PBF is a no show at court

[Alaskanredman]

Regarding rankings, I was talking about Floyd being top 5 in the welterweight division, not P4P. P4P is another story. His ranking there is debatable because of his inactivity.

I understand that Floyd is on video calling some guys out but this is not "evidence" that he didn't duck some guys. Maybe you find it credible but you certainly can't find it as evidence.

I never stated that this was a fact. I'm just saying if you have an opinion it is based on something. IF he ducked these guys in your opinion then what are you basing that on. You don't seem to have any answers just like buk.

You can go so many places with all this speculation about who is lying and who is not. However the facts are:

Floyd has fought 2 times in the last 4 years.
He moved to welterweight 6 years ago in 2005 and has only fought 5 guys that were ranked at welterweight since.

He became inactive when the welterweight division was hot with Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Paul WIlliams, and even Kermit Cintron. During that time, Floyd opted to fight Judah that had been beaten by a bum, Baldomir, and then he fought the bum, Baldomir, and then decided to call it a day. I don't think this is acceptable from a guy that claims to be better than Sugar Ray Leonard.

Ultimately, once Cotto, Margarito, and Williams started losing, leaving the division, etc., Floyd coincidentally decides to reappear against a lightweight Marquez He took off again and then came back against a downtrodden Mosley in a good win where they both looked vulnerable.

Floyd retired at the end of 07.

Cotto beat Shane a month before Floyd retired and Judah a few months before that. Prior to that he didn't have any big names at welter.

Margarito has always been a bum, he lost to a bunch of nobodies and in 07 he lost to Williams. Before that he has a "W" over a one armed Clottey.

Paul Williams, I will give you. He was ducked by everyone, but his biggest win was Margarito in 07.

Cintron....


Judah was the undisputed champ based of the second Sphinx fight... he vacated some belts but was to considered the linear champ until Baldomir, I would have taken Judah over all these guys in 2006 and since Baldomir beat Judah... it makes sense to fight the guy who beat the best. Again all of this was in 2006. Oscar called in 2007 before these cats started to heat up. Also before Floyd left top rank, Arum tried to give him a shitty deal to fight Cotto and Margarito, which we have discussed over and over again. Shit all of this has been discussed and I'm still waiting on something to back the ducking allegation.

 

[Zeferino]

I never stated that this was a fact. I'm just saying if you have an opinion it is based on something. IF he ducked these guys in your opinion then what are you basing that on. You don't seem to have any answers just like buk.



Floyd retired at the end of 07.

Cotto beat Shane a month before Floyd retired and Judah a few months before that. Prior to that he didn't have any big names at welter.

Margarito has always been a bum, he lost to a bunch of nobodies and in 07 he lost to Williams. Before that he has a "W" over a one armed Clottey.

Paul Williams, I will give you. He was ducked by everyone, but his biggest win was Margarito in 07.

Cintron....


Judah was the undisputed champ based of the second Sphinx fight... he vacated some belts but was to considered the linear champ until Baldomir, I would have taken Judah over all these guys in 2006 and since Baldomir beat Judah... it makes sense to fight the guy who beat the best. Again all of this was in 2006. Oscar called in 2007 before these cats started to heat up. Also before Floyd left top rank, Arum tried to give him a shitty deal to fight Cotto and Margarito, which we have discussed over and over again. Shit all of this has been discussed and I'm still waiting on something to back the ducking allegation.

These were the top guys in the welterweight division from 2005 to 2008:

Cotto WBA Champ from December 2006 to July 2008
Margarito WBO Champ from February 2005 to July 2007
Williams WBO Champ from July 2007 to June 2008
Cintron IBF Champ from October 2006 to April 2008

Baldomir was worst than all of these guys and HE beat Judah. Then Mayweather takes Judah and then Baldomir while avoiding all of these other guys. Yeah, yeah, Floyd wanted the money so he fought Oscar and then Hatton. Ok, so he retired after the Hatton fight in late 2007 only to resurface 2 years later AFTER all of the aforementioned champs got beat, changed divisions, etc., and the division was a wasteland. Maybe it's all just a coincidence but it looks like Floyd was avoiding the best competition especially in that whole affair where he could have fought Margarito for the same money but picked Baldomir. Oh, but he chose Baldomir for legacy purposes? That's a joke as Mayweather seems to not give a fuck about legacy.

