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I noticed something odd though...

two famous rap lines were used I think it was unintentional.

in the hooker trailer the pimp said...

"And I hate waitin..
I got no patience"

Jay Z Big Pimpin

and later the brother in the slaughterhouse said

"they got guns,
we got guns too"

Raekwon "Incarcerated Scarfaces"

i KNOW i;m reaching...

ur not reaching. i bet there are some other easter eggs sprinkled in there too.

somebody has a hiphop sense of humor.
 
'Justified' EP Graham Yost dissects 'Measures'

SPOILER ALERT!
In this week’s episode of Justified, “Measures,” written by Benjamin Cavell and directed by John Dahl, Dickie’s search for Mags’ money resumed. Errol (Demetrius Grosse) told Dickie (Jeremy Davies) he’d tell him where Limehouse (Mykelti Williamson) hides the money for a share of it — but said they’ll have to get Boyd (Walton Goggins) involved to fetch it. That’ll be fun!

Meanwhile, the target on the back of Quarles (Neal McDonough) grew. Theo Tonin (Alan Arkin) sent hit men to Kentucky to off him, but Raylan (Timothy Olyphant) and Art (Nick Searcy) stopped them because they assumed Raylan was the mark. Napier (David Andrews) obliged when Quarles asked him to suggest a dealer under Boyd’s protection that he could rob, but Napier also happily suggested that Quarles take those stolen drugs to Audrey’s to exchange them for cash. (Having Boyd threaten to put a letter opener up your nose will make a man cooperative.) Last we saw Quarles, Boyd had tasered him in one of the whores’ trailers. Instead of killing him immediately for the $100,000 price on his head, Boyd plans to keep Quarles kicking so he can collect the $200,000 Theo’s offering if Quarles is delivered alive. Something tells us Boyd should have listened to Duffy (Jere Burns), who wants to step up when Quarles is gone, and gotten right to it: “Don’t say I didn’t warn you.” As we’ll be doing each week throughout the season, we asked executive producer Graham Yost to take us inside the writers’ room.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Let’s start with the idea that Raylan would think Tonin’s men were there for him.
GRAHAM YOST: We sorta went back and forth on that. This episode took a lot of last-minute rethinking, especially in terms of Raylan’s story. At one point, in an outline or a draft that no one saw, the Raylan story wrapped up way too early. I said, “Well, he’s the star of our show, and we’re kinda done with the story by the end of Act II, so that’s not gonna work.” So we had to restructure it. For one brief period of time, those two guys came down under the guise of being cops from Detroit also looking for Quarles, and Raylan figures out that even if they’re cops, they’re on Theo Tonin’s payroll. We played with that for awhile, and then went back to the thugs. It was Tim’s idea to have a misdirect, where we think they’re there for one reason, to get Raylan or backup Quarles, and we find out they’re there for another, to kill Quarles. That caused a certain amount of consternation with the network because I think the audience figures that out long before Raylan and Art do. But maybe you didn’t. That was a concern, but we went with it anyway. The thing is, on our show, Raylan does not have to be perfect. He doesn’t have to always be in front of the story, he can sometimes be a little bit behind.

That story gave us some quality Raylan-Art time, which is always enjoyable.
That was also Tim’s idea. He said, “Let’s have Art go along with him.” Listen, Tim and Nick love playing together. Any chance we have to get them out and get them working together is always fun.

Art gave Raylan some fatherly advice about staying alive so his child can meet him, and there was a running joke about Art being afraid he himself was going to get shot. That’s not foreshadowing, right? We don’t need to be worried about Art?
Just keep watching. [Pauses] No, that would be mean of me because it’s not foreshadowing it’s just me trying to jerk your chain. No, if anything, it sorta reflects back to the season’s second episode, which was Art out in the field. But, you know, if you’ve not been out in the field that much, it can be a little tense, I imagine, especially when there could be people coming to kill one of your guys.

