Queen Nzinga

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For those that always wanna mention how Africans sold other Africans into slavery when you bring up the Arab or European slave trade. Say, ''Yea ok.'' then hit them with this. Queen Nzinga -OK17

Queen Nzinga (Nzinga Mbande), the monarch of the Mbundu people, was a resilient leader who fought against the Portuguese and their expanding slave trade in Central Africa.

During the late 16th Century, the French and the English threatened the Portuguese near monopoly on the sources of slaves along the West African coast, forcing it to seek new areas for exploitation. By 1580 they had already established a trading relationship with Afonso I in the nearby Kongo Kingdom. They then turned to Angola, south of the Kongo.

The Portuguese established a fort and settlement at Luanda in 1617, encroaching on Mbundu land. In 1622 they invited Ngola (King) Mbande to attend a peace conference there to end the hostilities with the Mbundu. Mbande sent his sister, Nzinga, to represent him in a meeting with Portuguese Governor Joao Corria de Sousa. Nzinga was aware of her diplomatically awkward position. She knew of events in the Kongo which had led to Portuguese domination of the nominally independent nation. She also recognized, however, that to refuse to trade with the Portuguese would remove a potential ally and the major source of guns for her own state.

In the first of a series of meetings Nzinga sought to establish her equality with the representative of the Portugal crown. Noting that the only chair in the room belonged to Governor Corria, she immediately motioned to one of her assistants who fell on their hands and knees and served as a chair for Nzinga for the rest of the meeting.

Despite that display, Nzinga made accommodations with the Portuguese. She converted to Christianity and adopted the name Dona Anna de Souza. She was baptized in honor of the governor's wife who also became her godmother. Shortly afterwards Nzinga urged a reluctant Ngola Mbande to order the conversion of his people to Christianity.

In 1626 Nzinga became Queen of the Mbundu when her brother committed suicide in the face of rising Portuguese demands for slave trade concessions. Nzinga, however, refused to allow them to control her nation. In 1627, after forming alliances with former rival states, she led her army against the Portuguese, initiating a thirty year war against them. She exploited European rivalry by forging an alliance with the Dutch who had conquered Luanda in 1641. With their help, Nzinga defeated a Portuguese army in 1647. When the Dutch were in turn defeated by the Portuguese the following year and withdrew from Central Africa, Nzinga continued her struggle against the Portuguese. Now in her 60s she still personally led troops in battle. She also orchestrated guerilla attacks on the Portuguese which would continue long after her death and inspire the ultimately successful 20th Century armed resistance against the Portuguese that resulted in independent Angola in 1975.

Despite repeated attempts by the Portuguese and their allies to capture or kill Queen Nzinga, she died peacefully in her eighties on December 17, 1663.

Sources:
Inge Tvedten, Angola: Struggle for Peace and Reconstruction (Boulder: Westview Press, 1997); Gary Y. Okihiro, In Resistance: Studies in African, Carribbean and Afro American History (Amherst: University of Massachusetts Press, 1986).
 
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Despite that display, Nzinga made accommodations with the Portuguese. She converted to Christianity and adopted the name Dona Anna de Souza. She was baptized in honor of the governor's wife who also became her godmother. Shortly afterwards Nzinga urged a reluctant Ngola Mbande to order the conversion of his people to Christianity.


What was their religion before Christianity.
 
You should be compel to say more on the story of her sitting on someone's back.

A famous story says that in her meeting with the Portuguese governor, João Correia de Sousa did not offer a chair to sit on during the negotiations, and, instead, had placed a floor mat for her to sit, which in Mbundu custom was appropriate only for subordinates. The scene was imaginatively reconstructed by the Italian priest Cavazzi and printed as an engraving in his book of 1687. Not willing to accept this degradation she ordered one of her servants to get down on the ground and sat on the servant's back during negotiations. By doing this, she asserted her status was equal to the governor, proving her worth as a brave and confident individual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nzinga_of_Ndongo_and_Matamba
She was very smart!
 
You should be compel to say more on the story of her sitting on someone's back.

