PS3 price Increase......

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The Sony Alpha DSLR-A100 is Popular Photography & Imaging's Camera of the Year for 2006. Sony bought Konica/Minolta
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damn i was in the market for a new camera..thanks man

I wanted a Canon Rebel but they are WAAAAAAAY expensive
 
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GO GUNNERS
 
Im_Too_Cool said:
plz...EA will be making Madden for PS3 so i wouldnt even worry that much. they need sony
Trust me, EA don't need Sony...or Microsoft. They put out too much shit on every platform.
 
matt357 said:
who gives two shits and a cupcake about EA...its not like they have much I play anyway..I still to this day play ESPN NFL 2K5..madden sucks and also the ONLY other game i care about in their stable is Battlefield...


Sadly enough alot of folks don't think like this. They will buy Madden regardless of what EA does. I still play 2k too.

EA has people brainwashed. So I kinda hate to say it, but if EA doesnt support the PS3, it will severly hurt that system.
 
trekei said:
Yo Freaky1 Please co sign for me. Didnt mafuckas call me a liar for this shit. Props Illest , I gave that news live and direct cause i was watching cnbc as it aired. Mad Sony people said i made the shit up.
Yeah you did man, and I am trippin' on that. Now us XBOX players are going to be stuck with EA's crappy games.
 
Mybeatsandrhymes said:
Sadly enough alot of folks don't think like this. They will buy Madden regardless of what EA does. I still play 2k too.

EA has people brainwashed. So I kinda hate to say it, but if EA doesnt support the PS3, it will severly hurt that system.
I don't fuck with EA either, except for need for speed and ubisoft games. Other than that fuck em. But t it is safe to assume that most people regard EA games as PS games, so if there are no games coming out for it then something is wrong and it won't help the PS3 sell more here. I like the fact that there are so many other options than playing EA games, so I could care less.
 
Profit said:
Shit is true. No Madden on Dreamcast is a big reason it vanished when PS2 came out. PS2 honestly wasnt much better than Dreamcast. Millions of people bought a PS2 only to play Madden and then later got other games.


but the dreamcast did had something of a effect of a water cooler builtin and it was able to play bootleg games without any romchip added and plus was able to play vcd movies and it had a custom bootup dashboard. One more thing, okay two more things and you could also do Virtual Tunnels over TCP/IP network to your pc and go online plus it had a built in modem thee first one's to be able to do so. You couldn't do none of these thing w/ps2 without buying a modchip and you couldn't go online w/o buying a Ps2 network adaptor (Ethernet/modem). Don't even get me started about the ps3 is an overpriced piece of shit! Oh btw blue ray isn't new it old ass 10yrs or so mpeg2 technology and no i'm am not talking about their 50gb crappy compression storage. :angry:

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Sony NDA prohibits developers opinions


How do you keep game developers from saying negative things about Sony's PlayStation 3? Well, if you are Sony Europe, you keep them from saying anything at all. Eurogamer, has reported that SCEE has decided to include a 'no comment' clause into their Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDA's), essentially barring any Sony Developer from expressing an opinion on the details of the European PS3 launch. When Eurogamer asked for comment about the recently announced launch, developers said only the following;

"As a registered PS3 Developer we cannot discuss or comment on the PS3 from a development angle because of our contractual commitments with Sony," said Paul Jobling marketing director at Eutechnyx. "However, you can say that we are very excited about the launch of the PS3 and wish it every success!"

"We'd love to give you a little comment on this but could I please direct you to... SCEE," said Nina Kristensen, chief of development at Ninja Theory. "As [Heavenly Sword] is a PS3 exclusive, in this context our PS3 comments really also need to go through [SCEE]."​
Also from the article:

"Criterion Studios, the EA-owned developer of the Burnout series, also admitted it was bound by the same gagging order as everyone else when asked to comment about the PlayStation 3."

""I'd really like to help you, but the NDA's do indeed bind us too," said Philip Oliver, CEO of Blitz Games."

Now, a NDA is nothing new, and can be considered an everyday occurrence in the video game industry. The only difference here, is that most Non-Disclosure Agreements usually prohibit talk of proprietary technology, intellectually property and marketing strategy, very few prohibit your opinion.

