Opinion: Bitcoin, Ether and other cryptocurrencies may be seeing the beginning of the end

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Opinion: Bitcoin, Ether and other cryptocurrencies may be seeing the beginning of the end
Published: Sept 7, 2017 10:12 a.m. ET
Risks are rising after warnings from U.S., Chinese regulators
So you’ve made a ton of money from bitcoin, Ether and other cryptocurrencies. Sure, they’ve defied the doomsayers time and again. Which likely makes this week’s shocking plunge in bitcoin and Ether just another buying opportunity. That’s where you may be wrong.

The sudden Chinese crackdown on the virtual coin fundraising of bitcoinBTCUSD, -0.71% and other cryptocurrencies that caused the plunge is either the end of the beginning for the crypto-party — or, more likely, the beginning of the end. If you’re holding cryptocurrencies today, remember that no matter how much money you think you’ve made, you haven’t made a nickel until you’ve cashed it out.

And you might want to think twice, or even thrice, about the rising risks.

China took steps on Monday to stop “initial coin offerings” or ICOs. These are the crypto-bubble equivalent of the infamous IPOs during the late 1990s dot-com mania.

Additionally, Hong Kong’s regulator warned that cryptocurrencies may be securities for legal purposes and that these ICOs may be subject to securities laws— echoing similar rumblings from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

This isn’t just a passing cloud. This is potentially a big deal. Blockchain technology may be as amazing as its proponents claim. But translating that into a financial mania for cryptocurrencies depends on some huge, and flawed assumptions. First among them: the idea that governments are just going to sit idly by and let cryptocurrencies flourish.

Sure, cryptocurrencies could be used by all sorts of lovely people for all sorts of lovely things. But shadow, unregulated currencies can also be used by say, tax evaders, drug dealers, money launderers and other criminals.

Oh, yeah, and terrorists. Who’d a thought it?

You see, after 9/11 there was a massive international crackdown of financial regulation around the world, including intense pressure on jurisdictions which had previously turned a blind eye to shadow finance and money laundering.

It is possible, but extremely unlikely, that financial regulators worldwide are going to wait for another 9/11 to do this again.

When these cryptocurrencies were small, it didn’t matter. But last week their total market value hit $150 billion and this number has been heading up. Do you think governments are going to be okay with a $150 billion financial network that can be used by anyone outside of any oversight? How about $300 billion? Or $3 trillion?

It makes no serious sense. In other words, cryptocurrencies lack precisely the supposed unlimited upside that speculators dream about. The only way we are ever looking at so-called “blue sky” valuations is if the governments of the world all lose their collective minds.

And as for those cryptocurrency fans and their libertarian fantasies: If you think bitcoin or Ether or whatever is somehow beyond government control because it is so decentralized across so many different computers, think again. Governments may not be able to shut down all the servers, but they don’t have to. They can in theory ban people and companies under their jurisdiction from buying, selling, trading, or holding these things. Governments can make your cryptocurrencies unconvertible into anything useful.

Don’t forget, the U.S. government successfully bigfooted online poker companies a decade ago, even though those operated from outside any U.S. jurisdiction. Cryptocurrencies are no safer.

Those speculating on cyber currencies have now received warnings from the financial regulators of the world's two biggest economies. This looks very much like something coordinated. Regulators do not want to ban something without any warning. If they did, they'd risk hurting many mom and pop investors who are naively taking part. A series of escalating warnings, as we are seeing now, leaves the innocent fewer excuses.

There were signs on Tuesday that crypto fans are betting that this, too, will pass. Currencies and tokens bounced sharply after the selloff. And while bitcoin now is well-below its peak of almost $5,000 hit last weekend, it’s still up a storming 35% over the past month.

Crypto-mania may continue for now. Traders will be watching the charts to see how the trends develop. But the long-term investment story looks like another matter. The risks are rising.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bi...be-seeing-the-beginning-of-the-end-2017-09-06
 
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I keep telling Africans, cash out and show me the value of your "wins"/"profits". Show me what tangible investments that you can make after cashing out.

