Palm snithces on Apple about iTunes syncing

[divine]

This shit is getting good!



Palm Reports Apple to USB Compliance Organization Over iTunes Syncing Issues

Friday July 24, 2009 03:13 PM EST; Category: iPhone
Written by Eric Slivka

In a statement made to Digital Daily yesterday, Palm acknowledges firing yet another salvo in the ongoing dispute between Apple and Palm over the Palm Pre's ability to sync iTunes media by emulating an iPod, claiming that it has reported Apple to the USB Implementers Forum for improper use of the Vendor ID used to identify devices using the USB interface."Palm has released webOS 1.1, which, along with offering more robust EAS support for business users, re-enables Palm media sync," said company spokesperson Lynn Fox. "Palm believes that openness and interoperability offer better experiences for users by allowing them the freedom to use the content they own without interference across devices and services, so on behalf of consumers, we have notified the USB Implementers Forum of what we believe is improper use of the Vendor ID number by another member."
Palm's webOS 1.1 update issued yesterday restores the syncing connectivity broken by Apple last week with the release of iTunes 8.2.1.

As PreCentral points out, the move is a bold statement by Palm given the company's apparent misuse of Apple's USB Vendor ID in order to permit iTunes media syncing.I just plugged my 1.1 Pre into my Mac in Media Sync mode and sure enough, it's identifying itself with an Apple USB Vendor ID:

Product ID: 0x8002
Vendor ID: 0x05ac (Apple Inc.)
Version: 0.16
Manufacturer: Palm Inc.
Such use of another manufacturer's Vendor ID is "strictly prohibited" by the USB Implementers Forum:When you apply for a USB Vendor ID, you sign a form that explicitly states that:

"Unauthorized use of assigned or unassigned USB Vendor ID Numbers and associated Product ID Numbers are strictly prohibited."
Based on Palm's actions, it appears that the company believes that Apple's refusal to allow open access to iTunes via USB is a severe enough violation of the relatively open nature of the USB standards that it is willing to violate standards itself in order to work around Apple's restrictions.We can make a guess: USB being a relatively open (albeit opt-in) 'standard,' either Palm thinks it's improper for iTunes to only allow connectivity with certain Vendor IDs. Since they feel they're in the right there, I guess they don't mind wading into the gray area of spoofing another company's USB Vendor ID.

 

[Devilstrider]

 

[ljinsane]

hahahaha I love it.....Apple was on some straight bitch made hater shit for blocking the Pre from synching with iTunes

 

[AwwSchitt]

the move is a bold statement by Palm given the company's apparent misuse of Apple's USB Vendor ID in order to permit iTunes media syncing.

Based on Palm's actions, it appears that the company believes that Apple's refusal to allow open access to iTunes via USB is a severe enough violation of the relatively open nature of the USB standards that it is willing to violate standards itself in order to work around Apple's restrictions.

When it's all said and done I have a feeling this is going to comeback and bite Palm in the ass.

-AS

 

[divine]

niggas better jailbreak their Palm Pre's

 

[ljinsane]

niggas better jailbreak their Palm Pre's

that was stupid...all Palm had to do to circumvent the bullshit was release a small OS update

 

[divine]

and all Apple had to do to break it was to release a small iTunes update. But they were spoofing their device to look like an iPod then they complain Apple plugged that SECURITY HOLE.

that was stupid...all Palm had to do to circumvent the bullshit was release a small OS update

 

[AwwSchitt]

and all Apple had to do to break it was to release a small iTunes update. But they were spoofing their device to look like an iPod then they complain Apple plugged that SECURITY HOLE.

This is why I say it's gonna bite them in the ass. Their spoofing a device and software that you know Apple has patented up the wazoo. It just doesn't make sense to do it.

-AS

 

[MadSkillz]

When it's all said and done I have a feeling this is going to comeback and bite Palm in the ass.

-AS

Exactly.

Palm already breaking laws to get their device using iTunes. This will not end well for Palm. In actuality, Palm should have sought a license to connect to iTunes.

Plus why aren't Pre Owners bitching that they can't use Zune Desktop. Palm gonna report Microsoft?


Look the solution is simple. First Palm should cut their own illegal behavior and come up with their own music syncing app. They don't have to have their own store just an application that allows/affords an easy way to copy on and off music regarding the Pre. Then all the consumer has to do is just buy DRM free music. So if they want to use iTunes as a source for their music, they can because iTunes sells DRM free music.

In an ideal world it would be nice all devices could use iTunes, but people quickly for get how the industry was isolating Apple. Just look at how long it took RIM to announce a Macintosh version of their Blackberry desktop.

The snitching on Apple is obviously trying to make shit personal and it will blow up in Palm's face if this shit continues.

When Adobe pulled some bullshit years ago pulling Adobe Premiere of the Mac, Apple made their own software, you know it as Final Cut Pro or currently called FinalCut Studio, and its a BEAST!!! All of a sudden as it picked up steam in the industry, Adobe rushes back to offer Premire pro for the mac.

