Online Sales Tax Coming ???

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Senate bill may require paying
sales tax for more online purchases



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WASHINGTON — Sarah Bagby’s 35-year-old independent bookstore so far has weathered the advent of Internet shopping and e-books. Now Bagby, the owner of Watermark Books & Cafe in Wichita, Kan., is closely following debate in Congress over a bill that she says would help her stay competitive with online retailers who are able to undercut her prices by not charging state or local sales taxes.

“I’m giving a 10 percent advantage off the bat to any company that doesn’t have to collect sales tax, so from that perspective it’s just a fairness issue,” Bagby said in an interview Tuesday.

The Senate is expected to vote this week on the Marketplace Fairness Act, which would give states the authority to collect sales taxes for online purchases. Current laws allow states to collect taxes only from retailers with physical presences in their states, resulting in the loss of a projected $23 billion in sales tax revenue nationwide for 2012, according to a 2009 University of Tennessee study.

In addition to closing the tax loophole for e-commerce, the bill would affect non-electronic transactions across state lines, such as catalog sales.

Retailers would use software programs to charge the appropriate state and local sales taxes based on customers’ billing addresses.

Businesses that make less than $1 million in annual out-of-state sales would be exempt, and residents of states that have no sales taxes wouldn’t have to pay unless their states decided to opt in.

Supporters hope that the legislation will cut down on the practice of “showrooming,” in which consumers go to stores to check out products they want to buy, then go home and purchase them tax-free from online retailers.

“From our vantage point, this is about a free market and allowing all retailers to compete on a level playing field,” said Jason Brewer, a spokesman for Retail Industry Leaders Association, a trade group in Arlington, Va.Opponents warn that the legislation would create a compliance nightmare for small businesses, which would have to keep track of more than 9,000 state, local and municipal tax codes.

The bill puts small businesses at risk of being audited or forced into tax court in faraway states, said Brian Bieron, senior director of global public policy at eBay Inc., one of the legislation’s most vocal critics.

Bieron acknowledged that software programs make it easier for retailers to calculate taxes but he said that was only the first step in a complex bureaucratic process.

“The idea that there’s a technology solution that’s perfect . . . that’s like a fairy tale world,” he said. “It’s when the small business gets a demand letter or audit notice or a letter saying you have to appear in tax court 3,000 miles away – that’s the problem, and there’s no app for that.”

Bieron said eBay wanted lawmakers to increase the small business threshold either to $10 million in annual out-of-state sales or to 50 employees. “We think that’s a much more realistic dividing line,” he said.

In remarks on the Senate floor Tuesday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said he planned to vote against the bill, which he characterized as a new Internet tax.

“If states decide they need this revenue, they should keep in mind the tremendous burden they’ll be placing on the little guys who do so much to drive this economy,” McConnell said. “In my view, the federal government should be looking for ways to help, not hurt, these folks.”



Also speaking out against the bill was Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., bypassed Baucus’ committee to take the legislation directly to the Senate floor this week.

Baucus’ state is one of a handful that don’t collect any sales taxes, including Delaware, New Hampshire and Oregon. Alaska has no state sales tax, but some local governments in the state do.

Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, said in an interview Tuesday that he was leaning toward voting for the bill. He’d been hesitant until the threshold to exempt small businesses was raised from $500,000 to $1 million in annual out-of-state sales.

That change convinced him that few small businesses in Alaska would be required to remit sales taxes to other states. “It’s going to be such a small percentage that it’s not even going to register on the radar screen,” he said.

The Senate is expected to vote on the bill this week. Next it will head to the House of Representatives.


Email: lwise@mcclatchydc.com; Twitter: @lindsaywise

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So they would rather raise taxes on consumers (and you can bet those making under $100k) than millionaires and billionaires.
 
As online sales have increased, it was only a matter of time before this became a serious consideration.

If the "brick and mortar" stores offered the consumer a reason to shop them, such as great service, the way it was back-in-the-day, then the consumer would be willing to patronize them.