Am waiting...
 
I keep telling Africans, cash out and show me the value of your "wins"/"profits". Show me what tangible investments that you can make after cashing out.

Am waiting...
Sir on the side and wait then. That's your way anyway. You don't DO anything.

Still hurting from all the years that I showed you how your logic in regard to the African global experience is flawed ....:D
 
Oh god I hope this becomes a trend so that it drops aoow I can BUY WAY MORE. Spread this article around PLEASE

Exactly. Meanwhile, Chinese are building bitcoin mining operations on U.S. soil and manipulating the market. Japan is going into bitcoin mining. Russia wants to subsidize the electrical cost. Whoever wrote that article seems to have no clue about blockchain technology. Shit is being built on top of Ethereum. Things that don't have shit to do with money transfer are being built on Ethereum.

Fools don't see what's going on. Russia, Hong Kong, and the U.S. want to classify SOME cryptos as securities. That means 'qualified investors' in some cases. In Russia, that means you need to have $100,000 in your account to get in the game. Basically, joe average better cop now or be left on the outside looking in.

The 'legit' bitcoin fund that investors can buy is twice the price of buying bitcoin yourself. These wallstreet types want to eat.

Japan is already cool on crypto. Local governments in Europe starting to take it for taxes. U.S. isn't about to ban bitcoin, just make it harder for 'joe average' to make money off the cryptomarket.
 
I keep telling Africans, cash out and show me the value of your "wins"/"profits". Show me what tangible investments that you can make after cashing out.

Am waiting...


Still hurting from all the years that I showed you how your logic in regard to the African global experience is flawed ....:D

What is it you're waiting for? Bank account statements? :eek: Cats on this very board are getting money off this and you're waiting. :smh: There's thread with hundreds of pages with cats talking about entry and exit positions, but you're waiting. Openly talking wins and losses. Cats cashing out thousands through coinbase, bitstamp, Kraken, and so on, but you're waiting.

Keep waiting.
 
I keep telling Africans, cash out and show me the value of your "wins"/"profits". Show me what tangible investments that you can make after cashing out.

Am waiting...

man you're so in the dark its crazy
you should be in this shit cause it could deliver true equality.
money that can't be controlled by racism/white supremacy
you of all ppl should be all in
 
Exactly. Meanwhile, Chinese are building bitcoin mining operations on U.S. soil and manipulating the market. Japan is going into bitcoin mining. Russia wants to subsidize the electrical cost. Whoever wrote that article seems to have no clue about blockchain technology. Shit is being built on top of Ethereum. Things that don't have shit to do with money transfer are being built on Ethereum.

Fools don't see what's going on. Russia, Hong Kong, and the U.S. want to classify SOME cryptos as securities. That means 'qualified investors' in some cases. In Russia, that means you need to have $100,000 in your account to get in the game. Basically, joe average better cop now or be left on the outside looking in.

The 'legit' bitcoin fund that investors can buy is twice the price of buying bitcoin yourself. These wallstreet types want to eat.

Japan is already cool on crypto. Local governments in Europe starting to take it for taxes. U.S. isn't about to ban bitcoin, just make it harder for 'joe average' to make money off the cryptomarket.

and its too late.
i done learned the game
once it hit you that 1 of something could be worth $20
its like damn.
 
What is it you're waiting for? Bank account statements? :eek: Cats on this very board are getting money off this and you're waiting. :smh: There's thread with hundreds of pages with cats talking about entry and exit positions, but you're waiting. Openly talking wins and losses. Cats cashing out thousands through coinbase, bitstamp, Kraken, and so on, but you're waiting.

Keep waiting.

context of ignorance/personal stupidity...
 
What is it you're waiting for? Bank account statements? :eek: Cats on this very board are getting money off this and you're waiting. :smh: There's thread with hundreds of pages with cats talking about entry and exit positions, but you're waiting. Openly talking wins and losses. Cats cashing out thousands through coinbase, bitstamp, Kraken, and so on, but you're waiting.

