Official lakers vs mavs thread!!!!!!!

[D-TOWN REP]

I repeat I didnt think Peja had this left in him

Dud has been injured what the last 3 seasons?

With him on the court with Dirk, Jet, and Kidd thats too many guys you cant leave open for the 3

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

I made about 3 threads during the season about the Lakers inability to defend on the perimeter..but most Lakers fans said it wasnt a problem.... The team is just slow...they cant close out on perimeters players or if they do, the offensive player can go right around them...and their defense on the pick and roll is laughable...

Time to bring in some youth....

Im not going to blame the game on Kobe although he made some mistakes... but it should be very clear that Kobe is truly a one-dimension player now. He hasnt had a dunk in this series i dont think...he cant finish at the basket...and really cant defend on the perimeter...

the lakers do not have a player that plays on the perimeter that can guard any point top point guard in the nba. fisher cannot get it done anymore blake is a backup for a reason and lacks the foot speed to keep up.
and part of this is on phil jackson as well because i refuse to believe that they can't make 1 adjustment in order to defend the 1 glaring weakness in their defense which is the pick and roll.
dirk is murdering them...odom is too small he posts him up and shoots over him and gasol/bynum are too slow so he drives right around them...kobe is too little and so is artest he just shoots over the top of them, there's literally nothing they can do.

and as far as kobe goes, they don't have a shooter so he has no room to operate. they sag off of everyone else because there is no fear or room to not leave someone. so there's always help. and gasol/bynum aren't spacing the floor out or scoring enough buckets or commanding a double team so there really is no room for him to get to the rim.
last series the hornets had to double the big men, so you saw kobe get in the lane and score those buckets and do those dunks
this series the mavs have the same height and kobe doesn't have a wing player that commands serious respect on the offensive end.


best lineup for the lakers as of right now would be brown, kobe, odom, gasol, bynum.
have kobe handle the ball triple post offense and have brown leak out for fast breaks as well as catch lobs. have odom run the offense and make the post entries and rub off those entry passes for screens and have bynum clean up everything else. while kobe sets up weak side for ball reversal and advantages. if that lineup is on the floor the mavs have to adjust and get bigger, while taking their offensive potency off the court. they can't put in terry, or jj because of defensive liability.


mavs best lineup offensively is chandler/haywood. dirk, peja, terry and kidd
have kidd bring the ball up. run the pick and roll with dirk and chandler/haywood because it'll be the 4 and the 5 guarding those two, so when the lakers switch dirk will guaranteed be matched up with someone who can't guard him. and have peja and terry float on the wings so if they do double they can hit the open jumpers. all of it runs through dirk and kidd gets back for defensive purposes.

just my thoughts

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

a clear example of this was at the 2:02 mark in the 4th when Jason Terry had that wide open 3 pointer... anyone want to make a guess on who didnt even attempt to close out and was just floating in no mans land...never fully rotating to the open man

Don't say it...

you will be a Hater if you tell the truth....

that same person has been doing that shit for a while...

I wonder if he stayed and practiced jumpers tonight?

 

[dirtyd]

 

[Jae]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

when discussing basketball, i'm objective

if they had surrendered buckets (or even a SINGLE point), or demonstrated fatigue

The bench goes from stretching the lead....... to missing consecutive shots, playing bad offense, and started to foul. Like I said before, Phil always bring (Kobe) starters back anyway during the 7min stretch during games. Your basically not even arguing with me, you're arguing with Phil's rotation.

Tell me what the difference is in bringing the starters in during the 7 min stretch (As usual) and the 6 minute mark like you would have done?
Why are we waiting until the bench gives u that 1 point your so desperately clinging to, before we pull them?


Anyway, I'm not about to be up all night with you Cranrab, I know how personal it is for you to prove how much Kobe sucks and this is all his fault.



Lakers will be back, and still better than the Sixers

 

[Diamels]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

they're having a closed door meeting on spin strategy.

they're trying to figure out how to blame pau gasol for the fakers shooting 2-20 3FGAs in the G2 loss.

Reminds me of what someone said when Pau first came to the Lakers.

poor euro bastard. only 27 and destined to be a perennial scapegoat.

