Pacquiao prepares for 'no' from Mayweather Jr.

I'm glad you guys are finally starting to see Arum for his bullshit. The guy is the snake of all snakes. Look at what we're talking about on its face. Arum gave Floyd a deadline to sign. Come on now!! He knows for a fact that Floyd will NEVER acquiesce to any demands he puts on him. Who the fuck is Arum to give Floyd a deadline? That in itself will derail the fight. Furthermore, what did Floyd's team supposedly agree to? As far as Arum is concerned, if his cash cow is going to take an L, he's going to make a lot of money in the process by lining him up with his own fighters. If he loses to Floyd, he loses his cash cow AND his pockets aren't as fat.

Agreed. I think Arum is probably quietly hoping Manny takes an L to Cotto in the rematch, setting up a trilogy and Bob will sit back and collect 40%(I believe) of BOTH purses for the next 2 fights. Either that or should Manny beat Cotto again, it'll set up a fight between Pac/Margarito. I know this won't happen, but if I were Floyd, I'd keep quiet, take the fight, keep mum all through the hype and silently make it my business to really embarrass and possibly KO Manny. But that's just me. Floyd's doing him for the money and I've never and will never criticize him for that at least.
 
FRIDAY MAY BE ARUM'S DEADLINE, BUT DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER FROM MAYWEATHER
By Ben Thompson | July 14, 2010

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has given Floyd Mayweather until 11:59 PM on Friday to accept terms for a potential November 13 showdown with Manny Pacquiao. Whether he's referring to Easten Standard Time or Pacific Standard Time remains to be seen, but it won't be too much longer before we find out if Pacquiao will indeed be squaring off against Mayweather or if he will instead move forward with plans to face either Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito. This isn't the first time that such a deadline was set by Arum. In fact, earlier this year, Arum was firm on his position that Monday, January 4, was the final deadline when both sides attempted to negotiate the highly-anticipated megafight the first time around. As we now already know, that deadline came and went, along with a brief period of mediation soon after, before Arum officially declared on January 7 that the fight was off and that Pacquiao would move forward to face Joshua Clottey on March 13.

So here we go again!

It's roughly 6 months later, and not much has changed as far as negotiations are concerned, other than the fact that Pacquiao has agreed to do random blood and urine testing up until 14 days prior to the fight. The 14-day cutoff is a significant concession made by Pacquiao considering that, 6 months ago, it was originally suggested by Team Mayweather before the fight was called off. "Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected," Mayweather would explain in a press release at the time. "I am still proposing the 14-day window, but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30-day cutoff."

Of course, that was then and this is now!

Despite Pacquiao's willingness to now accept the original terms of a 14-day cutoff, Mayweather made it clear in February that the offer was no longer on the table. "I gave him a chance, up to 14 days out, but my new terms are all the way up to the fight. They can come get us whenever, all the way up to the fight, random drug test. That's what it is," Mayweather would tell David Mayo of the Grand Rapids Press shortly after negotiations imploded the first time around. It's unclear as to why Mayweather would change his mind about an offer that he and his team orginally proposed, but change his mind he did, and now, we're all left waiting with bated breath for Floyd's decision before the Friday deadline, a deadline which Team Pacquiao insists must be met in order to "properly promote" a bout which is tentatively scheduled 4 months from now and practically needs no promotion to begin with.

So will he or won't he?

That's what everyone wants to know. Well, I'm here to tell you, I already know the answer - at least I'm pretty sure I know the answer - so let me spare you the stress and anxiety of waiting around to find out. Although Friday may be Arum's deadline, I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer from Mayweather. I've read all the reports, spoken to all of my sources, and from what I can gather, expect Friday's deadline to come and go as quietly as the Y2K Bug. If there's one thing that I've learned during my years covering this sport, it's that when a lawsuit is involved, it's very rare for both parties to still do business together. Forget about the money! Forget about the random blood testing! This fight, whether it happens or not, hinges on the status of Manny Pacquiao's lawsuit against Floyd Mayweather, Richard Schaefer and Oscar De La Hoya.

