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Chuck definitely left a will but knowing him out of spite he completely cut Jimmy out. Hopefully, Jimmy can work his magic and alter the will somehow so that he can get ahold of some of the HHM buyout money. He's gonna need it now that he had to give up his Sandpiper payday to bring peace back to the retirement home.
 
Chuck definitely left a will but knowing him out of spite he completely cut Jimmy out. Hopefully, Jimmy can work his magic and alter the will somehow so that he can get ahold of some of the HHM buyout money. He's gonna need it now that he had to give up his Sandpiper payday to bring peace back to the retirement home.
Jimmy didn't give up the Sandpiper payout - just delayed it
 
Let me say this...
If this were to drop before Breaking Bad, both would have flopped...
I get the character incite thingy, but to me they are stalling, dragging a story with little to no plot, while paying attention to the character themselves...
I mean, I am sick and tired of seeing them fill dead air time by watching them search and tear through something for ten mins on tv... I understand it was done of dramatic effect, the later to show how mentally ill the brother is, but I knew he was bat shit from the jump, and to me he never did anything that was sane...
And to be honest, how many of you guys didn't know he was going to eventually do some dumb shit like that...
But all that aside, I still watched that slow motion version of concrete setting, for nostalgia reasons, I really love Breaking Bad and watching it always gives you the sense that something good is about to pop off, but sadly the only things half way exciting to happen was the last show, but then again we knew dude was going to eventually take the pill and have the stroke or what ever, and we knew what was going to happen to the brother...
Will I watch it next season, yes... Would I have watched it or Breaking Bad if this were to come out first, Hells no!!!!

Well....


Yeah. That's kinda the point.

The only way this show works is if it's a prequel. The main story arch's and characters are already built from Bad' so all they have to do is flesh em out more.

Better Call Saul is like a very good side/appetizer to a fabulous main dish.

*two cents*
 
Well....


Yeah. That's kinda the point.

The only way this show works is if it's a prequel. The main story arch's and characters are already built from Bad' so all they have to do is flesh em out more.

Better Call Saul is like a very good side/appetizer to a fabulous main dish.

*two cents*
True, but don't you get the feeling that they are teasing the viewer with shit... A good example of that was season one when he had those kids do the scam thingy, and immediatly I was saying yes this is the Sal I know and like, but then he falls back into this boring, stupid charecter that is bumbling his way through the lame plot..
I am actually at the point of being convinced that the show should be called better call Mike, because his story is >>>>> at this point..
 
True, but don't you get the feeling that they are teasing the viewer with shit... A good example of that was season one when he had those kids do the scam thingy, and immediatly I was saying yes this is the Sal I know and like, but then he falls back into this boring, stupid charecter that is bumbling his way through the lame plot..
I am actually at the point of being convinced that the show should be called better call Mike, because his story is >>>>> at this point..
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Well hell fam if it was up to me I'd have the show be 'In Gus We Trust' cause he has the most captivating back story of all of them.

Jimmy is a good fit because he - in the prequel- is a man without a country; torn between the square world and the criminal. He still hasn't chose (yet) and because of that we get to see both worlds.

With Jimmy you get into everything. He's a great vehicle to run the story through cause of that.

*two cents*

 
Naw, I don't think he was guilty at all. His life was law. Without law he had nothing.

He wanted to win, and was waiting around for Jimmy to get the last laugh
Yeah this,

Jimmy didn't fuck Chuck up, it was being forced out in such a personal way that he couldn't deal with
 
Im still wondering why sauls brothers meter was

still running, when he wasnt using any power?

No, I think it actually wasn't running after he cut the breakers. That was his delusion telling him it was running. Go back and watch the scene after he left the meter the last time before he destroyed. They showed it wasn't actually running. But whenever Chuck looked at it, it was running
 
Great Breakdown about the Jimmy/Chuck dynamic written by noted tv critic Alan Sepinwell...couldnt have said it better myself

The good brother devoted his life to the rules. He studied them, he followed them, he built a whole career and ideology around them. He was successful and widely respected, but he rarely felt as loved as the not-so-good brother, for whom the rules were an inconvenience to be stretched or shattered or ignored altogether. Everyone knew the other brother was no good, but they loved him anyway, and that included the good brother, who cared for him as a boy and bailed him out of repeated troubles as a man.