 

[Theo_Huxtable]

Kobe loses, Bulls win. Today was a good day.​

 

[Spectrum]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

Don't say it...

you will be a Hater if you tell the truth....

that same person has been doing that shit for a while...

I wonder if he stayed and practiced jumpers tonight?

Ive always thought he was WILDLY overrated on the defensive end of the ball despite the being a defensive first team winner several teams. Gets beat too often on backdoor cuts, funnels his player into the lane too much, and doesnt close out to defend on the perimeter.

Occassionally, he will play motivated man to man defense against a foe to attempt to prove a point... but ive always thought he was an overrated defender...he takes off too many plays on the defensive end.

Paul is not going to be able to defend Dirk.. that wasnt the problem...the lakers lost because of too many wide open three pointers..

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I repeat I didnt think Peja had this left in him

Dud has been injured what the last 3 seasons?

With him on the court with Dirk, Jet, and Kidd thats too many guys you cant leave open for the 3

good situation
they cannot match up with dirk and he's gonna get open shots
peja can always hit an open shot.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

I made about 3 threads during the season about the Lakers inability to defend on the perimeter..but most Lakers fans said it wasnt a problem.... The team is just slow...they cant close out on perimeters players or if they do, the offensive player can go right around them...and their defense on the pick and roll is laughable...

Time to bring in some youth....

Im not going to blame the game on Kobe although he made some mistakes... but it should be very clear that Kobe is truly a one-dimension player now. He hasnt had a dunk in this series i dont think...he cant finish at the basket...and really cant defend on the perimeter...

for the last few years....

score and play occasional D

Thats it...

Jemele Hill was on First Take talking about "the will" of Kobe..

She , like most Kobe stans are misguided.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

Ive always thought he was WILDLY overrated on the defensive end of the ball despite the being a defensive first team winner several teams. Gets beat too often on backdoor cuts, funnels his player into the lane too much, and doesnt close out to defend on the perimeter.

Occassionally, he will play motivated man to man defense against a foe to attempt to prove a point... but ive always thought he was an overrated defender...he takes off too many plays on the defensive end.

Paul is not going to be able to defend Dirk.. that wasnt the problem...the lakers lost because of too many wide open three pointers..

the only great on the ball defenders in the nba...are defensive specialist.

everyone else is just pretending out there or playing the passing lane.

 

[Complex]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

The Lake show is done.

Naw, we're straight...we've been to the finals every decade and have 16 titles

You know how you get when discussing the Lakers.
And usually you dont resort to all the B*tch- MF'er type responses to make your argument.
Not that I care either way, but it shows me your acting out of Character...........aka emotional.

That is Samaki's character

game 3 and bitches continue to abandon ship.

what a bunch of classy fans.

more BGOL frauds jumping off the bandwagon.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Yeah, man.

I can't even be upset.

I'm predicting Miami will win it all this year. I don't think the Western Conference opponent really matters much.

 

[Complex]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

Ive always thought he was WILDLY overrated on the defensive end of the ball despite the being a defensive first team winner several teams. Gets beat too often on backdoor cuts, funnels his player into the lane too much, and doesnt close out to defend on the perimeter.

Occassionally, he will play motivated man to man defense against a foe to attempt to prove a point... but ive always thought he was an overrated defender...he takes off too many plays on the defensive end.

Paul is not going to be able to defend Dirk.. that wasnt the problem...the lakers lost because of too many wide open three pointers..

He's overrated defensively, but you can't really compare him at this age and with the amount of miles he has on him to when he was younger.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Yeah, man.

I can't even be upset.

I'm predicting Miami will win it all this year. I don't think the Western Conference opponent really matters much.

not true
all depends on if miami makes it and who they play if they do.
right now believe it or not the worst matchup for miami would be the grizzlies
the grizzlies absolutely live in the paint and the heat have nothing for gasol,randolph,arthur,young
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

and i always bet on layups and not jump shots, im not saying the grizzlies would murder them but im saying if a team isn't strong in the middle and they're playing a team that averages 50 points in the paint a game...that's not good

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

He's overrated defensively, but you can't really compare him at this age and with the amount of miles he has on him to when he was younger.

he can't do the defense right now
he has to be the offense honestly, and asking him to be both is just too much on him

 

[LordSinister]

I haven't seen a game all playoffs, but it seems to me to be the Kobe Shaw thing in reverse with Kobe being the old guy.

