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Obama Closing Gap in Pennsylvania

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Hillary's lead in Pennsylvania has consistently been in the 12 point range.
According to the latest polling data, Obama has cut that lead to 6 points:
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Poll: PPP
Period: 03/31 - 04/01
Results: Clinton 43 - 45
Spread: Obama +2.0

Poll: Rasmussen
Period: 03/31 - 03/31
Results: Clinton 47 - Obama 42
Spread: Clinton +5.0

Poll: SurveyUSA
Period: 03/29 - 03/31
Results: Clinton 53 - Obama 41
Spread: Clinton +12.0

Poll: Quinnipiac
Period: 03/24 - 03/31
Results: Clinton 50 - Obama 41
Spread: Clinton +9.0

Poll Averages:

Real Clear Politics Average
Period: 03/24 - 04/01
Results: Clinton 48.3 - Obama 42.3
Spread: Clinton +6.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html
 
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Obama gaining on Clinton in Pennsylvania

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama continues to chip away at Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead in the crucial state of Pennsylvania, a new Quinnipiac poll out Tuesday showed.

Sen. Barack Obama appears to be closing the gap with Sen. Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania, polls say.

The New York senator's lead over Obama now stands at 6 points in the new poll, 50-44 percent.

That compares to the 9-point lead Clinton held in a similar survey released five days ago, and an 11-point lead in a Quinnipiac survey late last month.

Specifically, Clinton has lost ground among white voters and men: She now holds an 18-point lead among whites, down from a 25-point gap in last week's poll, and trails Obama by 4 points among males.

Last week, the two drew equal support from men.

But Clinton continues to remain strong with her core voting bloc of older voters and white women, and likely Pennsylvania Democratic voters rate her more favorably than Obama -- 71 percent for Clinton and 67 percent for Obama. Video Watch how the Keystone State could shake up presidential race »

The latest Quinnipiac poll and CNN's poll of polls released on Monday show Clinton's lead over Obama in Pennsylvania continues to shrink ahead of the state's April 22 primary.

Monday's polls, conducted March 26 through Saturday, showed Clinton holding a 7 percentage point lead over Obama -- 49 percent to 42 percent; 9 percent remained unsure.

That gap is 4 percentage points narrower than a similar CNN poll of polls conducted March 26 through Wednesday. In that average, Clinton led the senator from Illinois 51 percent to 40 percent. Nine percent also were unsure then.

-VG
 
when obama loses the presidential election by the biggest margin in u.s history black niggas still won't get it.

If he does lose, he would have given it a good run. He would have also done something beyond measure. Become the first African American to be the standard bearer for a major American political party. 2012 ain't that far away and we definitely have time on our side.

But, watch your tongue playboy. You got some terms about your conversation that make you appear to be a white racist. :hmm:

-VG
 
I believe he'll beat Hillary in Penn and NC thereby ending her campaign but I don't think he can beat McCain in the general. If he does I will be one shocked Black man.
 
I believe he'll beat Hillary in Penn and NC thereby ending her campaign but I don't think he can beat McCain in the general. If he does I will be one shocked Black man.

If the issue or race becomes the litmus test for a MAJORITY of voters in the fall, (I don't think they will be successful but) and they are willing to risk McCain's incompetence for the sake of some idiotic concept that white skin automatically = the ability to lead then yeah Obama will not win in the fall.

But McCain will have to debate Obama. If after losing every debate and America chooses McCain anyway, this nation will reap what it has sown.

Personally, if McCain does win, he won't last one term.

-VG
 
I think America is scared right now. I know street crime has me worried it's like everyday we hear something worse than the day before. The economy has people worried and so does Iraq and a host of other issues. In times like these alot of people want stability they are afraid of change I think stability and maturity will be big advantages for McCain.
 