As long as Golden Boy Promotions still gets a percentage of the promotional rights to Manny Pacquiao, which they currently do according to the settlement they reached with Top Rank back in 2007, rest assured that Bob Arum will continue to persuade Pacquiao to press forward with his lawsuit, hoping to add more ammunition for his own arbitration with Golden Boy to get them to forfeit their interest in Pacquiao's contract. And as long as that lawsuit still exists, rest assured that there won't be any major announcement on Friday from Mayweather, who sources say isn't too eager to do business with someone who's suing him.

So come Saturday morning, when the deadline has come and gone and you're wondering whether or not the biggest fight in boxing has been signed, sealed and delivered, expect Arum to reach out to some of his favorite writers, like Dan Rafael, Lem Satterfield and Kevin Iole, to tell them the exact same thing that he said over six months ago, "Manny accepted what was on the table and Mayweather rejected it. Haymon and Schaefer tried to convince Floyd and he wouldn't agree to it. He didn't want the fight. He never wanted the fight. I always knew the fight wouldn't happen." Just try not to act too suprised when you hear him say it and please, by all means, remember where you heard it first!

And hey, if I'm wrong, that's a good thing, so believe me when I say that I'll be the first to celebrate just how wrong I was.
 
This just in: “Writer, Paul Magno, and Shakira’s representatives come to terms for weekend-long sex romp…Shakira’s approval needed.”

As ridiculous as the above statement sounds, that’s the line of logic that Bob Arum and Team Pacquiao want us to buy when it comes to the alleged negotiations for a November Mayweather-Pacquiao mega-bout.

And now, to make things even more hilariously over the top, Arum has given Mayweather a Friday deadline to sign this alleged contract before Pacquiao turns his attention to other endeavors and other possible opponents.

At this point, though, it needs to be pointed out that nobody outside of Arum and Pacquiao adviser, Michael Koncz, has even acknowledged the existence of any such contract. As a matter of fact, everything we know about the supposed negotiations and subsequent contract has come directly from the mouth of Bob Arum. Golden Boy has said nothing and, as of a few weeks ago, Mayweather adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, denied that there were any negotiations going on at all.

So, what we’re looking at is this: Arum says that negotiations are taking place, but that all details were strictly confidential due to an alleged, self-imposed gag order that, by the way, Arum, Pacquiao and Koncz have regularly broken over the course of the last several weeks. Then, suddenly, a contract is produced for Mayweather to sign and, on this contract, are the conditions allegedly hammered-out in the Arum-Golden Boy-Mayweather negotiations which, again, nobody will even acknowledge. And, now, Mayweather is issued a deadline to sign this supposed contract.

The questions that any smart fight fan should be asking are the following: If negotiations have been completed and a finalized contract produced from said negotiations, why didn’t Golden Boy join Arum in announcing the completed and finalized talks? For that matter, why was Golden Boy put into such a high position when it came to negotiations when they are not Mayweather’s promoter? Golden Boy is a third party hired by Mayweather Promotions to act as a go-between on occasion, but they would not have been negotiating if not contracted to do so by Team Mayweather. So, logically, Golden Boy could not have hammered out any deals or agreed on any conditions without the full knowledge of Mayweather. Why would there even be a need for Mayweather to sign-off on anything? Golden Boy couldn’t have acted on any terms without Mayweather’s ultimate approval.

Sorry, but when being asked to take sides in a “he said vs. he said” debate, I’m not going to automatically believe an admitted liar and confessed briber of officials. The only reasonable way to remove all doubt is if Arum decided to make copies of the alleged contract in question and send them to the media or post a copy of the contract, in full form, on the Top Rank website for all to see. Then, and only then, we can find out what’s really going on here. After all, if both parties are in agreement over the finalized contract, there should be no problem from either side when it comes to sharing the contract with the world. The details will eventually be made public anyway via the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

We all know that the above won’t happen, but it sure would go a long way in terms of establishing credibility on this issue, wouldn’t it?