He needs to stop being a bitch, play some D and let the bits do what they're supposed to do

 

[Punch]

 

[unknownsoldier]

Voice gone, left the AAC, eating wings @ Hooters, headed to the HOB to get @ hoes...good night in Dallas!!!!


They don't matchup with us...too many threats. Tyson staying foul free & able to stay on the floor. People don't remember, but several years ago we swept the Grizz & Dirk murdered Pau. Baaaaad matchup for him, but Dirk is playing outta his mind. He made tough/clutch baskets when we needed them, like he wouldn't let us lose. We gotta execute & finish this series out & get ready for a dog fight should we advance.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

Don't say it...

you will be a Hater if you tell the truth....

that same person has been doing that shit for a while...

I wonder if he stayed and practiced jumpers tonight?

Some of you dudes need help, man.

You dudes reduce every Kobe mistake and every Lakers loss to 'evidence' that Kobe is overrated.

It's not the fact that you all criticize, but the fact that you take so much pleasure in doing it that make you dudes look like 'haters'.

Do you even read your Kobe related comments? Who are you trying to convince, man? I can't even enjoy a Lakers vs thread and simply talk basketball, 'cause you dudes have to turn everything into a Kobe debate. The nigga is overrated? Ok, damn....we get it. Why do we need to know that shit every fucking game?

Sad thing is, you all think the fans are the only ones with the problem.

 

[Spectrum]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

He's overrated defensively, but you can't really compare him at this age and with the amount of miles he has on him to when he was younger.

Oh no doubt. But I dont think it is because he is old.. I think the problem is that he is a bit lazy on the defensive end...he just falls asleep too much.

 

[SIDESHOW]

FUCK THIS ENTIRE THREAD.......

< that is all.

 

[Complex]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

he can't do the defense right now
he has to be the offense honestly, and asking him to be both is just too much on him

It's funny how dudes don't comment how Ron Ron and Matt Barnes have also slipped defensively. That leaves you before offense when you get older.

I think the problem is that Kobe's expected to do too much defensively at this age.

We really needed a George Hill type back up PG, someone who was faster so they could spell Fisher and guard the faster PG's in the league.

 

[Jae]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

Oh no doubt. But I dont think it is because he is old.. I think the problem is that he is a bit lazy on the defensive end...he just falls asleep too much.

Trying to Ed Reed in John Lynch's body

 

[Spectrum]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

the only great on the ball defenders in the nba...are defensive specialist.

everyone else is just pretending out there or playing the passing lane.

I disagree...unless you mean in today`s game....well even that wouldnt be true.

Kobe is a horrible off the ball defender as he falls asleep off the ball. Im not really discussing getting beat one on one...Im talking about getting beat on back cuts and not properly rotating on help defense.. he just takes off too much on the defensive end.. Fisher gets beat because he is slower and older... Kobe often just doesnt give the effort...

 

[cranrab]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

he has to be the offense honestly, and asking him to be both is just too much on him

only 4 FGAs at halftime and the fakers were ahead.

that's not demanding too much.

 

[Complex]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

Oh no doubt. But I dont think it is because he is old.. I think the problem is that he is a bit lazy on the defensive end...he just falls asleep too much.

He does, because he's always gambled on defense.

He's like Deion when he got older. What could work at 27 isn't working now, because he can't recover.

He doesn't trust his teammates defensively. I mean, can you honestly trust Pau and Fish?

 

[Spectrum]

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It's funny how dudes don't comment how Ron Ron .

I might have been the first to mention it this season. Im shocked by how much the Lakers perimeter defense has fallen apart this season. It is a huge drop from last seasons. They dont have anyone that can defend on the perimeter...they have all lost a step.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

It's funny how dudes don't comment how Ron Ron and Matt Barnes have also slipped defensively. That leaves you before offense when you get older.

