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I like this column except the part about Manny being the sport's biggest attraction, he's not.

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Boxing doesn’t need Pacquiao-Margarito shame

By Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports
Aug 31, 10:28 pm EDT

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LOS ANGELES – Manny Pacquiao doesn’t like to take too many backward steps but he could have done himself, and boxing, a big favor by dropping his shoulder and swaying clear of anything to do with Antonio Margarito.

Pacquiao, tops on the Yahoo! Sports pound-for-pound poll and boxing’s biggest attraction, didn’t pull any punches when Tuesday brought the first verbal jousts for his bout with Margarito on Nov. 13.


It's Congressman Pacquiao these days.

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Yet by admitting that he believes, contrary to Margarito’s repeated assertions, that the Mexican had full knowledge of the illegal hand wrap that earned him a year-long ban from the sport and ruined his reputation, Pacquiao actually painted himself in a bad light.

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For now he is a conspirator in this ugly spectacle that will only serve to sully boxing’s name further. Pacquiao-Margarito doesn’t yet have one of those chest-puffing titles (sometimes catchy, sometimes catastrophic) that form part of the public sales pitch. But how about this for a slogan: this is the fight that boxing doesn’t want, doesn’t need and shouldn’t have.

If Pacquiao believes deep down that Margarito willingly attempted to cheat in a filthy and potentially deadly manner before his January 2009 fight with Shane Mosley, then there is no excuse for offering him a share of the spotlight and a seven-figure payday.

The allegation of hardened hand-wrapping – Margarito has repeatedly offered the flimsy defense that he didn’t know what was on his hands, ignoring the fact that he should have known – is no small matter.

It is a sporting crime as sickening as steroid abuse and carries the extra horror of potentially inflicting extreme physical damage to an opponent.

“He is the one who wraps his hands and he doesn’t know what’s in there?” said Pacquiao, speaking at an event in Beverly Hills, Calif., to promote the fight. “Of course he knows. What do you think? My belief is he knows that. He is just making some kind of alibi.”

Margarito was banned from boxing for a year after an illegal wrap was discovered around his fists just before his defeat to Mosley. He proclaimed his innocence but was still denied a license to fight in California when he recently applied.

Texas took the dubious stance of granting him a license, meaning he will fight Pacquiao in front of around 70,000 at Cowboys Stadium.

Shame on Texas authorities for allowing him in. And shame on Pacquiao, too, for signing off on this nonsense.

Promoter Bob Arum offered Pacquiao a rematch with Miguel Cotto and fights could also have been made with Andre Berto or Timothy Bradley, respected and honorable champions.


Margarito at Tuesday's announcement in Beverly Hills.

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However, those bouts would have given him a slightly smaller payday. There is the feeling, too, that Margarito’s aggressive, pressing style will play right into Pacquiao’s hands.

But that doesn’t make it right.

Has Margarito gotten the nod not in spite of the ruling against him, but because of it? Is this matchup seen, in that often-misguided world of matchmaking, as enticing because it can be billed as good versus evil?

Sadly, it appears so, and it represents astoundingly poor taste.

This may go down as boxing’s “lost” year. Entering 2010 the sport seemed to have so much to look forward to, with the prospect of Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr squaring off just one tantalizing probability.

The fault for the collapse of that fight rests primarily with Mayweather, but those frustrations offer no excuse for this decision by Pacquiao.

A cheat lining his pockets so soon after a despicable incident of sporting shame leaves another stain upon the fight game.

Pacquiao had the power to prevent it and chose not to.
 
I think Manny is really hurting himself instead of helping by speaking out AGAINST Margarito in terms of his knowledge of the hand wraps. It begs the question, 'Why put him in a position that will allow him to get a big payday, put him back in the public eye, and if the stars align just right, the opportunity to win a bout which could put him back in the superstar mix?!?!? So, if Margarito's character is in question, what does this say about Manny and his team? Sometimes it's just better to shut the hell up... :smh:
 
I think Manny is really hurting himself instead of helping by speaking out AGAINST Margarito in terms of his knowledge of the hand wraps. It begs the question, 'Why put him in a position that will allow him to get a big payday, put him back in the public eye, and if the stars align just right, the opportunity to win a bout which could put him back in the superstar mix?!?!? So, if Margarito's character is in question, what does this say about Manny and his team? Sometimes it's just better to shut the hell up... :smh:

Exactly. This is the time he should have played the "Me speakey no English" role or something. Though I don't expect too many people to come down hard on Manny for his part in this. Dude can do no wrong in some people's eyes.
 