Forget the garbage propaganda published on other sites and by other writers. Forget any personal dislike you may have for Floyd Mayweather Jr and let’s use some logic here. The story that Arum and Team Pacquiao are trying to sell us just doesn’t make sense. And until the alleged negotiations and contracts are substantiated by a source other than Bob Arum, Top Rank or Team Pacquiao, they should be regarded as nothing more than a pathetically cynical hype job aimed at saving face at the expense of another man’s reputation.
 
lol, if pbf takes this fight I will be blown away.

Blown away the same way you were when he took the Mosley fight right? I'm sure as revisionist history would have it, you never doubted he'd take that fight and beat Shane huh? GTFOH!!!
 
Blown away the same way you were when he took the Mosley fight right? I'm sure as revisionist history would have it, you never doubted he'd take that fight and beat Shane huh? GTFOH!!!

Huh? Those two were both gb fighters, I never doubted them fighting or using that drug testing bs for the fight either. If you are going be lame at least be correct and lame.
 
This just in: “Writer, Paul Magno, and Shakira’s representatives come to terms for weekend-long sex romp…Shakira’s approval needed.”

The story that Arum and Team Pacquiao are trying to sell us just doesn’t make sense. And until the alleged negotiations and contracts are substantiated by a source other than Bob Arum, Top Rank or Team Pacquiao, they should be regarded as nothing more than a pathetically cynical hype job aimed at saving face at the expense of another man’s reputation.


If something like this were printed about Shakira, and it wasn't true, her or her representatives would come forward and say something.

Mayweather has many fans that go to great lengths to protect him but he seems to go to great lengths to express that he doesn't give a fuck. He still hasn't said a word in all of this and I guess that we should just assume that he is telling the truth about something even though he hasn't said anything. As far as the whole deadline thing, I don't see what the big deal is. If Mayweather is one of Pacquiao's options to fight and vice versa, I don't see why any guy should just sit down and wait for the other guy to come around with no deadline in site. Neither guy is getting any younger.

At least Arum is giving us something to speculate on. For all we know, Mayweather already retired again. I don't think his heart is in the sport.
 
If something like this were printed about Shakira, and it wasn't true, her or her representatives would come forward and say something.

Mayweather has many fans that go to great lengths to protect him but he seems to go to great lengths to express that he doesn't give a fuck. He still hasn't said a word in all of this and I guess that we should just assume that he is telling the truth about something even though he hasn't said anything. As far as the whole deadline thing, I don't see what the big deal is. If Mayweather is one of Pacquiao's options to fight and vice versa, I don't see why any guy should just sit down and wait for the other guy to come around with no deadline in site. Neither guy is getting any younger.

At least Arum is giving us something to speculate on. For all we know, Mayweather already retired again. I don't think his heart is in the sport.

Basically
 
I don't blame Arum. All he has is Pac and it is solely business for Arum and promoters in general. until boxing gets rid of them, it will always be fucked.

I blame Arum for his actions and his pettiness. Fuck him.


I'm glad you guys are finally starting to see Arum for his bullshit. The guy is the snake of all snakes. Look at what we're talking about on its face. Arum gave Floyd a deadline to sign. Come on now!! He knows for a fact that Floyd will NEVER acquiesce to any demands he puts on him. Who the fuck is Arum to give Floyd a deadline? That in itself will derail the fight. Furthermore, what did Floyd's team supposedly agree to? As far as Arum is concerned, if his cash cow is going to take an L, he's going to make a lot of money in the process by lining him up with his own fighters. If he loses to Floyd, he loses his cash cow AND his pockets aren't as fat.

:yes::yes:
Some of us have seen it all along. Now I want to see if the boxing media will call him out on it.

If something like this were printed about Shakira, and it wasn't true, her or her representatives would come forward and say something.

Mayweather has many fans that go to great lengths to protect him but he seems to go to great lengths to express that he doesn't give a fuck. He still hasn't said a word in all of this and I guess that we should just assume that he is telling the truth about something even though he hasn't said anything. As far as the whole deadline thing, I don't see what the big deal is. If Mayweather is one of Pacquiao's options to fight and vice versa, I don't see why any guy should just sit down and wait for the other guy to come around with no deadline in site. Neither guy is getting any younger.