None of us is in Mayweather's head to say he's scared of this guy or that guy or that he's not scared at all. However, it's all about Mayweather's actions. He's acting like a guy that is ducking people just like Pac is supposedly "acting" like a guy that shoots Peds, heroin, meth, or whatever. I'm not saying Mayweather ducked anybody, I'm just saying he acts like he does.

 

[Alaskanredman]

These were the top guys in the welterweight division from 2005 to 2008:

Cotto WBA Champ from December 2006 to July 2008
Margarito WBO Champ from February 2005 to July 2007
Williams WBO Champ from July 2007 to June 2008
Cintron IBF Champ from October 2006 to April 2008

Baldomir was worst than all of these guys and HE beat Judah. Then Mayweather takes Judah and then Baldomir while avoiding all of these other guys. Yeah, yeah, Floyd wanted the money so he fought Oscar and then Hatton. Ok, so he retired after the Hatton fight in late 2007 only to resurface 2 years later AFTER all of the aforementioned champs got beat, changed divisions, etc., and the division was a wasteland. Maybe it's all just a coincidence but it looks like Floyd was avoiding the best competition especially in that whole affair where he could have fought Margarito for the same money but picked Baldomir. Oh, but he chose Baldomir for legacy purposes? That's a joke as Mayweather seems to not give a fuck about legacy.

None of us is in Mayweather's head to say he's scared of this guy or that guy or that he's not scared at all. However, it's all about Mayweather's actions. He's acting like a guy that is ducking people just like Pac is supposedly "acting" like a guy that shoots Peds, heroin, meth, or whatever. I'm not saying Mayweather ducked anybody, I'm just saying he acts like he does.

Who did Cotto beat for Judah's vacant belt?
Who did Cintron beat for Judah's vacant belt?
Who did Margarito beat for his belt?

Well Baldomir beat Judah and since you are making this whole Floyd thing revolve around actual fights and not SKILL... I would say he had to fight Baldomir, who beat the top guy. Also it is questionable if Margarito could beat Baldomir.

He retired and he came back for Pac... not any of these other guys. None of these guys have the skill of Pac so that would meet your skill requirement that you put on the Baldomir fight. Shit... Pac was/is the biggest challenge, biggest name and biggest money so clearly picking Pac was a way to duck the rest... huh?

Pac, of course, had a million lies as to why he couldn't do the drug testing. So, what is the next "act" of ducking that Floyd produces... a fight with Shane Mosley. Yes, people lost in Floyd's absence, but what is the assumption that Floyd knew that his easiest fight would win overall? How is it a duck if you come back and fight the man left standing... and he is the best fighter?

You guys have nothing and you keep trying to reshaped this conversation because you don't have shit to support your argument. buk with "avoid" and you with "acting like a guy that is ducking people". Either he ducked or he didn't. I can point directly to the lies/bullshit of Pac's PED situation. I'm asking you to point to Floyd's lies/bullshit. buk has the "because the fight's didn't happen" stance and you have that "I don't like his schedule" stance.

 

[Zeferino]

Who did Cotto beat for Judah's vacant belt?
Who did Cintron beat for Judah's vacant belt?
Who did Margarito beat for his belt?

Well Baldomir beat Judah and since you are making this whole Floyd thing revolve around actual fights and not SKILL... I would say he had to fight Baldomir, who beat the top guy. Also it is questionable if Margarito could beat Baldomir.

He retired and he came back for Pac... not any of these other guys. None of these guys have the skill of Pac so that would meet your skill requirement that you put on the Baldomir fight. Shit... Pac was/is the biggest challenge, biggest name and biggest money so clearly picking Pac was a way to duck the rest... huh?