I think Manny is really hurting himself instead of helping by speaking out AGAINST Margarito in terms of his knowledge of the hand wraps. It begs the question, 'Why put him in a position that will allow him to get a big payday, put him back in the public eye, and if the stars align just right, the opportunity to win a bout which could put him back in the superstar mix?!?!? So, if Margarito's character is in question, what does this say about Manny and his team? Sometimes it's just better to shut the hell up... :smh:

Nah. He was asked a question and he gave his honest opinion. It would be wack if dude said he didn't think he cheated then after the fight reverse his opinion.

Lol, it is just a fight. And possible a very good one. Hopefully it is better than the last fight manny had. I am glad we get to see another fight in dallas. That stadium is awesome. Hopefully if manny wins then pbf can step up. But then again he might not want to make money in 2011 for tax reasons.
 
Exactly. This is the time he should have played the "Me speakey no English" role or something. Though I don't expect too many people to come down hard on Manny for his part in this. Dude can do no wrong in some people's eyes.


Nah. He was asked a question and he gave his honest opinion. It would be wack if dude said he didn't think he cheated then after the fight reverse his opinion.

Lol, it is just a fight. And possible a very good one. Hopefully it is better than the last fight manny had. I am glad we get to see another fight in dallas. That stadium is awesome. Hopefully if manny wins then pbf can step up. But then again he might not want to make money in 2011 for tax reasons.

Apparently he can't.:rolleyes: Fuck Manny, that nicca cheats at weights, legally and gets away with it by getting all the praise for that bullshit. I'm sure if Mayweather would've picked Margarito as an opponent it wouldn't be "just a fight".
 
Apparently he can't.:rolleyes: Fuck Manny, that nicca cheats at weights, legally and gets away with it by getting all the praise for that bullshit. I'm sure if Mayweather would've picked Margarito as an opponent it wouldn't be "just a fight".

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I was glad to see the author name better fight options than Margarito and expose the bullshit being fed to us. This is even worse than the Clottey fight. Clottey did nothing to be on that stage but at least he wasn't a dangerous cheater.
 
Thing is, I definitely used to be on the Manny bandwagon, and while I still enjoy his fighting style, etc. Dude is a genius when it comes to psychology. His legacy will include, being the most protected fighter in his era, never having to abide by the rule that fighters NEVER used to be able to break... there used to be a time when 'catchweight' was just a term used when two fighters from different weight classes were close enough in weight and the sanctioning bodies hadn't fucked up boxing yet, and the public demanded a fight to determine who was better (i.e. a pound for pound debate between a welterweight and a Jr. middle). NEVER was there so much of this bullshit of a fighter 'moving up' in weight to challenge for a belt, and FORCING the higher weight class belt holder to drain himself for the fight?!?!?! I hate to say this, but this Margarito bullshit truly has me annoyed and I really hope that Floyd and Manny fight and Floyd kicks his ass!?!??!?!? Primarily because Roach and team have become geniuses at putting Manny in fights, then strategically removing any possible advantage his opponent could have, while playing up on the fact that Manny has 'so many' disadvantages!?!?!! Fuck Manny and Freddie Roach!!! :angry:
 
Nah. He was asked a question and he gave his honest opinion. It would be wack if dude said he didn't think he cheated then after the fight reverse his opinion.

Lol, it is just a fight. And possible a very good one. Hopefully it is better than the last fight manny had. I am glad we get to see another fight in dallas. That stadium is awesome. Hopefully if manny wins then pbf can step up. But then again he might not want to make money in 2011 for tax reasons.

I agree. I just want to see a fight regardless. I am so tired of the back and forth soap opera bullshit about whether it's Manny or Floyd's fault, who's the good guy, who's the bad guy and all the rest of the opinions and nonsense that absolutely have no effect on whether any fights will ever come off. I just want to see fights. I really don't care that Pac is fighting Margarito because it should be an interesting fight given the size disparity as Margarito is a big dude and I don't think Pac will easily be knocking him out. I was more disinterested when Pac fought Clottey. At least the Margarito fight is potentially interesting for a number of reasons with one just being styles alone.
 