At least Arum is giving us something to speculate on. For all we know, Mayweather already retired again. I don't think his heart is in the sport.


So the idea of not negotiating in the press, as both parties agreed to, and Arum going back on that means nothing to you? Clearly Floyd Mayweather isn't the only one who doesn't give a fuck. If Bob Arum truly wanted this fight, he would stick to the mutually agreed upon conditions. Instead, not only is he doing exactly the thing that helped derail the fight last year, he's now put out a very public deadline. You don't see a problem with this (you too, buk)?
Mayweather, Schaefer, and Ellerbe have held up their end and if Arum said them to in private about wanting to keep the November date, that would be a strong consideration, especially with the Mayweather/GB team probably wanting to get it in the same calendar year as the Mayweather-Mosely fight.
Arum trying to fuck this up and I don't see much of the boxing press calling this spade a spade.
 
I blame Arum for his actions and his pettiness. Fuck him.




:yes::yes:
Some of us have seen it all along. Now I want to see if the boxing media will call him out on it.




So the idea of not negotiating in the press, as both parties agreed to, and Arum going back on that means nothing to you? Clearly Floyd Mayweather isn't the only one who doesn't give a fuck. If Bob Arum truly wanted this fight, he would stick to the mutually agreed upon conditions. Instead, not only is he doing exactly the thing that helped derail the fight last year, he's now put out a very public deadline. You don't see a problem with this (you too, buk)?
Mayweather, Schaefer, and Ellerbe have held up their end and if Arum said them to in private about wanting to keep the November date, that would be a strong consideration, especially with the Mayweather/GB team probably wanting to get it in the same calendar year as the Mayweather-Mosely fight.
Arum trying to fuck this up and I don't see much of the boxing press calling this spade a spade.

You have some of the more hardcore boxing outlets calling Arum out on his bullshit. But you have the ESPN ditto heads, I just watched a segment of Around the Horn and each one of those dudes said Floyd is scared of Pac. They're all casual boxing fans and they're buying into that nonsense.
 
You have some of the more hardcore boxing outlets calling Arum out on his bullshit. But you have the ESPN ditto heads, I just watched a segment of Around the Horn and each one of those dudes said Floyd is scared of Pac. They're all casual boxing fans and they're buying into that nonsense.

ESPN is the worst.... those motherfuckers are terrible.
 
I blame Arum for his actions and his pettiness. Fuck him.




:yes::yes:
Some of us have seen it all along. Now I want to see if the boxing media will call him out on it.




So the idea of not negotiating in the press, as both parties agreed to, and Arum going back on that means nothing to you? Clearly Floyd Mayweather isn't the only one who doesn't give a fuck. If Bob Arum truly wanted this fight, he would stick to the mutually agreed upon conditions. Instead, not only is he doing exactly the thing that helped derail the fight last year, he's now put out a very public deadline. You don't see a problem with this (you too, buk)?
Mayweather, Schaefer, and Ellerbe have held up their end and if Arum said them to in private about wanting to keep the November date, that would be a strong consideration, especially with the Mayweather/GB team probably wanting to get it in the same calendar year as the Mayweather-Mosely fight.
Arum trying to fuck this up and I don't see much of the boxing press calling this spade a spade.

It's clear Arum is on some bullshit with the public negotiations, but if he doesn't want the fight I understand from the business end of it. If you think Arum ever cared about the boxing part of it, you are misguided. He is like Don King and the rest of them, protect your cash cow and make the spectacle around the fight more important than the fight. Tyson would still be fighting bums with the title if they didn't under estimate Holyfield IMO.
 
You have some of the more hardcore boxing outlets calling Arum out on his bullshit. But you have the ESPN ditto heads, I just watched a segment of Around the Horn and each one of those dudes said Floyd is scared of Pac. They're all casual boxing fans and they're buying into that nonsense.

That's why I get no boxing news from ESPN. When Max Kellerman left, that was it for them and any real boxing news.
 
I blame Arum for his actions and his pettiness. Fuck him.




:yes::yes:
Some of us have seen it all along. Now I want to see if the boxing media will call him out on it.