And it’s there that the tale of the two brothers became truly complex, and tragic. Because the not-so-good brother suddenly, after all these years, decided that the good brother was worth imitating, and he did everything he could to be good, down to choosing the same rules-honoring profession. And he genuinely meant it, even if he was never destined to be as big a stickler as the good brother. But the good brother — suffering from a mental illness that he refused to acknowledge as such, and waited on hand and foot by the now somewhat-good brother — had become so curdled with resentment from decades of watching his sibling slip and fall through life, with no real consequences, that he refused to believe in this conversion, and in fact went so far out of his way to hamstring this career change that his suspicions became a self-fulfilling prophecy: the harder he leaned on his brother, the more his brother felt he had to push back against the rules just to survive. Eventually, things grew so tense and ugly between the two that the somewhat-good brother had to publicly humiliate the good brother in a last-ditch attempt to stop the good brother from taking his career away. The good brother finally reckoned with the reality of his illness, and briefly seemed to be making progress with it, but in the end, it was just too much to bear, and he destroyed first his beautiful home, and then his own life, using a lantern — very much like the one he once used to read to his younger sibling — to burn the whole place down with himself inside.

That’s the worst part. But almost as bad is that, before he spiraled into madness and decided there was no way out, the good brother said the worst possible thing he could say to the somewhat-good brother, who had always craved love and respect, and from his honorable sibling most of all:

“I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but the truth is, you’ve never mattered all that much to me.”

And the somewhat-good brother was then destined to become not-so-good again, and then worse, and worse, and worse, until he fulfilled every fear the good brother ever had about him, tearing apart lives as easily as he broke every rule the good brother had dedicated every fiber of his being to.

The End.

http://uproxx.com/sepinwall/better-call-saul-season-finale-recap-lantern-review-chuck-mcgill/
 
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This is a good summary, and I do think Chuck unintentionally helped push along Jimmy into becoming what he's ultimately going to become (Saul). But I think it was going to happen anyway. Even if Jimmy took a Jr Lawyer position at HHM, some scenario would have occurred that Jimmy would have seen a corner to cut or a shortcut to take and IMO he would have eventually done it.

That doesn't really make Jimmy a bad person, but I think Chuck's instincts were right about Jimmy as a lawyer, but he just didn't take the right approach at all in terms of how he handled it. Chuck's ego couldn't allow Jimmy to be any kind of lawyer as long as there was any kind of association between the two.
 
What if Chuck survived?

He could have easily gone out the back door and escaped the fire.

His firing caused a break from reality and he destroyed his home. Once he realized what he'd done he deliberately burns his house down and makes it look like an accident. Now he has the insurance+ $3 million dollars to get a new place and nobody will know how crazy be is.
 
Damn. That's fucked up. Gus the one that performed CPR on that mufucka.




Agreed. That was an interesting contrast to Hector taking their lives years later in Breaking Bad in the excellent Face-Off episode at the seniors' residence.

We also got a kick out of the bell/dinger on the counter at Nacho's father's business ... as Hector came in there asking "Where's papi?" and proceeded to intimidate him, and pay him off. A good call-back again to Hector and the bells/dingers, as with the seniors' residence previously noted, and at the cafe/diner earlier in Better Call Saul when Hector came in to talk with Mike, and one of the off-camera cooks rang the bell while prepping meals prior to him walking in ...