Pac, of course, had a million lies as to why he couldn't do the drug testing. So, what is the next "act" of ducking that Floyd produces... a fight with Shane Mosley. Yes, people lost in Floyd's absence, but what is the assumption that Floyd knew that his easiest fight would win overall? How is it a duck if you come back and fight the man left standing... and he is the best fighter?

You guys have nothing and you keep trying to reshaped this conversation because you don't have shit to support your argument. buk with "avoid" and you with "acting like a guy that is ducking people". Either he ducked or he didn't. I can point directly to the lies/bullshit of Pac's PED situation. I'm asking you to point to Floyd's lies/bullshit. buk has the "because the fight's didn't happen" stance and you have that "I don't like his schedule" stance.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Who did Cotto beat for Judah's vacant belt?
Who did Cintron beat for Judah's vacant belt?
Who did Margarito beat for his belt?

Well Baldomir beat Judah and since you are making this whole Floyd thing revolve around actual fights and not SKILL... I would say he had to fight Baldomir, who beat the top guy. Also it is questionable if Margarito could beat Baldomir.

He retired and he came back for Pac... not any of these other guys. None of these guys have the skill of Pac so that would meet your skill requirement that you put on the Baldomir fight. Shit... Pac was/is the biggest challenge, biggest name and biggest money so clearly picking Pac was a way to duck the rest... huh?

Pac, of course, had a million lies as to why he couldn't do the drug testing. So, what is the next "act" of ducking that Floyd produces... a fight with Shane Mosley. Yes, people lost in Floyd's absence, but what is the assumption that Floyd knew that his easiest fight would win overall? How is it a duck if you come back and fight the man left standing... and he is the best fighter?

You guys have nothing and you keep trying to reshaped this conversation because you don't have shit to support your argument. buk with "avoid" and you with "acting like a guy that is ducking people". Either he ducked or he didn't. I can point directly to the lies/bullshit of Pac's PED situation. I'm asking you to point to Floyd's lies/bullshit. buk has the "because the fight's didn't happen" stance and you have that "I don't like his schedule" stance.

you care way to much. at least more than I do.

 

[Zeferino]

you care way to much. at least more than I do.

 

[Alaskanredman]

you care way to much. at least more than I do.

I've asked one question over and over again and you have cared enough to respond while ducking and dodging the question over and over again. If you didn't care you would just admit that your opinion is because you have a problem with Floyd personally instead of talking in circles about "avoid" and not understanding the question, or in reality you have care enough to repeat the same shit for years, but are to stupid to even have a reason behind what you are saying. I've never seen a motherfucker who is sensitive like a female about having a opinion, but scared to express it when questioned so I can only conclude that your an idiot.

I'll admit that I must be crazy cause I have a compulsion to force people to form logical opinions even if they don't have the mental capacity to do it or at least shut the fuck up.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Zef, I know you look for the opportunity to spar with me and again... There's need for you to respond to my post.

 

[Zeferino]

Zef, I know you look for the opportunity to spar with me and again... There's need for you to respond to my post.

You've said what you think and I've said what I think. I'm not into trying to force people to change their opinion. We've been through these topics in different variations a few times already. I'll let you and Buk go at it about the video or whatever the hell you'll were fighting about. My only point was that a video of Mayweather calling out guys in no way is any evidence that he did not duck a particular opponent. If you don't think that is logical or somebody is buggin then whatever.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I've asked one question over and over again and you have cared enough to respond while ducking and dodging the question over and over again. If you didn't care you would just admit that your opinion is because you have a problem with Floyd personally instead of talking in circles about "avoid" and not understanding the question, or in reality you have care enough to repeat the same shit for years, but are to stupid to even have a reason behind what you are saying. I've never seen a motherfucker who is sensitive like a female about having a opinion, but scared to express it when questioned so I can only conclude that your an idiot.

I'll admit that I must be crazy cause I have a compulsion to force people to form logical opinions even if they don't have the mental capacity to do it or at least shut the fuck up.