Apple don't bitch, they keep it moving and make their own shit.

 

[VWchrisATL]

Palm puttin up a fight!

 

[MadSkillz]

hahahaha I love it.....Apple was on some straight bitch made hater shit for blocking the Pre from synching with iTunes

Its not hating. even gaming developers have to get a license to create games for the PS3 or XBox or Wii. Why doesn't Apple have the right to control there platform. All Pre owners have to do is buy DRM FREE music. But sync through another app. I'm sure there are loads of Apps that can do that.

Palm is going to hurt themselves doing what they are doing right now regarding iTunes. I dare Palm now to emulate the Zune, then lets see what happens

 

[shaddy45]

that was stupid...all Palm had to do to circumvent the bullshit was release a small OS update

 

[MadSkillz]

Also one more thing guys. Why is it that RIMM is advertising they will have syncing with iTunes. How much you wanna bet they are going the legal route and are licensing the ability.

BlackBerry Desktop Software is coming to Mac in September!

With BlackBerry® Desktop Software you'll be able sync your iTunes® playlists and personal information like contacts, tasks and appointments; install new software, games, and more. BlackBerry Desktop Software will offer the best of both worlds by allowing you to manage aspects of your BlackBerry® smartphone from your Mac.

BlackBerry Desktop Software for Mac is coming soon in September. Sign up now to be the first to know when it’s available.


http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/desktop/mac.jsp

 

[thismybgolname]

Pretty funny to me.

Shows that Palm is saying fuck you to Apple and we're coming after a % of your customers.

If I'm a Pre owner I like it.

 

[divine]

Help me out here. Palm is coming after a percentage of Apple customers, by trying to get their customers to buy from the iTunes music store? Am I missing something?

Pretty funny to me.

Shows that Palm is saying fuck you to Apple and we're coming after a % of your customers.

If I'm a Pre owner I like it.

 

[l_sizzle210]

Help me out here. Palm is coming after a percentage of Apple customers, by trying to get their customers to buy from the iTunes music store? Am I missing something?

im pretty sure most of the money made from the itunes store goes to the record companies apple makes the real money on the music player not the music

 

[divine]

Shows that Palm is saying fuck you to Apple and we're coming after a % of your customers.

Help me out here. Palm is coming after a percentage of Apple customers, by trying to get their customers to buy from the iTunes music store? Am I missing something?

im pretty sure most of the money made from the itunes store goes to the record companies apple makes the real money on the music player not the music

So help me out.. how does Palm get a percentage of Apple customers because of that?

 

[thismybgolname]

Help me out here. Palm is coming after a percentage of Apple customers, by trying to get their customers to buy from the iTunes music store? Am I missing something?

Not just the iTunes music store but the only application that the iPhone uses and where the majority of iPhone users have their music (assuming).

 

[l_sizzle210]

So help me out.. how does Palm get a percentage of Apple customers because of that?

not sure about that i was just pointing out that apple makes little if any money off the music. I guess if a customer doesnt have to buy an ipod to utilize the itunes store then in a way it affects apple

 

[divine]

not sure about that i was just pointing out that apple makes little if any money off the music. I guess if a customer doesnt have to buy an ipod to utilize the itunes store then in a way it affects apple

True.. in regards to the music profits or lack thereof. The music store was not built to make a profit, it was built to make the iPod the HUGE seller it is.

However, Apple has the portable music player on lock.. period. People aren't looking for alternatives to the iPod, they want the iPod.

 

[l_sizzle210]

True.. in regards to the music profits or lack thereof. The music store was not built to make a profit, it was built to make the iPod the HUGE seller it is.

However, Apple has the portable music player on lock.. period. People aren't looking for alternatives to the iPod, they want the iPod.

i dont know at one point in time i wanted an ipod touch but i rather have a mobile device that does everything i need im not with att so i couldnt get a iphone soi got the pre which is the next best thing apparently

 

[moneygram]

@ PC Media Catfights. this is some E-Gangsta shit

 

[Joe Money]

Y'all don't get it. YOU CAN'T PLAY SONGS BOUGHT IN ITUNES ON THE PRE!! I have the Pre, and it uses iTunes as its media manager, but it can't play any of the songs bought on iTunes.

 

[moneygram]

Y'all don't get it. YOU CAN'T PLAY SONGS BOUGHT IN ITUNES ON THE PRE!! I have the Pre, and it uses iTunes as its media manager, but it can't play any of the songs bought on iTunes.

ya'll niggaz need to suit up in the war against Apple...................or get a refund

 

[babalou]

Palm is playing with fire on this one by using Apple's USB ID to spoof itself in iTunes. They got caught out there the FIRST time with that shit and Apple patched it up, then they go back and do the same shit again. Palm is wrong in both cases, because they only go apeshit for their device to work in iTunes, but not any other software, like Zune Marketplace.

It's like Pre customers won't fuck with the device unless it can do what the leading mp3 player does, and that's to synch with iTunes.

