Question about Nas' Ether...

[dot87]

when i first heard it back in 2001... i declared that nas won the battle... i was in 8th grade then and the cats in my class was all over jay team like "he will slaughter nas" but i wasnt looking at it as a popularity contest... i looked at it from a non biased hip hop head perspective also a street perspective too... i feel like the FANS and MAINSTREAM media rolled with jay... but the streets had sided with nas....

i always felt nas won... and i also felt that ether was incomplete... over the past decade i have came across tons of stories from niggas from NY and people that i know thats close to the industry that there were tons of lost verses from ether that nas spoke on big pun smacking jay with a bottle deeper in to the relationship with dame... and other things that the label heads claim couldnt be released because it would of destroyed jays career and he may not be who he is today

does anybody have any info or truth on this? especially my NY niggas... yall will know more than anybody...

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

I love NY, and I used to want to be a NY'er when I was an insecure teenager...

...but SOME NY'ers can be very ....loose with the truth.

So, don't get your hopes up.

 

[dot87]

I love NY, and I used to want to be a NY'er when I was an insecure teenager...

...but SOME NY'ers can be very ....loose with the truth.

So, don't get your hopes up.

...

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

...

For example: I heard so many stories about NYC streetballers that, in hindsight, bordered on the mystical - but once I finally got a chance to see these guys play...

...they were very good, but no way NEAR as good as dudes made them out to be.

That is just ONE example of NY niggas over-hyping shit.

I remember Alimoe from AND 1 saying dudes in NY were telling him he was better than Jordan and he was a teenager. Seriously, I've been around NY'ers long enough to know of what I speak. Them niggas can exaggerate the FUCK out of a story.


Dear BGOL NY'ers:

If this does not describe you, there is no need to take offense.

Sincerely,

SE

 

[crazyace718]

I heard this Pun verse was about Jay back in 2000 when this song dropped.

Don't let the liquor fool you, cause I'll stick it to you
Somethin sharp to the heart, or somethin big to move you
The Desert or the shottie, whateva you the body
that chose to be the dumb nigga at the party
Too much Bacardi started speakin dumb
Then you tried to snuff Joe - must have been Puerto Rican rum

 

[dot87]

For example: I heard so many stories about NYC streetballers that, in hindsight, bordered on the mystical - but once I finally got a chance to see these guys play...

...they were very good, but no way NEAR as good as dudes made them out to be.

That is just ONE example of NY niggas over-hyping shit.

I remember Alimoe from AND 1 saying dudes in NY were telling him he was better than Jordan and he was a teenager. Seriously, I've been around NY'ers long enough to know of what I speak. Them niggas can exaggerate the FUCK out of a story.


Dear BGOL NY'ers:

If this does not describe you, there is no need to take offense.

Sincerely,

SE

whhhhhhhhhoooaaaaaaa

 

[Mr. Met]

It's no secret Pun had no respect for Jigga.

So the Pun story is believable but without any hard proof it is what it is.

@ :42

 

[crazyace718]

For example: I heard so many stories about NYC streetballers that, in hindsight, bordered on the mystical - but once I finally got a chance to see these guys play...

...they were very good, but no way NEAR as good as dudes made them out to be.

That is just ONE example of NY niggas over-hyping shit.

I remember Alimoe from AND 1 saying dudes in NY were telling him he was better than Jordan and he was a teenager. Seriously, I've been around NY'ers long enough to know of what I speak. Them niggas can exaggerate the FUCK out of a story.


Dear BGOL NY'ers:

If this does not describe you, there is no need to take offense.

Sincerely,

SE

Yeah whatever....

Yo I ever told yall niggas about the time I saw Thomas Shepherd grab a 20 dollar bill from on top of a backboard..... with his teeth?!?

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Yeah whatever....

Yo I ever told yall niggas about the time I saw Thomas Shepherd grab a 20 dollar bill from on top of a backboard..... with his teeth?!?

I heard that shit about Earl Manigault.

...where is "The Goat" from?

 

[tonydons2]

It's no secret Pun had no respect for Jigga.

So the Pun story is believable but without any hard proof it is what it is.

@ :42

In the clip, i coudn't get pass the part where its 4 dudes in the front of the limo, and 1 dude taking up the whole other half!! Pun was a big dude!! RIP

 

[Onpoint]

It's no secret Pun had no respect for Jigga.

So the Pun story is believable but without any hard proof it is what it is.

@ :42

That's funny cuz Pun went on tour with Jay right before the Hard Knock life tour. I saw them both at the Van Andel Arena in 98' in Grand Rapids! They must have had a falling out right after!

 

[tonydons2]

Its true that NY cats exaggerate!!

I'm from Hampton VA, and I used to hang around these two dudes that came down every summer from NY. It was Allen Iverson's rookie year, and they sweared to God there was a dude in NY better than Iverson and Jordan, and he was going to Fresno State!! I told them I had never heard of him!!