Thing is, I definitely used to be on the Manny bandwagon, and while I still enjoy his fighting style, etc. Dude is a genius when it comes to psychology. His legacy will include, being the most protected fighter in his era, never having to abide by the rule that fighters NEVER used to be able to break... there used to be a time when 'catchweight' was just a term used when two fighters from different weight classes were close enough in weight and the sanctioning bodies hadn't fucked up boxing yet, and the public demanded a fight to determine who was better (i.e. a pound for pound debate between a welterweight and a Jr. middle). NEVER was there so much of this bullshit of a fighter 'moving up' in weight to challenge for a belt, and FORCING the higher weight class belt holder to drain himself for the fight?!?!?! I hate to say this, but this Margarito bullshit truly has me annoyed and I really hope that Floyd and Manny fight and Floyd kicks his ass!?!??!?!? Primarily because Roach and team have become geniuses at putting Manny in fights, then strategically removing any possible advantage his opponent could have, while playing up on the fact that Manny has 'so many' disadvantages!?!?!! Fuck Manny and Freddie Roach!!! :angry:

Tjervey, I think you're exaggerating and before you jump on me, I'm going to ask one question. How many catchweight bouts has Pacquiao had? The only "catchweight" fight that Pac had was against Cotto and Cotto had to weigh only ONE pound less than he had in his previous fight. There is no evidence that Cotto was drained at all from weighing 1 pound less than he did in his previous fight.

I'm surprised that people are pissed that Margarito has to do the catchweight thing. Isn't that the least he could do since he's getting such an unwarranted opportunity anyway?

Catchweights are nothing new in the game and I don't even consider the Cotto fight a catchweight fight because it is very common for contracts to state "pacted at 152lbs give or take a pound" and stuff like that. This even happens in bullshit ESPN fights. This is so common that I just don't get this hysteria over Cotto having to weight one pound less than his previous fight.

Honestly, I haven't seen where Pac is constantly fighting catchweights. All I can remember is the Cotto fight but maybe I'm just forgetting something and I don't feel like looking up Boxrec right now.
 
I think it's very funny that Manny is willing to jump out there and give his opinion on this...

1) because he's fighting the same guy he is putting down.

2) Didn't he try to go at the Mayweathers hard when they talked shit about Manny cheating.
 
Tjervey, I think you're exaggerating and before you jump on me, I'm going to ask one question. How many catchweight bouts has Pacquiao had? The only "catchweight" fight that Pac had was against Cotto and Cotto had to weigh only ONE pound less than he had in his previous fight. There is no evidence that Cotto was drained at all from weighing 1 pound less than he did in his previous fight.

I'm surprised that people are pissed that Margarito has to do the catchweight thing. Isn't that the least he could do since he's getting such an unwarranted opportunity anyway?

Catchweights are nothing new in the game and I don't even consider the Cotto fight a catchweight fight because it is very common for contracts to state "pacted at 152lbs give or take a pound" and stuff like that. This even happens in bullshit ESPN fights. This is so common that I just don't get this hysteria over Cotto having to weight one pound less than his previous fight.

Honestly, I haven't seen where Pac is constantly fighting catchweights. All I can remember is the Cotto fight but maybe I'm just forgetting something and I don't feel like looking up Boxrec right now.

I stand corrected... :D Still am pissed he's fighting Margarito though.... :smh:
 
Freddie Roach against catchweight?
Oddly enough, trainer Freddie Roach says he’s against catchweight fights, despite his fighter World Boxing Organization Manny Pacquiao already having fought in one catchweight fight against Miguel Cotto for his WBO welterweight title last year in November and is about to fight for the vacant WBC junior middleweight title against Antonio Margarito at a 150 pound catchweight rather than the full 154 pound weight limit for the division. A lot of boxing fans are under the impression that Pacquiao’s fight against Oscar De La Hoya was fought at a catchweight. It actually wasn’t. The fight took place at 147, but it seemed too many boxing fans like it was a catch weight fight because De La Hoya agreed to come down from his normal fighting weight to 147. It wasn’t a catchweight, but it was a weight that clearly drained De La Hoya in the process of making the weight.


In an article at writer Steve Kim of Maxboxing.com, Roach says “I’m against catchweight fights. Either do it or don’t…Well, Pacquiao only had one, though. I mean, they’re calling him the ‘Catchweight King’ but he had one. So it’s a little unfair. I mean, if you’re going to fight for a title, fight for the whole one.” This is interesting news. I guess Roach doesn’t have much say so for what weight Pacquiao plans on fighting at, because he clearly plans on fighting for another title at yet another catchweight.