What does all this mean? Well, it means that Sony is not going to let anyone steal their thunder this time around. With first party developers in the UK essentially silenced, Sony has affectively put a lid on any negative statements that could come to light and hurt their European launch. Although developers are allowed to acknowledge that the launch exists and, per Sony, can be "very excited" about it, they are, by terms of the NDA, effectively gagged from opinioning about anything else (release date, price, etc).

This may seem like good business sense until you realize that, while no one can say anything bad about the PS3, no one is allowed to say anything good about it, either. At least not without Sony's permission.


 
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Gemini said:
Sony NDA prohibits developers opinions


How do you keep game developers from saying negative things about Sony's PlayStation 3? Well, if you are Sony Europe, you keep them from saying anything at all. Eurogamer, has reported that SCEE has decided to include a 'no comment' clause into their Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDA's), essentially barring any Sony Developer from expressing an opinion on the details of the European PS3 launch. When Eurogamer asked for comment about the recently announced launch, developers said only the following;

"As a registered PS3 Developer we cannot discuss or comment on the PS3 from a development angle because of our contractual commitments with Sony," said Paul Jobling marketing director at Eutechnyx. "However, you can say that we are very excited about the launch of the PS3 and wish it every success!"

"We'd love to give you a little comment on this but could I please direct you to... SCEE," said Nina Kristensen, chief of development at Ninja Theory. "As [Heavenly Sword] is a PS3 exclusive, in this context our PS3 comments really also need to go through [SCEE]."​
Also from the article:

"Criterion Studios, the EA-owned developer of the Burnout series, also admitted it was bound by the same gagging order as everyone else when asked to comment about the PlayStation 3."

""I'd really like to help you, but the NDA's do indeed bind us too," said Philip Oliver, CEO of Blitz Games."

Now, a NDA is nothing new, and can be considered an everyday occurrence in the video game industry. The only difference here, is that most Non-Disclosure Agreements usually prohibit talk of proprietary technology, intellectually property and marketing strategy, very few prohibit your opinion.

What does all this mean? Well, it means that Sony is not going to let anyone steal their thunder this time around. With first party developers in the UK essentially silenced, Sony has affectively put a lid on any negative statements that could come to light and hurt their European launch. Although developers are allowed to acknowledge that the launch exists and, per Sony, can be "very excited" about it, they are, by terms of the NDA, effectively gagged from opinioning about anything else (release date, price, etc).

This may seem like good business sense until you realize that, while no one can say anything bad about the PS3, no one is allowed to say anything good about it, either. At least not without Sony's permission.


So in other words.........

How do you feel about developing games on the PS3?

Dev: "I would tell you, but Sony said the would kill my family if I did so."

Sony is a bunch of assholes. I can't see why people support them so hard.
 
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want a free xbox360? go here..must be a good offer if they advertising this scam on television LOL

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Sony increases PS3 price

Too cheap

By Nick Farrell: Monday 29 January 2007, 09:16
ENTERTAINMENT GEAR gear maker Sony has decided that the reason that its PS3 is not selling as well in Canada as it likes is because the most expensive console on the market is too cheap.

According to hereGamersReports Sony has upped the price for the PS3 in Canada by $40 dollars. The new price is Canadian $699.99. Both Best Buy and Futureshop have the console listed at the new price, the old list used to be $659.99.

The move brings Canada into line with what the US charges for the machine, although local users are fuming. It seems that it is just yet another PR own goal by Sony in the PS3 saga which has seen shortages, high prices and a badly managed launch. µ


on the next iterations of the PSP and Xbox 360 continued last week, and have been promptly disposed of into the Monday morning gaming round-up.

Xbox 360
Windows 'expert' and peddler of all things Microsoft, Paul Thurrott, recently confirmed the possibility of an updated Xbox 360 console, specifically for the recently announced IPTV additions.

In a new edition of 'Windows Weekly', Paul says that a new version of the Xbox 360 will be coming in late 2007 and that only the new 360 will have the ability to use IPTV.

In addition to a new Xbox, he also states a larger hard-drive is expected to be released - a rumour that has been doing the rounds for some time, and very likely considering the demands of the Xbox Video Marketplace plus any storage requirements for an IPTV service (albeit it could be argued little space would be needed for streamed IPTV).

