Private Vs Public

[DeSiRe]

theres a whole bunch of people up in arms about a public option for healthcare

scared about what is going to happen to the private sector of the industry...or if a public option would send the entire industry to hell in a handbasket

the reality is we have private/public options right now
schools
transportation
sending packages
banks
...just to name a few

none of these industries have collapsed, sent us into economic turmoil, or infringed on any of our rights due the addition of a public option....so why would healthcare?

never really heard this brought up in any debates and i was wondering to get yalls take on it

 

[Rudey]

Public school is a mess.You know where the good public school are,places where they practically kill you with high taxes.

 

[QueEx]

Public school is a mess.You know where the good public school are,places where they practically kill you with high taxes.

Show the proof. Post a link to evidence which proves this point.

IMO, money, vel non (alone), is NOT the determining factor in getting a good education.

QueEx

 

[Cruise]

Private schools are better than public (taxpayer-financed waste).
Public transportation (outside of New York) is a waste and a mess.
The United States Postal Service is seeing all-time operating losses and tries its best to restrict competition (it's still illegal for private companies to handle the mail).

And, banks are basically a monopoly in this country (since 1980).

Now, the government wants to add health-care to its long history of FAIL.

That's a real recipe for success.

 

[DeSiRe]

Public school is a mess.You know where the good public school are,places where they practically kill you with high taxes.

been to 7 public schools and 3 private schools before graduating hs...on top of that 2 different public universities

seen good and bad

just cause there are a few bad apples does it mean the system failed?

 

[BigUnc]

I think of all the examples you mentioned only education is analogous to the healthcare debate. Why, it's because public education is the only one in which if you have children in private school you still have to pay into a public system you don't use.All the others people use on a daily basis so they shouldn't have a complaint.

With the government at all levels having a demonstrated history of mismanagement of public resources the concerns that the public option healthcare proposal will fall into the same history is justified IMO and need to be addressed.

With 5 different bills percolating through the House and Senate the debate is confusing and blurry as to exactly what is being proposed. This is probably the main reason why people are up in arms along with the bills leaving alot of room for mis interpretation because of a lack of leadership on the part of the Dem leadership including the President.Put all this together with those on both sides threading a fine line between aggressive advocacy and fear mongering and we have the situation as it stands today.


BigUnc

 

[DeSiRe]

I think of all the examples you mentioned only education is analogous to the healthcare debate. Why, it's because public education is the only one in which if you have children in private school you still have to pay into a public system you don't use.All the others people use on a daily basis so they houldn't have a complaint.

With the government at all levels having a demonstrated history of mismanagement of public resources the concerns that the public option healthcare proposal will fall into the same history is justified IMO and need to be addressed.

With 5 different bills percolating through the House and Senate the debate is confusing and blurry as to exactly what is being proposed. This is probably the main reason why people are up in arms along with the bills leaving alot of room for mis interpretation because of a lack of leadership on the part of the Dem leadership including the President.Put all this together with those on both sides threading a fine line between aggressive advocacy and fear mongering and we have the situation as it stands today.


BigUnc

mismanagement is a valid concern

as people are so passionate about these issues they need to start holding thier representatives accountable and demand more oversight and accountability (somewhat ironic coming from republicans)

theres alot of propaganda floating around about this....alot of people are regurgitating talking points written by pharmaceutical lobbyists...comparing apples to oranges (socialized healthcare with no option vs public option with private options)...again talking points from lobbyists

 

[SPECTRE1]

I don't like politicians taking a public choice away for getting health care. Forcing private only choices is being a Nazi and has nothing to do with democratic freedom. Any idiot through privatization can reduce pay/benefits for workers (hurting the middle class) and raise prices.

They keep slamming Medicare, Social Security on these right wing shows. These programs should have never been funded with payroll taxes since the wealthy are kicking out a small percentage. The money should be funded with an income tax.

These programs were working when the number of people working was significantly greater than the people receiving benefits. They should work on reforming these programs to ensure proper funding next. If a private company was unable to raise prices, they would be insolvent also.

 

[BigUnc]

mismanagement is a valid concern

as people are so passionate about these issues they need to start holding thier representatives accountable and demand more oversight and accountability (somewhat ironic coming from republicans)

theres alot of propaganda floating around about this....alot of people are regurgitating talking points written by pharmaceutical lobbyists...comparing apples to oranges (socialized healthcare with no option vs public option with private options)...again talking points from lobbyists

I agree that oversight will be vital in particular if the public option becomes law. The government will have to prove it can responsibly administer the program. I don't have much hope that the public will hold politicians feet to the fire. Another issue(s) will come up to take the publics eye off of healthcare.

Propaganda,misrepresentations and distortions are par for the course in politics. I just try to ask probing questions that don't leave too much wiggle room.

 

[thoughtone]

theres a whole bunch of people up in arms about a public option for healthcare

scared about what is going to happen to the private sector of the industry...or if a public option would send the entire industry to hell in a handbasket

the reality is we have private/public options right now
schools
transportation
sending packages
banks
...just to name a few

none of these industries have collapsed, sent us into economic turmoil, or infringed on any of our rights due the addition of a public option....so why would healthcare?

never really heard this brought up in any debates and i was wondering to get yalls take on it

scared about what is going to happen to the private sector of the industry...or if a public option would send the entire industry to hell in a handbasket

They should be scare if you work in businesses that has been gouging people for years. In America, if a service or business is not serving the public efficiently then, they deserved to be out of business. Bottom line, there is nothing in the constitution that guarantees that a segment of industry has to exist.

the reality is we have private/public options right now
schools
transportation
sending packages
banks
...just to name a few

none of these industries have collapsed, sent us into economic turmoil, or infringed on any of our rights due the addition of a public option....so why would healthcare?

In the immortal words of Massachusetts congressman Barney Frank, “what planet do you dwell on?’

Have you forgotten about last yeas near total economic collapse? I know political amnesia is a mutherfucker, but, hello! And still banks and businesses are failing as we speak. The economy is being held together by a thread thanks to massive government borrowing.

never really heard this brought up in any debates and i was wondering to get yalls take on it

The ultimate question is, is the economy here for the people or are the people here for the economy?

With such an essential service such as health care, is the capitalist business paradigm of supply and demand, bottom line profit, correct for delivering these services? If your house is burning down, do you have the time or the inclination to bargain with 2, 3 or 4 fire departments for the best rates for putting out the fire? When you need a life saving medical procedure, can the so called ‘free market’ service you, when insurance companies reject you due to being too much of a risk or charge you astronomical fees? Answer these questions!