I think the problem is that Kobe's expected to do too much defensively at this age.

We really needed a George Hill type back up PG, someone who was faster so they could spell Fisher and guard the faster PG's in the league.

thing about them is we don't expect much from them. barnes is useless and not as good as people make him out to be, otherwise why would he keep bouncing from team to team
and ron artest is the defensive specialist, but the mavs biggest threat he simply cannot guard. he's slipped but even if he was at his peak..he couldn't guard dirk and neither could kobe, or odom or anyone on the roster.

its not that he's expected to do too much imo, its that nobody else is stepping up so he doesn't have to do it all. he's too old to do both offense and defense. and again, its not the person that kobe is guarding that is killing them, its the fact that the lakers refuse to adjust their pick and roll defense
and
nobody can guard dirk on their roster..period

 

[Spectrum]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

He does, because he's always gambled on defense.

He's like Deion when he got older. What could work at 27 isn't working now, because he can't recover.

He doesn't trust his teammates defensively. I mean, can you honestly trust Pau and Fish?

That is the problem now.. before he used to get beat consistently on backdoor cuts where he would fall asleep...now the major problem is that he floats around 13-14 from the basket and he cant close out in enough time to challenge the shooter when they get the rock. He needs to stop cheating and just stick closer to this man.

Same shit that Wade was doing against the Celtics during the first 3 games this season but he smartened up... he was sleeping in the half court and then not running out during transition and Ray Allen was lighting his ass up.

 

[dirtyd]

Dirk is playing outta his mind. He made tough/clutch baskets when we needed them, like he wouldn't let us lose. We gotta execute & finish this series out & get ready for a dog fight should we advance.

I like how dirk said in his post game interview that this team is not good enough to coast. In the past they would've raised the mission accomplished banner and then chocked the very next game, it also seems like dirk has gone into terminator mode because he's getting to the basket whenever he wants to now.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

I disagree...unless you mean in today`s game....well even that wouldnt be true.

Kobe is a horrible off the ball defender as he falls asleep off the ball. Im not really discussing getting beat one on one...Im talking about getting beat on back cuts and not properly rotating on help defense.. he just takes off too much on the defensive end.. Fisher gets beat because he is slower and older... Kobe often just doesnt give the effort...

who plays good on the ball defense in today's nba?

and i agree that kobe doesn't give the effort as far as back cuts and passing lanes etc that he should and that's on kobe for not doing it, no excuses.

and i agree with fisher, fisher is too old now and that's not to slight him because when he wasn't old he did everything they needed him to do and more, he's done his service, its just time for him to hang it up. he's getting slower, and these guards are getting faster, along with being bigger than him so he can't even body them up like he used to

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Re: mavs thread!!!!!!!

only 4 FGAs at halftime and the fakers were ahead.

that's not demanding too much.

no its not demanding too much, but the lakers best chance of winning is always with kobe taking the crucial shots...it does not mean a bulk of the shots but crucial ones. and if all his energy is used on the defensive end he won't have it to make the final shots they need to win.

 

[cranrab]

mavs thread!!!!!!!

scapegoating is a fine fakers fan tradition.

all this talk about derek fisher is sad.

this is the same dude that i watched in G1 Q2 rally the fakers to erase a deficit and take a lead going in to halftime.

but times are getting desperate and out comes the "old derek fisher" talk.

all dude does at age 36 is come in, play 30+ minutes per game, doesn't bitch about getting less than 10 shots a game, doesn't turn the ball over a lot, but he's the annual scapegoat.

classy fans.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I like how dirk said in his post game interview that this team is not good enough to coast. In the past they would've raised the mission accomplished banner and then chocked the very next game, it also seems like dirk has gone into terminator mode because he's getting to the basket whenever he wants to now.

i respect the hell out of dirk
i always mention people who worked on their game and dirk has worked on his game hard...
when a little man is on him he shoots over him
and when a big man is on him he drives right by him
i mean its textbook shit that you would think would be common sense but so many nba players don't even do it
plus he's hitting the boards, and he is taking the shots ... the crucial ones not just the meaningless ones.