damn THAT is why you get to rock the khakis and Timbs bro!
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damn THAT is why you get to rock the khakis and Timbs bro!
My take is that for this young man to show up in a hoodie either 1) he doesn't have a clue of how to show up in most professional situations or 2) he researched your company well enough to know that formal wear wasn't required. Perhaps he has a friend at the office who told him "don't worry about it, we wear whatever the hell we want for work".
However, based on everything else you've mentioned, the real problem was that this guy was a bad fit for the position. Not only could he not describe a time where he had improved a process at work, he didn't even think it was important enough to prepare a good line of bullshit for you. That's pretty alarming since the job requires independent thought.
He'll be fine. There is no shortage of companies looking for cogs.
seriously that is TRUTH.
And also you KNOW when you encountered an ULTRA racist when you dressed immaculately and some white demon disrespects you.
Cause I can honestly say I have evaded some dire situations cause I was dressed up that day and the cop let me go etc.
you ever been COMPLETELY fooled though on an interview?
Years later and I STILL remember any person I hired who ended up being a complete f*ck up
I took that sh*t so PERSONALLY even though I know it wasn't REALLY my fault
I felt like I vouched for them.
Fam, the bold part is wild tricky. My program director is a Black woman and we don’t get along at all. It’s unfortunate, but she know I don’t like her. I even told her I didn’t.
She knows she can’t control me like she does her other employees. But I don’t give her a chance to throw under the bus either. She can’t stand me and I can’t stand her.
I love it when she tries to threaten me with my job like I give a fuck. I told that chick I’m a fuckin scientist with a PhD. The math program needs me more than I need them. Crickets after that.
Funny thing is, there was a whiteboard in the conference room where they interviewed me. When they asked me that, I stood at the Whiteboard and wrote down what I did and how I did it. The two interviewers wrote some notes down and made a couple of comments, and then they left. 10 minutes later, the CEO walks in. He looks at me and says, "I guess you're the guy, because I don't talk to applicants. Welcome aboard!" Then he shook my hand and left. He is easily the coolest CEO I've ever worked for in my life!
Again, I got so many stories of this very example you mentioned. These crackas know damn well which black folk they can and can’t fuck with on a professional level.
^^^
I think maybe the only thing they may hate more is a black police officer, fireman, or solider.
they don't know WHAT to do.
Even doctor and professor...something they just can;t DISMISS off hand.
and that's when the REAL comes out
in THOSE situations
cause they fecal matter they used to build this EXCUSE to be politely racist crumples all over them.
I'll never forget what my boss said to me during my second year review. He said, "You created a world we didn't have when you got here, and now we can't do without that world." I got a 20% raise that year. Everybody in the company, including our Asian and European sales team knows, if you need something done, I'm the guy you go to. The new guy I hired is going to have to be that guy, and I explained that to him. I'm the point guard at my job, and he's going to have to be that now.
I think it depends on the situation though.
for instance, if I was applying for a job as a machinist there is no way that I would wear a tailored suit. At best I would wear an Old Glory button down, a well pressed pair of jeans, and some $20 wing tips. Same goes for any retail or construction job (although at the construction job interview I'd switch out the wing tips for steel-toed boots).
Dressing up for an interview is a great idea, but IMO you never want to wear something that you couldn't wear on the job. Especially if it's a safety hazard.
That's why when I talk to a bar manager for a DJ slot I always wear my freshest casual Street Wear. Expensive ass jeans, shoes and t-shirts that I only wear on stage.
the only time I ever wore a suit and actually got the job was when I applied to be an AV technician at a fancy downtown hotel. mind you, that place not only required formal wear, they even had a shower in the employee locker room.
The thing is, once I learn my job, I start learning yours. Not because I want to take your job, but because I want to be a last line of defense. If something is off, I want to be able to identify it. And top of that, we use an ERP. You need to have your shit together to use that, and dude said that he has experience with a WMS, which is similar, but he couldn't answer questions about either system.
So then not only did you tell them you could work independently, you showed them!
I haven't worked in an office for nearly 20 so maybe writing down points on a whiteboard during an interview is a normal thing, but this is the first time I've ever heard of anybody doing it.
Then again, when you're a musician there are few deaths more slow in painful than collecting a check for being a cog. I'm glad that you found something that allows you to create. Even if it's a new system rather than a new work of art
They didn't ask me to. I did it on my own, because I wanted them to understand what I was saying. And now, the last four people we hired, had to write stuff down on the Whiteboard. I don't know if I started that, but my ego would like to think that I did.