Keep waiting.
Shhhhhhhh. We NEED people like him. Whos gonna clean our toilets?
 
whoever wrote that is either really naive as to what crypto currency is all about, or he is just tryin to wage a scare campaign...

he has zero idea that govt retaliation is expected...

its the reason why the so....

man let me just keep quiet....

Im just gonna say, for the govt to try and stop it, will be playing right into the hands of the crypto currency world..

they may contain it, but they will never stop it...

old money is shittin bricks....

an even financial playing field scares the bejesus out them..

and rightfully so..
 
whoever wrote that is either really naive as to what crypto currency is all about, or he is just tryin to wage a scare campaign...

he has zero idea that govt retaliation is expected...
Yeah that snooty looking creep is a huge proliferator of FUD. I looked up some of his past articles.
This is one of the few times I can say the cliché "laughing all the way to the bank" fits my current mood perfectly :giggle:
 
Yeah that snooty looking creep is a huge proliferator of FUD. I looked up some of his past articles.
This is one of the few times I can say the cliché "laughing all the way to the bank" fits my current mood perfectly :giggle:

so many dudes living large because they have the patience and focus to do their homework,

pick the right coins and incorporate that patience and not get shook, by the constant fluctuations...

I really hope this article gets around and causes paranoia amongst the crypto currency community..

because if it does.. Im takin out a loan and going in hard.... no homo..
 
so many dudes living large because they have the patience and focus to do their homework,

pick the right coins and incorporate that patience and not get shook, by the constant fluctuations...

this experience has been an interesting lesson on how ppl make money...lose money and just completely miss out on money...for example when I flirted w/ stock trading...I used to always wonder "who" were those ppl who would always buy high...after taking a couple L's early on in this crypto shit I now understand lol
 
this experience has been an interesting lesson on how ppl make money...lose money and just completely miss out on money...for example when I flirted w/ stock trading...I used to always wonder "who" were those ppl who would always buy high...after taking a couple L's early on in this crypto shit I now understand lol

hey live and learn, but stocks are so full of shit, you got folks who can legally get inside information

and make millions of dollars with zero risk, while everybody else has to play by the rules...

banking industry is shook because with folks worldwide losing faith in the u.s dollar, they know alternative like crypto currency could put a nail in the coffin...

the more untraceable the coins are the more they are going to be worth..

bankin industry is fuckin up by takin its time with ripple

they have a chance on convincing people to use traceable crypto currency but the more people lose faith in them the more they will head towards untraceable cryptcoins...

the moneros, dash, zcoin..

and dont count out xvg.......
 
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hey live and learn, but stocks are so full of shit, you got folks who can legally get inside information

and make millions of dollars with zero risk, while everybody else has to play by the rules...

banking industry is shook because with folks worldwide losing faith in the u.s dollar, they know alternative like crypto currency could put a nail in the coffin...

the more untraceable the coins are the more they are going to be worth..

bankin industry is fuckin up by takin its time with ripple

they have a chance on convincing people to use traceable crypto currency but the more people lose faith in them the more they will head towards untraceable cryptcoins...

the moneros, dash, zcoin..

and dont count out xvg.......
Xvg & safex lets go
 
banking industry is shook because with folks worldwide losing faith in the u.s dollar, they know alternative like crypto currency could put a nail in the coffin...

this didn't really sink in for me til I watched an interview w/ the brother who is the CEO of veritaseum...my sincere belief in the industry is what's keeping me in the game and making me a bit more confident...whether I'm picking or choosing the right companies remains to be seen but regardless...I think the industry will be huge...this shit is the verge of internet 4.0
 
hey live and learn, but stocks are so full of shit, you got folks who can legally get inside information

and make millions of dollars with zero risk, while everybody else has to play by the rules...

banking industry is shook because with folks worldwide losing faith in the u.s dollar, they know alternative like crypto currency could put a nail in the coffin...

the more untraceable the coins are the more they are going to be worth..

bankin industry is fuckin up by takin its time with ripple

they have a chance on convincing people to use traceable crypto currency but the more people lose faith in them the more they will head towards untraceable cryptcoins...

the moneros, dash, zcoin..

and dont count out xvg.......