This fits nicely with our report on the leaked shots of a 360 which comes fitted with a HDMI output.

While Microsoft has tried to play-down the images, the company has admitted that the HDMI-equipped console did exist in prototype form within experimental labs.

It's quite possible that providers of streamed IPTV in SD or HD form, would demand a HDCP-enabled HDMI connection, for copyright protection reasons.

In other Xbox news, the HD-DVD player add-on for the 360 has sold nearly 100,000 units in the US according to figures released by NPD Group. A considerable shipment amount, for the emerging high-def market.

Worse news come from the release of new Call of Duty 3 maps on Xbox Live. The maps didn't work, and were soon pulled by Microsoft.

Sources have revealed to 1up.com that the previous capping of Xbox Live Arcade titles at 50MB has been raised to 250MB to accommodate publishers demands. No news on an updated memory pack for Core users though.

PS3/PSP
PSP2 rumours have again surfaced with the publishing of alleged specs for the new handheld console, along with some interesting images of the new device.

Unfortunately the 'photos' are very likely to be amateur 3D-studio/photo-shop mock ups, but the specs make good reading, including the integration of 8GB flash memory. The device is allegedly codenamed 'Cobalt'.

Sony was quick to dismiss the rumours, and spoke to CVG directly stating that "There is no PSP2". Don't spoil our fun.

More on sales figures this week as it came to light that Sony may miss sales targets of the PS3 by as much as 25%.

Analyst Nomura Securities lowered its estimates for the year ending March 2007 from 6 million units to 4.5 million. March 2007 though to March 2008 Nomura predicts a reduction in sales from 16 million to 10 million, and then the following year, ending March 2009, from 18 million to 11 million units.

Sony finally reached the 2 million mark of shipped PS3s this week - but 2 weeks later than promised, when 2 million was quoted to have been delivered by the end of 2006. Not good reading for Sony.

The 60GB PS3 will almost certainly ship for the previously rumoured price of ÂŁ425 confirms Gamesindustry.biz. The 20GB is unlikely to feature on launch.

It's expected that the console will sell for 599 Euros on mainland Europe. ÂŁ425 translates to around 647 Euros.

Sony dismissed reports that the console will launch in April, and is still on track for the expected March 23rd launch date.

Fortunately we should be alright for stock on launch, considering reports of over half of US stores having PS3s in plentiful stock, something unheard of so shortly after a console launch. Infoworld backs this up claiming the PS3 has had the worst week of sales since launch.

Gizmodo reports that AVSForum discussions have mounted rumours of problems with the warranty of the PS3 if third party cables are used. This coupled with the misleading MotorStorm resolution discussion at Arstechnica and the shipping figures above, ensure Sony has had another poor week in the media.
Wii/DS
While the Sony PS3 has struggled with sales, the Nintendo Wii has had no such trouble.

According to statistics released by Enterbrain, the Wii has outsold the PS3 two-to-one in Japan. The figures quoted Nintendo sold 989,118 units in Japan since the Wii launched on Decemeber 2nd, whilst Sony sold 466,716 PlayStation 3 consoles since November 11th.

This makes good reading for Nintendo, along with the news that you can lose weight by playing Wii Sports. It's official. Kinda. Check the experiment and results out here.

Worse news comes from a hack that has allowed the dumping of Wii discs, to allow the replication of Wii ISOs, so this forum thread purports. No way to play them back, yet.

If you still can't get a Wii, try hacking a NES into an, erm, NES controller - seen here. Or not.

Or maybe you'd like to play Starfox - on the PC via a Freespace add-on, 1up reports.
PC
World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade was released this week, to the usual fanfare and huge sales. You can watch the video of a level-70 go-getter via 1up.

Research firm NPD reports that WoW topped the retail charts last year and sold almost one million copies. But Sims 2 and its related expansions dominate the year's top sellers list.