So the idea of not negotiating in the press, as both parties agreed to, and Arum going back on that means nothing to you? Clearly Floyd Mayweather isn't the only one who doesn't give a fuck. If Bob Arum truly wanted this fight, he would stick to the mutually agreed upon conditions. Instead, not only is he doing exactly the thing that helped derail the fight last year, he's now put out a very public deadline. You don't see a problem with this (you too, buk)?
Mayweather, Schaefer, and Ellerbe have held up their end and if Arum said them to in private about wanting to keep the November date, that would be a strong consideration, especially with the Mayweather/GB team probably wanting to get it in the same calendar year as the Mayweather-Mosely fight.
Arum trying to fuck this up and I don't see much of the boxing press calling this spade a spade.

Well, yes, if both sides agreed to not negotiate in the press then certain actions would not be cool. I'm not sure if telling the press that there's a deadline would rise to the level of negotiating in the press. To me this is quite different from what happened in the first negotiations where the press was advised about the $10 million per pound penalty for weighing in over the limit, drug tests, going back and forth over whose gonna do the drug test, will it be 14 days, will it be 30 days, etc. In this situation, from what I've seen, Arum basically said we have a deadline and if the fight's not made by then we'll move on. I don't see that as actually negotiating in the press. It looks like they've already negotiated and they're just stating that the deadline for the approval of the negotiations is Friday. At least that's what I get from this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5376931
 
So, Mayweather won't sign for what reason exactly again? Can someone enlighten me?

No one knows because he hasn't stated anything. Maybe he's just waiting for the deadline to sign just to create suspense and keep the people hype about the fight. This seems very similar to when he signed to fight Mosley. He was very quiet leading up to the deadline but in the end he signed. Schaefer told the press the fight was in trouble because Mayweather wouldn't sign, etc. Remember this?:http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/2/2/1289892/mayweather-still-hasnt-signed-to
 
So, Mayweather won't sign for what reason exactly again? Can someone enlighten me?

He won't say because everything is supposed to be behind closed doors until the two sides have contracts signed. One side apparently has thrown that out.

Well, yes, if both sides agreed to not negotiate in the press then certain actions would not be cool. I'm not sure if telling the press that there's a deadline would rise to the level of negotiating in the press. To me this is quite different from what happened in the first negotiations where the press was advised about the $10 million per pound penalty for weighing in over the limit, drug tests, going back and forth over whose gonna do the drug test, will it be 14 days, will it be 30 days, etc. In this situation, from what I've seen, Arum basically said we have a deadline and if the fight's not made by then we'll move on. I don't see that as actually negotiating in the press. It looks like they've already negotiated and they're just stating that the deadline for the approval of the negotiations is Friday. At least that's what I get from this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5376931


Okay. After that kind of rationalization, you should give up the fingerpointing of "Mayweather defenders" as if you are an objective observer. Arum is clearly trying to sabotage this fight. What's the difference between now when he says Pacquiao's signed off on everything and when Mayweather said the same thing last year? This fight isn't done until it's done and Arum knows that. If he didn't have two other options, both more winnable fights for his (main) guy, he wouldn't be working so hard to undermine it.
 
He won't say because everything is supposed to be behind closed doors until the two sides have contracts signed. One side apparently has thrown that out.




Okay. After that kind of rationalization, you should give up the fingerpointing of "Mayweather defenders" as if you are an objective observer. Arum is clearly trying to sabotage this fight. What's the difference between now when he says Pacquiao's signed off on everything and when Mayweather said the same thing last year? This fight isn't done until it's done and Arum knows that. If he didn't have two other options, both more winnable fights for his (main) guy, he wouldn't be working so hard to undermine it.


I think I'm the most objective observer because all I want to see is the fight. I really don't care about who said what or anything about the negotiation process. I'm not privy to what goes on behind closed doors in those negotiations so I think a lot of the speculation and Arum hating on this is baseless and frankly a waste of time.

Regarding your question about what's the difference between him saying Pac signed off on everything and Mayweather saying the same last year, there is no difference. I don't see what your point is with that.
 