A famous story says that in her meeting with the Portuguese governor, João Correia de Sousa did not offer a chair to sit on during the negotiations, and, instead, had placed a floor mat for her to sit, which in Mbundu custom was appropriate only for subordinates. The scene was imaginatively reconstructed by the Italian priest Cavazzi and printed as an engraving in his book of 1687. Not willing to accept this degradation she ordered one of her servants to get down on the ground and sat on the servant's back during negotiations. By doing this, she asserted her status was equal to the governor, proving her worth as a brave and confident individual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nzinga_of_Ndongo_and_Matamba
She was very smart!


You know wikipedia is not black friendly.
 
You should be compel to say more on the story of her sitting on someone's back.

A famous story says that in her meeting with the Portuguese governor, João Correia de Sousa did not offer a chair to sit on during the negotiations, and, instead, had placed a floor mat for her to sit, which in Mbundu custom was appropriate only for subordinates. The scene was imaginatively reconstructed by the Italian priest Cavazzi and printed as an engraving in his book of 1687. Not willing to accept this degradation she ordered one of her servants to get down on the ground and sat on the servant's back during negotiations. By doing this, she asserted her status was equal to the governor, proving her worth as a brave and confident individual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nzinga_of_Ndongo_and_Matamba
She was very smart!

My brotha I am compelled to try and start threads that cause inrformative conversations.

Nobody is compelled more information on the topics that are bitch ass gossiping or grouping .

Why is it so hard to have any conversation not based on being a victim or a gossiping groupy ?

Why did i have to search this to find it a couple hours later ?
 
Nzinga was a strong woman who usurped what should have been
her brother's throne. She was so strong that she actually had
several hubands at the same time.
 
Nzinga was a strong woman who usurped what should have been
her brother's throne. She was so strong that she actually had
several hubands at the same time.

Makes since your faggot ass models himself after a woman.
 
Nzinga saw the thread title and thought you were talking about him...
 
Makes since your faggot ass models himself after a woman.
Nzinga, Njika, Nsinga, Singa, Zinga, etc... are all unisex names which
are common in that part of Africa... Search for Nzinga Ngole, you will
find that he was a saxophone player for the grand master Franco's
TP OK Jazz... Please confine your expertise to the Chinese language
 
Nzinga, Njika, Nsinga, Singa, Zinga, etc... are all unisex names which
are common in that part of Africa... Search for Nzinga Ngole, you will
find that he was a saxophone player for the grand master Franco's
TP OK Jazz... Please confine your expertise to the Chinese language

So is Stacy and Loren faggot. You chose that handle for feminine reasons. I have never seen you in 1 pussy post giving props ever. You only discuss male guitar players and anus eating. Faggot.

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NZINGA


USAGE:*African,*History

PRONOUNCED:*un-zingah, en-ZING-ga (African), un-zingah (History)





Meaning & History

Belonged to Queen Nzinga of Angola, Africa (c.1583-1663). May actually mean queen, but some sources suggest that it is derived from "river" or "of the river". In 'The Book of African Names' (1991), linguist Molefi Asante lists*Nzingaas a "Central African" feminine name meaning "she is beauty and courage".
 
If memory serves me correct, (unless there is another Queen Nzinga), didn't she loose her left eye in battle? And continued the fight? I got some material on her in the house somewhere.
 
you should be compel to say more on the story of her sitting on someone's back.

A famous story says that in her meeting with the portuguese governor, joão correia de sousa did not offer a chair to sit on during the negotiations, and, instead, had placed a floor mat for her to sit, which in mbundu custom was appropriate only for subordinates. the scene was imaginatively reconstructed by the italian priest cavazzi and printed as an engraving in his book of 1687. not willing to accept this degradation she ordered one of her servants to get down on the ground and sat on the servant's back during negotiations. By doing this, she asserted her status was equal to the governor, proving her worth as a brave and confident individual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/nzinga_of_ndongo_and_matamba
she was very smart!

yeah i remember my dad telling me as youngin about the significance of her sitting on the subject, and that portuguese bitch intentionally made it so there wouldnt be a sit for her,thought it be one way!
 
My brotha I am compelled to try and start threads that cause inrformative conversations.

Nobody is compelled more information on the topics that are bitch ass gossiping or grouping .

Why is it so hard to have any conversation not based on being a victim or a gossiping groupy ?

Why did i have to search this to find it a couple hours later ?