I think America is scared right now. I know street crime has me worried it's like everyday we hear something worse than the day before. The economy has people worried and so does Iraq and a host of other issues. In times like these alot of people want stability they are afraid of change I think stability and maturity will be big advantages for McCain.

don't play that street crime card man. street crime is street crime. crime is a function of society. it's never gonna go away. why doesn't corporate crime scare you? they (corporate crooks) are the ones stealing the 'little guys' life savings. Mccain, as noble and as heroic as he is, is old as dirt. his ideas are old. his thought pattern is old. he's not bringing anything new to the table. If you don't want to vote for Obabma, that's fine. no big thing. Your vote, is your vote. However, what stability does John McCain bring? As long as he's been in public office, he still is weak on economic policy. Even he admits that. My question is, what has he been doing all this time? he didn't think economic policy was important enough to try and become a subject matter expert? And what. he's gonna take a crash course now? McCain has gaffed on the Sunni and Shiite thing at least 4 or 5 times. And he's a foriegn policy expert? he's not the answer my man.
 
don't play that street crime card man. street crime is street crime. crime is a function of society. it's never gonna go away. why doesn't corporate crime scare you? they (corporate crooks) are the ones stealing the 'little guys' life savings. Mccain, as noble and as heroic as he is, is old as dirt. his ideas are old. his thought pattern is old. he's not bringing anything new to the table. If you don't want to vote for Obabma, that's fine. no big thing. Your vote, is your vote. However, what stability does John McCain bring? As long as he's been in public office, he still is weak on economic policy. Even he admits that. My question is, what has he been doing all this time? he didn't think economic policy was important enough to try and become a subject matter expert? And what. he's gonna take a crash course now? McCain has gaffed on the Sunni and Shiite thing at least 4 or 5 times. And he's a foriegn policy expert? he's not the answer my man.

Street crime worries me because I have parents and children I can't be there to protect 24/7. I would hate to think what I would do if some punk did something to them. Street crime is also a sign of a decaying society not a product of society itself. Now corporate crime could be considered a product of corporate America. I don't think you can have one without the other. Anyway my point is there are several issues facing people today and stability will be big to a lot of them.

McCain maybe be old as dirt but if people envision him in the White House he becomes a elder statesman, a father figure with the power of the Oval Office. He may not be a expert on the economy but I pretty sure he will appoint some people who are and I sure he's wise enuff to listen to them. Personally I haven't made up my mind who I will vote for in the general but I am sure race will not be the determining factor.
 
What I am hoping for is Obama's coolness under fire and his ability to lead coupled with this nations need for REAL LEADERSHIP in a host of areas will be, IMHO what gets the Obama campaign though. Basically they are all in agreement that the situation in Iraq is stable for the most part as well as the political situation is seemingly working.

With that as a back drop on Iraq, Obama can concentrate much of attention on domestic issues, something McCain has little to no real handle on. At least he is unable to articulate how he plans to improve the nation using what is largely a Bush playbook. Shit didn't work when it was started, and it won't work going forward into 2009.

-VG
 
Obama seems like he makes up his own mind. He seems like he's flexible not a policy-slave like McCain and too many other pols.
 
Street crime worries me because I have parents and children I can't be there to protect 24/7. I would hate to think what I would do if some punk did something to them. Street crime is also a sign of a decaying society not a product of society itself. Now corporate crime could be considered a product of corporate America. I don't think you can have one without the other. Anyway my point is there are several issues facing people today and stability will be big to a lot of them.

McCain maybe be old as dirt but if people envision him in the White House he becomes a elder statesman, a father figure with the power of the Oval Office. He may not be a expert on the economy but I pretty sure he will appoint some people who are and I sure he's wise enuff to listen to them. Personally I haven't made up my mind who I will vote for in the general but I am sure race will not be the determining factor.