I think I'm the most objective observer because all I want to see is the fight. I really don't care about who said what or anything about the negotiation process. I'm not privy to what goes on behind closed doors in those negotiations so I think a lot of the speculation and Arum hating on this is baseless and frankly a waste of time.

Regarding your question about what's the difference between him saying Pac signed off on everything and Mayweather saying the same last year, there is no difference. I don't see what your point is with that.

You say that like the rest of us want to see the fight less than you. Your objectivity is highly questionable because you seem to only call "bullshit" on one side but seem overeager to let it slide from the other. Which is fine but at least own it.

If you want to see the fight you should want both sides to stick to the "no negotiating in the press" pledge. To jump out and make the claims he's made is doing exactly what they pledged to not do.
My point is (I thought I made it but I'll do so again)we are precisely where we were last year except with the roles reversed. The fight didn't happen. So one side claiming to have signed off doesn't mean we're any closer to the fight happening than the day before. Arum doesn't make it more likely it's going to get made but less likely and that's the purpose.
 
One thing, I am definitely not an overall fan of Floyd, but I do have immense respect for his talents. In this situation though, silence doesn't always mean guilt, or fear, or posturing, etc. The truth is, Arum is the one doing all the talking, and who knows what percentage of what is says is based on truth, or if he is telling the complete story. I'm not even hearing much from Manny directly or anyone in his camp, just the periodic statements when questioned, etc.

As far as the negotiations go, Arum knows his history with Floyd and to give him an ultimatum is a definite slap in his face. I do believe there was some truth to an earlier post that Arum was indirectly trying to derail this fight, with this foolish posturing. If he can milk Manny for a Marquez fight, maybe a fight against whomever emerges out of the 140lbs confusion, then finish off with a Margarito or Cotto, which are both winnable fights, there are millions more to be made... Floyd is a definite threat to his cash cow, so to paint Floyd as a coward or as an irrational negotiator, is far for the course for Arum.

I believe the fight will happen, don't know if it will be the next fight for either of them, but, Arum needs to chill and Manny needs to take back some control of his career before Arum fucks it up for him and the Boxing public.
 
One thing, I am definitely not an overall fan of Floyd, but I do have immense respect for his talents. In this situation though, silence doesn't always mean guilt, or fear, or posturing, etc. The truth is, Arum is the one doing all the talking, and who knows what percentage of what is says is based on truth, or if he is telling the complete story. I'm not even hearing much from Manny directly or anyone in his camp, just the periodic statements when questioned, etc.

As far as the negotiations go, Arum knows his history with Floyd and to give him an ultimatum is a definite slap in his face. I do believe there was some truth to an earlier post that Arum was indirectly trying to derail this fight, with this foolish posturing. If he can milk Manny for a Marquez fight, maybe a fight against whomever emerges out of the 140lbs confusion, then finish off with a Margarito or Cotto, which are both winnable fights, there are millions more to be made... Floyd is a definite threat to his cash cow, so to paint Floyd as a coward or as an irrational negotiator, is far for the course for Arum.

I believe the fight will happen, don't know if it will be the next fight for either of them, but, Arum needs to chill and Manny needs to take back some control of his career before Arum fucks it up for him and the Boxing public.


Forget Marquez. As a GB fighter, it's already been stated they'd expect him to take the same random blood testing.
I don't see this "deadline" doing anything but making the fight less likely, not more.
 
You say that like the rest of us want to see the fight less than you. Your objectivity is highly questionable because you seem to only call "bullshit" on one side but seem overeager to let it slide from the other. Which is fine but at least own it.

If you want to see the fight you should want both sides to stick to the "no negotiating in the press" pledge. To jump out and make the claims he's made is doing exactly what they pledged to not do.
My point is (I thought I made it but I'll do so again)we are precisely where we were last year except with the roles reversed. The fight didn't happen. So one side claiming to have signed off doesn't mean we're any closer to the fight happening than the day before. Arum doesn't make it more likely it's going to get made but less likely and that's the purpose.

I'm not calling "bullshit" on any side. All I'm saying is one side is talking and one side isn't. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors in those negotiations and I really don't care so much that I have to come up with conspiracy theories and all that other stuff. As a fan, I choose to make the issue less complicated for myself.

