Political Bomb Explodes in DC
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Watershed Move, Both Risky and Inevitable
President Obama’s endorsement of gay marriage on Wednesday was by any measure a watershed. A sitting United States president took sides in what many people consider the last civil rights movement, providing the most powerful evidence to date of how rapidly views are moving on an issue that was politically toxic just five years ago.
Mr. Obama faces considerable risk in jumping into this debate, reluctantly or not, in the heat of what is expected to be a close election. The day before he announced his position, voters in North Carolina — a critical state for Mr. Obama and the site of the Democratic convention this summer — approved by a 20-point margin a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. It was the 31st state to pass such an amendment.
As George W. Bush demonstrated in 2004, when his campaign engineered initiatives against gay marriage in a series of swing states, opponents are far more likely to vote on these issues than supporters. Mitt Romney, the probable Republican presidential candidate, was quick to proclaim his opposition to gay marriage after Mr. Obama spoke. And however much national attitudes may be shifting, the issue remains highly contentious among black and Latino voters, two groups central to Mr. Obama’s success.
Yet as Mr. Obama has clearly come to recognize, the forces of history appear to be changing. The president was at risk of seeming politically timid and calculating, standing at the sidelines while a large number of Americans — including members of both parties — embraced gay marriage. That is a particularly discordant image, many Democrats said, for the man who was the nation’s first black president.
Excerpt from the New York Times.
Says a lot about humanoids. It's a risky move to basically say
"Let gays do them, why should we care if they get married?" The scary part is this issue brings out the mouth breathers to the polls. People who can barely afford to feed themselves worry more about this than important financial issues.
What killed me was 2004 and Bush. I couldn't believe the black church was used up here to support Bush when gay marriage was put on the ballot that year. I was shocked by what SOME black folks were telling me in 2004.
Now we shall see. Will social conservatism trump race? What will the same black churches and preachers do now?
Says a lot about humanoids. It's a risky move to basically say
The scary part is this issue brings out the mouth breathers to the polls. People who can barely afford to feed themselves worry more about this than important financial issues.
What killed me was 2004 and Bush. I couldn't believe the black church was used up here to support Bush when gay marriage was put on the ballot that year. I was shocked by what SOME black folks were telling me in 2004.
Now we shall see. Will social conservatism trump race? What will the same black churches and preachers do now?
This is going to be interesting indeed but, as you said, we're about to find out.
I saw some Big-Wig black ministers questioned on that very issue on CNN earlier this morning. Of the couple that I saw, it appeared that they were trying as best the could to "nuance" the issue: the Bible says what the Bible says - but individually when one goes to the poll, who knows.
The states with same sex marriage laws/bans will have their homosexual population explode over time. In liberal states, the number of gays will decline.
Your forcing people that are attracted to the same sex to procreate, hide their sexual preference and pass on their genes. That is why homesexuality is prevalent, through peer pressure, people that would naturally prefer the same sex have children.
When you interfere with nature, you can get unintended consequences.
Your forcing people that are attracted to the same sex to procreate, hide their sexual preference and pass on their genes. That is why homesexuality is prevalent, through peer pressure, people that would naturally prefer the same sex have children.
When you interfere with nature, you can get unintended consequences.
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Interesting.
I think the "newness" of having a black president no longer exists. I feel that four years ago preachers would be hesitant to speak against Obama. I don't see that as a problem now. What they say on television and in their churches could very well be two different things.
Most people packing these inner-city churches aren't doing better than they were four years ago. The point they will overlook is that they aren't doing any worse(elect a Republican to find out what that is...lol). The ignorance that is social conservatism can prey on such conditions.
The "newness" is gone and people don't realize how bad they can have it under republican rule. Preachers and churches in my state will play a key role. If I'm a Republican planner, I'm trying to repeat 2004 in Ohio.
Franklin Graham:
Obama is shaking his fist at God
Franklin Graham, son of renowned
evangelist Billy Graham, serves as
president and CEO of the Billy
Graham Evangelistic Association, as
well as Samaritan’s Purse.
McClatchy
By Michael Gordon
Charlotte Observer
May 10, 2012
In another provocative comment aimed at Barack Obama, evangelist Franklin Graham on Thursday accused the president of having “shaken his fist” at God by changing his position on same-sex marriage. “It grieves me that our president would now affirm same-sex marriage, though I believe it grieves God even more,” Graham said in a prepared statement.
“This is a sad day for America. May God help us.”
Graham, however, said God created and defined marriage.
It “should not be defined by presidents or polls, governors or the media. The definition was set long ago and changing legislation or policy will never change God’s definition.”
BUT
The Rev. Murdoch Smith, pastor of St. Martin’s Episcopal Church in Charlotte, challenged Graham’s view, saying “I am always suspect when someone says that they know the mind of God.”
“President Obama stated that his position was evolving because he was open to what all sides had to say on marriage equality,” Smith said Thursday. “That openness … brought him to the conclusion that God blesses all who commit to one another in his presence.”
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On Tuesday, North Carolina became the 31st state to ratify a constitutional amendment designed to block same-sex marriage.
The next day, amid an online clamor to move the Democratic National Convention from Charlotte, the president changed his longstanding position against same-sex unions.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/05/10/148405/franklin-graham-obama-is-shaking.html
For these black ministers to speak out against gay marriage, it would also mean taking a strong stance against single motherhood. They are NOT going to do that!
You miss 2004? Sheeeeeit. They went right at gay marriage. Single motherhood is not to be touched in the black church.
Single motherhood is not to be touched in the black church.
nor, gay tithes. See, Michael Dyson comments here..