 

[beof]

Palm is a joke. They wont be around much longer doing this dumb shit.

 

[divine]

No offense, but maybe you don't know what youre doing? That may have been true with older iTunes song, but Apple dropped the DRM music, and offered all users a chance to convert any music they previously purchased that was DRM a chance to convert it to a a DRM-free version. Since that time, any music purchased can be played on any device as long as the device supports that file time.. and if it doesnt you can convert it using any of the free conversion tools.

Y'all don't get it. YOU CAN'T PLAY SONGS BOUGHT IN ITUNES ON THE PRE!! I have the Pre, and it uses iTunes as its media manager, but it can't play any of the songs bought on iTunes.

 

[divine]

ya'll niggaz need to suit up in the war against Apple...................or get a refund

I see you god! knowledge knowledge.

 

[ljinsane]

this whole thread is PERIOD

Palm is doing illegal stuff...REALLY?...uh no playing with a lethal fire? YES

Palm is gonna get sued...this is the end for them...yeah riiiiiiiiiiight

aint SHIT going down this is just a game of whose dick is the biggest PERIOD

If I do get the pre...I dont give a fuck if it can synch with iTunes or not and here's some news to the Apple fan boys...alot of other Pre Owners could care less shit most pre owners I know are rocking Pandora on their shit..fuck a itunes or mp3's on the device...it's not needed...and hell with the blazing internet speeds Sprint has going on..put orb or any other like service on it and it's a fucking wrap for mp3 playing on the device....can't say that for the iphone and the so called crappy carrier it's on...now can we?

it's a NON issue for the majority of Pre owners

only the hardcore techies and fanboy haters care

 

[divine]

I feel ya. I rock Pandora also... but it doesnt let me choose the songs I want to hear and when. I can only skip and "suggest" by artist, genre, etc.

I don't think any of this is "illegal" (unless Apple tries to get creative and claim they are hacking).. on either company's side. If it was, they both have some very bad lawyers advising them.

As far as Palm users not caring about syncing.. that may be true... I have no way of knowing.. but its pretty obvious Palm cares.

this whole thread is PERIOD

Palm is doing illegal stuff...REALLY?...uh no playing with a lethal fire? YES

Palm is gonna get sued...this is the end for them...yeah riiiiiiiiiiight

aint SHIT going down this is just a game of whose dick is the biggest PERIOD

If I do get the pre...I dont give a fuck if it can synch with iTunes or not and here's some news to the Apple fan boys...alot of other Pre Owners could care less shit most pre owners I know are rocking Pandora on their shit..fuck a itunes or mp3's on the device...it's not needed...and hell with the blazing internet speeds Sprint has going on..put orb or any other like service on it and it's a fucking wrap for mp3 playing on the device....can't say that for the iphone and the so called crappy carrier it's on...now can we?

it's a NON issue for the majority of Pre owners

only the hardcore techies and fanboy haters care

 

[Joe Money]

No offense, but maybe you don't know what youre doing? That may have been true with older iTunes song, but Apple dropped the DRM music, and offered all users a chance to convert any music they previously purchased that was DRM a chance to convert it to a a DRM-free version. Since that time, any music purchased can be played on any device as long as the device supports that file time.. and if it doesnt you can convert it using any of the free conversion tools.

No offense taken. I wasn't aware of this at all.

 

[redemption]

Palm is playing with fire on this one by using Apple's USB ID to spoof itself in iTunes. They got caught out there the FIRST time with that shit and Apple patched it up, then they go back and do the same shit again. Palm is wrong in both cases, because they only go apeshit for their device to work in iTunes, but not any other software, like Zune Marketplace.

It's like Pre customers won't fuck with the device unless it can do what the leading mp3 player does, and that's to synch with iTunes.

Co-sign! For Palm to have a legitimate argument here, then this would apply TO EVERY COMPANY not just Apple. This is like you complaining about a neighbor locking their door so you can no longer sneak in when theyre gone to steal their TV LOL.

 

[AgentCreed]

hmmm interestingly android works with itunes and apple does nothing to stop it according to android users(i dont use itunes i just drag and drop)
eitherway i'm rooting for the pre...i own palm stock so anything they can do raise value works for me.

 

[MadSkillz]

Y'all don't get it. YOU CAN'T PLAY SONGS BOUGHT IN ITUNES ON THE PRE!! I have the Pre, and it uses iTunes as its media manager, but it can't play any of the songs bought on iTunes.

Ahem... I'll politely correct you. ITunes sells DRM free music. Which means any device can play music bought on iTunes. What you are not suppose to do is use iTunes to sync on to anything other than an iPod or iPhone.

So all Palm has to do is create a client that can read iTunes Play lists and sync through Palms app.

The Hippocrates on here are being very unreasonable here. Guranteed if it were reverse, Palm would act the same way Apple is defending their own property.

If anyone says different they are lying to themselves. Again I dare Palm to try that with Zune Desktop, and lets see how Microsoft reacts.