It turn out to be Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston)

 

[Archonic Monk]

Yeah I remember Angie Martinez Speaking on it the day after
She was there said she had to calm the two forces down cuz there wasa about to be a Spanish Verses Black WAR ... It shit had popped off like it was about to
Those days Kats went into the Club SUPER DEEP.. So if it popped it would be a Massacre

I heard this Pun verse was about Jay back in 2000 when this song dropped.

Don't let the liquor fool you, cause I'll stick it to you
Somethin sharp to the heart, or somethin big to move you
The Desert or the shottie, whateva you the body
that chose to be the dumb nigga at the party
Too much Bacardi started speakin dumb
Then you tried to snuff Joe - must have been Puerto Rican rum

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Its true that NY cats exaggerate!!

I'm from Hampton VA, and I used to hang around these two dudes that came down every summer from NY. It was Allen Iverson's rookie year, and they sweared to God there was a dude in NY better than Iverson and Jordan, and he was going to Fresno State!! I told them I had never heard of him!!

It turn out to be Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston)

Skip was one of the dudes that was overhyped by NY cats.

The stories I heard about that dude was insane, and then...

...AND 1 Vol. 1 was released. I never knew it was possible to be so impressed yet disappointed.

 

[POSTERBOY]

Dear BGOL NY'ers:

If this does not describe you, there is no need to take offense.

Sincerely,

SE

Oh OK nigga...









but nah, I heard the pun hitting him with a champagne bottle story and supposedly that's why him and fat joe have always had a quiet "beef" but as far as lost verses on ether? not buying it one bit, before ether came out everyone pretty much wrote Nas off and said his eulogy. with stillmatic about to drop, if he had some scathing shit to say about dude the label heads would have been more than happy to put it out

 

[Mr. Met]

That's funny cuz Pun went on tour with Jay right before the Hard Knock life tour. I saw them both at the Van Andel Arena in 98' in Grand Rapids! They must have had a falling out right after!

Remember Jay and Joe had beef at the Rucker so maybe that's what sparked it.

All you need to know about Ether are Jay's reactions from the below the belt, immature Superugly to the rapid disintegration of his relationship with Jaz-O whom he blames for supplying Nas info for Ether to his constant references of the 'Ether' allegations on future albums.

Even if a tape surfaces of Jigga getting clowned by Pun surfaces, camel riders will still defend it so what does it matter?

 

[dot87]

Remember Jay and Joe had beef at the Rucker so maybe that's what sparked it.

All you need to know about Ether are Jay's reactions from the below the belt, immature Superugly to the rapid disintegration of his relationship with Jaz-O whom he blames for supplying Nas info for Ether to his constant references of the 'Ether' allegations on future albums.

Even if a tape surfaces of Jigga getting clowned by Pun surfaces, camel riders will still defend it so what does it matter?

i always felt that super ugly was a weak response

 

[EPDC]

Yeah I remember Angie Martinez Speaking on it the day after
She was there said she had to calm the two forces down cuz there wasa about to be a Spanish Verses Black WAR ... It shit had popped off like it was about to
Those days Kats went into the Club SUPER DEEP.. So if it popped it would be a Massacre

Peace but I wouldn't believe a damn thing Angie Martinez had to say. I lived in NY during this time (1996-2001) and although I remember hearing of Jay-Z/Pun beef, I don't recall nor do I believe it would have spilled into a Black vs Latino "war." New York City isn't LA, where Mexican's target black folks. This would have been a label/studio beef, not a larger Black vs Brown beef in the streets. Shit during his (98-death) heyday, I remember black cats giving Pun more love than Jay-Z.

 

[cozmic33]

Remember Jay and Joe had beef at the Rucker so maybe that's what sparked it.

All you need to know about Ether are Jay's reactions from the below the belt, immature Superugly to the rapid disintegration of his relationship with Jaz-O whom he blames for supplying Nas info for Ether to his constant references of the 'Ether' allegations on future albums.

Even if a tape surfaces of Jigga getting clowned by Pun surfaces, camel riders will still defend it so what does it matter?

this right here.

 

[merce77]

I used to fuck with this jumpoff who rolled with Fat Joe's crew back when that beef with Jay was going on and I heard from a couple heads and females who had no beef with Jay that the bottle to the dome story is true. As for myself. And really don't care, I think 99% of most rappers reps are based on the niccas they roll with anyway.

 

[merce77]

Peace but I wouldn't believe a damn thing Angie Martinez had to say. I lived in NY during this time (1996-2001) and although I remember hearing of Jay-Z/Pun beef, I don't recall nor do I believe it would have spilled into a Black vs Latino "war." New York City isn't LA, where Mexican's target black folks. This would have been a label/studio beef, not a larger Black vs Brown beef in the streets. Shit during his (98-death) heyday, I remember black cats giving Pun more love than Jay-Z.