Where did the idea that Theo Tonin carries around a human ear that he talks into to scare people come from? Genius.
I can’t remember. I think it was originally Cavell’s for this script. This is a big thing: We shot episode 12 [which airs next week] first, and then we shot 11, because 12 was farther along in the writing process. In 12, Wynn Duffy repeats the ear story to Boyd. I had the question: Do we keep it in both? Yeah, let’s just use it in both.

What does he say? Have the writers ever talked about that?
No, it doesn’t really matter. I mean, he would just say, “I’m sure this guy better shape up, or I’m gonna kill him.”

Why did you have Tonin on vacation and not in Detroit?
Why do you think?

So you could show that girl in the bikini?
No, not the girl in the bikini, although that was a nice bonus. We shoot the show in California! We’ve done a lot of interiors this year because we built Boyd’s bar, we built the bar for Raylan. It’s important to get outside. It’s tough, because our Harlan is a bit of a bear to get to. It takes an extra hour out of the day, going and coming. So if we can shoot a little exterior and say we’re in California, that’s fantastic.

Moving on, Quarles needed money, so he killed and robbed two drug dealers under Boyd’s protection. He shot the one guy, but what exactly did he do to the other?
It was kinda dark. Basically, he takes the scabbard of the sword and beats the other guy to death with it. I think the way Ben Cavell wrote it was even more disgusting than it actually ended up being. [Laughs] It was more like what Ryan Gosling does to the thug in the elevator in Drive. An effect like that is very expensive, so we just went with what we had.

Boyd then figured out it was Quarles who hit those dealers, and convinced Napier to send Quarles to Audrey’s.
One thing we wanted to do — and we only got to do it a little bit, so it’s one of my regrets about the episode — is the idea of Boyd having to solve a crime. Now he ends up solving it very quickly. He finds out from the neighbor lady that it was Quarles, and there, it’s done. But we just liked the idea of Boyd coming in and making these sort of CSI-y cop show-type observations. “He poured bleach on everything. See if there’s any household cleaners, ’cause if he brought it with him, he’s a pro.” We thought that would be fun to play the detective story line with Boyd in the driver’s seat.

Was that just a fun thing, or does it actually tell us what Boyd and Ava watch on TV?
It was just a fun thing. Though I think we assume everybody watches a little bit of TV at some point. It’d be hard not to see a show like that.

The references to Neal McDonough’s blond hair and blue eyes this episode were great: The line “He looks like he even s—s blond” and that neighbor referring to him as a husky.
There is a whole video that you could put together of people referring to Quarles by really strange things. You’ll see one in episode 12, where Duffy says something to the effect of “with his big baby head.” “Always be mean to Neal” is the standard thing.

Has Neal suggested any of those?
The husky thing is something that he’s mentioned in the past, to say that his mother mated with a husky.

Who did the whores think Quarles looked like?
Steve McQueen in Papillon. I think. Now, of course, Ben Cavell will say, “No, I was thinking of blah, blah, blah.” But that’s what I was thinking.

What was the idea behind Boyd using a Taser on Quarles?
We needed Quarles to be in Boyd’s company, and we just didn’t want to do the pistol whip across the head. We thought a Taser would be a smarter way to go.

And of course, Duffy warns Boyd that he really should just kill Quarles now.
Boyd wants more money. You get $200,000 if he’s alive and $100,000 if he’s dead. He’s willing to gamble, and he thinks he’s got it under control. We’ll see how that works out for him in 12.

Onto to Dickie… It was nice to see Tim (Jacob Pitts) and Rachel (Erica Tazel) get involved, tailing him and using Rodney (Mickey Jones) to get information.
We had actually toyed with something that maybe we’ll do someday where Rachel gets into a situation where she has to fight for her life. Outline to draft, it ended up becoming smaller and smaller until she’s just kicking a guy in the crotch. But it’s always fun to see them, and we owe them more than we give them, there’s no question. We’ll try to make up for that next year.

What cell company does Rodney use? He gets great reception in rural Kentucky.
Harlan has incredible coverage of all plans. It’s something we found out in our research. I’m totally lying. I could say that we could turn right around in the following episode and have someone up a holler and be unable to get cell service. Which is actually more of the reality. Talking to troopers down there, they’ll go up so far and they’ll cell phone, and they’ll go up even further, and they’ll lose the radio. Then they’re really kinda own their own. But we’re doing a TV show.

