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That's all it is. Lebron is not scared of the paint. He'll likely have a much longer career as a SF as opposed to being a PF. Carrying that extra weight is not good on your knees. All the extra physical contact on the defensive end is taxing too.

Yeah....I get it too. And the main issue is playing PF on the defensive end. His game won't change much on the offensive end.

Yeah its a business decision. But that weight with the combination of his speed and strength....that's partly what made him so dominant so he's going to have to adapt and that adaption isn't going to be easy.

Cavs will be fine!! Only 3 games in folks - and trust I don't give a shit about Bron or the Cavs.. However, if they expect to just outscore everyone in order to win - good luck with that.

They in the East. They can struggle and get into the post season. I've only seen them one game but I don't like the make up of their roster. I don't see enough role players on that team and people can say what they want about the Heat and how they had that Big 3 but they had some crucial pieces around those guys.

Some of these guys just have to get their roles defined.
 
Different system and he's playing with a PG that needs to have the rock. It's going to take them some time to figure it out.

I told people about Love. They got caught up in those stats on a bum ass squad.

They'll get the offense figured out but I told Gene and everyone else.. How are they going to get stops on the perimeter?

I was against the love trade at first.

They have Marion to help on the perimeter.

But the problem isn't the defense, Kyrie isn't running the fucking offense. He has admitted that he sees shit Blatt doesn't see. They also stand around when Lebron gets the ball.

Shit is a train wreck.

Blatt needs to get this shit on the rail. Thompson is taking shots like he is Malone or Barkley....the fuck......Lack of movement has forced Waiters into 'fuck it' mode.

Offense is a mess for such a talented team.
 
I was against the love trade at first.

They have Marion to help on the perimeter.

But the problem isn't the defense, Kyrie isn't running the fucking offense. He has admitted that he sees shit Blatt doesn't see. They also stand around when Lebron gets the ball.

Shit is a train wreck.

Blatt needs to get this shit on the rail. Thompson is taking shots like he is Malone or Barkley....the fuck......Lack of movement has forced Waiters into 'fuck it' mode.

Offense is a mess for such a talented team.

Cats was hyping up Thompson. To my knowledge he has that range. He should have the greenlight from the perimeter.
 
They have Marion to help on the perimeter.

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Marion is older and slower now. It's not even about the trade to me. The rebounding and scoring (spacing) you pick up with Love will be worth it. It's just about this team not being a good perimeter defensive team. And this coach is known for his offense..not defense.

Yall need to get Coach Mike Brown back on that bench as an assistant coach :lol:
 
Still early. Way too early to go into panic mode. Remember when the Heat struggled the beginning of their first season together? Shit, they were barely .500 after the first 15 games but turned it around. They will be fine. Putting together that type of talent and redefining roles, with a new coach takes time.
 
This article pretty much sums up everything y'all staying


Lebron James and the Cavs are taking a little while to click..
All-Star games can be fun. The mix of unselfish superstars, outrageous skill sets, and the exhibition setting can lead to some thrilling play – whether that comes in the form of five fancy passes leading to a highlight finish, or some one-on-one brilliance.

All-Star games can also be truly boring. NBA superstars might be tighter than ever as they text away to each other following games or barnstorm with each other selling sneakers overseas in the summer, but that doesn’t guarantee they’ll play well together. Passes will miss their target. The usual alpha-males will actually back down and defer with the ball. Instructions won’t be barked out, because nobody wants to hurt anyone else’s feelings.

The Cleveland Cavaliers have three current All-Stars on their team; they have a former lottery pick as a top reserve forward, a former four-time All-Star as a utility man, a former Rookie of the Year, and a reserve swingman that likes to think of himself as an All-Star. The team has lost two out of its first three games to start the season, with its lone win coming in overtime against a Bulls team that was playing without its starting backcourt down the stretch.

The defense looks bad, the offense looks choppy, and LeBron James looks listless.

And that’s just fine. This is the first week of November.

At their absolute best, when (and not “if”) the Cavaliers finally put it altogether, they are not going to be a perfect team. They will not be rattling the 70-win cage, and the team’s front office will have to deftly manage surrounding the stars with role players then can at least approximate the team’s obvious needs. This will not be a knockout defensive team, and there will always be some level of perimeter uncertainty between LeBron James and Kyrie Irving. Toss in the ultra-usage of one Dion Waiters, the type of player James never had to deal with as he ham-and-egged it with Dwyane Wade in Miami, and you’ve got growing pains.