Who said anything about race? Only YOU! You guys amaze me. Not once did I mention race. and because I said something about Senator Obama, now it's a race thing. The point you just made about corporate crime was idiotic and an insult to one's intellect. Corporate crime is carried out by the rich. What logical reason would one have to steal 5 million dollars when you're net worth is somewhere around 100 million? That is stealing just for the sake of stealing. a poor person steals because they don't have. neither one is right but, I think you see my point. it's unfathomable to you that a person would vote for Obama because that person thinks he's the best candidate for the job. You vote for whomever you think is 'your guy'. that's your right. but come off the street crime shit. There's been street crime forever. always will be. Especially in a capitalistic society. Pick up a book. Read Karl Marx or Max Weber. Then come talk to me. Get a clue dude. Oh, and by the way, since you have parents, you should be scared of another Enron (you know, corporate crime). Your parents life savings could be squandered by some corporate giant. Do you know how many people lost their life savings in that bullshit? The housing crisis that is going on right now was a form of corporate crime. Mortgage companies giving loans to people that they knew couldn't afford them. no credit check mortgages? But, the Gov't bails them out and leaves millions of Americans to lose their homes. Only in America.
 
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Who said anything about race? Only YOU! You guys amaze me. Not once did I mention race. and because I said something about Senator Obama, now it's a race thing. The point you just made about corporate crime was idiotic and an insult to one's intellect. Corporate crime is carried out by the rich. What logical reason would one have to steal 5 million dollars when you're net worth is somewhere around 100 million? That is stealing just for the sake of stealing. a poor person steals because they don't have. neither one is right but, I think you see my point. it's unfathomable to you that a person would vote for Obama because that person thinks he's the best candidate for the job. You vote for whomever you think is 'your guy'. that's your right. but come off the street crime shit. There's been street crime forever. always will be. Especially in a capitalistic society. Pick up a book. Read Karl Marx or Max Weber. Then come talk to me. Get a clue dude. Oh, and by the way, since you have parents, you should be scared of another Enron (you know, corporate crime). Your parents life savings could be squandered by some corporate giant. Do you know how many people lost their life savings in that bullshit? The housing crisis that is going on right now was a form of corporate crime. Mortgage companies giving loans to people that they knew couldn't afford them. no credit check mortgages? But, the Gov't bails them out and leaves millions of Americans to lose their homes. Only in America.


Calm down...don't get excited...it's just a message board debate...lol
 
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Young Pennsylvania voters take a shine to Obama</font size>
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Reuters
By Paul Eckert
Sun Apr 20, 2008

PITTSBURGH (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is attracting record numbers of young voters -- but will a demographic known for low turnout vote in enough numbers to defeat Hillary Clinton in the graying state of Pennsylvania?

Attracted by opposition to the Iraq war, antipathy to President George W. Bush or Clinton -- and Obama's aura of "hope" -- Pennsylvanians in the 18-29 age bracket are rallying, registering and switching parties like never before.

At the University of Pittsburgh, a "power rally" by Pitt Students for Obama got 2,000 students to register as Democrats in order to vote for the senator. The state does not allow independents to vote in primary contests.

"There were a lot of independents and Republicans who support Senator Obama who had to switch their registration for Tuesday's primary," said Sarah Posner, 21, the group's leader.

Pennsylvania is the next battleground for Clinton and Obama in their contest for the right to face Republican John McCain in the November election.

The Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning & Engagement, or CIRCLE, which has tracked youth voting since the U.S. voting age was lowered to 18 in 1972, says this year has seen the highest national registration rate in history among those under 30.

Youth turnout in some state primaries this year tripled or even quadrupled over the previous presidential election, said CIRCLE Director Peter Levine.

Polls before Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary show Obama, an Illinois senator, has chipped away at Clinton's once double-digit lead. A Zogby poll issued on Friday showed Clinton, 61, a New York senator, led among Democratic voters older than 54. Obama, 46, led among young voters. Polls close in the state at 8 p.m. (0000 GMT, with results expected shortly after).

Pennsylvania, with 15.6 percent of its citizens over 65, is second only to retirement retreat Florida in the percentage of residents who are elderly. Among registered Democratic voters, 26 percent are under 34 and 38 percent are older than 55.