When Dickie went to see Ellen May (Abby Miller) to find out where she’s heard Limehouse keeps the money, she told him she wants to be Queen if he ends up King. That made me nervous for her — but it was also kind of sweet. Am I allowed to feel that way?
Yeah, be feeling that way. That’s the evolution of Ellen May. Abby did one big scene for us last year, and we all just loved it, and so, if we got a scene with a hooker, let it be Ellen May. I would say that there’s more to be played out there with her story and the story of Ava taking over the bordello, and you will see that in the last episode.

Is Errol really teaming up with Dickie?
We want viewers to not know. I think it tracks with Errol’s character. He’s the one who started this whole thing of Noble’s Holler being involved in the war between Boyd and Quarles. We can imagine that he would want to step out. His whole argument has been “Times have changed.” It’s Limehouse who says, “Times have not changed as much as you think. We’re safe here. Let’s stay here.” That struggle between the generations, of the new generation saying “This is what we should do,” plays out even to a degree with Quarles and Tonin. Quarles coming to Kentucky was his bold move, and… it’s had its problems.

My mouth dropped when Errol said they’d need to work with Boyd.
That amount of money being in the wind is something that would cause enemies to get in cahoots. Getting Dickie out of prison, we knew we wanted to do that. We knew that he was gonna play a part in the whole conclusion of the season. We just thought, Well, let’s be bold. What would happen if he went to Boyd and said, “Let’s do this job together?”
 
Limehouse dont have that money, Its just for him to retain power. $100 he dont have nothing close to that amount.
 
Limehouse dont have that money, Its just for him to retain power. $100 he dont have nothing close to that amount.

i think he got MONEY...

cause it seems like he is the official bank of the holla..

but from the preview it seems like he deposited the money in an ACTUAL BANK:D

but that shit being under the church?
 
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Justified 3.12 FAQ

What’s it called?
“Coalition.”

Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Taylor Elmore (“Cottonmouth,” “Brother’s Keeper,” “The Devil You Know”).

What says FX?
“While Raylan closes in on an ever-more-unpredictable Quarles, Boyd enters into an unlikely alliance with Dickie Bennett in a last-ditch attempt to recover Mags' fortune.”

Do any Tonins return tonight?
Not tonight. But another major player does.

Does Boyd kill Dickie for shooting Ava?
“You rest easy, Dickie Bennett,” Boyd tells Dickie late in the episode. “You ain’t gonna die this night.”

How does it start?
Two skinny hookers fondle a naked Quarles’ sleeve-gun.

The big news?
Arlo Givens gets his own version of Model Six.

What else is FX not telling us?
Raylan Givens spends a lot of the episode hanging around with non-federal law enforcement.

What of Winona and Ava?
Boyd teams Ava with Arlo this week. If Winona dies this season, it’ll be in next week’s finale; she does not appear this week.

What’s great?
Demetrius Grosse as Limehouse henchman Errol. Jeremy Davies as The Last Bennett. Timothy Olyphant. Walton Goggins. Neal McDonough. Mykelti Williamson. “Not exactly, sir. Not as such.” “How ya doin’, Dickie?”

What’s not so great?
That would be telling.

How does “Coalition” end, spoiler boy?
As sirens scream, Raylan’s eyes search the parking lot.
 
everyone not as quick as Raylen on this show. Its going down next week.

and I really liked that dude...

he been on the show awhile...

just to show they will get rid of anyone...

especially since he had the day off for his son's t-ball game...:(

nice touch for them to have Raylan sit in the chair JUST LIKE he does n the posters...

but I'm not buying him not killing Dickie after his Aunt's murder...

this season was excellent only ONE ep. was kinda off but overall GREAT...

FX should get Breaking Bad if AMC REALLY tries to screw them over:D
 
and I really liked that dude...

he been on the show awhile...

just to show they will get rid of anyone...

especially since he had the day off for his son's t-ball game...:(

nice touch for them to have Raylan sit in the chair JUST LIKE he does n the posters...

but I'm not buying him not killing Dickie after his Aunt's murder...

this season was excellent only ONE ep. was kinda off but overall GREAT...