I would not have commented on post, since there are few post done on her before by our residence BOLer with the same name. I only intended to explain your pic.
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The pic is powerful statement showing her logic thinking and strong presence as leader, once you put it into prospective.

Think about it? If you saw a woman command a man do that so she can sit on his back, and she has 10+ men in her crew. Would not you be fearful of her power?
Makes me think of this from the Art of war.
“Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
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Meaning & History

Belonged to Queen Nzinga of Angola, Africa (c.1583-1663). May actually mean queen, but some sources suggest that it is derived from "river" or "of the river". In 'The Book of African Names' (1991), linguist Molefi Asante lists*Nzingaas a "Central African" feminine name meaning "she is beauty and courage".

Molefi Asante, who was born in America as Lee Arthur Jr,
and wrote the bullshit book you are referring to is talking
rubbish. He should stick to whatever it is he knows. Nzinga
is a common Bantu name in south western Africa and Congo.
Nzinga Mbandi whom you refer to in this thread was a muKongo
(Kongo native) from the Kingdom of Ndongo. She was not the
first, or the last, Nzinga, nor is the name feminine...

I do know of female Nzingas who are not baKongo..

Nzinga as an old baKongo name is generally a last
name, .......................; The Nzinga
you know as Queen Nzinga was born Nzinga Mbandi,
and later converted to christianity as Anna Nzinga,
indicating that here real first name was Mbandi...
But I am not sure about this, and even though I have
never heard of a muKongo girl called Nzinga, I still
defer to the possibility that in that mish-mash of
Kongo-Mbundu culture, there may be female Nzingas.

Nzinga Mbandi was not the first Nzinga, and preceding
her by more than 100 years, in the same Angola was
a lineage of Kings whose last name was Nzinga. Here is
an article written on the subject by Tsimba Mabiala,
himself a full blooded muKongo...

Exhibit 1-There were Nzingas before Queen Nzinga Mbandi

Nzinga_Nkuwu

Nzinga Mbemba or King Afonso I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afonso_I_of_Kongo

Mpanzu a Nzinga
c. 1460 to 1506
Traditional Religionist
Kongo (D. R. Congo)


Mpanzu a Nzinga (circa 1460-1506), a contender for the throne of the Kongo kingdom in 1506, advocated a return to traditional religious values, thus reversing the initial acceptance of the Catholic religion and Western culture. Mpanzu, however, was defeated by his brother Mvemba Nzinga who welcomed the Portuguese as his allies.

Probably born between 1456 and 1460, Mpanzu a Nzinga was the son of Nzinga Nkuwu, the king of the Kongo who welcomed the Portuguese explorer, Diogo Cao, who landed at the mouth of the Zaire River in August 1482. While the king, the queen-mother and the king's other son, Mvemba Nzinga, embraced the Catholic faith and took respectively the first names of Jõao I, Eleanor, and Afonso, Mpanzu a Nzinga remained faithful to his traditional beliefs.

Mpanzu's adherence to custom won him the sympathy of the common people and of a large part of the nobility who supported him as the heir apparent to the throne. These partisans persuaded the king to abandon Christianity and to designate Mpanzu as his successor instead of Mvemba Nzinga, a fervent Christian.

The king returned to his traditional religion for several reasons. First, the Portuguese auto-da-fès (burning of heretics) stirred unrest among the people. Second, the king found it difficult to abandon polygamy, a practice enabling him to forge alliances which reinforced his power. Third, he concluded that the white man's material power was not due to the efficacy of Christianity. Thus, around 1494, only three years after his baptism, Nzinga Nkuwu forced most of the missionaries and Portuguese to leave Mbanza-Kongo (the capital, later named San Salvador). The Europeans then went to live in the province of Nzundi (located north of Mbanza-Kongo on the Zaire River) which was governed by Mvemba Nzinga. Mpanzu Nzinga, meanwhile, established Mpangu province (located between Mbanza-Kongo and Nsundi), which he administered, and surrounded himself with traditionalists.