Posner said she embraced Obama for "a million reasons," including his opposition to the Iraq war, his willingness to conduct diplomacy with enemy states Bush has scorned and his refusal to take donations from lobbyists.

Chris Young, a 2008 college graduate who covers Pittsburgh for the alternative City Paper, describes "this kind of energy surrounding Obama and the race in general."

"I hate to harp on that idea of 'hope' but it's true, and I have the sense of hope with somebody like him, somebody who seems like he can bring he country together," he said.

Duquesne University senior Alexandra Nseir, 23, switched registration to Democrat from independent and then swapped candidates after watching the primaries unfold.

"Initially I thought I was really going to support Hillary but I slowly changed because she's just so divisive and I didn't like her tactics," she said in a campus interview.

"Just by electing him, I think America's image will improve," added Nseir.

In every presidential election since 1972, turnout by citizens under 30 in Pennsylvania was slightly below the national average for young voters and lagged behind that of older voters. In 2004, 47 percent of young Pennsylvanians, and 68 percent of those over 30, went to to the polls, according to CIRCLE.

University of Pittsburgh political scientist Stuart Schulman, an organizer for Obama, said experience all that youthful interest did not always translate into actual votes.

When he launched his neighborhood Obama group, the first 16 volunteers were all women over 40 with campaign experience.

Young voters "may be all charged up, they may be on MySpace, Facebook, text message alerts ... but they won't knock on a door to save their lives," Schulman said.

CIRCLE's Levine says support for Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, "may be so large that it can explain the increase (in voter registration), but it's not the case that they're all voting for Obama."

A tour of Pittsburgh's hip south side turned up people who wish populist John Edwards had not dropped out of the Democratic primary, and passionate support for Republican candidate Ron Paul, the libertarian-leaning Texas congressman.

Carnegie Mellon University chemistry student Rachel Ehrlich, 19, got up at dawn last week to be near the front of the line for Republican Sen. John McCain's campus appearance.

"I don't think that rhetoric on hope and change is what we need. We need answers and I think he's got them," she said. (Editing by Peter Cooney) (To read more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters "Tales from the Trail: 2008" online here)

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1829426120080420
 
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By David Lightman | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008

WILLIAMSPORT, Pa. — David Butler voted for Richard Nixon in 1972, then kept voting for GOP candidates through Watergate, Reaganomics and the Bill Clinton years.

This year, though, the 59-year-old teacher switched his registration to Democrat, and he said he plans to vote Tuesday for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

Since Jan. 1, more than 178,000 people in Pennsylvania have changed their party affiliations, and 92 percent of them have gone from Republican or independent to Democrat.

Some 4.2 million Democrats are eligible to vote in Tuesday's presidential primary, and the Pennsylvania Department of State predicted Monday that turnout could be as high as 50 percent.

If a big chunk of the party-switchers side with Obama, they could give him a decided edge.

That edge is hard to quantify, however. "While the switch is being driven by a number of factors, it's clear Obama's creating excitement," said Brad Coker, managing partner of Mason-Dixon Polling & Research.

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton led Obama by 48-43 percent, with 8 percent undecided and an error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points in the latest Mason-Dixon poll conducted late last week for McClatchy, MSNBC and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. But anecdotal evidence is strong that the switchers are almost always Obama backers.

They've warmed to Obama for two key reasons: They find him inspiring, and they want sweeping change.

Frank Pellicone, a commercial real estate manager from Yardley, in the Philadelphia area, registered as a Democrat after he found that Obama reminded him of John F. Kennedy.

Pellicone, 59, was already souring on the Republican Party as he became disillusioned with the war in Iraq. Then he found that he was "glued to the TV when Obama speaks," and he made the change.

Some switchers decided to vote for Obama after last Wednesday's Philadelphia debate. They liked how Obama gently answered questions about his relationship with his former pastor and a '60s-era radical.