 
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I really dont feel that bad for Chuck,Jimmy may be a schemer but when he went legit Chuck brought him down
I dont see Howard as a bad guy because he just followed the lead and advice of Chuck who he highly respected



Agreed. Interesting how the showrunners have given Howard his character arc over the past few seasons. Initially we see him as merely an uppity douche ... but you realize over time he's more than that. Good to see him break it down to Chuck in the boardroom when he asked the others to leave the room. Explaining friendship/business/loyalty ...
 
good to know its finally been renewed




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Better Call Saul is an American television crime drama series created by Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould. It is a spin-off prequel of Gilligan's prior series Breaking Bad.[3] Set between 2002 and 2003, Better Call Saul follows the story of small-time lawyer James Morgan "Jimmy" McGill (Bob Odenkirk), six years before his appearance on Breaking Bad as Saul Goodman; events after the original series are briefly explored as well.[4]

The first season, which premiered on AMC on February 8, 2015,[5] consists of 10 episodes. The show's 10-episode second season premiered on February 15, 2016.[6] The series was renewed for a 10-episode third season,[7] which premiered April 10, 2017.[8] The series was renewed by AMC for a 10-episode fourth season to air in 2018.[9]

Like its predecessor, Better Call Saul has received critical acclaim. It has garnered several nominations, including fourteen Primetime Emmy Awards, seven Writers Guild of America Awards, five Critics' Choice Television Awards, a Screen Actors Guild Award and two Golden Globe Awards. The series premiere held the record for the highest-rated scripted series premiere in basic cable history at the time of its airing.
 
Better Call Saul Season 4 Will Finally Explain A Key Breaking Bad Mystery

Better Call Saul Season 4 is set to explain one plot thread that's been dangling since Saul Goodman's very first appearance in Breaking Bad Season 2 all the way back in 2009. When he was introduced, Saul was a comedic foil to the darker descent of Walter White, helping him launder money and escape capture with a constant, removed sarcasm.

Getting his own spinoff, however, has vastly changed how the audience views Saul. Real name Jimmy McGill, he is a tragic figure, a morally-flawed yet well-meaning person pushed towards bad things by the doubts of those around him, rather than the inherent greed that turned Walter White into Heisenberg. We know where he's heading - both in terms of the man in the hat and his lonely life working in a Nebraskan Cinnabon - and that he's going to fall into a life he doesn't deserve. What's been so impressive about this heavy dose of dramatic irony is how carefully Vince Gilligan and co. have avoided the common prequel pitfall of relying too much on the original.

Related: Better Call Saul Has Become Breaking Bad (And That's Okay)

That's not to say we've not had some delectable Breaking Bad connections. Already in Better Call Saul we've seen a lot of how Jimmy transforms: we've seen him meet Mike, learned where the Saul Goodman pseudonym came from (and had a taste of the legal reasons he'll use it), and in parallel witnessed the war between Gus Fring and Hector Salamanca (and that's not mentioning the wealth of Breaking Bad cameos there's been along the way). However, there's one key aspect that hasn't been addressed yet: Lalo.

SAUL MENTIONED NACHO AND LALO IN HIS FIRST BREAKING BAD APPEARANCE

Saul enters Walter White's saga with extreme reluctance. When Badger is caught dealing, Jesse convinces Walt to go to a "criminal" lawyer to get him free. That lawyer is Saul Goodman, now fully lost in the world of saving law-breakers, and he's if anything too efficient; his plan involves having Badger give the emerging Heisenberg up to the cops. When he turns down a bribe to curb that, Walt and Jesse kidnap Saul, taking him to the desert in a bid to scare him into compliance. This eventually leads to a long and intermittently fruitful-slash-destructive relationship, although it's what Saul says in that fake kidnapping we're interested in.

At first, Saul thinks he's been kidnapped by someone else. He begs, "Oh no no no no. It wasn’t me. It was Ignacio. He’s the one!", and then realizing his current predicament isn't what he thinks, asks "Lalo didn’t send you? No Lalo?"