It's not just the U.S. dollar. What about the economies where they really can't trust their own currency? All those people don't even have bank accounts, but they have cell phones. Banking industry is making their own tokens to run on ripple or their own blockchain. Fuck they want a public ledger for? Why would they want transparency?

Privacy coins have a few uses. Criminal is an obvious one. They can also be used by people who have fucked regimes OR who are just anarchists. They can also be used to hide transactions so people/business don't end up getting jacked for private keys. Imagine the day when folks putting guns up to heads to get private keys because they know how much your wallet holds. :angry: "run those private keys!!"

As LBOP pointed out awhile back, Safeex is trying to make an underground marketplace that is decentralized. :eek: Navcoin is going to have anonymous dApps. :eek:
 
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You don't need a government to shut down crypto. Bitcoin's network fees have gotten so high that's it literally cheaper to sell it for $US than it is to spend it.
 
It's not just the U.S. dollar. What about the economies where they really can't trust their own currency? All those people don't even have bank accounts, but they have cell phones. Banking industry is making their own tokens to run on ripple or their own blockchain. Fuck they want a public ledger for? Why would they want transparency?

Privacy coins have a few uses. Criminal is an obvious one. They can also be used by people who have fucked regimes OR who are just anarchists. They can also be used to hide transactions so people/business don't end up getting jacked for private keys. Imagine the day when folks putting guns up to heads to get private keys because they know how much your wallet holds. :angry: "run those private keys!!"

As LBOP pointed out awhile back, Safeex is trying to make an underground marketplace that is decentralized. :eek: Navcoin is going to have anonymous dApps. :eek:

lol,

plan A all along was to prepare for govt intervention..

yup Im tryin to tell ya, its those untraceable coins that are going to be the future..

Im going to have to do a lil research on that navcoin..

and that underground market place they are tryin to set up, is it a whole new network they are developing or will it be part of tor...
 
You don't need a government to shut down crypto. Bitcoin's network fees have gotten so high that's it literally cheaper to sell it for $US than it is to spend it.

yea well there are folks with a shit load of bitcoins that dont mind the fees..

its just the little guy with a few bitcoins that feels the pinch...

thats why you have to be there when the next bitcoin blows up....

and you will brush off the fees too, when you have two hundred thousand coins worth five hundred bucks each..
 
You don't need a government to shut down crypto. Bitcoin's network fees have gotten so high that's it literally cheaper to sell it for $US than it is to spend it.

Yeah, fees did get crazy for a minute. But I usually only risk .5 BTC transfers at one time(just paranoid), and only paid like .0005 to do it with each transaction recently, which wasn't shit.

lol,

plan A all along was to prepare for govt intervention..

yup Im tryin to tell ya, its those untraceable coins that are going to be the future..

Im going to have to do a lil research on that navcoin..

and that underground market place they are tryin to set up, is it a whole new network they are developing or will it be part of tor...

Think platforms. Like ETH. Untraceable coins like Monero are good, but platforms allowing for people to do what they want might be even better. Safeex and Nav seem to be platforms. Bills brought Safeex to our attention. That Chilli marketplace could be huge.

Also, there is money in the extremely compliant crypto platforms. Governments will treat them like the good children while trying to treat the others like stepchildren locked in the attic. Both can make money. :yes:

You know this is bigger than bitcoin and more about the blockchain tech. Cats want to sleep on what is going on. Sad shit man. We already seen how they doubling up on the bitcoin investment on wallstreet. These fat cats already moving money into the game. They win either fucking way. :money:
 
yea well there are folks with a shit load of bitcoins that dont mind the fees..

its just the little guy with a few bitcoins that feels the pinch...

thats why you have to be there when the next bitcoin blows up....

and you will brush off the fees too, when you have two hundred thousand coins worth five hundred bucks each..