This, motherfuckers always will try to turn shit into a racial thing. Playing right into whitey's hands.

 

[mathtest]

Its true that NY cats exaggerate!!

I'm from Hampton VA, and I used to hang around these two dudes that came down every summer from NY. It was Allen Iverson's rookie year, and they sweared to God there was a dude in NY better than Iverson and Jordan, and he was going to Fresno State!! I told them I had never heard of him!!

It turn out to be Skip to My Lou (Rafer Alston)

GOD SHAMGOD was hyped up also, his ball handle game is quite impressive tho

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

GOD SHAMGOD was hyped up also, his ball handle game is quite impressive tho

It ain't that Shamm or Skip weren't sick, but they couldn't have possibly lived up to the stories told about them.

 

[mathtest]

It ain't that Shamm or Skip weren't sick, but they couldn't have possibly lived up to the stories told about them.

agreed, once a person is hyped up that much they are doomed

 

[Amajorfucup]

... over the past decade i have came across tons of stories from niggas from NY and people that i know thats close to the industry that there were tons of lost verses from ether that nas spoke on big pun smacking jay with a bottle deeper in to the relationship with dame... and other things that the label heads claim couldnt be released because it would of destroyed jays career and he may not be who he is today

does anybody have any info or truth on this? especially my NY niggas... yall will know more than anybody...

Its true. I even heard/read an interview from Nas that confirmed it all. He was pretty much saying that when his mom died he was in a space mentally where he didnt give a fuck about anything. He said he made several tracks that would have ruined many a people and possibly gotten him killed. He said when he came out of his depression he made sure to destroy all tapes, and evidence pertaining to their existence.

 

[Studio718]

The club thing with Jay & Pun happened upstate, but no bottles to the head if I remember correctly from my boys who used to roll with TS.
Pun may have grabbed a bottle or something and put it against jay's head.

 

[dot87]

Its true. I even heard/read an interview from Nas that confirmed it all. He was pretty much saying that when his mom died he was in a space mentally where he didnt give a fuck about anything. He said he made several tracks that would have ruined many a people and possibly gotten him killed. He said when he came out of his depression he made sure to destroy all tapes, and evidence pertaining to their existence.

*agent smith voice* more...

 

[Archonic Monk]

Peace but I wouldn't believe a damn thing Angie Martinez had to say. I lived in NY during this time (1996-2001) and although I remember hearing of Jay-Z/Pun beef, I don't recall nor do I believe it would have spilled into a Black vs Latino "war." New York City isn't LA, where Mexican's target black folks. This would have been a label/studio beef, not a larger Black vs Brown beef in the streets. Shit during his (98-death) heyday, I remember black cats giving Pun more love than Jay-Z.

Naw u misunderstand thats what Angie said on the radio. The very next day & she did not mean it in a serious way like Cali more like a Posse War like BMW vs Decepts

No one gave more love to black than Joe cuz Joe was in the hood if you from the hood then Joe showed love

This was before Rucker..This was two powerful factions about to Pop Off

 

[exiledking]

I love NY, and I used to want to be a NY'er when I was an insecure teenager...

...but SOME NY'ers can be very ....loose with the truth.

So, don't get your hopes up.

 

[playahaitian]

I actually listened to Ether recently and now I think Jay didn't lose that one.

Ether is just filled with a bunch of anger and gay-z lines

is that lyrical?

Damn Pac KILLED dissing BIG with jacking that beat and talking DIRECTLY to BIG

and them.