They all wanted to follow the Wal Mart model of low prices at all costs, damn the customer service.

But I do agree that on-line merchants have an unfair advantage, cost wise and are cheating states out of taxes.
 
If the "brick and mortar" stores offered the consumer a reason to shop them, such as great service, the way it was back-in-the-day, then the consumer would be willing to patronize them.

They all wanted to follow the Wal Mart model of low prices at all costs, damn the customer service.

But I do agree that on-line merchants have an unfair advantage, cost wise and are cheating states out of taxes.

I do a lot of both and like the stores that let you order on-line and pick it up in the store (Best Buy especially).
 
If the "brick and mortar" stores offered the consumer a reason to shop them, such as great service, the way it was back-in-the-day, then the consumer would be willing to patronize them.

They all wanted to follow the Wal Mart model of low prices at all costs, damn the customer service.

:lol: Thought1 wants his country back!

In an era of bailouts, subsidies, cozy relationships between multi-national corps & the govt, these current policies are fundamentally "transforming" the US. CHANGE!

So the consumers will continue to get the shaft & I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon or Ebay recieve some type of "exempt" status in this proposed bill
 
Talk about horrible service!

I dont have that experience with them. Out of all the ones I've been to in the Charlotte area, only one had noticeable, consistent bad service and I stopped going to that one.
But that's a tangent. Lamarr wants to fight with you so I'll leave you two alone.:D
 
I dont have that experience with them. Out of all the ones I've been to in the Charlotte area, only one had noticeable, consistent bad service and I stopped going to that one.
But that's a tangent. Lamarr wants to fight with you so I'll leave you two alone.:D


He has yet to make the nexus, consciously or unconsciously to the elimination and relaxation of regulations.

He constantly makes references to the right wing Tea Party view of the "good old days". Yet the "good old days" had higher taxes, more regulations and more government.:confused:
 
If the "brick and mortar" stores offered the consumer a reason to shop them, such as great service, the way it was back-in-the-day, then the consumer would be willing to patronize them.

They all wanted to follow the Wal Mart model of low prices at all costs, damn the customer service.

But I do agree that on-line merchants have an unfair advantage, cost wise and are cheating states out of taxes.
What a fucked up mentality. Regular people earning money are "cheating" the states by legally not paying taxes.

Government is truly your mistress.

thoughtone, has there ever been a tax you didn't like?
 
What a fucked up mentality. Regular people earning money are "cheating" the states by legally not paying taxes.

Government is truly your mistress.

thoughtone, has there ever been a tax you didn't like?


With your thinking, is there any wonder why Walmart is allowed to outsource so many jobs to countries with little or no workplace safety standards and little or no modern standards of living.
 
With your thinking, is there any wonder why Walmart is allowed to outsource so many jobs to countries with little or no workplace safety standards and little or no modern standards of living.
Walmart outsources jobs because the idiots who work for them think they deserve $15/hour when they barely deserve minimum wage.

I've said this before, in a business with mostly minimum wage workers, the only person that deserves a raise is the assistant manager that has to deal with these fucking morons that think they deserve a raise because they showed up to work.
 
Walmart outsources jobs because the idiots who work for them think they deserve $15/hour when they barely deserve minimum wage.

I've said this before, in a business with mostly minimum wage workers, the only person that deserves a raise is the assistant manager that has to deal with these fucking morons that think they deserve a raise because they showed up to work.


Walmart outsources jobs because they pay wages in Bangladesh of ¢.25 a day and when the factory burns to the ground that makes their cheap ass products and kills workers, they claim no responsibly and play the victim in the corporate press.

If a worker is incompetent, then do not hire them, train them or fire them. Don't use that as an excuse to pay third world wages!
 
Walmart outsources jobs because they pay wages in Bangladesh of ¢.25 a day and when the factory burns to the ground that makes their cheap ass products and kills workers, they claim no responsibly and play the victim in the corporate press.

