Prime Vick or Prime Newton?

[godofwine]

Nigga it's a comp. Vick was that nigga in his prime and he had a hell of an arm too not just runnin

If you look at the stats while Michael Vick was in Atlanta, and even in Philly, Mike Vick was in every other year quarterback. He would follow a great year with a subpar year and follow the sub par year with a good to great year. Check the stats. I would go with Cam Newton everyday of the week and on every Sunday

 

[jasonblacc]

BTW, no love for McNabb?

Mcnabb is underrated

 

[Gully]

Bad comparison. Both are great, in their primes, but Newton is more traditional and can play from the pocket better. Both have strong ass arms, but Newton has better touch. NFL has never seen and may not ever see anything like Vick, with his ability to run. Cam is the better qb, though. The better comparison is Cam and McNair.

 

[DWBass]

McNabb was good too. He just got old fast! Ran out of time.

 

[knightmelodic]

Cam hasn't really had enough seasons yet, that's been said. Vick did have a cannon, so does Cam. Vick had more of a downfield arm, Cam has a fastball. Besides their size I think the one thing that separates them is that Vick never really learned to read defenses. Smart D coordinators used to fool him all the time. And once he left the pocket he only thought run. Cam scrambles and looks downfield. But it's still early days with Cam. It will be interesting to see Denver's game plan for him.

 

[mexico]

There was never an athlete like Michael Vick at the quarterback position -- (maybe the strongest arm ever, fast as a defensive back)... until Cam Newton came along. Bigger, stronger, he assimilated to the complexities of the pro passing game better and more importantly he is more durable.

Cam Newton is doing everything Michael Vick was supposed to do when he came out of tech 15 years ago... revolutionize the game. Sadly, with Vick we only got glimpses.

 

[jasonblacc]

Let's not forget that it's way more of passing league than when Vick cam. Way easier to pass now, and Cams offense has catered to him were Vick was forced feed the West Coast offense.

 

[mexico]

Let's not forget that it's way more of passing league than when Vick cam. Way easier to pass now, and Cams offense has catered to him were Vick was forced feed the West Coast offense.

You're not wrong about the meat of your point. You could still mug receivers when Vick came in. That's why I don't like to throw out numbers and completion percentage, because he saw what he was capable of in Philly, but Atlanta constantly tried to cater that offense to Vick. I personally think Dan Reeves did it the best his first two years. I remember his first year as a starter he was leading the league in passer rating before his shoulders got banged up. But he wasn't force fed anything.

I remember Mora and Knapp started going to more spread option stuff before anyone had a real name for it. I remember -- I think it was '06 -- they opened the season in Carolina in a spread attack and ate the Panthers up with it.

Mike was just on some other shit at that time. He was more committed to the lifestyle than he was the game to make anything work.

 

[zenman]

Cam.....bigger/ more durable, more accurate and probably a smarter QB. Vick was faster, let me rephrase, the fastest with a stronger arm

 

[mrJR]

Some of y'all smoking that good... Vick never completed 60% of his passes until his 2nd year in Philly. Cam in his first 2 seasons surpassed the almighty HGH master Peyton Manning in passing yards. Vick was NEVER a consistent passer from the pocket except for 1 season in Philly. Cam is easily a better QB than Vick ever was, even the 1 great year he had in Philly.

 

[jasonblacc]

You're not wrong about the meat of your point. You could still mug receivers when Vick came in. That's why I don't like to throw out numbers and completion percentage, because he saw what he was capable of in Philly, but Atlanta constantly tried to cater that offense to Vick. I personally think Dan Reeves did it the best his first two years. I remember his first year as a starter he was leading the league in passer rating before his shoulders got banged up. But he wasn't force fed anything.

I remember Mora and Knapp started going to more spread option stuff before anyone had a real name for it. I remember -- I think it was '06 -- they opened the season in Carolina in a spread attack and ate the Panthers up with it.

Mike was just on some other shit at that time. He was more committed to the lifestyle than he was the game to make anything work.

I agree with the Dan Reeves point. But I disagree with Mora and Knapp.

 

[DirtyCake]

Let's not forget that it's way more of passing league than when Vick cam. Way easier to pass now, and Cams offense has catered to him were Vick was forced feed the West Coast offense.

Niggas don't know... Look at the poll this shit is way closer than 90% for cam....