Its one thing fighting at catchweight for a normal bout, but it looks kind of strange for a fighter competing for a title at less than the full weight. Somehow, it cheapens it for me and I have a hard time seeing it as a legit victory, even if Pacquiao wins the fight. In both cases, Pacquiao will have bigger guys in Cotto and Antonio Margarito. But fighting them at a catchweight seems to give Pacquiao the advantage over them, since they are bigger fighters. Pacquiao’s fans like to point out that he’s a smaller fighter and therefore should be given then handicap of fighting at a catchweight.

But I think if Pacquiao can’t fight at the full limit, then why on earth if he competing for the title in the first place? That seems wrong to me. Having to drop weight to accommodate a smaller fighter just seems weird for title fights. Yeah, it’s okay for a normal fight if it’s once in a great while, but not for a title fight. I think wins like that should have an asterisk next to them and be seen as exhibition bouts and not real ones.

I wonder what Koncz has to say about this since he is the one always pushing for this.
 
I think it's very funny that Manny is willing to jump out there and give his opinion on this...

1) because he's fighting the same guy he is putting down.

2) Didn't he try to go at the Mayweathers hard when they talked shit about Manny cheating.

Maybe that's why he's talking all this forgiveness shit. Just in case his skeletons fall out the closet.:lol:
 
I think it's very funny that Manny is willing to jump out there and give his opinion on this...

1) because he's fighting the same guy he is putting down.

2) Didn't he try to go at the Mayweathers hard when they talked shit about Manny cheating.

lol, I mean it seems obvious how this is completely different. Antonio got busted cheating. Manny said he felt he knew that they were cheating. Which is his opinion based on the fact there was cheating going on in Antonio's camp the night of the fight. Which is unlike PBF calling his Manny a cheater without one shred of proof.
 
lol, I mean it seems obvious how this is completely different. Antonio got busted cheating. Manny said he felt he knew that they were cheating. Which is his opinion based on the fact there was cheating going on in Antonio's camp the night of the fight. Which is unlike PBF calling his Manny a cheater without one shred of proof.

Of course it's completely different if you have common sense.
 
lol, I mean it seems obvious how this is completely different. Antonio got busted cheating. Manny said he felt he knew that they were cheating. Which is his opinion based on the fact there was cheating going on in Antonio's camp the night of the fight. Which is unlike PBF calling his Manny a cheater without one shred of proof.

Weren't you the one saying that you believed Margarito when he said he didn't know his trainers were cheating?

The question in this case is whether Margarito is the cheat or not. Meaning did he know what was going on. Manny says he did based on common sense....

Simple
 
Weren't you the one saying that you believed Margarito when he said he didn't know his trainers were cheating?

The question in this case is whether Margarito is the cheat or not. Meaning did he know what was going on. Manny says he did based on common sense....

Simple

Maybe I am missing something. But what does that have to do with anything? I have my opinion and Manny has his opinion. I kind of agree with Nevada on this. They said they don't feel Antonio knew, but he still should be held responsible because it was cheating in his camp. I agree with that. I don't think any fighter would knowingly cheat like that. Wrapping your hands like that is creating a weapon. If they found cause that he knew about it then dude should be banned from the sport.

Lol, you a funny little dude.
 
Maybe I am missing something. But what does that have to do with anything? I have my opinion and Manny has his opinion. I kind of agree with Nevada on this. They said they don't feel Antonio knew, but he still should be held responsible because it was cheating in his camp. I agree with that. I don't think any fighter would knowingly cheat like that. Wrapping your hands like that is creating a weapon. If they found cause that he knew about it then dude should be banned from the sport.

Lol, you a funny little dude.

Cause the Mayweathers had their opinions like a lot of people about Manny. Are you that dense that shit has to be spelled out to you?:smh:

Floyd Sr said shit looked suspect because of Manny's growth and etc. Manny acts suspicious... Opinions are shaped, Statements are made by the Mayweathers and Manny talks lawsuit.

If you and the Nevada commission are jumping out there and saying there is nothing that can prove that Margarito knew about the cheating but it looks suspicious... Opinions are shaped, Statements are made by Manny and now it would make sense if Margarito sues based on the Pac model of conducting business.

Problem is Margarito probably thinks like most boxer, "You can talk shit now but we'll settle it in the ring".

To clear it up for even further cause I know reading comprehension is tough for you and your buddy.