First things first, Ignacio is none other than Nacho, a key player in Better Call Saul. Introduced first as one of Tuco's henchmen, Nacho becomes involved with both Saul and Mike, hiring the latter to get rid of his boss, which in turn gets him further tied in with Hector Salamanca. In Season 3, he became increasingly disillusioned with his part in the drug trade, plotting to kill Hector as a means to escape. The last we saw him, he managed to instigate a heart attack in Hector, only to pique the suspicions of rival Gus Fring. Saul's namedrop in Breaking Bad, set some five years later, suggests that he survives whatever is to come and winds up on some shaky terms with the lawyer.

Related: Better Call Saul Creator Teases Even More Post-Breaking Bad Story

However, we're yet to have an indication of who Lalo is or how he fits into the bigger picture. That won't stay this way for long, though.

Better Call Saul Season 4 Will Finally Explain A Key Breaking Bad Mystery

LALO IS COMING TO BETTER CALL SAUL SEASON 4

Given that he was mentioned in the very first appearance of Better Call Saul's main character, there's long been anticipation of Lalo appearing in the show; unlike Gus or Hector, who Saul only has tangential relations to pre-Breaking Bad, here's someone with a genuinely destructive influence on his past. That he hasn't appeared is very typical of Vince Gilligan's measured approach to prequel storytelling.

But Lalo's arrival is on the horizon. Bob Odenkirk told Deadline that Lalo is the must-happen event in Better Call Saul, while Wired reported the name was included in a set of characters in the writers' room. Most recently, at the AMC Summit Peter Gould teased that a major, albeit unseen, Breaking Bad character would appear in Better Call Saul Season 4, confirmed by Melissa Bernstein to be Lalo. He's coming soon, so the question now becomes who Lalo is, and how he fits into both Better Call Saul's narrative and the bigger Breaking Bad pantheon.

HOW WILL BETTER CALL SAUL SEASON 4 INTRODUCE LALO?

Long-standing theories have existed that Lalo is actually a pre-existing character: Gus, Hector, Tuco, Skinny Pete. However, not only does the recent promise of the character entering the fray work against that, as does the far too neat manner by which it would tie Saul's story together; it would mean Walt coincidently happens upon a lawyer with a direct link to one of his future foes, something Better Call Saul has so far handled elegantly (see how Jimmy and Gus are unable to meet).

Related: Better Call Saul's Breaking Bad Connections

One of the most coherent theories from the endpoint of Season 3 is that Lalo is a cartel enforcer sent by Don Eladio to clear up the mess of the Fring-Salamanca conflict that is now dangerously imbalanced; the Better Call Saul Season 4 synopsis says Hector's heart attack "throws the Cartel into chaos" and "Nacho finds himself in the crosshairs of deadly forces". It's suggested that Lalo is that force, suspecting Nacho of plotting to kill his boss. Jimmy/Saul then helps him go into hiding via Ed, the disappearer from Breaking Bad. This satisfies a lot of what we need from Lalo: he's a suitably big fish to be scary; Nacho is intrinsically linked; and the thing that Saul claims he didn't do would be, presumably, injure Hector. It would also be a bittersweet end for Nacho, whose arc has been on an opposite trajectory to Jimmy; he gets out of being a criminal but has to live apart from his aging father. If Better Call Saul does end with Jimmy estranged from Kim Wexler, then it's particularly fitting.

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While Lalo is mentioned by Saul very early on, that doesn't have to mean that he's going to be a dominating presence in the final act of Better Call Saul. After all, Saul isn't exactly in hiding after whatever happened with Nacho; his face is plastered all over billboards. All Lalo really needs to be is the biggest looming threat over Jimmy as he ascends through the criminal legal system; the go-to "oh sh*t" moment if anything does go wrong (and given the company Saul will soon keep, that says a lot), rather than the inciting incident. The main thrust of Better Call Saul is Jimmy's descent, and that's something much more internal and relationship-based.

And that, perhaps, is the real brilliance of the show. It's that rare prequel where connectivity to the original isn't the dominating story drive. Everything in Better Call Saulwill line up impressively with Breaking Bad (although Vince Gilligan does regret one of Saul's early throwaway lines), but even Lalo is just one part of a bigger picture.
 
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