Question for my religious peoples:

[NinjaspiT]

When Osiris is said to bring his believers eternal life in Egyptian Heaven, contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, we understand that as a myth.

When the sacred rites of Demeter at Eleusis are described as bringing believers happiness in their eternal life, we understand that as a myth.

In fact, when ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades, we understand that as a myth.

When Vespatian's spittle healed a blind man, we understand that as a myth.

When Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from death, we understand that as a myth.

When the Pythia , the priestess at the Oracle at Delphi, in Greece, prophesied, and over and over again for a thousand years, the prophecies came true, we understand that as a myth.

When Dionysus turned water into wine, we understand that as a myth. When Dionysus believers are filled with atay, the Spirit of God, we understand that as a myth.

When Romulus is described as the Son of God, born of a virgin, we understand that as a myth.

When Alexander the Great is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.

When Augustus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal , we understand that as a myth. woman

When Dionysus is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.

When Scipio Africanus (Scipio Africanus, for Christ's sake) is described as the Son of God, born of a mortal woman, we understand that as a myth.

So how come when Jesus is described as
the Son of God,
born of a mortal woman,
according to prophecy,
turning water into wine,
raising girls from the dead, and
healing blind men with his spittle,
and setting it up so His believers got eternal life in Heaven contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, and off to Hades—er, I mean Hell—for the bad folks...
how come that's not a myth?

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Matthew: most of these "godmen" were born way before Jesus


Jesus the man might have been real (or maybe not?) ...but the stories about him are the same stories as the other godmen who came before him.
odd, eh?

 

[Deuterion]

You honestly think this thread is going to change their minds?

 

[NinjaspiT]

You honestly think this thread is going to change their minds?

Hopefully it will get them to think criticaly on the situation at hand.


Btw,You go to LB state right?

 

[william busa]

I say we leave religion off the board and just stick to talking shit and posting porn.

This is a subject that never ends well.

 

[mike123]

in a thousand years the believers will have a new myth that supposed to be !00% the truth and they will look at the jesus stuff the same way we look at zeus and the rest

You honestly think this thread is going to change their minds?

c/s
jesus could come back right now an try to explain to them that they got it all wrong and he'd be lucky to get away with a couple decades in jail

 

[Acur]

Egyptian Heaven NIGGA STOP Osiris fuck outta here. Don't believe in this militant religion spin. FUCK Osiris.

 

[mike123]

Hopefully it will get them to think criticaly on the situation at hand.


Btw,You go to LB state right?

people get into religion because they dont wanna think critically. Fear of punishment makes it alot easier to just do what ur told

 

[Deuterion]

Btw,You go to LB state right?

Not right now.

jesus could come back right now an try to explain to them that they got it all wrong and he'd be lucky to get away with a couple decades in jail

 

[NinjaspiT]

Egyptian Heaven NIGGA STOP Osiris fuck outta here. Don't believe in this militant religion spin. FUCK Osiris.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

I agree with the OP

 

[sean69]

damn. thought this was another UFO thread. Oops.

 

[fatsack1]

I say we leave religion off the board and just stick to talking shit and posting porn.

This is a subject that never ends well.

and it is always the same ninjas in these muthafuckas.....

 

[sirrcharrles]

OP, one thing you must remember is that you are speaking with people who refuse to go against the teaching instilled from childhood. Anyone who truly investigates religion will find that Christianity is a copy of many other religions. You are also speaking to folks who have never read the bible front to back. I often wonder why noah would put two roaches on the ark(bullshit). As stated earlier most are not critical thinkers, they need guidance. To question anything would be blasphemy(another term designed to shut people up). Prior to the crusades, none of my ancestors practiced christianity. It is conceited thinking to say they were wrong.

 

[donwuan]

Who the fuck is "we"?