FX should get Breaking Bad if AMC REALLY tries to screw them over:D

whats the story with AMC and Breaking Bad?
 
and I really liked that dude...

he been on the show awhile...

just to show they will get rid of anyone...

especially since he had the day off for his son's t-ball game...:(

nice touch for them to have Raylan sit in the chair JUST LIKE he does n the posters...

but I'm not buying him not killing Dickie after his Aunt's murder...

this season was excellent only ONE ep. was kinda off but overall GREAT...

FX should get Breaking Bad if AMC REALLY tries to screw them over:D

Its a toss up with Dickie, Raylen wants him in jail and Boyd wants to kill him. Im wondering is this the last we will see of him. He got pardoned, just to go back to jail?
 
whats the story with AMC and Breaking Bad?

http://screenrant.com/breaking-bad-season-5-final-season-mcrid-128095/

‘Breaking Bad’ will stay on AMC for fifth and final season. The network has announced an extended 16-episode season 5 order, along with news that the series will conclude afterwards.

Walter and Jesse will return for a 5th season of Breaking Bad

What happens next: ‘Breaking Bad’ Season 5: Walter White’s Fate Revealed?

AMC announced the renewal of its acclaimed series Breaking Bad this weekend, adding that the 5th season would be its last. Throughout its run, the show has garnered critical and viewer acclaim, and has been instrumental in AMC’s rise in the original programming scene.

Breaking Bad‘s fifth season will consist of 16 episodes – three more than we saw in seasons 2 – 4 (season 1 was only 7 episodes) . The extended order should give the writers some extra room to wrap up the series. The final episodes will begin airing in mid-2012.

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The show has been a critical hit, winning six Emmy awards in three years. Series lead Bryan Cranston (who plays mild-mannered-school-teacher-turned-ruthless-meth-maker Walter White) has won Outstanding Lead Actor for an incredible three years running. The Season 4 premiere on July 17th scored an impressive (by cable standards) 2.6 million total viewers.

Creator Vince Gilligan had this to say on ending the successful series:

It’s a funny irony — I’d hate to know the date of my own last day on earth, but I’m delighted to know what Walter White’s will be (episodically speaking). This is a great gift to me and to my wonderful writers. It’s knowledge which will allow us to properly build our story to a satisfying conclusion… I’m lucky to get to work with them on sixteen more episodes, and I will always be grateful to both AMC and Sony Television, who from the beginning, believed in our show and supported me creatively and professionally. We have been able to take risks with Breaking Bad which would not have been possible on other networks.​

If the drama onscreen has been compelling, it’s been nothing next to the behind-the-scenes events at AMC as of late. Budget issues led to rumors of a network change for Breaking Bad earlier this month. This followed a protracted negotiation for AMC’s flagship series Mad Men and a scandalous shake-up for The Walking Dead‘s production team – both reportedly due to AMC’s wishes to lower costs.

Some may balk at ending such a well-received show after only five years, and it would certainly be possible to extend it for at least another few seasons.

The decision probably sprung somewhere between AMC’s continually tightening purse-strings and Breaking Bad writer/producer/director Vince Gilligan’s desire to end the series on a high note.

As a fan of Breaking Bad and its characters, I must say I’m excited to see the series end on a definitive and intentional timetable. Too many excellent shows are drawn out long past their sell-by date, ending on a protracted and sour final season. In the case of Breaking Bad, at least, viewers will be treated to a complete (and hopefully satisfying) story.
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thanks. AMC got all these good shows and still want to be cheap:smh:

HBO ACTUALLY thought they had a shot of stealing Mad Men after passing on it years ago:smh:

cause the Killing aint really all that and if they fuck up next season of Walking Dead with all that slow too much talking shit...:smh:
 
So quarless didn't shoot the cop. Raylens father thought it was him lol.

shit broke my heart:(

Dude thought Boyd the racist neo-nazi criminal was more of his son and was willing to go to jail for him...

wife was pissed I figured it out early when the father walked into the bar and said I thought it was you:D

BGOL ruins you cause you always looking for the twist early...

this show is so consistently good it is just AMAZING!!!
 
quarles reachin' for his arm... and raylan playin' keep-away with it... straight comedy...

limehouse ain't to be fucked with...
 