The first situation is simply about cheating. The second is about what was known. Both situations has someone speaking their minds based on their opinions. Remember opinions aren't facts but an opinion is the same whether it's spoken by a Mayweather or someone else. If it is okay to sue someone based on their opinions in one case , why is it not in the other case? A case can be made for both in regards to harming the respective party's careers so don't try to change subjects.
 
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Cause the Mayweathers had their opinions like a lot of people about Manny. Are you that dense that shit has to be spelled out to you?:smh:

Floyd Sr said shit looked suspect because of Manny's growth and etc. Manny acts suspicious... Opinions are shaped, Statements are made by the Mayweathers and Manny talks lawsuit.

If you and the Nevada commission are jumping out there and saying there is nothing that can prove that Margarito knew about the cheating but it looks suspicious... Opinions are shaped, Statements are made by Manny and now it would make sense if Margarito sues based on the Pac model of conducting business.

Problem is Margarito probably thinks like most boxer, "You can talk shit now but we'll settle it in the ring".

To clear it up for even further cause I know reading comprehension is tough for you and your buddy.

The first situation is simply about cheating. The second is about what was known. Both situations has someone speaking their minds based on their opinions. Remember opinions aren't facts but an opinion is the same whether it's spoken by a Mayweather or someone else. If it is okay to sue someone based on their opinions in one case , why is it not in the other case? A case can be made for both in regards to harming the respective party's careers so don't try to change subjects.

ok dude. FYI I didn't even waste time reading your reply.
 
ok dude. FYI I didn't even waste time reading your reply.

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Tjervey, I think you're exaggerating and before you jump on me, I'm going to ask one question. How many catchweight bouts has Pacquiao had? The only "catchweight" fight that Pac had was against Cotto and Cotto had to weigh only ONE pound less than he had in his previous fight. There is no evidence that Cotto was drained at all from weighing 1 pound less than he did in his previous fight.

This would be his second catchweight title fight but Manny has a history of taking unwarranted title fights at catchweights and having fighters come down to fight him (see Erik Morales and Oscar De La Hoya).
Freddie Roach thought having Cotto come down to 145 would affect him and said so. You may not have seen it but Roach counted on it.
Dude can do no wrong.:smh:

I'm surprised that people are pissed that Margarito has to do the catchweight thing. Isn't that the least he could do since he's getting such an unwarranted opportunity anyway?
Both of them are getting an unwarranted opportunity. How did either of them become contenders to any jr. middleweight title? And why should such a title be fought at a catchweight between two non-contenders? This fight is a farce and should be called such.

Catchweights are nothing new in the game and I don't even consider the Cotto fight a catchweight fight because it is very common for contracts to state "pacted at 152lbs give or take a pound" and stuff like that. This even happens in bullshit ESPN fights. This is so common that I just don't get this hysteria over Cotto having to weight one pound less than his previous fight.
Then you don't let reality interfere with your opinion (but we already knew that).
 
This would be his second catchweight title fight but Manny has a history of taking unwarranted title fights at catchweights and having fighters come down to fight him (see Erik Morales and Oscar De La Hoya).
Freddie Roach thought having Cotto come down to 145 would affect him and said so. You may not have seen it but Roach counted on it.
Dude can do no wrong.:smh:


Both of them are getting an unwarranted opportunity. How did either of them become contenders to any jr. middleweight title? And why should such a title be fought at a catchweight between two non-contenders? This fight is a farce and should be called such.


Then you don't let reality interfere with your opinion (but we already knew that).

What Freddie Roach "said" has nothing to do with my opinion. You and some of the other girls on this site are into this he said she said gossip shit, not me. When it comes to boxing, I trust my eyes and the facts. The fact is Cotto weighed ONE pound less than what he had weighed in his previous fight. I have never heard of a fighter being drained from weighing one pound less much less Cotto that used to fight at 140 anyway.

You have some nerve talking about "reality" as if you actually know shit. You actually wrote that after writing a load of gibberish and factually incorrect bullshit. According to you, reality is Pacquiao has a "history" of taking unwarranted fights at catchweights even though at the same time you say he's only done it one time. If you're calling it a history based on that one time then we can include a boatload of fighters that have a so called history engaging in this nefarious activity of catchweight fights.