Mpanzu's partisans brought many accusations against his rival Mvemba Nzinga, who destroyed traditional religious objects that had been venerated for generations and supported the new religion with great zeal. Therefore Mvemba Nzinga was dismissed as governor of Nsundi by the king. Although he managed to exonerate himself and receive pardon, he again fell into disgrace and was summoned to Mbanza-Kongo for discipline. Mvemba Nzinga, however, was able to delay his arrival in the capital, and the old king died before confronting his son.

After Nzinga Nkuwu's death in 1506, an intense succession dispute erupted. Some authors, for example Batsikama, believe that, strengthened by popular support and by the Mani-Vandu (spiritual chief of the earth and traditional priest of coronations), Mpanzu a Nzinga succeeded Nzinga Nkuwu as the invested king before his brother Mvemba Nzinga was able to gain power several months later, probably in 1507. Cuvelier, however, claims the war of succession, which brought the Christian Mvemba Nzinga to the throne, began immediately following the death of the king.

What is certain is that Mpanzu's refusal to convert to the Christian religion won him the hostility of the Portuguese who defended Mvemba Nzinga. Because of Portuguese help, the followers of the new religion, despite their small numbers, crushed Mpanzu's more numerous partisans. Mpanzu was killed and Mvemba Nzinga became king. Although the conquerors attributed their success to divine intervention, their victory is best explained by the fact that they had Portuguese artillery while Mpanzu's forces had only traditional arms. Mpanzu's death marked a turning point for the Kongo kingdom. With the accession of a "Christian prince," Portuguese exploitation, under the guise of Christianization, increased dramatically.

Mpanzu a Nzinga was a farsighted chief and a fierce defender of custom. Unlike his Christian brother, who kept him from the throne, he correctly interpreted Portuguese intentions in the Kongo. The Portuguese hid behind their religion in order to destroy Kongolese society. After Mpanzu a Nzinga's defeat, the Portuguese gained increasing control over the affairs of the kingdom. Perceiving the disastrous consequences of cultural assimilation, and advocating respect for traditional values as a basis for harmonious development, Mpanzu a Nzinga can be considered the precursor of authenticity. [SIZE=-1]Tsimba Mabiala[/SIZE]






Exhibit 2:-Nzingas have not disappeared, they are still there today.


Here is a modern day Nzinga. A muKongo from Zaire.
His last name is Nzinga, meaning his father, grandfather,
greatgrand father, great-great grandfather, and all
their off-spring had the last name Nzinga... ..There
are many many many baKongo whose last name is
Nzinga.

Héritier Luvumbu Nzinga





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I think we all know this story, however, what happened with the western African nations who gave the Europeans a foothold in Africa in the first place.

This doesn't give any militant an argument.
 
I think we all know this story, however, what happened with the western African nations who gave the Europeans a foothold in Africa in the first place.

This doesn't give any militant an argument.
you do not know the history. The history of the Kongo, Lunda, Luba and Kuba
empires is long and extensive. Where did you learn it. Get the fuck out of here.
Until I destroyed the bitch Dr Truth, most of you thought he caught me in a vice
because I was using the name of a woman... Many of you are idiots... This is my
part of Africa, and the short version of one of my middle names actually is
similar to the name Nzinga... which is why I chose that name... fools
 
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Dr Truth, you have never seen me making assertions
of homosexual or Chinese history. Please stay out of
African history
 
Kudos to this woman, but let's not act like Africans WEREN'T selling fellow Africans to Europeans:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/9chapter2.shtml

Those Africans who are said to have sold Africans were the ancestors of you
and me, so what the fuck are you saying. Are you telling me that you have no
sins? Why is it that some of you cannot see a black person do a good thing
without trying to throw dirt in it? Why the fuck do you think I give a damn
about an article written by the British Bullshit Corporation
 
I think we all know this story, however, what happened with the western African nations who gave the Europeans a foothold in Africa in the first place.

