Poll: 57% Americans Against Immediate Withdrawal

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By Will Lester, Associated Press | December 18, 2005

WASHINGTON -- A solid majority of Americans oppose immediately withdrawing US troops from Iraq, citing as a main reason the desire to finish the job of stabilizing the country, an Associated Press-Ipsos poll found.

Some 57 percent of those surveyed said the US military should stay until Iraq is stabilized; 36 percent favor an immediate withdrawal. A year ago, 71 percent favored keeping troops in Iraq until it was stabilized.

In an effort to build support for his Iraq policy, President Bush plans an Oval Office address tonight to discuss the US mission and what lies ahead in 2006.

The speech will be his first from the Oval Office since March 2003 when he announced the invasion. In the past two weeks, he has given four speeches on Iraq.

In the poll, when people were asked in an open-ended question the main reason the United States should keep troops in Iraq, 32 percent said to stabilize the country and 26 percent said to finish the rebuilding job underway.

Only 1 in 10 said they wanted to stay in Iraq to fight terrorism; just 3 percent said to protect US national security.

''You've got to finish the job," said Terry Waterman, a store manager from Superior, Wis. ''The whole world is looking to us for leadership. We can't have another Vietnam."

Other recent polling has found that when given additional options, many people favor a step somewhere in between having troops leave immediately and staying until the country is stabilized.

After months of unrelenting violence, millions of Iraqis turned out last week to choose a parliament. Early estimates placed the voter turnout close to 70 percent of Iraq's 15 million registered voters.

Some 49 percent of Americans now say the war with Iraq was a mistake, according to the poll of 1,006 adults conducted Tuesday through Thursday. That compares with 53 percent in August. Two years ago, only 34 percent of those surveyed said the war was a mistake.

Two years ago, after ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was captured, 64 percent of respondents said the war was the right thing to do. Now, 42 percent say it was the right decision.

Over two years, some of the biggest shifts on whether the war was a good decision or a mistake have occurred among married people with children, those with low incomes, and those with a high school education or less.

''Whether the war is a mistake is less relevant than what we should do now," said John McAdams, a political scientist at Marquette University in Milwaukee. ''A fair number of people may think it's a mistake, but still don't want to lose."

© Copyright 2005 Globe Newspaper Company.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w.../18/most_in_us_dont_favor_quick_iraq_pullout/
 
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This is news?? If the white house continues to show what the hell they are doing, that number will continue to go up along with Bush's poll numbers which is about 50 percent, according the the Diageo Hotline poll. The democrat party don't do themselves any favors showing how soft their party is when it comes to military matters and protecting the country. Now that Harry Reid has announced they have killed the patriot act yesterday, their will be a major price to pay for that party if we have ANY kind of terror related occurrence in the US from here on out. They just game those republicans a gift that will keep on giving through the 2006-2008 elections in my opinion.

-VG
 
If You Are Black And They Asked You Your Opinion Your Answer Didnt Count....... This Is A Bullshyt Poll!!!! HoW many People Were Polled 9?
 
dannyromans said:
If You Are Black And They Asked You Your Opinion Your Answer Didnt Count....... This Is A Bullshyt Poll!!!! HoW many People Were Polled 9?

Am I Black? Why because I use words you don't recognize? Grow the fuck up with those 6 year old questions playa ain't nobody trying to judge a political situation based on some bullshit rhetorical race game you are trying to play. Well you are because simps like you need to have shit explained to you. If it doesn't fit your obscenely myopic point of view you run to your ignorance for safety. Stay out of grown folks conversation.

-VG
 
the media is the most lazy and disappointing american institution in existence.

these people conduct a poll to make news.

arent polls supposed to complement a news story. the poll isnt the story.

maybe its just me, but this isnt anything worth reporting.
 
dannyromans said:
If You Are Black And They Asked You Your Opinion Your Answer Didnt Count....... This Is A Bullshyt Poll!!!! HoW many People Were Polled 9?
why is a poll with only 57% against the opinion you have represents an automatic example of some type of propaganda.
 