James was noticeably indifferent down the stretch of Tuesday night’s blowout loss to the Portland Trail Blazers. Cleveland started out well enough, beginning the contest 10-10 from the field, but it could not create distance and pull away from a Blazers squad that was whipping the ball around the court and scoring with nearly as much ease. Portland’s defense adjusted its screen and roll coverage, Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters started fancying themselves better scorers than they really are, and James basically gave up on the game in order to … teach his young teammates a lesson?

That can be the only excuse, right? From LeBron’s postgame remarks to several reporters last night, as relayed by Sports Illustrated’s Ben Golliver:

“There’s been a lot of losing basketball around here for a few years. A lot of guys who are going to help us win haven’t played a lot of meaningful basketball games in our league. When we get to that point where every possession matters, no possessions off, we have to move the ball, share the ball, be unselfish, we’ll be a better team. A lot of bad habits have been built over the last couple of years. When you play that style of basketball it takes a lot to get it up out of you. But I’m here to help.”

It’s good that LeBron is here to help, but he absolutely cannot play the role of the martyr for this to succeed. It’s just fine for a coaching Phil Jackson to clip his nails on the bench and refuse to call a timeout when his team is on the losing end of a 14-2 run, but James can (to put it lightly) significantly influence the outcome of a pro basketball game.

With that in place, it’s easy to understand why James would martyr-it up.

Kyrie Irving (who missed 14 of 17 shots) fell back on bad habits on both ends of the ball last night, attempting isolation plays offensively when the movement broke down while getting torched by a resurgent Damian Lillard defensively. Waiters also felt the Lillard burn a few times, and he was an absolute nightmare offensively – acting as a terrible, chucking Dion Waiters-stereotype even on the shots he did make.

Anderson Varejao was lured all around the court by Portland’s offense, so he was little help as a rim protector. Tristan Thompson abandoned the off the ball workmanship that made him such a killer in the Bulls win, and coach David Blatt made some curious substitutions both late and midway through quarters.

It was … it was the work of a team that was just put together a few months ago.

It was the work of a team with a lot of bad habits to fix, it was the work of a team running with a rookie head coach, and it was the work of a team filled with formerly-friendly contemporaries that now have to become trusted teammates.

Of course, cable TV morons won’t recognize this, because they have airtime to fill as they preach to the sort of drooling simpletons that would be home watching basic cable sports chatter in the middle of a weekday. The Cleveland Cavaliers will likely saunter into Utah on Wednesday night, win handily against a rebuilding Jazz squad, move their record back up to .500 and have 78 more games to figure it out.

James’ Heat team, in spite of some fits of brilliance, didn’t figure out its spacing and defensive schemes until the playoffs in his second year with Miami. That’s after 148 regular season games and an extended 2011 playoff run to the Finals. For nearly two whole years, that Heat team mostly succeeded merely by acting as the sum of their parts, and they nearly won a title that way. Once it clicked, two titles resulted.

It may take this Cavs team just as long, but that’s just fine. When it clicks (and it will click), they’ll be just fine.

The Cleveland Cavaliers have real basketball problems, and not cable TV fodder, to deal with. The offensive movement is lacking for long stretches. Their perimeter defense is porous, and the Varejao/Love front court is providing little resistance in the paint. The team is not rebounding as well as it should, LeBron James has not been his usual self around the basket so far this season, David Blatt’s in-game adjustments could use quite a bit of work, and someone needs to tell Dion Waiters and Tristan Thompson exactly where they rank in the pecking order.

Then there is the whole problem of never being here before. Not just for Love and Irving, who’ve yet to play a playoff game. Not just for Blatt, well-respected but without any NBA coaching experience. Not just for Waiters and Thompson.

For LeBron James. For all of them. This is something entirely new for each and every member of this potentially-dynastic but imperfect squad.

Tip-off is at 9:00 on Wednesday night, Cleveland-time.

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That nigga better put that weight back on....I dont' know what the fuck he's done but he needs to re-do whatever the fuck he did.

Kevin Love done brought his losing ways to Lebron and shit. Should've left that cac in Minnie. And I know people gonna say oh he's playing well. He's a loser and he's contagious.

How are you going to blame Love and not Kyrie, who has the ball a whole lot more :confused:
 
Still early. Way too early to go into panic mode. Remember when the Heat struggled the beginning of their first season together? Shit, they were barely .500 after the first 15 games but turned it around. They will be fine. Putting together that type of talent and redefining roles, with a new coach takes time.

In the Heat's case they had PROVEN vets

Bosh took the raps to the playoffs
Wade won a chip

Love and Irving ain't proved shit, even if and when they do start to gel the cavs will never be better than the Heat in situational basketball

Waiters still want out.
 
A lot of moving pieces. Remember when Miami first game together they were like 10-10 over their first 20 games or something.

