quick question: MICHAEL JORDAN

[cranrab]

i've seen a couple threads here and on BGOL that seem to suggest that coaches aren't shit, and have little to do with the performance of a player.

with that in mind, let me ask:

"would michael jordan have been as successful (and talented) a player had he NOT attended NC and learned under coach smith's program?"

i will respond first.

HELL NO.

 

[Complex]

What about Jerry Stackhouse or Vince Carter?

 

[cranrab]

or sam perkins? or james worthy?

so what's your answer?

 

[xfactor]

i've seen a couple threads here and on BGOL that seem to suggest that coaches aren't shit, and have little to do with the performance of a player.

with that in mind, let me ask:

"would michael jordan have been as successful (and talented) a player had he NOT attended NC and learned under coach smith's program?"

i will respond first.

HELL NO.

I don't understand how anyone doesn't think that a coach could have a MAJOR influence on how a player develops not only as a basketball player but as a person as well.

This is why I'm not a fan of prep to pro players and don't think they will enjoy TEAM success (the individual success is apparent) because a lot of them still have their old highschool habits (when half of high school coaches don't know what the fuck they are doing) and were never taught a better way to play under a seasoned and knowledgeable college coach. College would have made players like McGrady, Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, and especially Wobe better (and more importantly smarter) than they are now.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Of course not. Jordan learned much about how to co-exist
on a talented team at NC under Smith.....

Alot of these straight-from-high school players haven't a
CLUE on how to be teammates. Because they where the
prominent player on their high school team and never had
to experience sharing the spotlight of the star athlete

All you have to do is witness players from a school like
Arizona and then contrast them with players from a school
like Syracuse or Cincinnati. One side produces Prima-donnas
while the other side produces team players (for the most
part....there are exceptions)

 

[Sango]

No he wouldn't have. I believe in fate. The lessons that are learned along the way with the right blend of coaching experience are priceless. In my opinion it can make or break great talent. What if Jordan was never cut from his High School Team? But I think MJ had it instilled in him to be the best, yet the experiences he gained b/c he was so far advanced athletically and mentally proved to be the difference. Agreeing with RS there's a lack of Unity in the NBA teams, everyone's out to play for self and it shows.

 

[Complex]

No he wouldn't have. I believe in fate. The lessons that are learned along the way with the right blend of coaching experience are priceless. In my opinion it can make or break great talent. What if Jordan was never cut from his High School Team? But I think MJ had it instilled in him to be the best, yet the experiences he gained b/c he was so far advanced athletically and mentally proved to be the difference. Agreeing with RS there's a lack of Unity in the NBA teams, everyone's out to play for self and it shows.

Exactly, certain players I believe it's their destiny. A lot of what they have is already inbred in them before they get to college. For example work ethic and desire.

Look at Larry Bird, he left Bobby Knight and went to Indiana State.

I mentioned Jerry Stackhouse and Vince Carter, because for the most part they have underachieved based on expectations. Until recently Coach K didn't have any good NBA players, but had better teams when he wasn't producing NBA players. Despite a lot of them being highly ranked in high school. Is he a better coach now?

 

[Complex]

Of course not. Jordan learned much about how to co-exist
on a talented team at NC under Smith.....

Alot of these straight-from-high school players haven't a
CLUE on how to be teammates. Because they where the
prominent player on their high school team and never had
to experience sharing the spotlight of the star athlete

All you have to do is witness players from a school like
Arizona and then contrast them with players from a school
like Syracuse or Cincinnati. One side produces Prima-donnas
while the other side produces team players (for the most
part....there are exceptions)

The same can be said about a lot of college players.

 

[businessman]

Of course not. Jordan learned much about how to co-exist
on a talented team at NC under Smith.....

Alot of these straight-from-high school players haven't a
CLUE on how to be teammates. Because they where the
prominent player on their high school team and never had
to experience sharing the spotlight of the star athlete

All you have to do is witness players from a school like
Arizona and then contrast them with players from a school
like Syracuse or Cincinnati. One side produces Prima-donnas
while the other side produces team players (for the most
part....there are exceptions)

excellent point