<font size="5"><center>Most US troops want Iraq exit within year: poll</font size></center>

Last Update: Wednesday, March 1, 2006. 1:37pm (AEDT)

A wide-ranging poll of US troops serving in Iraq made public on Tuesday found that 72 per cent believe the United States should exit Iraq within a year.

At the same time, 53 per cent of the respondents said the number of US troops and bombing missions should be doubled to control the insurgency, according to the poll results.

Le Moyne College and Zogby International conducted the survey at several locations inside Iraq, polling 944 soldiers in face-to-face encounters.

The pollsters said the survey had a margin of error of 3.3 per cent.

It found that only 23 per cent of those surveyed believe that US troops should stay in Iraq "as long as it takes," President George W Bush's formulation for how long US forces will remain in the country.

In contrast, 29 per cent of the respondents said US troops should leave immediately, 22 per cent within six months, and 21 per cent within six months to a year.

Support for an exit within a year was highest among reserve and national guard troops - 89 and 82 per cent respectively.

It was lower among regular army troops (70 per cent) and lowest among marines (58 per cent).

The poll found that 58 per cent of the respondents said the US mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42 per cent said it was somewhat or very unclear or that they were unsure or did not understand the mission at all.

An overwhelming majority (85 per cent) said the main US mission was "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9/11 attacks".

Another major reason for the war cited by 77 per cent of the respondents was "to stop Saddam from protecting Al Qaeda in Iraq".

Few saw the mission as securing oil supplies (11 per cent) or to provide long-term bases for US troops in the region (6 per cent).

And 55 per cent said harsh and threatening interrogation of prisoners to gain information of military value was not appropriate or standard military conduct.

- AFP

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200603/s1581241.htm
 
poll the right people and people would want a pullout tommorrow.... ask those who been denied funding because hell we ain't got no more...

ask those who lost everything in Katrina what would they rather have...

Fugg Bush and everyone who voted for him....
 
In Iraq, frontline patience wears thin

In Iraq, frontline patience wears thin
By Charles Levinson, Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
Thu Mar 30, 3:00 AM ET

In a middle-class neighborhood on the bank of the Tigris River, Charlie Company's 4th Platoon dismounts from their armored vehicles and starts banging on doors. They're going house to house, talking to residents, looking for information on insurgents in this city of 1.8 million.

While the soldiers' reception varies, one Christian family welcomes them with smiles. But misunderstanding quickly ensues.

"Please don't take our weapon," the mother of four pleads in Arabic when US Army Staff Sgt. Josh Clevenger comes across an AK-47. "We need it to defend ourselves. It is not safe, anything can happen."

As he stands in the living room, Sergeant Clevenger has no intention of confiscating their rifle - nor any comprehension of the woman's plea. With his platoon's lone interpreter elsewhere, he is effectively rendered speechless.

"Your weapon is filled with blanks," Clevenger, from Muncie, Ind., says to the woman, his voice unwittingly rising as he tries to convey helpful information. "These aren't real bullets - they won't protect you."

For US soldiers who don't grasp the language or the culture here, a central part of their mission - generating goodwill and support - remains far more difficult than capturing insurgent leaders. While their officers remain largely on message and outwardly optimistic, many of the front-line men like Clevenger, who patrol "outside the wire" twice daily, say that their patience is wearing thin.

"I don't want to stay here too much longer. The Iraqi Army is getting to where they can get a hold of things now," says Clevenger. "The longer we're here and the more times they attack us, the more they're going to figure out how to better their attacks."

More than a few soldiers of the US Army's 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team stationed in this Sunni-Kurdish city in northern Iraq, shuddered last week when President Bush said total withdrawal of US troops "will be decided by future presidents and future governments of Iraq." Three years after the invasion, many soldiers say it's time to hand over control to Iraqis. Most of those interviewed echoed a recentZogby poll of 944 military respondents throughout Iraq, that found that 72 percent of US troops favor withdrawal within the next year.