This doesn't give any militant an argument.

do you mean the fact that when these nations were first infected by the lies of the missionaries?
or do you mean the manipulations of the traders which played on tribes fear in order to sell crappy weapons for gold at first claiming the enemy clans were also tooling up to murder them?
or the case that the slavery performed by them was vastly different from the ideals of europeans and they sold their prisoners of war not of their tribe?
or the fact when they finally understood how deep the deception went, they attempted to fight back to no avail...
or the fact that during the life of Queen Nzinga, who fought to her last and because of the success of her opposition, called forth the meeting depicted above...

the question which you asked is a loaded one... and at the same time, not asked about the centuries of slavery which europeans have done to themselves under feudalism... and the forced ignorance set upon the region by the Roman Catholic Church to ensure all of them were illiterate and blithering idiots...etc.

exactly which argument are you attempting to form?
 
do you mean the fact that when these nations were first infected by the lies of the missionaries?
or do you mean the manipulations of the traders which played on tribes fear in order to sell crappy weapons for gold at first claiming the enemy clans were also tooling up to murder them?
or the case that the slavery performed by them was vastly different from the ideals of europeans and they sold their prisoners of war not of their tribe?
or the fact when they finally understood how deep the deception went, they attempted to fight back to no avail...
or the fact that during the life of Queen Nzinga, who fought to her last and because of the success of her opposition, called forth the meeting depicted above...

the question which you asked is a loaded one... and at the same time, not asked about the centuries of slavery which europeans have done to themselves under feudalism... and the forced ignorance set upon the region by the Roman Catholic Church to ensure all of them were illiterate and blithering idiots...etc.

exactly which argument are you attempting to form?
oh well..........
 
You should be compel to say more on the story of her sitting on someone's back.

A famous story says that in her meeting with the Portuguese governor, João Correia de Sousa did not offer a chair to sit on during the negotiations, and, instead, had placed a floor mat for her to sit, which in Mbundu custom was appropriate only for subordinates. The scene was imaginatively reconstructed by the Italian priest Cavazzi and printed as an engraving in his book of 1687. Not willing to accept this degradation she ordered one of her servants to get down on the ground and sat on the servant's back during negotiations. By doing this, she asserted her status was equal to the governor, proving her worth as a brave and confident individual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nzinga_of_Ndongo_and_Matamba
She was very smart!

You do realize it was explained in the OP's original post did you read it ?????
 
You are always welcome my sister

:)

do you mean the fact that when these nations were first infected by the lies of the missionaries?
or do you mean the manipulations of the traders which played on tribes fear in order to sell crappy weapons for gold at first claiming the enemy clans were also tooling up to murder them?
or the case that the slavery performed by them was vastly different from the ideals of europeans and they sold their prisoners of war not of their tribe?
or the fact when they finally understood how deep the deception went, they attempted to fight back to no avail...
or the fact that during the life of Queen Nzinga, who fought to her last and because of the success of her opposition, called forth the meeting depicted above...

the question which you asked is a loaded one... and at the same time, not asked about the centuries of slavery which europeans have done to themselves under feudalism... and the forced ignorance set upon the region by the Roman Catholic Church to ensure all of them were illiterate and blithering idiots...etc.

exactly which argument are you attempting to form?

Damn

:popcorn:
 
Lets make it easy since simpletons still have the same troll like questions...

Africa is a continent..
on the continent there are spheres of influence of governing... we call them states in the USA... natives had tribes... europe have countries...

As an englishmen doesn't see the french or german as their fellows... why the fuck you idiots believe that because you are from the continent of africa and bear the dark skin... that all Africans are of the same tribe... like its one big tribe encompassing all of the continent..

you blithering fucktards in America can understand that there are black republicans, conservatives, etc... you think that all Africans have the same ideology? Heritage? have any of you even watched a documentary? read a history book? hell, even the Black Panther comic book elluded to the different tribe nations of Africa... Even as you look at a modern map, you can see the various nations set up via colonialism... but still ask stupid questions as you have?
 
you do not know the history. The history of the Kongo, Lunda, Luba and Kuba
empires is long and extensive. Where did you learn it. Get the fuck out of here.
Until I destroyed the bitch Dr Truth, most of you thought he caught me in a vice
because I was using the name of a woman... Many of you are idiots... This is my
part of Africa, and the short version of one of my middle names actually is
similar to the name Nzinga... which is why I chose that name... fools

When I first saw your name I thought the same as Dr Truth, but when I did my research on the name I understood exactly what you wrote and it make me realized that you have great knowledge on Africa to share on the board instead of attacking other races. I think you done a fantastic job educating many of us and I salute you for the knowledge many of us would never get to learn.
 
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