They didn't ask me to. I did it on my own, because I wanted them to understand what I was saying. And now, the last four people we hired, had to write stuff down on the Whiteboard. I don't know if I started that, but my ego would like to think that I did.
SEE THAT THERE?
THAT is what is RARE
bring INQUISITIVE and PROACTIVE
wanting to MASTER something not just the one end
but the nuts and bolts and appendix
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Shit wouldnt fly in our office. Show up in a hoodie and some sneakers and you probably don't even get 5 minutes.
@4 Dimensional @woodchuck
Ok I left the group chat with a under 25, a manager someone in HR and a one white self employed woman
You did it right
they telling me about Zoom interviews and ALL the applicants male and female black and white
were dressed well...
one even left to go in their car so they call speak with no mask.
it just showed they cared
not saying hoodie DID NOT but unless it was a christian Dior hoodie with matching slacks?
nope
Ok I left the group chat with a under 25, a manager someone in HR and a one white self employed woman
You did it right
they telling me about Zoom interviews and ALL the applicants male and female black and white
were dressed well...
one even left to go in their car so they call speak with no mask.
it just showed they cared
not saying hoodie DID NOT but unless it was a christian Dior hoodie with matching slacks?
nope
I love when someone give me the real i do this in my interviews basically im trying to sway the applicant from taking the job in a sense i leave no stone unturned so when they the job they can never say they werent told about something.
Bro, ANYBODY who shows up to an interview looking unprofessional and knew at least a day in advance about the interview gets their application automatically disqualified! Years ago I was interviewing people for my section and this white dude shows up looking like he just came from the beach. I looked at him and asked if there was anything going on today that I needed to know about before we start the interview.
He said naw, I'm good. I proceeded to desecrate his ass where he sat. I threw his application away. Motherfucker don't show up to my establishment and expect for you to think you my fucking equal, you ain't!
Interview = dress shirt, tie, slacks and dress shoes. Blazer or sweater can be optional but highly recommended.
Some places may look at you crazy if you are over dressed.
However, a hoody? Fuck that nigga. He would steal anything ain't bolted down.
That's the type of nigga that would take the snacks in the kitchen home and shit.
Some places may look at you crazy if you are over dressed.
However, a hoody? Fuck that nigga. He would steal anything ain't bolted down.
That's the type of nigga that would take the snacks in the kitchen home and shit.
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I definitely wouldn't have hired him especially after he struggled in the interview. I have worked in "white shoe" offices and also ones where you had partners/directors in casual all the time. Part of being in the "corporate" world is knowing how to present/sell yourself. I mentor and you would be surprised how many don't know how to tie a tie or understand that the 4 button Steve Harvey suit you bought for Easter isn't appropriate for a white collar job interview.
This is why I do that.
I was a mentor for 5 years. I tied a lot of ties during that time! When I got hired, I wore golf shirts and slacks for three weeks before I learned the lay of the land. Now, I wear Air Max and Air Jordans, US Army and Keapa hoodies, and jeans.I definitely wouldn't have hired him especially after he struggled in the interview. I have worked in "white shoe" offices and also ones where you had partners/directors in casual all the time. Part of being in the "corporate" world is knowing how to present/sell yourself. I mentor and you would be surprised how many don't know how to tie a tie or understand that the 4 button Steve Harvey suit you bought for Easter isn't appropriate for a white collar job interview.
I use this with my kids I mentor once they were a suit man this boys want to wear one all the time.
Im glad you let him know whats expected he may find it a burden at first but will be rewarded in the future wish I had a brotha take me under his wing as I was coming up
Exactly. If you have a casual office, it is just as bad to be over dressed as it is to go casual in a more formal office. Pre-covid, I would take some of the older kids I mentor out for a "nice" dinner or lunch so they could be used to that as well. People can't relax and be themselves if they are experiencing something for the first time...
I had a brother take me under his wings at that job. On my first day, he said to me: "I'm going to let you know right now, I like to do things at the last minute." I looked at him and said, "That's not gonna work for me." Fast forward three years later, he's no longer with the company, and I was promoted to his old job 2 months ago, doubling my salary and giving me my own office.
FACTS!!!
The right brotha can be an asset to the next coming thru I hate the mentality some have that wants ro be the only successful brotha at a company.
Same here! You can't do it, but you be thinking, "Young blood! Dawg..."
yep!
See that's the thing...
can there be a circumstance when you CAN DO THAT?
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