the CEO's pay
 
it will eventually get passed.
no
the bill is dead until the new congress comes in january

the fuckin milktoast dems better bludgeon every republican asshole who says a word about the economy with this bullshit

the repubs tried to tie the shit to something they knew the UAW would never agree to on the timeline theyre talking about - parity with foreign auto manufacturer american worker salaries
all those foreign factories are in right to work states with no fuckin unions aka shitty wages

they should kill all the republicans in dc proper tonight
 
what's bullshit is they gave aig and those other companies 700 billion and them muh fuckas been taking trips and handing out 4 million dollar bonuses to the CEOs but they can't give the auto industry 14 punk ass billion?

politics is a fucked up game mane. :smh:
 
no
the bill is dead until the new congress comes in january

the fuckin milktoast dems better bludgeon every republican asshole who says a word about the economy with this bullshit

the repubs tried to tie the shit to something they knew the UAW would never agree to on the timeline theyre talking about - parity with foreign auto manufacturer american worker salaries
all those foreign factories are in right to work states with no fuckin unions aka shitty wages

they should kill all the republicans in dc proper tonight

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Originally posted by CoTtOnMoUf
what's bullshit is they gave aig and those other companies 700 billion and them muh fuckas been taking trips and handing out 4 million dollar bonuses to the CEOs but they can't give the auto industry 14 punk ass billion?

politics is a fucked up game mane.:smh:
100% agree! They gave the banks their money a while ago and they haven't done nothing but sit on it! And AIG came out of nowhere and got theirs off top, without having to form a "bailout plan". Shit's foul.....
 
no
the bill is dead until the new congress comes in january

the fuckin milktoast dems better bludgeon every republican asshole who says a word about the economy with this bullshit

the repubs tried to tie the shit to something they knew the UAW would never agree to on the timeline theyre talking about - parity with foreign auto manufacturer american worker salaries
all those foreign factories are in right to work states with no fuckin unions aka shitty wages


they should kill all the republicans in dc proper tonight

It is better to have "Shitty" wages than to have no fuckin' JOB!

If the MARKETPLACE cannot support the UAW's wage scale then all they are doing is helping to Big-3 go out of business very slowly, this is 2000-fuckin-8, this ain't 1958 with folks getting their arms ripped off in dangerous dark, dim ass plants with no OSHA Inspector around.

The UAW needs to wake the fuck up!
 
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It is better to have "Shitty" wages than to have no fuckin' JOB!

If the MARKETPLACE cannot support the UAW's wage scale then all they are doing is helping to Big-3 go out of business very slowly, this is 2000-fuckin-8, this ain't 1958 with folks getting their arms ripped off in dangerous dark, dim ass plants with no OSHA Inspector around.

The UAW needs to wake the fuck up!

gtfoh
ive seen assholes who took $1000 bonuses in auto plants to reject unionization in the 90s in the south get laid off in the past month with nothing to show for it at all
I can point you to people who were smashed, dismembered, broken backs etc in 2007-2008 with no osha inspector around until after the fact
You dont know shit about manufacturing because injuries and fatalities go with the territory.
You need to shut the fuck up. If unions werent killed by repubs and american politicians put value in American manufacturing by allowing it to be all it could be - green, efficient, high quality - the nation wouldnt be bleeding jobs to asia and the economy wouldnt be in the shitter.

The UAW is not stupid or unreasonable. But trying to get a union to adopt wages set solely by businesses in mostly rural backward states is a bullshit ploy. You think people can live off that shit in cities? GTFOH
 
what's bullshit is they gave aig and those other companies 700 billion and them muh fuckas been taking trips and handing out 4 million dollar bonuses to the CEOs but they can't give the auto industry 14 punk ass billion?

politics is a fucked up game mane. :smh:

CO-SIGN THEY GAVE THEM THAT MONEY NO QUESTIONS ASKED.:angry::angry:
 
It is better to have "Shitty" wages than to have no fuckin' JOB!

If the MARKETPLACE cannot support the UAW's wage scale then all they are doing is helping to Big-3 go out of business very slowly, this is 2000-fuckin-8, this ain't 1958 with folks getting their arms ripped off in dangerous dark, dim ass plants with no OSHA Inspector around.

The UAW needs to wake the fuck up!

SHUT YO SIDELINE WATCHING ASS UP. DO YOU UNDERSTAND HELL YOUR A FAN OF ATLANTA SPORTS TEAMS WHAT FUCKING SENSE DO YOU HAVE? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE WORK FOR THE BIG 3.
 