No. Irving isn't running the offense. I said during the summer Kyrie would have to play like a true PG for this to work. Kyrie is doing the same exact fuckery he pulled the last few years.

Brian Windhurst wrote a piece about Lebron purposely letting Kyrie and waiters shoot them out of games while not running blatt's offense.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ung-cleveland-cavaliers?ex_cid=espnnbaTwitter


Kyrie then frustrates Waiters(as it did the last two years), who then takes bad shots since he isn't getting touches.

Cavs been there and done this with Kyrie. I just didn't know he'd try to pull this shit with Lebron. And unlike Durant, Lebron isn't going to let his PG hijack the fucking offense.

Kyrie is a stubborn, egotistical fuck. It's good that Lebron has Blatt's back if Blatt has to bench the bitch for not running his sets. Blatt shouldn't fall into what the other coaches did and make Waiters the scapecoat. Not when your PG admitted to the press he isn't running your sets. :smh:


In the Heat's case they had PROVEN vets

Bosh took the raps to the playoffs
Wade won a chip

Love and Irving ain't proved shit, even if and when they do start to gel the cavs will never be better than the Heat in situational basketball

Waiters still want out.

Cut the shit on Love. If Bosh played in the west, he would have never sniffed the post season. Love plays in the east, he gets in(Timberwolves won 40 games in a tougher conference).

You're right about Kyrie.
 
No. Irving isn't running the offense. I said during the summer Kyrie would have to play like a true PG for this to work. Kyrie is doing the same exact fuckery he pulled the last few years.

Brian Windhurst wrote a piece about Lebron purposely letting Kyrie and waiters shoot them out of games while not running blatt's offense.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ung-cleveland-cavaliers?ex_cid=espnnbaTwitter


Kyrie then frustrates Waiters(as it did the last two years), who then takes bad shots since he isn't getting touches.

Cavs been there and done this with Kyrie. I just didn't know he'd try to pull this shit with Lebron. And unlike Durant, Lebron isn't going to let his PG hijack the fucking offense.

Kyrie is a stubborn, egotistical fuck. It's good that Lebron has Blatt's back if Blatt has to bench the bitch for not running his sets. Blatt shouldn't fall into what the other coaches did and make Waiters the scapecoat. Not when your PG admitted to the press he isn't running your sets. :smh:




Cut the shit on Love. If Bosh played in the west, he would have never sniffed the post season. Love plays in the east, he gets in(Timberwolves won 40 games in a tougher conference).

You're right about Kyrie.

Me cut the shit? Go back to the season bosh made the playoffs and tell me how many teams in the east was above .500 I will wait
 
No. Irving isn't running the offense. I said during the summer Kyrie would have to play like a true PG for this to work. Kyrie is doing the same exact fuckery he pulled the last few years.

yall cats never learn about looking at both sides of ball.

There are 30 teams in the NBA. You know where Cleveland is ranked defensively? 26th!

The problem is the defense..which I told yall during the summer.
 
To me both Kyrie and Waiters dribble are dribbling the ball way too much, and they are thinking instead of following their instincts but sadly their instincts are not to pass first..
I think the Cavs can beat just about anyone, if LeBron did what he did vs the Bulls, but by doing so the team will not grow up and will not be able to be the better teams in the west..
I give them a few months to get their act together then after that one of the two will be traded..
 
yall cats never learn about looking at both sides of ball.

There are 30 teams in the NBA. You know where Cleveland is ranked defensively? 26th!

The problem is the defense..which I told yall during the summer.

And they rank 20th in offense(and that's with an overtime game to pad the stats :smh: ).... Who would have guessed that? Without the OT game, they would be damn near last in the league offensively.

They only scored 90 points against the knicks.They scored 82 last night. How is this team only putting up 90 and 82 points.

Tell me about defense when they score 100 points and lose(and you will be right).

And I'm not saying defense isn't a concern, but the offense is much more of a mess right now. I'll worry about defense when Kyrie, Waiters, and Thompson get their shit together on the offensive end.
 
To me both Kyrie and Waiters dribble are dribbling the ball way too much, and they are thinking instead of following their instincts but sadly their instincts are not to pass first..
I think the Cavs can beat just about anyone, if LeBron did what he did vs the Bulls, but by doing so the team will not grow up and will not be able to be the better teams in the west..
I give them a few months to get their act together then after that one of the two will be traded..

If you watched the Cavs the last few years, you know Waiters took the blame when shit like this happened. Kyrie was off limits. That was until the GM was fired and the new GM came into the locker room and said no one was off limits.