damn Jay is FAMOUS for destroying dudes with ONE LINE


The boy ended throwbacks and that "this is why im hot " kid in an interview

I listened to Super Ugly (which was all true) and Blueprint² where he says

"Can't y'all, see that he's fake, the rap version of TD Jakes
Prophesizing on your CDs and tapes
Won't break you a crumb of the little bit that he makes
And this is with whom you want to place your faith?
I put dollars on mine, ask Columbine
When the Twin Towers dropped, I was the first in line (That's real!)
Donating proceeds off every ticket sold
When I was out on the road, that's how you judge Hov, no?
Ain't I supposed to be absorbed myself?
Every time there's a tragedy, I'm the first one to help
They call me this misogynist, but they don't call me the dude
To take his dollars to give gifts at the projects
These dudes is all politics, depositing checks
They put in they pocket, all you get in return is a lot of lip (yap, yap, yap!)
And y'all buy the shit, caught up in the hype
Cause the nigga wear a kufi, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write
Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?
Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?
I've been real all my life, they confuse it with conceit
Since I will not lose, they try to help him cheat
But I will not lose, for even in defeat
There's a valuable lesson learned, so it evens up for me
When the grass is cut, the snakes will show
I gotta thank the little homie Nas for that though
Saving me the hassle of speaking to half of these assholes
And I'mma let karma catch up to Jaz-O, whoa
I'm back before you had a chance to miss me
My mama can't save you this time, niggas is history
Who you know flow vicious as me?
Yet so religiously, that's why they call me Hov
I get the spoils cause the victor is me (me, nigga)
You're an actor, you're not who you're depicted to be
You're street dreamin, all y'all niggas living through me
I gave you life when niggas was forgetting you emcee
I'm a legend, you should take a picture with me
You should be happy to be in my presence, I should charge you a fee
I'm Big Dog, Glenn Rob, listen God you a flea
And the little homey Jungle is a garden to me
What's the problem B? You not as hard as me
Nigga hard as we, nigga R O C, nigga
That's why they follow me, they feel my pain and my agony, nigga
I won't rest till you on one knee
You want war then it's war's gonna be, nigga
Until you on one knee, you want war then it's war's gonna be, nigga


I dont know but that hits truer to me then cockafeller rhymes
great website...

http://rapgenius.com/lyrics/Jay-z/Blueprint2#note-28425

 

[Nobody]

Maybe I'll put it like this. Nas made the better son. Jay made the better diss record.

People voted on the song. Superugly vs Ether.

 

[TENT]

Anyone with sense knows:


Jay won the war.

If Pun hit Jay over the head with a bottle where is the scar?

Why wouldnt Fat Joe or ANYONE from TS just admit to it!!

How come they are so scared to say it.

It has been 20 years!

 

[POSTERBOY]

I actually listened to Ether recently and now I think Jay didn't lose that one.

Ether is just filled with a bunch of anger and gay-z lines

is that lyrical?

Damn Pac KILLED dissing BIG with jacking that beat and talking DIRECTLY to BIG

and them.

damn Jay is FAMOUS for destroying dudes with ONE LINE


The boy ended throwbacks and that "this is why im hot " kid in an interview

I listened to Super Ugly (which was all true) and Blueprint² where he says

"Can't y'all, see that he's fake, the rap version of TD Jakes
Prophesizing on your CDs and tapes
Won't break you a crumb of the little bit that he makes
And this is with whom you want to place your faith?
I put dollars on mine, ask Columbine
When the Twin Towers dropped, I was the first in line (That's real!)
Donating proceeds off every ticket sold
When I was out on the road, that's how you judge Hov, no?
Ain't I supposed to be absorbed myself?
Every time there's a tragedy, I'm the first one to help
They call me this misogynist, but they don't call me the dude
To take his dollars to give gifts at the projects
These dudes is all politics, depositing checks
They put in they pocket, all you get in return is a lot of lip (yap, yap, yap!)
And y'all buy the shit, caught up in the hype
Cause the nigga wear a kufi, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write
Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?
Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?
I've been real all my life, they confuse it with conceit
Since I will not lose, they try to help him cheat
But I will not lose, for even in defeat
There's a valuable lesson learned, so it evens up for me
When the grass is cut, the snakes will show
I gotta thank the little homie Nas for that though
Saving me the hassle of speaking to half of these assholes
And I'mma let karma catch up to Jaz-O, whoa
I'm back before you had a chance to miss me
My mama can't save you this time, niggas is history
Who you know flow vicious as me?
Yet so religiously, that's why they call me Hov
I get the spoils cause the victor is me (me, nigga)
You're an actor, you're not who you're depicted to be
You're street dreamin, all y'all niggas living through me
I gave you life when niggas was forgetting you emcee
I'm a legend, you should take a picture with me
You should be happy to be in my presence, I should charge you a fee
I'm Big Dog, Glenn Rob, listen God you a flea
And the little homey Jungle is a garden to me
What's the problem B? You not as hard as me
Nigga hard as we, nigga R O C, nigga
That's why they follow me, they feel my pain and my agony, nigga
I won't rest till you on one knee
You want war then it's war's gonna be, nigga
Until you on one knee, you want war then it's war's gonna be, nigga


I dont know but that hits truer to me then cockafeller rhymes
great website...

http://rapgenius.com/lyrics/Jay-z/Blueprint2#note-28425

been saying this from day 1. I'm a fan of Ether, oddly enough I was never really a fan of takeover, but Ether's beat was just sooooooo fucking sick!

takeover wasn't even really about nas except for the last verse...

and people like to act like nas rose from the ashes like a phoenix with Ether, but in reality he dropped a track in response to takeover (h to the homo) and it was pretty garbage niggas like pretending it didn't happen tho

 

[Llano]

this right here.

This is the first time I ever heard this clip. Dude sounded like he was on the verge of dropping a tear

Ether>>>>>>>>

 

[ric flair]

Jay Z is on tour with U2.... Nas????