Hot new from Blizzard on a new StarCraft seems to be gaining momentum, with 1up and pro-g both reporting whispers from the company regarding a new game.
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ms better worry about their expensive ass OS


Vista for home computers to make overdue debut

SAN FRANCISCO, (AFP) - Windows Vista for home computers will make its debut on Tuesday, with Microsoft grandly launching an operating system that took five years and six billion dollars to ready for the world.
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Microsoft has heralded its long-awaited and oft-delayed Vista as its most sophisticated, secure and intuitive operating system since Windows was first rolled out to challenge Apple's
Macintosh software in 1985.

Reviews of Vista, which was put through extensive testing by computer makers and software developers, show it is packed with features that bring it up to date but break little new ground.

"I don't think it will change fundamentally what people do with computers or what they are capable of doing," said Rob Helm, research director at Directions on Microsoft.

"There is nothing Vista is going to blow the doors off of."

Helm and other industry analysts agreed that Vista was an appealing upgrade to its predecessor,
Windows XP, that people would gradually shift with new computer purchases and software upgrades.

"There is no reason to avoid it," Helm said. "But it is not going to make you necessarily hunt down a new personal computer."

Microsoft began selling business versions of Vista and Office 2007 in November. The Redmond, Washington, software colossus will launch editions tailored for homes worldwide on Tuesday.

The top-end Vista Ultimate was priced at 399 dollars for the full package and 259 dollars as an upgrade to Windows.

A Home Premium version was priced at 239 dollars new and 159 dollars as an upgrade, while a stripped-down "basic" Vista will cost 199 complete or 99.95 dollars as an upgrade.

A low-budget Windows Vista Starter edition for "first-time PC users" will be sold exclusively in developing countries.

People rarely buy and install entire operating systems, tending instead to have them pre-installed on computers and then upgrading over time to meet performance needs, according to analysts.

The cost of premium Vista software is likely to result in computer makers raising prices, according to Gartner Research vice president Michael Silver.

"People often don't know how much it costs them because it's buried in the price of the PC (personal computer)," Silver told AFP. "You will see more venders selling higher-priced machines than before."

Vista Basic will be "only in the cheapest of the cheap PCs" in developed countries, according to Silver.

An operating system shift and a bump in PC prices could prompt people to consider switching to Macintosh computers, which have gained in popularity due to a "halo effect" from Apple's popular iPod MP3 players.

"It makes the Mac more attractive," said analyst Mike Cherry of Directions On Microsoft. "When people leave an Apple Store, they are like a kid at Christmas that can't wait to open his gifts."

"When they leave a store with Windows, they leave with buyers' remorse."

While some US electronics stores plan to be open at midnight on Monday to begin selling Vista, analysts didn't expect them to see many shoppers.

"I don't see people running out to buy this," Cherry said of Vista.

"I think Windows will continue selling at the same rate it has been selling. When someone needs a new machine, they will buy it and they will buy it with Vista."

Analysts said it was important to bear in mind that Microsoft's operating system had sales rates and market share that were enviable and that the world's largest software company was judged in the context of tremendous expectations.

In keeping with the history of Windows, it was expected that flaws or vulnerabilities would be exposed in Vista after its release and that Microsoft would wind up refining the software.

To capitalize on Vista's full potential, computers will require enhanced memory and the latest graphics cards.

"After five years, Vista is not what it is supposed to be," Silver said. "But, it is a good incremental upgrade. Vista is very evolutionary."

The pressure is on Microsoft to more frequently upgrade its operating system to keep pace with Internet technologies and its Cupertino, California, competitor, according to analysts.



ms just says we'll sell the 360 at basemnet prices and make them get vista and make up the dfference :rolleyes:

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Should you buy it now? Here's what the new Microsoft operating system has and why you may want to wait

sf chronicle

At long last, Windows Vista, the first new operating system from Microsoft Corp. in five years, arrives on store shelves and in new computers Tuesday.

Vista comes with high expectations and generally positive reviews. Microsoft boasts that it has managed to tighten security, increase parental controls, make media -- from photos to videos to songs to cable television -- easier to use and share, and linked everything even more tightly to the Internet.

Concurrent with Vista is a revamp of Microsoft's other signature product, Microsoft Office, the set of software that includes Microsoft Word, Excel, Outlook and PowerPoint. Office gets a radical overhaul as well, and many people will need hours of training to get used to the upgraded software in Office 2007.