"I think we're doing good things here, but I think we need to start pulling it out," Spc. Mathew Merced, a jovial infantryman from Mcinnville, Ore., says, scanning Mosul's al-Karama neighborhood from a trash-strewn rooftop.

"The Iraqi Army here has come a long way in just the short time we've been here."

More than 2,300 US servicemen have lost their lives in the longest US armed conflict since Vietnam. American support for the war, 62 percent three years ago, has dwindled today to just 43 percent, according to a recent CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll.

p>For those soldiers with years left on their contracts, for young fathers, and newlyweds, the prospect of the war dragging on is disconcerting. Divorce rates in the Army have risen at least 25 percent since the war began.

"In the back of your mind you wonder how much longer is this going to go on, how many more times am I going to have to come back over here," says 1st Lt. Michael McCasland of Spokane, Wash., who spent just two weeks with his newborn daughter before returning to Iraq. "There has to be a point when Iraqis take responsibility for their own country."

Compared with much of Iraq, the city of Mosul is relatively calm today, sidestepping the sectarian dueling that is roiling much of the country.

Still, two IEDs struck the battalion's armored eight-wheeled Strykers Sunday, though there were no casualties. In the city's eastern half alone, Lieutenant McCasland's battalion (one of four in the Stryker Brigade operating in Mosul) endures an average of 50 IED attacks each month, and a handful of car bombs.

The insurgents' attacks have grown less effective with time, but now they seem to be adapting, officers say. In recent weeks those attacks have become more sophisticated as some here worry a catastrophic attack could be imminent.

"The enemy has gotten very well- organized and very well-versed in what they're doing, as if they've gotten new leadership in the area," intelligence officer Capt. Mark Awad told a gathering of Iraqi Army and police officers in Mosul Saturday.

While US soldiers are practiced in the art of firepower, the sort of counterinsurgency campaign under way at the moment has demanded a far more nuanced approach to battle. Defeating the insurgency is as much about reaching ordinary Iraqis as it is about capturing terrorists.

"The fight is really for the people and their mind-set," says Lt. Col. Richard Greene of Germantown, Md., the battalion's executive officer.

Beanie Babies and candy
Even as they're frustrated at the often-tense relationship with Iraqis, the soldiers here take solace in the swarms of children that come out to greet them wherever they go. Though the children are often after the Beanie Babies and candies that the soldiers dole out, for troops, their response offers much-needed reassurance.

"When we roll into a neighborhood, it's like a parade with all the young kids running out," says Clevenger. "I think we're definitely making a difference here."

But in the leafy front yard of a well-to-do Kurdish family, three women spew vitriol in the face of platoon leader 1st Lt. Raymond Maszarose of Vicksburg, Md. Last year, they say, US troops accidentally killed their father and two of their nephews.

"We hate the Americans," says one of the women, calling herself simply Om Omar. "They destroyed our country. They can't protect this country, can't provide electricity, why'd they come here? It's a nightmare."

The women say their father was caught in the crossfire during a firefight between US soldiers and insurgents. "How do you know it was the Americans that killed him?" Lieutenant Maszarose asks again and again. But it's no use. For these women, the blame lies squarely on US shoulders.

And they are not alone. A recent poll by WorldPublicOpinion.org of 1,150 Iraqis showed that nearly half of all Iraqis and nine out of 10 Sunni Arabs support attacks on US forces.

"We're up to over 2,300 US military deaths and it sucks that they feel like that," says Clevenger.

After the encounter with the angry Kurdish family, members of Maszarose's Charlie Company 4th Platoontake over an Iraqi home for an evening stakeout of an oft-targeted police station. Khaled Saleh, the father whose home has been temporarily commandeered, and his young children sit wearily among them.