Blatt is falling into the same trap. He is quick to sit Waiters, meanwhile your PG is out there and won't run your sets. Sit his ass down.
 
If you watched the Cavs the last few years, you know Waiters took the blame when shit like this happened. Kyrie was off limits. That was until the GM was fired and the new GM came into the locker room and said no one was off limits.

Blatt is falling into the same trap. He is quick to sit Waiters, meanwhile your PG is out there and won't run your sets. Sit his ass down.

Something is telling me LeBron is going to wind up playing point forward, and Waiters and Irving will be the ones at the wing... Because right now the two are not collapsing the paint with the dribble penetration then kicking the ball out to the shooters, like they are supposed to..
 
Me cut the shit? Go back to the season bosh made the playoffs and tell me how many teams in the east was above .500 I will wait

Raptors made it in with 41 wins. Two playoff teams were below 500 in 2007-2008. The west's 8th seed at 50 wins...

2006-07 the best team in the east only had 53 fucking wins. 5 teams in the west had 51 wins or more. Below 500 team made the playoffs in the east. Super tough conference.

2013-14 Loves team had 40 wins in a conference where the 8th seed at 49 wins(even Bosh's 47 win team wouldn't have made the cut, although they are probably looking at 40 wins in the west).

The biggest knock on Lebron was that he played in the east. When Bosh made the playoffs in 07, the Cavs went to the finals. Lebron's achievement was questioned because experts said the conference was so weak.

Now cats clowning Love for not making the playoffs in the West without any help(he has the worst shooting PG in the fucking game).
 
Something is telling me LeBron is going to wind up playing point forward, and Waiters and Irving will be the ones at the wing... Because right now the two are not collapsing the paint with the dribble penetration then kicking the ball out to the shooters, like they are supposed to..

That won't solve the problem. Even if Lebron does that, when he swings the ball to them they will try to create instead of running the offense and using ball movement.
 
And they rank 20th in offense(and that's with an overtime game to pad the stats :smh: ).... Who would have guessed that? Without the OT game, they would be damn near last in the league offensively.

20th puts a couple of spots off of being "middle of the pick". Lebron getting his average back up to 50% gets them there. Thats no issue. I'm not surprised they are there right now. It's gonna take time for this offense to gel regardless of whether or not Kyrie is running the offense. Lebron came in 20 pounds lighter and made a full move back to SF. Love is now not the #1 option on offense. Waiters is not a starter. Kyrie has to get used to not having the ball all the time. it's gonna take them a month to get into the group.

But defense is a different story. You aren't winning titles as the 26th ranked defense period. And defense is about scheme, effort, and ability. They're already ability-challenged because they don't have the types of bodies to defense the perimeter. Lebron is a good defender on the perimeter but not great. Their best perimeter defender comes off the bench.

This team is going to need to score 110 point a game every night. That's not where you want to be. Look at times like Memphis that hold teams to an average of 89 points a game. That's a wide gap.

The offense can improve by 10 points a game and that still doesn't cover the spread on their defense.

Cleveland is giving up 108 points a game man.

You're not seeing it because you're focused on Kyrie and the offense. Name the last championship team that wasn't good on the defensive side of the ball?

Spurs were ranked 4th on defense last season
Miami 7th when they won
Miami 4th when they won the first one..

You win titles with defense man. This squad is gonna have serious problems beating elite teams unless the defensive issues are addressed unless you're depending on scoring 120 points a night. Ask the Warriors how far that gets them every year.
 
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That won't solve the problem. Even if Lebron does that, when he swings the ball to them they will try to create instead of running the offense and using ball movement.

Well their job at that point would be to either catch and shoot or drive, at least they wouldn't have to try to figure things out, instead of meaningless dribbling for 12 secs.. If they can't do that then they will be replaced...
 
yall cats never learn about looking at both sides of ball.

There are 30 teams in the NBA. You know where Cleveland is ranked defensively? 26th!

The problem is the defense..which I told yall during the summer.

LoL

Kyrie nor love play D :lol:
 
LoL

Kyrie nor love play D :lol:

I was telling them this shit all fucking summer. Kyrie can't play defense. Love can't either. Waiters is just an average defender but he doesn't really care about it. Verajao is alright in the paint. The only player worth a damn as a defender on the perimeter is Lebron.
 
20th puts a couple of spots off of being "middle of the pick". Lebron getting his average back up to 50% gets them there. Thats no issue. I'm not surprised they are there right now. It's gonna take time for this offense to gel regardless of whether or not Kyrie is running the offense. Lebron came in 20 pounds lighter and made a full move back to SF. Love is now not the #1 option on offense. Waiters is not a starter. Kyrie has to get used to not having the ball all the time. it's gonna take them a month to get into the group.