The two products represent "the biggest launch we've had in the history of the company," said Justin Hutchinson, group product manager for Microsoft's Windows Vista team.

Hutchinson positively gushes over many of the system's features. Key features include:

Security: "Vista is safer and more secure," he said. "It is the safest and most secure version of Windows we've shipped."

Search: "It's just easier to find stuff" on Vista, he said. Instead of hunting through folders, "I no longer open that stuff up. I type in a search term and Vista searches across files and applications."

Parental controls: "I can control how often my kid uses the PC. If I choose to, I can monitor where he goes and what he does. I can set hours where he can log on and where he can't log on. I can tell him to visit only certain Web sites."

Gaming: Vista will feature improved graphics that will make PC gaming comparable to console games, and for the first time, PC gamers will be able to compete against console players in the same game when they're using Microsoft's new Xbox 360.

The new platform does a better job of organizing and opening games, helping players to get going faster. The system also includes DirectX 10, a software interface that improves the cooperation between a computer's graphics card and the central processing unit. That, in turn, creates more vivid visuals -- everything from more intricate terrains, textures and shadows to more objects and sophisticated animation.

Media: With Vista, Microsoft recognizes that people want to move photos, music and video files from their PC to other devices, including televisions and home entertainment systems. "We just make it easier to do all the big things people want to do in their home," Hutchinson said.

In addition, with a new feature called Windows Aero, Vista puts a more beautiful face on computing. Users can put "gadgets" like photos, a clock or news feeds right on their desktop and can easily navigate between programs. "It's going to change how millions and millions of people use the PC and how they play," Hutchinson said.

These changes didn't come cheaply. Hutchinson said 5 million beta testers put in close to 60 years' worth of hours before the product's release.

Experts are now debating how soon consumers should buy Vista, with some saying it's a marked improvement and ready to go, while others advise waiting. Still others advise skipping it altogether and going with a computer from rival Apple Inc. instead. Consensus has emerged, however, that people who do buy it will be better off getting it preinstalled on a new PC rather than trying to upgrade a Windows XP machine. Installing a new operating system can be a major headache.

"If you do it on an existing PC, you have to be careful," said Michael Silver, vice president of research at market research firm Gartner Inc. "Will all of your applications run? Will all of your devices work? Do you have enough horsepower to run Vista and get the benefit of the new user interface?"

Vista's most basic upgrade will sell for $99.95, although the home premium version will sell as an upgrade for $159. The two versions, when sold with new PCs, will go for $199 and $239, respectively, and business versions start at $199 for an upgrade and go up to $399 for the "ultimate" edition.

An upgrade, said Denny Arar, a senior editor at PC World magazine, "can be expensive. It can be problematic. ... If there's a new computer in your future, wait for that."

While a new PC with Vista could cost as little as $599, high-end users may find it worth their while to pay as much as $4,000 or more for PCs with four processors, 30-inch monitors and high-definition capabilities, said Patrick Moorhead, vice president of advanced marketing for Advanced Micro Devices, which is making chips for Vista machines. (Intel Corp., long Microsoft's partner, is also powering Vista PCs.)

Moorhead advised people to buy PCs with at least dual-core processors and get an ATI or Nvidia graphics card installed to take advantage of all that Vista offers. "The better the hardware you get, the better the experience you'll have," he said.

Some critics say that the headaches and costs are not worth it, at least in the short run. "It remains to me an uncompelling product," said Christopher Null of San Francisco, who writes the Working Guy blog on Yahoo Tech at tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null. "It's got pretty bells and whistles and new features, but for the average user, it's not something to spend money on. Not today."

Among Null's major complaints are that Microsoft's increased emphasis on security has created a lot of new interference in routine tasks. "You're clicking unnecessarily on a lot of 'Are you sure you want to do this?' prompts," he said.

In addition, many old software programs won't work on Vista.

My own experience supports those arguments. Microsoft loaned me a laptop with Vista loaded on it. I wanted to write this story on that machine, but when I tried to load Citrix, the software that supports The Chronicle's production system, I found that it was not ready for Vista. I was able to get a version that seemed to get things moving along, but then found that the new Internet Explorer 7 that came with Vista did not support the Java applet needed. Frustrated with the challenge of downloading all the pieces, I gave up.