If a worker is incompetent, then do not hire them, train them or fire them. Don't use that as an excuse to pay third world wages!
When in the 3rd world pay 3rd world wages.

Bangladesh worked hard to steal those jobs from China. Who are you to complain?
 
Walmart outsources jobs because the idiots who work for them think they deserve $15/hour when they barely deserve minimum wage.

I've said this before, in a business with mostly minimum wage workers, the only person that deserves a raise is the assistant manager that has to deal with these fucking morons that think they deserve a raise because they showed up to work.

You're classism is showing, G.

When in the 3rd world pay 3rd world wages.

Bangladesh worked hard to steal those jobs from China. Who are you to complain?

And since it doesn't affect you, to hell with them?
Strange that you came at me for displaying a similar attitude with the store owner in another thread.
 
You're classism is showing, G.



And since it doesn't affect you, to hell with them?
Strange that you came at me for displaying a similar attitude with the store owner in another thread.


Thus his inability to understand the concept of Liberty and Justice!
 
You're classism is showing, G.
It's actually more elitism than anything else.

And since it doesn't affect you, to hell with them?
Strange that you came at me for displaying a similar attitude with the store owner in another thread.
I thought I was promoting the opposite of the hell with them.

I thought I was showing them great respect by stating they know what's best for themselves despite not having 1st world advantages, so leave them alone.

At risk of boring Dave, I will say Truth is.

The sides are the people who acknowledge Truth or don't acknowledge Truth.

Thus his inability to understand the concept of Liberty and Justice!
I can't wait for the explanation you've been diligently preparing for the other thread regarding where I have it wrong.

It comes across like he's very much afraid of the government abusing people but not so much corporations. That's just business.
I don't think you have an appropriate grasp of the difference between political power and economic power. They aren't similar.
 
It's actually more elitism than anything else.

Thank you for the correction.

I thought I was promoting the opposite of the hell with them.

I thought I was showing them great respect by stating they know what's best for themselves despite not having 1st world advantages, so leave them alone.

That is functionally no different than what I said in the other thread. They seemed to know best in your opinion (complete nonsense but we've already gone over that in another thread) and I think that shop owner knows if he's in any jeopardy or not better than I do from afar.



I don't think you have an appropriate grasp of the difference between political power and economic power. They aren't similar.

That is where we philosophically disagree. I think they're very similar. You express your discontent with politicians and corporations the same way: by not patronizing them. One with your money and the other with your money and your vote.
 

Internet sales-tax bill advances,
but final Senate passage delayed



WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday failed to pass bipartisan legislation that would allow states to collect sales taxes from larger Internet retailers, but the bill cleared a key procedural hurdle and is on track for approval after lawmakers return from a recess.

Momentum has been building for the Marketplace Fairness Act, which is strongly supported by most state and local governments and traditional brick-and-mortar retailers. But opposition from some online retailers, led by eBay Inc., and a small group of senators largely from states that do not have sales taxes derailed the legislation temporarily.

The Senate voted 74 to 20 on Monday to begin considering the bill, and supporters anticipated it would easily pass this week.

But attempts to broker a deal with opponents led by Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont., and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., were unsuccessful. With lawmakers eager to leave town for the scheduled break, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., forced a vote Thursday to cut off debate.

The procedural measure, which needed 60 votes, passed 63 to 30.

Reid said a vote on final passage of the bill would take place May 6. The measure is expected to be approved then.​


Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/04/25/189711/internet-sales-tax-bill-advances.html#storylink=cpy



 
This corporation we call the U.S. is going to milk the people dry. What is this machine going to do when there's nothing left to milk out? :smh:
 
This corporation we call the U.S. is going to milk the people dry. What is this machine going to do when there's nothing left to milk out? :smh:

You could be right. On the otherhand, there could be no local police, firemen, EMT's, etc., to respond to the 9-11 calls either . . .
 