What's the show about because a friend of mines been trying to get me to watch it..


I saw the trailer to it but it looks too western too me :confused:
 
quarles reachin' for his arm... and raylan playin' keep-away with it... straight comedy...

limehouse ain't to be fucked with...

I got some questions though did Limehouse's boy come back to KILL Limehouse???

Was that whole thing a rouse?

Was the young boy trying to save Limehouse's life???
 
Justified 3.13 FAQ

What’s it called?
“Slaughterhouse.”

Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Fred Golan (“Boomtown,” “Bloody Harlan,” “The Gunfighter”).

What says FX?
“After the murder of his friend, Raylan is a man on fire as he goes after any- and everyone he holds responsible on the way to a bloody final showdown.”

Natalie Zea has signed for a pilot over at Fox. Does Quarles tonight murder Winona Givens Hawkins and Raylan’s unborn baby?
After sitting out the last four episodes, Zea unexpectedly returns tonight.

Is Arlo still taking orders from Head Helen?
No. Boyd makes Arlo take his meds this week.

Do any Tonins return tonight?

Detroit crime boss Theo Tonin (Adam Arkin) makes his second appearance.

How does it start?
With Raylan waiting around with Art.

The big news?
Raylan is finally introduced to the business end of Quarles’ sleeve-gun. And we learn at last where Ellstin Limehouse hides his cash. (Hint: It is not buried beneath a church.):D

What else is FX not telling us?
Tim Olyphant’s “Deadwood” co-star Jim Beaver makes his fifth “Justified” appearance, this time as newly minted Sheriff Shelby. Cathy Cahlin Ryan, who played Vic Mackey’s wife on “The Shield,” guest stars on tonight’s episode as a Christian rock aficionado and kidnap victim.

What of Ava?
She demonstrates tonight her pimp-hand is strong.:lol:

What’s great?
Jere Burns. Neal McDonough. Mykelti Williamson. The callback to Pruitt Taylor Vince’s Glenn Fogle. Raylan’s final scene with Wynn Duffy. “That’s right. They’re outside.” “That one you can keep.” “The expression ain’t. On account of the truth contained therein.” Tim Olyphant generally but his use of a meaty prop in particular.

What’s not so great?
The episode fleetingly rips off one of the best gags from “Midnight Run.”

How does the third season of “Justified” end, spoiler boy?
Raylan Givens dons his Stetson and exits.

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What's the show about because a friend of mines been trying to get me to watch it..


I saw the trailer to it but it looks too western too me :confused:

a u.s. marshal named raylan givens ..gets transferred back to his hometown in rural kentucky ... after a questionable but "justified" shooting of a criminal down in miami....

and he chases down fugitives ... and many times the fugitives he's chasin'..have a history with him...sometimes goin' back to childhood...

his main nemesis on the show is boyd crowder ...

the premise of the show is pretty straight-forward .. but the colorfullness of the characters and the dialogue along with the intricacy of how the storylines weave together... make it interestin'...

it's kinda like a modern-day western... but i like westerns...
 
What's the show about because a friend of mines been trying to get me to watch it..


I saw the trailer to it but it looks too western too me :confused:

I JUST finished reading two works the series is based on...

to read the same characters and Kentucky and almost all the stories in the book are included throughout each and every season:cool:

EXCELLENT go to to your local library, Amazon or the E-book board...

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!

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i STILL do not understand the significance of this...

at first I thought it was to let him know if Lims's backup was coming up the hill...
 
Yoooo!! Nice ending that next to last scene was off the hook...shit almost literally if you ask Quarles

i was hating on the ex-wife Winona for a minute and they threw me when a DRUNK Raylan kissed Ava earlier...

but with just the quick final scene you already saw that she is REALLY doing what she thinks is best for the baby...
 
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