Similarly, when I uploaded a video to YouTube, I was incessantly warned that the site was trying to gain access to my PC. I was unable to check the box turning off the warning and had to click at least 20 times to get to the video I wanted to upload.

I will also concur with Null's assertion that many of the features in Vista are already available for Windows XP from other software vendors. For instance, I use Picasa to manage my photos, a free download from Google; in addition, I use Google Desktop to search my PC. Null said these are superior to Vista's features. In the search, for instance, Vista will look only at file names, while Google Desktop will search the file contents as well.

That's not to say I'm completely down on Vista. I frequently use the Alt-Tab function to get from one program to another, and while that is completely pedestrian on Windows XP, it is wonderfully rendered in Vista. I also like a lot of the little things, such as how the screens have a transparent pane that allows me to see behind them.

And the security is improved. Microsoft had long been criticized for making software that is easy to hack, so it's hard to fault it for tightening things up, especially as online scammers are getting more sophisticated. "I don't envy Microsoft there," said PC World's Arar. "You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. ... The minute you want to start installing software, you get a lot of prompts, and that can be very annoying. ... On the other hand, we live in a world where there are a lot of Web sites that try to download malicious software onto your computer."

One tech consultant has been completely turned off by Vista. Lee Rodrigues, chief executive of Ethotec, a San Francisco IT consulting and training company, said Vista seems to be built atop Windows XP, and its new features have been ripped off from Apple's OSX operating system.

"We all know that Microsoft has been copying Macintosh since 1984," he said. "It looks like it, it acts like it, but it's not as good. Vista is the worst example of this I've ever seen."

He was particularly offended that Microsoft took a popular feature from Apple -- its "widgets" -- and barely disguised it when it renamed the feature "gadgets" in Vista. Although Ethotec was a Microsoft partner, Rodrigues is backing out of that relationship and advising clients to buy Macs. Apple has a new operating system due out later this year.

Despite the criticism, Microsoft's market dominance almost assures that Vista will be a big launch, and the system will wind up on millions of machines before the year is out.

"It's going to be fun to see this delivered to hundreds of millions of people around the world," Microsoft's Hutchinson said. After more than two years of work, he said, "It's like Christmas Eve for us."
Vista's visual highlights

Flip screens: Among the additions to Windows Vista are new ways to look at what windows are open. Instead of seeing simple icons, users who hit the Windows and Tab keys together will get a real-time snapshot of the open windows and programs, beautifully laid out and easy to flip through. This will look familiar to Apple users, but it's new for Microsoft.

Parental controls: Vista comes not only with improved security, but also with easier ways for parents to decide how they want their children to use the computer. Parents can limit access to certain Web sites, limit the time they spend on the computer and the applications they use.

Photo management: With more people using digital cameras than ever, Microsoft has built photo management software into Vista, making it easier to share and fix photos, burn them to CDs, and give them "tags" or labels that make them easier to find later on. Vista also includes similar features for videos and music.\


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Xbox Love not equal to Microsoft Love?

[size=+2]Love It or Hate It, Sony's Latest Stokes Passions[/size]
[size=-1]By Mike Musgrove
Thursday, January 4, 2007; D01
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Mauricio Soto and Arne Fleisher have love-hate relationships with Sony Electronics. Soto loves the company. Fleisher hates it.

For gadget lovers, a certain reverence for Sony used to be an instinctive thing that dated to the Walkman or the original PlayStation.

But these days, the consumer-electronics giant is struggling with its image as new game fans line up to play the Nintendo Wii or dis the PlayStation 3's graphics for not having as much punch as such recent Xbox 360 offerings as Gears of War. Remember those $2,700 eBay auctions for the PS3 when it first came out, just before Thanksgiving? They've since cooled off, and now it's easy to find one on Craigslist for near list price.

Listen to Sony's die-hard fans and there's an overwhelming belief that Sony is always on the cutting edge of technology. Nobody makes a laptop as small or flashy as the Vaio. Nobody makes a mobile device quite as slick or versatile as the PlayStation Portable. And the PS3 is already being called the best device on the market by Sony lovers -- mostly because it's the gaming console that plays all the games they liked on the PS2 and the original PlayStation.