GOOD! Fuck the bailout. It will force both sides to GET FUCKING REAL

Management--don't fucking come crying to government for fucked up decisions. Learn to build shit people WILL BUY. Learn to fucking run a REAL business, mother fuckers.

Union--grow the fuck up, bitch ass punks. Reset your wages so shit made in the US is competitive. Quit whining like punked whores.

Stock will tank, GM will declare bankruptcy, everyone sobers the fuck up, Company gets turned around, company becomes competitve again

To the bitches crying about this fucking up the economy--the economy IS ALREADY FUCKED UP--it is running on borrowed money from Chinese and Arabs. This WAKE UP call should get America shook about living on debt and start producing real shit and SAVING again.

Sacrifice, motherfuckers, that's the word for the next 5 years. About time. If America makes the right sacrifice and gets it ass together--it will be on course for new heights after the Depression is over.

Gold at $2000 an ounce FTW


SHUT YO DARK ASS UP. DOES YOUR MONKEY UNDERSTAND HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE WORK FOR THE BIG THREE WHITE OR BLUE COLLAR?
 
GOOD! Fuck the bailout. It will force both sides to GET FUCKING REAL

Management--don't fucking come crying to government for fucked up decisions. Learn to build shit people WILL BUY. Learn to fucking run a REAL business, mother fuckers.

Union--grow the fuck up, bitch ass punks. Reset your wages so shit made in the US is competitive. Quit whining like punked whores.

Stock will tank, GM will declare bankruptcy, everyone sobers the fuck up, Company gets turned around, company becomes competitve again

To the bitches crying about this fucking up the economy--the economy IS ALREADY FUCKED UP--it is running on borrowed money from Chinese and Arabs. This WAKE UP call should get America shook about living on debt and start producing real shit and SAVING again.

Sacrifice, motherfuckers, that's the word for the next 5 years. About time. If America makes the right sacrifice and gets it ass together--it will be on course for new heights after the Depression is over.

Gold at $2000 an ounce FTW
where are unions whining? gtfoh
if those jobs are lost they wont come back unless there's a world war
hundreds of thousands of middle class families thrust into poverty is cool with you? The unions didnt break shit- mgmt did. The UAW didnt design the cars, fuck up the marketing, get in bed with big oil or lube gw's pockets.
What happens to all the pensioners when the big 3 go under?
There are alot of other angles you arent considering. Like what happens to the rest of the market if those 3 die/go bk. People arent worried about bankruptcy so much as the effect on the world markets if they go belly up. If one goes under the dow will be at 6000 or less in a day or two.
 
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U Dumb Bastard Its' Not Just The Big Three Shit Head. Its Affects Everyone. The Middle Class Came About Because Of Henry Ford. Many Of U Niggas Scream Like A Female In Labor About Losing Your Job, Etc Etc. All This Is Connected. Niggas Never See The Bigga Nigga Picture. Black People Understand Every Major Industry Is Connected Fuck What The Small Arm Chair Qb Thinks.
 
SHUT YO DARK ASS UP. DOES YOUR MONKEY UNDERSTAND HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE WORK FOR THE BIG THREE WHITE OR BLUE COLLAR?

Let's assume, for argument's sake, that the bailout went through and Detroit got $15B--do you really think that will incentivize the people that messed up to change things? If anything, it will CEMENT old ineffective bullshit cuz they are GUARANTEED MORE MONEY if they fuck up since the govt won't let them fail.

Do you see that leading to something good? Basically, people who want the bailout just want to preserve the status quo.

The US Government's money is NOT unlimited because the more bailouts and cash they hand out the more people from the rest of the world will see that the US Economy is built on a giant FIAT CURRENCY SCAM.

There will be a backlash--either in the form of inflation, more bailouts resulting in hyperinflation, either way--dollar will be shit, economic growth will be shit, and it will be Jimmy Carter 70s all over the fuck again......

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Fuck a bailout--didn't work for AIG (motherfuckers are still doing BILLIONS in credit default swaps), didn't work for banks--most of the bailout money's been pissed through

We'll just have to wait in 2009 to see those fuckers declare bankruptcy or ask for more money to see that BAILOUTS don't fucking work.
 
If you think I'm being extra hard and callous about people losing their jobs, believe me you're barking up the wrong tree. I just don't think bailouts are the way to deal with business cycles--moral hazard is created and key changes on both ends aren't addressed.