 

[mexico]

I agree with the Dan Reeves point. But I disagree with Mora and Knapp.

Bruh, I could not stand Gregg Knapp as a playcaller, but I'm telling you, they constantly tinkered with that offense to help Vick. The traditional WCO is all based on precise footwork and timing. Quarterback's back foot hit, ball has to come out. When they saw Vick was going to keep doing his own thing they kept trying to change things up.

They leaned on the zone run, they started going to more spread with designed QB runs, naked boots, simpler reads. That IMO was all to his detriment. Mora coached like he was a fan. If they had force fed the offense to him, he would have been a lot more polished as a passer in Atlanta like he wound up being in Philly.

 

[kes1111]

 

[kes1111]

Year Team G GS Passing Rushing Sacked Fumbles
Att Comp Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg Att Yds Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
2001 ATL 8 2 113 50 44.2 785 6.9 2 3 62.7 31 289 9.3 1 21 113 6 5
2002 ATL 15 15 421 231 54.9 2,936 7.0 16 8 81.6 113 777 6.9 8 33 206 9 6
2003 ATL 5 4 100 50 50.0 585 5.9 4 3 69.0 40 255 6.4 1 9 64 4 1
2004 ATL 15 15 321 181 56.4 2,313 7.2 14 12 78.1 120 902 7.5 3 46 266 16 7
2005 ATL 15 15 387 214 55.3 2,412 6.2 15 13 73.1 102 597 5.9 6 33 201 11 5
2006 ATL 16 16 388 204 52.6 2,474 6.4 20 13 75.7 123 1,039 8.4 2 45 303 9 3
2007 — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
2008 — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
2009 PHL 12 1 13 6 46.2 86 6.6 1 0 93.8 24 95 4.0 2 0 0 0 0
2010 PHL 12 12 372 233 62.6 3,018 8.1 21 6 100.2 100 676 6.8 9 34 210 11 3
2011 PHL 13 13 423 253 59.8 3,303 7.8 18 14 84.9 76 589 7.8 1 23 126 7 2
2012 PHL 10 10 351 204 58.1 2,362 6.7 12 10 78.1 62 331 5.4 1 28 153 7 3
2013 PHL 7 6 141 77 54.6 1,215 8.6 5 3 86.5 36 306 8.5 2 15 99 4 2
2014 NYJ 10 3 121 64 52.9 604 5.0 3 2 68.3 26 153 5.9 0 19 85 5 2
2015 PIT 5 3 66 40 60.6 371 5.6 2 1 79.8 20 99 5.0 0 10 53 2 0
Total 143 109 3,217 1,807 56.2 22,464 7.0 133 88 80.4 873 6,109 7.0 36 316 1,879 98 43

Season Team GP GS Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT Rate Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2011 Carolina Panthers 16 16 310 517 60.0 4,051 21 17 84.5 126 706 5.6 49T 14 5 2
2012 Carolina Panthers 16 16 280 485 57.7 3,869 19 12 86.2 127 741 5.8 72T 8 10 3
2013 Carolina Panthers 16 16 292 473 61.7 3,379 24 13 88.8 111 585 5.3 56 6 3 1
2014 Carolina Panthers 14 14 262 448 58.5 3,127 18 12 82.1 103 539 5.2 22 5 12 5
2015 Carolina Panthers 16 16 296 495 59.8 3,837 35 10 99.4 132 636 4.8 47 10 5 4
Totals 78 78 1,440 2,418 59.6 18,263 117 64 88.3 599 3,207 5.4 72T 43 32 15

 

[Salty Nuts]

Cam all day

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Cam is cool

But Vick changed the game.

 

[Money Machine]

CAM. but if vick could read a blitz, and slide once in awhile, it would be vick

 

[bluemoon]

I can't believe this question was even brought up. Vick was not an innovator. Hell, Randall Cunningham was did more than Vick. You can never compare Michael Vick to Cam Newton!

 

[BlkStrength]

Vick led his teams to the playoffs 3 times I believe. Including a win in Green Bay and a NFC Championship game. Cam has Olsen, Vick had Crumpler. Vick never had the defense Cam has had. Vick always had a holey Oline. Vick would take over games. But Cam hasn't fully hit his prime yet.

 

[Complex]

I actually don't think we ever got a prime Vick