60% of Americans have less than $500 in savings and that's still far better than most of the world. People wont use a currency that can't be cheaply liquidated.
 
whoever wrote that is either really naive as to what crypto currency is all about, or he is just tryin to wage a scare campaign...

he has zero idea that govt retaliation is expected...

its the reason why the so....

man let me just keep quiet....

Im just gonna say, for the govt to try and stop it, will be playing right into the hands of the crypto currency world..

they may contain it, but they will never stop it...

old money is shittin bricks....

an even financial playing field scares the bejesus out them..

and rightfully so..

you god damn right...bankers are shitting themselves bc people are getting away from the USD. imagine if you will a world where you are a billionaire in USD and then wake up in 5 years only to find out that its worthless monopoly money bc people arent using it as money anymore. its dead the usd is 20 yrs past its life cycle. now you have a billion dollars worth of toliet paper.....the banks are NOT sitting idly by and watching this happen. but they are very concerned as they should be. they can only blame so much on illegal activities but when the average joe gets outside of the system and has a chance at real freedom. real privacy, and breaking the strangle hold on the elite.....shit ...its like someone busted a hole in the fence keeping 300 million people loose....now they out and using something else to create value and generate wealth.
equalizing the playing field...the people in power dont want that....but the little guys do and there are more little guys than elites...its just that people havent found out about the cryptos yet and when they do....whoa mama. the market is going to BLOW like the dot com craze in the 90s. i missed 3 previous opportunities to make money but now that im older, im not making as much as i would or my worth..... and got a opportunity of a life time ....best believe im taking a shot even if its a small one.

one more thing to think about : the dollar has lost 90% of its buying power as compared to it in the 1980's. as inflation increases the cost for commodities will go up. think: 1 gallon of gas in 1989 = 1 USD, now 1 gallon = 2.45 USD still the same gallon of gas right? but costs more. thats why people are working hard and lnger with more jobs and arent getting anywhere. we are hamsters on a wheel. we run faster and faster and gining no financial ground. meanwhile those who understand money and how it works use it to work just as hard if notharder for them as a multiplier to make more and gain financial ground. EX: 1BTC in january = 900 USD. 1BTC in september = 4000 USD . thats 3100 usd gained in 8 months, there fore the multiple was 3x . you got 3 times your initial investment. thats how this crypto game works....used to be the stock market worked that way when it was honest but now the all of the exchanges are rigged for the fat cats with insider trading. ex: see equifax or enron and them selling stock before the fall.
 
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Yeah, fees did get crazy for a minute. But I usually only risk .5 BTC transfers at one time(just paranoid), and only paid like .0005 to do it with each transaction recently, which wasn't shit.

I get my Uber checks paid out in BTC sent to my Coinbase account. I would do my best not to sell it and instead use it to buy gift cards whenever possible so that I wouldn't have to pay the coinbase fee.

One day I bought a $100 Amazon gift card and realize that it cost $116 with a network fees. Since then I haven't spent Bitcoin on anything else. It's simply functions as a savings account now.
 
60% of Americans have less than $500 in savings and that's still far better than most of the world. People wont use a currency that can't be cheaply liquidated.

well I aint worried about what people will or wont use..

I just know I had a chance to load up on bitcoin, and I procrastinated and missed the boat....

I am not making that mistake again..
 
I get my Uber checks paid out in BTC sent to my Coinbase account. I would do my best not to sell it and instead use it to buy gift cards whenever possible so that I wouldn't have to pay the coinbase fee.

One day I bought a $100 Amazon gift card and realize that it cost $116 with a network fees. Since then I haven't spent Bitcoin on anything else. It's simply functions as a savings account now.

Coinbase is a dirty man. Have you tried bitpay wallet or bitpay card? Send that BTC to a wallet you control and then get what you want.
 
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