Soto is about as die-hard as they come. He sold his Xbox 360 to pay for a PlayStation 3 back in November. He also has a PlayStation Portable, a Sony laptop, a Sony handheld computer and two Sony cameras. His car stereo system is all Sony, as is the home theater system that plugs into one of the four Sony televisions in his Potomac townhouse.

I met Soto in November, when I was writing about the craziness surrounding the launch of the PS3. He was camped out at the head of a line at Best Buy in Rockville, waiting for the new game console to go on sale. When I asked what he was thinking, spending his time out in the cold and rain to get the $600 device, his answer boiled down to this: "It's Sony."

"I'm confident in their products," he said this week. "I always look at Sony first -- they're always coming up with new ways to stay ahead of the game, new ways to stay ahead of the market."

He makes an exception for the MiniDisc, an audio format that Sony pushed but that never caught on. Soto owns two MiniDisc players.

This is what Sony love looks like.

By comparison, Sony haters say the company's products are too expensive. They criticize as annoying its habit of relying on pricey proprietary formats, such as the Memory Stick -- convenient if you already own a bunch of Sony products, somewhat useless if you don't. And what's more, the rep goes, the company doesn't provide good product support.

Arne Fleisher used to be a big-time Sony fan. He had admired the company since he was a kid and had a Walkman cassette player. As an adult, he has owned Sony cellphones, cordless phones, laptops, a VCR or two -- and, yes, even one of those MiniDisc players.

The falling out didn't happen at once. There were plenty of bumps in the road that he sees now only in retrospect: gadgets that didn't work right, support issues and so on. But his Sony hatred didn't kick in until 91 days after he bought a PlayStation 2 back in 2000, when the system launched.

Day 91 was when Fleisher's PlayStation 2 died -- one day after the warranty expired. The company told him it would cost $150 and take four to six months to repair the device. Annoyed, Fleisher passed on the company's offer and sold the unit.

This was the beginning of what he calls the "Sony, you're on life support and I don't need you" phase of his relationship with the company.

Years later, when his four-year-old Xbox started failing him, he placed a call to Microsoft. Two days later, a new unit landed on his doorstep -- even though the old system's warranty had long since expired.

This sent him into the "Sony, you're dead to me" phase. He has avoided the company's products ever since.

I loaned the PS3 to Fleisher last month, curious to see if he'd have a change of heart. Would the thing bring a former Sony fan back into the fold, or would it give him more reason to dislike the consumer-electronics giant?

"I figured I was going to be in a conundrum, that I made this boycott," he said. "I was positive that I was going to have to eat my own words."

Somewhat to his relief, the system ended up giving him pretty much no temptation to reach for his wallet. The games were okay, he said, but nothing great. Compared with the Xbox 360, the online offerings for the PS3 are weak and confusing, he said. One of his favorite parts of the Xbox 360 experience is going online to play with friends, but the PS3 doesn't offer this as a prominent feature.

It's not hard to see why game fans might become partisans for the consoles they play on. You're a lot better off, fun-wise, if your friends buy the same system you get so you can all play online together. And with the high-end Xbox costing $400 and the high-end PS3 costing $600, it has become too expensive for most gaming fans to pick up both machines.

Here's the funny part, though: Xbox love doesn't translate to Microsoft love. That is to say, Xbox owners love their Xboxes but many would rather ignore the fact that the product comes from Microsoft, a company that has often had image problems among techies of the world.

Fleisher, for example, wishes that the company's game-console team ran Microsoft, not the other way around. Or that the Xbox team had nothing to do with the software company.

"I always say Xbox," he said, "because I don't like to associate it with Microsoft."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/03/AR2007010301893_pf.html

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Rocky Miavia said:
Trust me, EA don't need Sony...or Microsoft. They put out too much shit on every platform.

Don't you think you contradict yourself? Every developer needs a console to make games for don't they? Exactly like you said, they put too much on every system, so obviously the systems need to be in place. You can argue that since EA has historically whored themself onto every platform, they wouldn't survive if they suddenly cut off their arms.
 
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