And Osiris is green homie. I ain't buying that one. I see what you're trying to do but you should research this shit a little better. Seems like someone is filling your head with bullshit.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

LOL...

when i was 10 God told me to get off the bike trail.

the bike trail was just as it sounds, a paved one lane street meant only for bicycles. it has signs posted at every entrance that implicitly stated "no motor vehicles".

when i was a kid i was on the bike trail, about to go around a blind curve, when God...not a voice, not my mind, not my understanding, not a near by friend as i was alone, told me to go into the grass and get off the bike trail.

i thought it was odd, but i did it.

immediately after a pick up truck came around that same blind curve, and if i stayed on the bike trail i wouldve been hit head on.

most Christians have a story like this.

this is why we believe.

there is no "critical" way to think about this other than there are higher powers at work in the lives of mortal man.

humans are hard wired by nature and evolution to believe in God.

most of us don't fight that nature.

 

[NinjaspiT]

LOL...

when i was 10 God told me to get off the bike trail.

the bike trail was just as it sounds, a paved one lane street meant only for bicycles. it has signs posted at every entrance that implicitly stated "no motor vehicles".

when i was a kid i was on the bike trail, about to go around a blind curve, when God...not a voice, not my mind, not my understanding, not a near by friend as i was alone, told me to go into the grass and get off the bike trail.

i thought it was odd, but i did it.

immediately after a pick up truck came around that same blind curve, and if i stayed on the bike trail i wouldve been hit head on.

most Christians have a story like this.

this is why we believe.

there is no "critical" way to think about this other than there are higher powers at work in the lives of mortal man.

humans are hard wired by nature and evolution to believe in God.

most of us don't fight that nature.

Evolution?

 

[Sweets]

lol...

When i was 10 god told me to get off the bike trail.

The bike trail was just as it sounds, a paved one lane street meant only for bicycles. It has signs posted at every entrance that implicitly stated "no motor vehicles".

When i was a kid i was on the bike trail, about to go around a blind curve, when god...not a voice, not my mind, not my understanding, not a near by friend as i was alone, told me to go into the grass and get off the bike trail.

I thought it was odd, but i did it.

Immediately after a pick up truck came around that same blind curve, and if i stayed on the bike trail i wouldve been hit head on.

Most christians have a story like this.

This is why we believe.

There is no "critical" way to think about this other than there are higher powers at work in the lives of mortal man.

humans are hard wired by nature and evolution to believe in god.

Most of us don't fight that nature.

c/s

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Evolution?

oh yeah, i believe God used evolution to create/refine us.

i believe in a lot of scientific discovery but my experiences with God cannot be dismissed, ignored, or explained away.

i acknowledge the evil that many people do in the name of religion and God, but the Bible says that kind of stuff will happen, so it doesn't negate my religious beliefs.

i also believe something that could be considered radical: this age we live in now is only about 10 thousand years old...but there were other ages before this one. in the creation story in Genesis God told Adam to REPLENISH the earth, suggesting that there MAY have been an earth filled with living things BEFORE the Genesis story.

 

[alexw]

LOL...

when i was 10 God told me to get off the bike trail.

the bike trail was just as it sounds, a paved one lane street meant only for bicycles. it has signs posted at every entrance that implicitly stated "no motor vehicles".

when i was a kid i was on the bike trail, about to go around a blind curve, when God...not a voice, not my mind, not my understanding, not a near by friend as i was alone, told me to go into the grass and get off the bike trail.

i thought it was odd, but i did it.

immediately after a pick up truck came around that same blind curve, and if i stayed on the bike trail i wouldve been hit head on.

most Christians have a story like this.

this is why we believe.

there is no "critical" way to think about this other than there are higher powers at work in the lives of mortal man.

humans are hard wired by nature and evolution to believe in God.

most of us don't fight that nature.

what does this have to do with Christianity though

and the teachings of Christianity?

I believe the father talks to me too

but im more inclined to describe that these thoughts/voices as apart of my physical and mental spirituality

 

[mike123]

what does this have to do with Christianity though

and the teachings of Christianity?