As the evening drags on uneventfully, the soldiers complain about new rules of engagement, meant to limit the sort of accidental killings and indiscriminate shootings that can alienate communities overnight. In recent months, they've been ordered to keep their vehicles' rear-mounted machine guns unloaded, to drive slowly down streets that are likely mined with IEDs, and to hunker down in their vehicles when approached by a possible suicide car bomber rather than open fire.

Their efforts are unappreciated
To these soldiers, they are bending over backward to keep the peace, and they are confounded that Iraqis don't seem to appreciate that.

"Why do they blame us?" wonders US Army Spc. Brandon Beard, of Arkadelphia, Ark. "The terrorists are wreaking more havoc on this city than we are."

"I don't hate all Arabs just because a few of them blew up the World Trade Center, so why should they hate all US soldiers just because one shot their father?" asks US Army Cpl. Joshua Hedges, of Warrensburg, Mo., a father of three.

The bleary-eyed Saleh looks on uncomprehending. When asked about the US soldiers in his country, and now in his living room, he shrugs, and barks down to his wife to bring another round of tea.

"What can I do?" he wonders. "We adapt and we survive and we give tea to our guests. But I would like an option beside the murderer Saddam Hussein or the lawlessness and humiliation of foreign occupation."

Back on base, Pvt. Isaac Ussery, of Naples, Fla., offers an explanation as he plays Blackhawk Down on a Sony PlayStation.

"Saddam had [things] under control and we don't basically," he says. "Iraq was safe under Saddam. You weren't safe from him, but you were safe from your neighbor and you were safe from Syrian people trying to come in and blow things up."

Despite their stated frustrations, soldiers say they are prepared to keep coming back. Many here have reenlisted for another four years and throughout the Army reenlistment rates are up.

It beats managing a gas station back home, says Private Ussery.

"I expected to be living in tents in the desert," he says after he rescues the virtual downed Blackhawk. "But I got here and I have electricity, heating, air conditioning, Playstation, TV, surround sound. It's not that bad."

How US troops see Iraq
According to a Zogby poll of 944 US troops stationed in Iraq:

• 72% said the US should leave Iraq within one year.

• 29% said US forces should leave Iraq immediately.

• 58% said the US mission in Iraq is clear.

• 85% believe the US invaded Iraq to retaliate for 9/11 attacks.

• 24% said a major reason for invading was to establish a model democracy.

Source: Zogby International, Jan. 18 - Feb. 14, 2006

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/otroopview
 
Re: In Iraq, frontline patience wears thin

just imagine how much benefit would come if al jazeera posted this article for the arab world to contemplate.
 
VegasGuy said:
This is news?? If the white house continues to show what the hell they are doing, that number will continue to go up along with Bush's poll numbers which is about 50 percent, according the the Diageo Hotline poll. The democrat party don't do themselves any favors showing how soft their party is when it comes to military matters and protecting the country. Now that Harry Reid has announced they have killed the patriot act yesterday, their will be a major price to pay for that party if we have ANY kind of terror related occurrence in the US from here on out. They just game those republicans a gift that will keep on giving through the 2006-2008 elections in my opinion.

-VG

Most people like myself who favor immediate pullout do not see how the war in Iraq is protecting American lives. The perpatrators of the attack so say the government are still at large (Osama). According to Bush Osama is not a major concern. So I fail to see the logic in sending U.S. citizens to Iraq to be targets. How can we feel safer in a perpetual state of war. Peace makes me feel safe. So I don't equate war with security. Bush has tricked most of America into thinking that as long as he is killing muslims (regardless if they had anything to do with 911 or not) he is fighting terrorism.
 
Re: In Iraq, frontline patience wears thin

i have a problem with their english site because its really a bunch of reprinting of AFP and reuters articles.

what are they saying in arabic, why dont they just translate their arabic reports for the english site?

i wish they would translate the last article i posted into arabic to see the reaction.
 
Re: In Iraq, frontline patience wears thin

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