Also, to me, Arum is not negotiating in the press by simply stating that there is a deadline for the negotiations and if it is not met other options will be pursued. That's where we differ in opinion. Apparently, just because we differ regarding that, I'm not objective, I only call bullshit on one side, etc.

Also, if you don't know what's actually going on in the negotiation process, how can you say that Arum's actions make the fight less likely to happen? You don't know if his actions might make the fight happen quicker. You don't know if Mayweather's rep is gonna be like, "oh shit, we got a make a decision on this or else we're gonna lose the fight." That may or may not be the response but my point is, unless you, Upgrade Dave, are in those negotiations, you don't have any basis for telling me that I'm wrong because all of this shit is just speculation anyway.

As I responded to the other guy, Mayweather took long to sign against Mosley and Schaefer was releasing stuff in the press talking about he was frustrated with Mayweather, maybe Mayweather is scared, etc. However, Mayweather eventually signed anyway. That's why, I don't get caught up in all this he said she said, Arum's a liar, he doing this he's doing that. Just sit back and if both fighters really want the fight, it'll happen.
 
I get it now by creating a deadline to either take what's on the table or call the fight off... Arum is not negotiating at all in the press. These niggas cleared it up for me. :smh:

Its all negotiations.
 
To me it is simple. manny wants to fight. However if he doesn't make a decision soon he loses out on the chance to fight when he wants. I think it is more than fair giving dude a deadline. He can't wait until pbf decides yes or no to the fight. Manny has to do what is best for him.

It is no different to pbf saying he wants a blood test for the fight. He fight has to do what they think is best for their career. Pbf had an opportunity to fight manny twice. The first time was when he couldn't wait one day to see if manny beat hatton. But instead declared he would fight jmm two weight classes higher. The we all know the blood test and steroids accusations that killed the second opportunity.

To me it is clear he doesn't want to fight manny. I will be shocked if he says yes.
 
To me it is simple. manny wants to fight. However if he doesn't make a decision soon he loses out on the chance to fight when he wants. I think it is more than fair giving dude a deadline. He can't wait until pbf decides yes or no to the fight. Manny has to do what is best for him.

It is no different to pbf saying he wants a blood test for the fight. He fight has to do what they think is best for their career. Pbf had an opportunity to fight manny twice. The first time was when he couldn't wait one day to see if manny beat hatton. But instead declared he would fight jmm two weight classes higher. The we all know the blood test and steroids accusations that killed the second opportunity.

To me it is clear he doesn't want to fight manny. I will be shocked if he says yes.

I'm not against the deadline... I get it, but why bring it to the press if both sides said no talking? It is obvious... deadlines are negotiation tools off top, but it is a bigger negotiation tool if everyone knows about it.
 
I get it now by creating a deadline to either take what's on the table or call the fight off... Arum is not negotiating at all in the press. These niggas cleared it up for me. :smh:

Its all negotiations.

No, simply creating a deadline to take what's on the table or call the fight off does not equate negotiating with the press. Do you really think the first time that Mayweather's team heard about the deadline was through the press? If it was, then you're right, it would be negotiating through the press.

Negotiating in the press is what happened last time. You know, coming out to the press and declaring that the negotiations have stalled because the other guy is a PED user and won't agree to drug testing. Then going back and forth about what drug testing methods should be used and doing this via the press. Also, Mayweather's team discussing specific details of a negotiation with the press like 14 day windows for drug testing or 30 day windows, etc.

Negotiating in the press is NOT simply informing the press that the deadline to close a deal is on a specific date.
 
No, simply creating a deadline to take what's on the table or call the fight off does not equate negotiating with the press. Do you really think the first time that Mayweather's team heard about the deadline was through the press? If it was, then you're right, it would be negotiating through the press.

Negotiating in the press is what happened last time. You know, coming out to the press and declaring that the negotiations have stalled because the other guy is a PED user and won't agree to drug testing. Then going back and forth about what drug testing methods should be used and doing this via the press. Also, Mayweather's team discussing specific details of a negotiation with the press like 14 day windows for drug testing or 30 day windows, etc.