I believe the father talks to me too

but im more inclined to describe that these thoughts/voices as apart of my physical and mental spirituality

c/s

and humans are hardwired to believe, not to believe in any particular god
doesnt matter who or what it is

 

[NinjaspiT]

c/s

and humans are hardwired to believe, not to believe in any particular god
doesnt matter who or what it is

Where did you get this conclusion from that humans are programmed at birth to believe in an omnipotent being?

 

[mike123]

Where did you get this conclusion from that humans are programmed at birth to believe in an omnipotent being?

ur gettin it confused
i just said most of us are hardwired to believe
doesnt matter if its jesus, flyin spagetti monster, a giant floatin block of cheese or some politician.

 

[Count23]

c/s

and humans are hardwired to believe, not to believe in any particular god
doesnt matter who or what it is

 

[bootlegga]

who's "we"?

i dont believe in Osirus (sp) but i don't consider it a myth

its what someone else believes, and if that's what they choose to believe, more power to 'em.

 

[naturalistic]

A LESSON ON WISDOM


Proverbs 9

1Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

2She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table.

3She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city,

4Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,

5Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.

6Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.

7He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

8Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

9Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

THERE WAS NO MONOPOLY ON WISDOM
1 Kings

29And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.

30And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt.

31For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about.

Acts 7:22
And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.



Maybe the reason your hearing the same story, because they tapped into one source.

Brings new meaning though to the term, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

 

[alexw]

who's "we"?

i dont believe in Osirus (sp) but i don't consider it a myth

its what someone else believes, and if that's what they choose to believe, more power to 'em.

for thousands of years people believed the world was flat

thats cool to huh?

 

[brace]

So how come when Jesus is described as
the Son of God,
born of a mortal woman,
according to prophecy,
turning water into wine,
raising girls from the dead, and
healing blind men with his spittle,
and setting it up so His believers got eternal life in Heaven contemplating the unutterable, indescribable glory of God, and off to Hades—er, I mean Hell—for the bad folks...
how come that's not a myth?.

First we have to have a consensus on the word myth and what it means.

myth

–noun
1.
a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

Second we need a consensus of the affect of Judaism on Ancient Egyptian Religion. Keep in mind Jesus among many things was prophesied in the Bible long before he appeared. And prophesy s were revealed to the Egyptians in the Bible.

Genesis
{41:25} And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of
Pharaoh [is] one: God hath shewed Pharaoh what he [is]
about to do. {41:26} The seven good kine [are] seven years;
and the seven good ears [are] seven years: the dream [is]
one. {41:27} And the seven thin and ill favoured kine that
came up after them [are] seven years; and the seven empty
ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of
famine. {41:28} This [is] the thing which I have spoken
unto Pharaoh: What God [is] about to do he sheweth unto
Pharaoh.

Could Pharaoh have dreamed of Jesus also?
If so what would he have called him? Heru??

THERE WAS NO MONOPOLY ON WISDOM


Maybe the reason your hearing the same story, because they tapped into one source.

/thread

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

what does this have to do with Christianity though

and the teachings of Christianity?

I believe the father talks to me too

but im more inclined to describe that these thoughts/voices as apart of my physical and mental spirituality

i choose to believe in Christianity, it wasnt forced on me, and i certainly am not brainwashed.

so it coincides with my Christian belief system.

 

[bootlegga]

for thousands of years people believed the world was flat

thats cool to huh?

we have the tech, and it was proven as a scientifical fact that the planet as we know it is round, and that the universe does not revolve around the Earth.

however, belief in a God, in a Osirus, in a Allah, in Reincarnation, in Zeus cannot be scientifcally proven, or disproven.


it's based on faith, which is subjective, and cannot be measured by laws, theories, formulae, or theorems.


if you believe in "nothing" or "logic", cool, do you.

But i really don't see the point in measuring/proving something via facts and logic, in something totally subjective like 'faith'...


i mean, why not prove that there is no such thing as 'love' while y'all at it?