But defense is a different story. You aren't winning titles as the 26th ranked defense period. And defense is about scheme, effort, and ability. They're already ability-challenged because they don't have the types of bodies to defense the perimeter. Lebron is a good defender on the perimeter but not great. Their best perimeter defender comes off the bench.

This team is going to need to score 110 point a game every night. That's not where you want to be. Look at times like Memphis that hold teams to an average of 89 points a game. That's a wide gap.

The offense can improve by 10 points a game and that still doesn't cover the spread on their defense.

Cleveland is giving up 108 points a game man.

You're not seeing it because you're focused on Kyrie and the offense. Name the last championship team that wasn't good on the defensive side of the ball?

Cleveland gave up 108 in an OT game. They gave up 95 to the knicks. They gave up 102 last night. Removing the OT game, they win all these games if they are where there offense should be.

For 4qts, they are giving up 98 points. For 4qts, they are scoring 90 points. So as of right now, the offensive woes are something that should be very concerning. Their 4qt defense is middle of the pack. Their 4qt offense is damn near last in the league.

There is no guarantee Kyrie changes, so the offense could be more of a problem than we think. Getting Kyrie out of shoot-first mode may require divine intervention. And as long as he stays in that mode, Waiters stays in his. Seen this show for years now. :smh:

Cavs basically have the same offensive problems they had before Lebron and Blatt. It's frightening to think Kyrie is still in this mode. He shouldn't be.
 
Well their job at that point would be to either catch and shoot or drive, at least they wouldn't have to try to figure things out, instead of meaningless dribbling for 12 secs.. If they can't do that then they will be replaced...

So basically, they have to abandon the system because of Kyrie. I think Waiters can be easily put in check if Kyrie cuts his shit. And if not, he can go.
 
If you watched the Cavs the last few years, you know Waiters took the blame when shit like this happened. Kyrie was off limits. That was until the GM was fired and the new GM came into the locker room and said no one was off limits.

Blatt is falling into the same trap. He is quick to sit Waiters, meanwhile your PG is out there and won't run your sets. Sit his ass down.

Trade kyrie for Rondo
 
How many points do you think Cleveland averages? :lol: It's 99 points a game. One more free throw ain't gonna make the different dawg.

You're counting the OT, I'm going by 4qt. We all knew there would be problems on defense, but 90 pt average for 4qt is fucking pathetic and unexpected.
 
Can't say I'm surprised by this as the team hired a euro coach, traded away all its depth, and LeBron is one of the worst player GMs in the league.

If Rose didn't get hurt (yes I know that is unfathomable) the Cavs wouldn't even win the division.
 
I was telling them this shit all fucking summer. Kyrie can't play defense. Love can't either. Waiters is just an average defender but he doesn't really care about it. Verajao is alright in the paint. The only player worth a damn as a defender on the perimeter is Lebron.

Basically

Bron should've stayed in Miami 1 more yr

Heats bread and butter was their defense

Bosh and wade when healthy , mofos was averaging like 25 pts off TOs and fast break points
 
For 4qts, they are giving up 98 points. For 4qts, they are scoring 90 points. So as of right now, the offensive woes are something that should be very concerning.

I think you're thinking short-term. Wade, Lebron, and Bosh struggled their first 20 games together.

They only crossed 100 eight times over their first 15 games. You're looking at chemistry issues on the offensive end.

That doesn't explain the defense though.
 
Trade kyrie for Rondo

Who knows what happens if Kyrie doesn't change. He been through two coaches already who couldn't get through to him. He is already challenging Blatt's system and Lebron.

Kyrie won't last here if he keeps this shoot-first shit up on a Lebron team. Lebron won't have a ball dominant PG who shoots first. His name isn't Durant.
 
You're counting the OT, I'm going by 4qt. We all knew there would be problems on defense, but 90 pt average for 4qt is fucking pathetic and unexpected.

There is no cherry picking. OT is apart of the game. It counts.

Good teams struggle offensively and still win games because of their defense.

Memphis scored 71 two nights ago and still won!

And Cleveland hasn't even played good offensive teams that will exploit their defense. Only top 10 offensive team they've played was Chicago and D. Rose didn't even finish the game :smh:

Platt needs to devise a good defensive scheme for the defense...offense will work itself out.
 
Basically

Bron should've stayed in Miami 1 more yr

Heats bread and butter was their defense

Bosh and wade when healthy , mofos was averaging like 25 pts off TOs and fast break points

Everyone ignores that. Wade having the issues with his knees fucked the defense up. They really didn't need his scoring as much as his defense.
 
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