Negotiating in the press is NOT simply informing the press that the deadline to close a deal is on a specific date.

Bringing the deadline to the press whether Floyd knew beforehand or not is indeed still a negotiating tactic. He's basically trying to pressure Floyd to sign a contract he doesn't agree with by putting the media pressure on him. Coming out to the press saying, Manny has agreed to "everything" and Floyd has to sign by this date or else we're moving on is absolutely a negotiating tactic. This causes the media to stalk Floyd and say "what's up floyd? what's up now? you scared? manny agreed to all your demands, sign the contract".... media PRESSURE is a negotiation tactic.
 
Bringing the deadline to the press whether Floyd knew beforehand or not is indeed still a negotiating tactic. He's basically trying to pressure Floyd to sign a contract he doesn't agree with by putting the media pressure on him. Coming out to the press saying, Manny has agreed to "everything" and Floyd has to sign by this date or else we're moving on is absolutely a negotiating tactic. This causes the media to stalk Floyd and say "what's up floyd? what's up now? you scared? manny agreed to all your demands, sign the contract".... media PRESSURE is a negotiation tactic.

common sense.... :yes:
 
Bringing the deadline to the press whether Floyd knew beforehand or not is indeed still a negotiating tactic. He's basically trying to pressure Floyd to sign a contract he doesn't agree with by putting the media pressure on him. Coming out to the press saying, Manny has agreed to "everything" and Floyd has to sign by this date or else we're moving on is absolutely a negotiating tactic. This causes the media to stalk Floyd and say "what's up floyd? what's up now? you scared? manny agreed to all your demands, sign the contract".... media PRESSURE is a negotiation tactic.

A negotiating tactic and actual negotiating in the press are two different things. The talk about a deadline can cause the media to stalk Floyd and pressure him to agree to what was already negotiated. In other words, the fight was already negotiated. No negotiation in the press is going on. Arum is saying the deadline to agree to the negotiation via signature is X date.

How do you know Floyd doesn't agree with what the contract says? He took long to sign the contract with Mosley too even though he apparently agreed with it.

If Floyd's people agreed that Arum's actions have been tantamount to "negotiating in the press", I think they would have said something by now. I have a feeling Floyd's going to agree to the fight and you guys are getting your panties up in a bunch for no reason. All this he said she said and the conspiracy theories about Arum are silly.
 
So "negotiating in the press" is Floyd's "I dont wanna take blood tests because it weakens me"?

:smh:
 
A negotiating tactic and actual negotiating in the press are two different things. The talk about a deadline can cause the media to stalk Floyd and pressure him to agree to what was already negotiated. In other words, the fight was already negotiated. No negotiation in the press is going on. Arum is saying the deadline to agree to the negotiation via signature is X date.

How do you know Floyd doesn't agree with what the contract says? He took long to sign the contract with Mosley too even though he apparently agreed with it.

If Floyd's people agreed that Arum's actions have been tantamount to "negotiating in the press", I think they would have said something by now. I have a feeling Floyd's going to agree to the fight and you guys are getting your panties up in a bunch for no reason. All this he said she said and the conspiracy theories about Arum are silly.

With all due respect, I think your apathy toward the whole situation doesn't allow you to see Bob Arum for who he really is. You give him too much credit... For the record, I don't think Floyd will agree to fight for no reason other than the fact that there's a good chance Roger Mayweather may get convicted next month and have to do a few months in prison. I think that is really what Floyd is waiting on.
 
With all due respect, I think your apathy toward the whole situation doesn't allow you to see Bob Arum for who he really is. You give him too much credit... For the record, I don't think Floyd will agree to fight for no reason other than the fact that there's a good chance Roger Mayweather may get convicted next month and have to do a few months in prison. I think that is really what Floyd is waiting on.

Maybe you're right.
 
Arum sounds suspect (as all ways) I'm for bringing in mediators when the situation calls for but no direct contact has been made with, Haymon, Ellerbe or Scheaffer per Arum's word, so communication has only been done with HBO sports president. Arum gave the distinct impression that talks had been held with GBP.
 
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