You could be right. On the otherhand, there could be no local police, firemen, EMT's, etc., to respond to the 9-11 calls either . . .

Yea some want the people to work for free, the millionaires and billionaires are the only ones that are suppose to have a decent living!
 
That is functionally no different than what I said in the other thread. They seemed to know best in your opinion (complete nonsense but we've already gone over that in another thread) and I think that shop owner knows if he's in any jeopardy or not better than I do from afar.
Actually, they seem to know best in their own opinion. Do you respect their opinion?

That is where we philosophically disagree. I think they're very similar. You express your discontent with politicians and corporations the same way: by not patronizing them. One with your money and the other with your money and your vote.
If I have a minority opinion and I don't like Pepsi, in a market environment, I can drink ginger ale. This applies to any trade, whether it be a house, car, job, or investment. A person is not limited in exercising their choice as long as they come to a mutual agreement with the other person involved in the trade.

If I have the minority opinion and I don't like a politician or policy, in a political environment, I am subject to the majority's decision and subject to the winning side's authority, grounded in the use of force, to enact those policies. The majority decides the choice. There is no President Romney for the people that voted for him, President Johnson for the people that voted for him, or President Stein for the people that voted for her. There's President Obama.

Economics power is different than political power.

Economic power is mutually beneficial trade where multiple solutions, pursued by the minority opinion, can coexist with the majority opinion of what's popular and good.

Political power is force. Policy is pursued with the threat of incarceration or confiscation of property as a consequence for not supporting it or participating.

Yes, the government has their hand in every economic decision everyone makes, and the reason why the economy is a mess is readily explained by political force (majority rule) being used to determined what is beneficial for the individual.
 
What's the difference?
The difference is I don't think they're idiots because they'll work for minimum wage their whole lives. Instead they'll work for minimum wage their whole lives because they're idiots.

So you understand the anticipation I have for your definition of liberty I asked you months ago!
No I don't understand. I gave my definition of liberty multiple times when you didn't give a shit. Do you really think you're entitled to it on demand. Typical liberal.

However, if you've already explained why I was wrong in my opinion of Liberty and Justice, then you would have a point.

Yea some want the people to work for free, the millionaires and billionaires are the only ones that are suppose to have a decent living!
Your government is currently giving rich people $80 billion a month to prop up the value of their assets.

Which of us has repeatly volunteered that this is a bad thing, and which one of us is still scared of a "death spiral?"
 
If I have a minority opinion and I don't like Pepsi, in a market environment, I can drink ginger ale. This applies to any trade, whether it be a house, car, job, or investment. A person is not limited in exercising their choice as long as they come to a mutual agreement with the other person involved in the trade.

If I have the minority opinion and I don't like a politician or policy, in a political environment, I am subject to the majority's decision and subject to the winning side's authority, grounded in the use of force, to enact those policies. The majority decides the choice. There is no President Romney for the people that voted for him, President Johnson for the people that voted for him, or President Stein for the people that voted for her. There's President Obama.
Economics power is different than political power.

Economic power is mutually beneficial trade where multiple solutions, pursued by the minority opinion, can coexist with the majority opinion of what's popular and good.

Political power is force. Policy is pursued with the threat of incarceration or confiscation of property as a consequence for not supporting it or participating.

Yes, the government has their hand in every economic decision everyone makes, and the reason why the economy is a mess is readily explained by political force (majority rule) being used to determined what is beneficial for the individual.

There is no President Romney but they can have Congressional representation to block a President Obama's agenda and push forward one they more support. It doesn't begin or end at one elected position.
 
There is no President Romney but they can have Congressional representation to block a President Obama's agenda and push forward one they more support. It doesn't begin or end at one elected position.
That's not the point. The point is politics is not a marketplace where Republican, Democrats, Libertarians, and Green can all have what they prefer at the same time.

Economics and politics are fundamentally different and not similar.
 
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