 

[alexw]

i choose to believe in Christianity, it wasnt forced on me, and i certainly am not brainwashed.

so it coincides with my Christian belief system.

thats cool bruh. im not knocking your religion

we have the tech, and it was proven as a scientifical fact that the planet as we know it is round, and that the universe does not revolve around the Earth.

however, belief in a God, in a Osirus, in a Allah, in Reincarnation, in Zeus cannot be scientifcally proven, or disproven.


it's based on faith, which is subjective, and cannot be measured by laws, theories, formulae, or theorems.


if you believe in "nothing" or "logic", cool, do you.

But i really don't see the point in measuring/proving something via facts and logic, in something totally subjective like 'faith'...


i mean, why not prove that there is no such thing as 'love' while y'all at it?

dude, dont go all over the place when i was responding to your original argument

you basically stated that its cool to believe in anything

i pointed out that the world isnt flat

now, youre on some whole other bullshit that has nothing to do with your original argument

thats also called a spin.....

 

[African Herbsman]

Do what you like

 

[alexw]

Maybe the reason your hearing the same story, because they tapped into one source.

Brings new meaning though to the term, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

not exactly

each entity comes from a different time period

therefore, they are all manmade creations tweaked to fit someones purpose

 

[naturalistic]

First we have to have a consensus on the word myth and what it means.


Second we need a consensus of the affect of Judaism on Ancient Egyptian Religion. Keep in mind Jesus among many things was prophesied in the Bible long before he appeared. And prophesy s were revealed to the Egyptians in the Bible.


Could Pharaoh have dreamed of Jesus also?
If so what would he have called him? Heru??


/thread

You think in terms of Judaism and Egyptian religion. You ever stop and remove yourself from the world you know now and try to place yourself in a world of the past. Do you think those wise men thought in terms of labels such as Judaism and Egyptian religion.

They just lived, and adhered to laws and practices, they never called things names, it was just their life. What you call religion was just a way of thinking, living. When they met upon others who came from far countries they reasoned with those strangers and compared knowledge.

You don't think it funny that Akhenatan tried to bring monothesism to Egypt 1000 years before Moses showed up, was not the Source or God as I call him seeking ways of interacting with the Egyptians and changing their thought away from the many to one. After all God is no respecter of persons.

I might be reaching a little, but then you also don't seem to think that maybe man also corrupts knowledge and maybe things taught have to be retaught ????

We have to move away from simplistic thinking when looking into these things.

 

[alexw]

You think in terms of Judaism and Egyptian religion. You ever stop and remove yourself from the world you know now and try to place yourself in a world of the past. Do you think those wise men thought in terms of labels such as Judaism and Egyptian religion.

They just lived, and adhered to laws and practices, they never called things names, it was just their life. What you call religion was just a way of thinking, living. When they met upon others who came from far countries they reasoned with those strangers and compared knowledge.

You don't think it funny that Akhenatan tried to bring monothesism to Egypt 1000 years before Moses showed up, was not the Source (God's) way of reaching the Egyptians and changing their thought away from the many to one. After all God is no respecter of persons.

I might be reaching a little, but then you also don't seem to think that maybe man also corrupts knowledge and maybe things taught have to be retaught ????

We have to move away from simplistic thinking when looking into these things.

man, are you making up history now?

WTF!!!!

they didnt sit down at the table and shoot the shit

religion has always been spread by force

the west africans practiced spirituality until the moors came in, conquered them, and forced islam upon them

the missionaries swept through europe and spread Christianity through brute force


i could give you a million examples of how religion is really spread

youre whole reasoning is extremely flawed

and there is a reason why religion and violence are synonymous

its the easiest way to control people on a macro level

 

[AtomAnt]

for thousands of years people believed in many gods - extraterrestrials - and then suddenly came abraham and there was only one god?!? nigga please!!!