You absolutely care about this more than I do. Which explains why you think I am personally offended by pbf to the point I dislike the guy. You are a funny dude. You actually spend time to insult someone you dont know. You spend time attacking me about what? PBF. Really? Like I said care about this way more than me. Lol, I am a motherfucker and stupid. Ok.

 

[Alaskanredman]

You've said what you think and I've said what I think. I'm not into trying to force people to change their opinion. We've been through these topics in different variations a few times already. I'll let you and Buk go at it about the video or whatever the hell you'll were fighting about. My only point was that a video of Mayweather calling out guys in no way is any evidence that he did not duck a particular opponent. If you don't think that is logical or somebody is buggin then whatever.

Yet, when constantly asked to present any sign of ducking... Years of talking about ducking and it is all about your opinion of an inactive schedule the leads to the best opponents.

I'm glad that you presented the best that you have.

 

[Alaskanredman]

You absolutely care about this more than I do. Which explains why you think I am personally offended by pbf to the point I dislike the guy. You are a funny dude. You actually spend time to insult someone you dont know. You spend time attacking me about what? PBF. Really? Like I said care about this way more than me. Lol, I am a motherfucker and stupid. Ok.

I don't like illogical people with a lot to say. This has actually been less about Floyd and more about your inability to back up your statements. I'm perplexed by why that is so tough for you as much as you have cried about having your opinion. You keep coming back here to express your thoughts and a simple question about those thoughts is to much for you.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Dude. Do you honestly think I care about what you like? Just let it go.

I am looking forward to the next part of this defamation saga. I am stunned that he didn't show up. Normally you ask the court's permission for action like that. You dont inform them that you are not showing up. Even in a civil case. I think pbf is looking at the ortiz purse as the money he has to pay manny when he loses the case. Of course I am speculating. I mean dude just didnt show up. It is difficult to understand anything he does. Except for avoiding fight with his toughest opponents, lol.

 

[Zeferino]

Dude. Do you honestly think I care about what you like? Just let it go.

I am looking forward to the next part of this defamation saga. I am stunned that he didn't show up. Normally you ask the court's permission for action like that. You dont inform them that you are not showing up. Even in a civil case. I think pbf is looking at the ortiz purse as the money he has to pay manny when he loses the case. Of course I am speculating. I mean dude just didnt show up. It is difficult to understand anything he does. Except for avoiding fight with his toughest opponents, lol.

I think that observation is very logical and actually very obvious. All you have to do is look at the laundry list of top guys he missed at 147. Some say he's not really scared but that he's just chasing the money. However, he debunked that when he took Baldomir over Margarito for the same money.

 

[Zeferino]

Yet, when constantly asked to present any sign of ducking... Years of talking about ducking and it is all about your opinion of an inactive schedule the leads to the best opponents.

I'm glad that you presented the best that you have.

Yeah. His schedule and his record are the best way to see who he has fought, who he didn't fight, and who he could have fought. His retiring when things got hot and coming back when the division was a wasteland are also obvious and things that actually happened. These are things that actually happened.

VIdeos of Mayweather talking about opponents, spewing racist slurs, and PED accusations that he wasn't even man enough to back up in a deposition is all just fiction. For someone that likes to profess all this stuff about logical arguments (only arguments that you agree with), it's interesting that you base your logic on the baseless words of ignorant people like Mayweather and his ilk. I guess you believe Floyd and his people when they say no negotiations ever took place that last time.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I seriously thought pbf was going to back up his statements with test results, eye witnesses, video edvidence and his word. Instead when it was time to back it up he ducked the hearing. But that is what he does.

Like I said GBP manned up, paid money, and they apologized. Rightfully so. They stood by the cash cow as long as they could. The conrite stuff they said afterwards still was not close to the damage they helped cause.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...ao-wins-round-Floyd-Mayweather-Jnr-fight.html

What is interesting in this article is how they figure pbf missing the hearing will apply financial pressure for pbf to fight manny. I