"I like that about him. I don't want all this fighting and backbiting," said Troy Knapp, who's self-employed in Williamsport, in north-central Pennsylvania.

"Obama's tone is appropriate," added Kelly Socling, a Williamsport small-business worker who changed from the Green Party.

A lot of party-switchers are fed up with the Republicans, the Iraq war, rising health care prices and soaring costs of energy, and they want someone who can shake up Washington.

Mark Clayton was struck by the interest Obama stoked in Dan, his 17-year-old son. So Clayton, a suburban Philadelphia fuel oil dealer and a Republican, decided to take a closer look.

Clayton knows first hand about economic peril, as rising oil prices hurt not only his pricing, but also his customers' ability to pay.

So his choice became clear: "I'm a business owner," Clayton said, "and the nation needs change."

In Scranton in northeastern Pennsylvania, Craig Churchill Jr., 20, said he wanted the opposite of the Bush administration. In Doylestown, near Philadelphia, Maureen Gore, who once worked for President Ford's campaign, found that while Obama may not have any better answers than anyone else, "I just feel like he's a good, decent man."

Such switchers aside, Clinton retains a strong core of lifelong, hardcore Democrats. That core, said Coker, remains the key to her strength.

"Clinton's more middle of the road," said Elaine Boal, a retiree from Clearfield, and people in the small northern and western Pennsylvania towns appreciate that.

Joseph Syktich, a Houtzdale retiree, has fond memories of Bill Clinton and wants him to wield some influence again.

"He had the country in good shape, and Hillary makes a lot of sense," Syktich said.

Neither Boal nor Syktich were party switchers; they're loyal Democrats.

But there's unquestionably a huge army of switchers out there, even in places such as Clearfield, and Obama's fate could well be tied to how many people are thinking like Butler, the Mansfield teacher.

He remembers leaving college when he was young so he could go home and vote for Nixon. He stuck with Ronald Reagan in the 1980s because "I liked his economic policy, and he cared about people."

He was less enthusiastic about George W. Bush, but remained a registered Republican — until now.

Obama, Butler said, "understands what it's like to be at the lower end of the economic scale. And he's concerned about the war in Iraq.

Most of all, he said, "I just don't like the Bush administration."

McClatchy Newspapers 2008

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34368.html
 
MY 2:

WHAT ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL OBAMA WILL NOT BEAT McCAIN FAIL TO REALIZE IS THIS...THE COUNTRY IS TIRED OF LOSING EVERY LAST THREAD THAT IT HAS...ECONOMY, WAR, HEALTHCARE...ALL OF THIS WAS LOST UNDER BUSH, WHO ENDORSED McCAIN...AND IF McCAIN GETS CONDI ON HIS TICKET, IT'S A REAL SHOO-IN FOR OBAMA...PLUS, McCAIN HAS CANCER...IS AMERICAN REALLY GONNA VOTE FOR A MAN THAT HAS CANCER? EVERYONE LOVED FDR, BUT IF THEY KNEW OF HIS HANDICAP BEFORE HE RAN FOR PREZ, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED HIM IN.

U GOT GUN LOVIN' WHITES THAT ARE SUFFERIN' LIKE DOGS UNDER BUSH...AND SEE NO OTHER WAY OUT, BUT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA...HE IS GONNA MAKE IT...IT IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY, BUT HE HAS GOT IT AND HE WILL DO SOME GOOD. NOT EVERYTHING THAT HE SAYS HE IS GOING TO DO, 'CAUSE BIG BIZ IS NOT GONNA LET GO LIKE THAT, BUT HE WILL TRY AND THAT IS A START.

THIS HAS TURNED INTO A PEOPLE'S REVOLUTION. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
 
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By David Lightman | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008

WASHINGTON — Hillary Clinton's Pennsylvania victory means that the Democratic Party's eventual nominee will be badly bruised and could have a tough time rallying the party in the fall.