The government cannot keep printing money like crazy to fund these bailouts because eventually, treasury bills will get redeemed by the Chinese and Arabs because of the inflation caused by this bailout mania. End result--even more inflation and decades to get out of this Depression.

Both Republicans and Democrats suffer from the same delusion here--they think business cycles can be "managed". Well, Greenspan "managed" the 9/11 and Dot Bust recession by creating a bigger mess--the one we're fucking with now.

Now if we try to "manage" this consequence even more, who knows how big the BUST will be several years from now?

Old Skool is the key--the values of our black grandparents: SAVE, Cut down and eliminate debt, invest in your education, work hard, and have FAITH.

Yall can hate on me for my Old Skool economic views but fuck...the US shouldn't have fucking left the Gold Standard. SMH
 
My Point Was They Gave The Banks The Damn Money No Questions Ask. No One Made The Banks Go Through Any Bullshit Hoops. That Shit Don't Make Any Sense. If It Worked Or Not Is Not The Fucking Point. Niggas Can't See Shit.
 
REALITY CHECK: T Bills are Trading in NEGATIVE YIELD now... How long will Chinese and Arabs hang on to this shit when its negative? Would you hang on to shit that pays zero % interest while inflation is higher than zero %? How long can you last?

Shit's blowing up soon and bailout will just make sure we get to that faster.
 
If you think I'm being extra hard and callous about people losing their jobs, believe me you're barking up the wrong tree. I just don't think bailouts are the way to deal with business cycles--moral hazard is created and key changes on both ends aren't addressed.

The government cannot keep printing money like crazy to fund these bailouts because eventually, treasury bills will get redeemed by the Chinese and Arabs because of the inflation caused by this bailout mania. End result--even more inflation and decades to get out of this Depression.

Both Republicans and Democrats suffer from the same delusion here--they think business cycles can be "managed". Well, Greenspan "managed" the 9/11 and Dot Bust recession by creating a bigger mess--the one we're fucking with now.

Now if we try to "manage" this consequence even more, who knows how big the BUST will be several years from now?

Old Skool is the key--the values of our black grandparents: SAVE, Cut down and eliminate debt, invest in your education, work hard, and have FAITH.

Yall can hate on me for my Old Skool economic views but fuck...the US shouldn't have fucking left the Gold Standard. SMH

I agree on the gold standard and tbills. Inflation hasnt even hit yet. When that happens GW will have more SS on him than Obama. Personally I think GM and Ford should be nationalized and chrysler should be allowed to die.

You had 28 years of people pushing the nation in one direction and now Obama has to try the opposite. Its not gonna be pretty.
 
My Point Was They Gave The Banks The Damn Money No Questions Ask. No One Made The Banks Go Through Any Bullshit Hoops. That Shit Don't Make Any Sense. If It Worked Or Not Is Not The Fucking Point. Niggas Can't See Shit.

Bruh, that supports my shit even more. Bank bailouts FAILED. According to Bloomberg, most of that money is gone and while LIBOR rates eased up, shits still going downhill. It didn't stabilize shit. Citibank got bailed out TWICE. :smh::smh:

Now they want to do the same shit with automakers. Those fuckers will keep coming back again and again cuz the money's just being used to keep the status quo from going instead of reforming shit.

If there were no INFLATIONARY and MORAL HAZARD ISSUES, I'd be 1000% with bailouts. But this is reality and these 2 issues have fatal consequences for the economy.
 
Bruh, that supports my shit even more. Bank bailouts FAILED. According to Bloomberg, most of that money is gone and while LIBOR rates eased up, shits still going downhill. It didn't stabilize shit. Citibank got bailed out TWICE. :smh::smh:

Now they want to do the same shit with automakers. Those fuckers will keep coming back again and again cuz the money's just being used to keep the status quo from going instead of reforming shit.

If there were no INFLATIONARY and MORAL HAZARD ISSUES, I'd be 1000% with bailouts. But this is reality and these 2 issues have fatal consequences for the economy.
most of that money aint gone for most besides aig - some banks havent even touched that shit
its fingers in the dyke economics now bruh
if you dont look like youre trying the shit will crash quick fast and then its really horrible
 
NO it won't

I know you have me on ignore but if you don't will you answer the question once and for all: Do you want to see thousands of auto related workers lose their jobs? and if so why? or is it your animosity towards American cars that cloud your vision.
 
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