This stuff about Pacquiao forcing Erik Morales and De La Hoya to come down in weight is just plain ridiculous. Anyone forcing Oscar De La Hoya to do anything is an interesting concept in itself. There's so many ways to break you down on that one but you should know this stuff by now. I'm actually wondering if you are purposely just being a stupid ass. If you really believe this, you should also believe that Floyd Mayweather forced Diego Corrales to come down in weight.
 
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What Freddie Roach "said" has nothing to do with my opinion. You and some of the other girls on this site are into this he said she said gossip shit, not me. When it comes to boxing, I trust my eyes and the facts. The fact is Cotto weighed ONE pound less than what he had weighed in his previous fight. I have never heard of a fighter being drained from weighing one pound less much less Cotto that used to fight at 140 anyway.

Gossip? So information directly from his trainer is "gossip"? What you perceive on a television screen carries more weight than the words of one of the trainers in the fighter, particularly a smart trainer like Roach.


You have some nerve talking about "reality" as if you actually know shit. You actually wrote that after writing a load of gibberish and factually incorrect bullshit. According to you, reality is Pacquiao has a "history" of taking unwarranted fights at catchweights even though at the same time you say he's only done it one time. If you're calling it a history based on that one time then we can include a boatload of fighters that have a so called history engaging in this nefarious activity of catchweight fights.

Maybe English is a second language to you but it's not to me. Pacquiao has a history of doing based on one fight. That's not a long history but it is a history.

This stuff about Pacquiao forcing Erik Morales and De La Hoya to come down in weight is just plain ridiculous. Anyone forcing Oscar De La Hoya to do anything is an interesting concept in itself. There's so many ways to break you down on that one but you should know this stuff by now. I'm actually wondering if you are purposely just being a stupid ass. If you really believe this, you should also believe that Floyd Mayweather forced Diego Corrales to come down in weight.


Since we're just talking about Oscar (nothing on Morales, huh?), I put the blame squarely on his shoulders for taking a fight at that weight and said so at the time. He fought Mayweather at a catchweight but still had the sense to come in at his normal fighting weight. Oscar lost this fight the same way he lost a lot of fights: poor strategy before and during the fight.
With that said, it's not like Manny was coming up to jr. middle (or even 150) to make that fight. He fought a severely drained Oscar De La Hoya, I didn't know this was disputable.
 
Gossip? So information directly from his trainer is "gossip"? What you perceive on a television screen carries more weight than the words of one of the trainers in the fighter, particularly a smart trainer like Roach.




Maybe English is a second language to you but it's not to me. Pacquiao has a history of doing based on one fight. That's not a long history but it is a history.




Since we're just talking about Oscar (nothing on Morales, huh?), I put the blame squarely on his shoulders for taking a fight at that weight and said so at the time. He fought Mayweather at a catchweight but still had the sense to come in at his normal fighting weight. Oscar lost this fight the same way he lost a lot of fights: poor strategy before and during the fight.
With that said, it's not like Manny was coming up to jr. middle (or even 150) to make that fight. He fought a severely drained Oscar De La Hoya, I didn't know this was disputable.

Dave, Gossip is anything that can support the Mayweathers or anything that knocks Manny. You should know this by now.
 
Dave, Gossip is anything that can support the Mayweathers or anything that knocks Manny. You should know this by now.

I should.

To touch on something else right quick for one time and one time only

This little episode about his racist comments against Manny, which Floyd Jr has now apologized for, is just pathetic but, to me, not that shocking. He's made outrageous, even reckless comments about other fighters before. I'm not disappointed because I don't expect better.
Still, if he ain't fighting, I ain't caring. When he retires for good and moves on, then I'll be interested in his outside the ring endeavors.
 
I should.

To touch on something else right quick for one time and one time only

This little episode about his racist comments against Manny, which Floyd Jr has now apologized for, is just pathetic but, to me, not that shocking. He's made outrageous, even reckless comments about other fighters before. I'm not disappointed because I don't expect better.
Still, if he ain't fighting, I ain't caring. When he retires for good and moves on, then I'll be interested in his outside the ring endeavors.

Well he tried to back track, but the dude is about as dumb as a bag of rocks. Here is a guy who has a defamation lawsuit on going and he makes a video that reinforces manny's case. Lol, sorry if reality seems to be against what pbf wish. But the dude is about as dumb as he is scared of manny.

Dave, if you want to cheer for pbf then do so. I agree with you. The stream was not shocking at all. It was sad. He was better off not commenting. Seeing how his team was already caught in a lie about not working out an agreement for him and manny to fight. He should have kept quite.
 
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