Clinton on Tuesday once again failed to do well among young and African-American voters, who are growing increasingly alienated from the New York senator. She won with some harsh tactics — too harsh for a lot of Barack Obama supporters.

Obama, on the other hand, stumbled badly. He outspent Clinton by an estimated 3 to 1. He had six weeks since the last primary to ingratiate himself with people he's had a hard time wooing: blue-collar whites, small-town residents and older women. Instead, he once again lost the white vote handily and couldn't put his opponent away.

The momentum that seemed so strong in February, when Obama won 11 contests in a row and seemed on the verge of knocking Clinton out of the race, was all but gone Tuesday.

Also gone, or at least fading, was the feeling among Democratic voters on both sides that either candidate ultimately would be acceptable.

While Democrats remain angry over the Iraq war, the economy and President Bush, they've grown less inclined to accept their favorite candidate's Democratic opponent as a prospective president.

The deepening Clinton-Obama schism became more pronounced after last Wednesday's Philadelphia debate.

Obama backers insisted that their man was treated unfairly when the Illinois senator was asked about his relationship with his former pastor and '60s-era radical Willliam Ayers. They argued that Obama did the right thing by staying gentle in his explanations.

Clinton folks saw the performance differently. They were disturbed that Obama didn't put more distance between himself and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who has suggested that past U.S. actions were partly responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and that the HIV virus was a government plot against people of color.

If Obama gets the nomination, lots of Clinton backers said, they'd give presumptive Republican nominee John McCain a look.

Obama backers said the same, should Clinton be the nominee.

"I love Obama," said Aimee Brace, a Williamsport housewife who switched her registration to Democrat. "He has a real down-to-earth way. If Clinton gets it, I don't know what I'd do. I'd be lost."

Democratic leaders sensed this increasing rupture between the Clinton and Obama camps, and in recent days they've pleaded with the superdelegates who control about 20 percent of the convention votes, and with them, the balance of power.

"I need them to say who they're for, starting now," party Chairman Howard Dean said of the superdelegates last week. "We've got to know who our nominee is."

The surest way to have gotten a quick decision would have been if Obama had won Pennsylvania. That would have instantly dispelled the notion that he lacks appeal in a big diverse state and restore the aura that made him a star in an array of states as different as Vermont, Minnesota, Virginia and Louisiana this winter.

By Wednesday, this thinking went, the media would have been declaring the race all but over and the superdelegates would have had a fresh reason to leap on the Obama bandwagon. He'd be officially anointed this generation's John F. Kennedy, ready to inspire the masses with his vision and vigor.

Instead, the verdict Wednesday will remain the same: Pennsylvania joins the roster of Clinton wins that stretches from Massachusetts and New Jersey on the East Coast to Texas and Ohio in the middle and California in the West.

But Clinton still can't break Obama's hold on black and young voters. He won 92 percent of the black vote, according to exit polls, and between 56 percent and 58 percent of voters under 45.

Similarly, however, Obama can't shake that a lot of whites are uncomfortable with a black as president, as exit polls showed him losing the white vote by 60-40 percent — a consistent trend in recent primaries.

Yet Clinton's harsh campaign may be turning Obama's flaws into open wounds that prove difficult to heal by November.

And so, the party is left again in a stalemate without apparent end.

The campaigns now head for May 6 primaries in Indiana and North Carolina. North Carolina, where roughly 40 percent of the Democratic voters are black, is expected to be solid Obama territory, but Indiana promises to be less predictable.

The two camps will undoubtedly paint the state as a make-or-break affair, but it offers only 72 delegates. With 2,025 needed to nominate, Indiana's an unlikely game-changer.

So on a day when the Democratic race remains muddled, this much is clear: Obama remains the favorite for the nomination, but it's not a comfortable lead.


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Clinton celebrates her win with Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter

McClatchy Newspapers 2008

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/34589.html
 
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