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[SamSneed]

Dirty doctor

 

[code_pirahna]

This show is getting better and better

 

[Skinnie Talls]

Great episode

 

[dawilleyone]

Damn that was some powerful shit. Whoever said this pre-quel should have been about Mike instead of Saul got some serious ammunition tonight.

 

[bronski]

Damn that was some powerful shit. Whoever said this pre-quel should have been about Mike instead of Saul got some serious ammunition tonight.

Imagine if the shit was about Mike, Gus, and the mexican cartels, would have been bananas. Who wouldnt want to see the rise of Gus Fringe. Instead we get this. I like Saul and i like the actor, but you can only get so much excitement out of the rise of a small town dirty lawyer.

 

[eagle force]

well we now know why mike became who he was on BB.

 

[havelcok]

sick episode

those cops deserved that shit

fuck em

 

[eagle force]

Imagine if the shit was about Mike, Gus, and the mexican cartels, would have been bananas. Who wouldnt want to see the rise of Gus Fringe. Instead we get this. I like Saul and i like the actor, but you can only get so much excitement out of the rise of a small town dirty lawyer.

like someone said saul is the connective tissue.
i don't think mike, gus or walt would've lasted long in the game without saul (a lawyer that cleans up their money).

its just like the wire when avon and marlo had levy

 

[code_pirahna]

Imagine if the shit was about Mike, Gus, and the mexican cartels, would have been bananas. Who wouldnt want to see the rise of Gus Fringe. Instead we get this. I like Saul and i like the actor, but you can only get so much excitement out of the rise of a small town dirty lawyer.

They are going to show all of these folks....Saul is simply the glue that brings everyone together.....

just like in Breaking Bad.

Gus is going to be another story in the show....

Hell I bet Tuco is back next season

 

[code_pirahna]

Plus Mike was probably so drawn to Jesse because Jesse eventually wanted to do the right thing.....

like his son.

 

[II Dxnum]

Forgot this shit was on.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

best episode of the series by far and saul was in it for all of 5 minutes.
i don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing.

 

[grownazzblakman]

best episode of the series by far and saul was in it for all of 5 minutes.
i don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing.

I actually wanted to see MORE of Saul in this episode.
He's real quirky & always has great 'delivery' of his lines.

Anyways, I agree.. this was definitely the best episode so far ...
and it was a great insight into exactly HOW their lawyer / client relationship got started.

Before this episode they just 'worked at the same place' & occasionally 'crossed paths'.

But now we see exactly 'what makes Mike tick'... PLUS we get to see how Saul is the person who 'connects the dots' (one by one) between ALL the major Breaking Bad characters.

The show is getting better & better.
And I like the pacing so far.

It's not all gunplay, drug lords & meth dealing.... every. single. episode.

SIDENOTE: I don't think a series that revolved around Mike's character ALONE would last as LONG as this one will... because he's not involved in wild shootouts & life-or-death gambits all the time ... he's more like a 'cleaner' or 'free-agent' who leads a quiet life most of the time, so his gun battles & brutal activities always have solid 'purpose' that advances the plot, and pushes the story forward.

But Saul has ALOT more zany activities involved in his day-to-day life that make for good (individual) stories that are tied together, imo.

With Saul as the star.... the stories & casting can go in many, many different directions, as we have already seen.

(ie. Husband & wife embezzlers, twin skateboarding scam artists, psychotic drug-dealers, rival lawyers, dirty cops, hypochondriac brothers, ex-girlfriends, asian salon owners, outrageous publicity stunts.... the list is endless. )

 

[Louis Koo]

there's a lot of praise for this episode, but i felt it was explained too quickly and lacked depth. we dont know shit about the 2 cops who were killed other than they were dirty (i.e. those characters were never fleshed out). in my opinion, it should've been 2 episodes that show the dirtiness of the philly cops via flashbacks.

 

[Skinnie Talls]

Do u think Mike will ever have a flash back of his "half measure" origin with the guy that was beating his wife?

 

[grownazzblakman]

there's a lot of praise for this episode, but i felt it was explained too quickly and lacked depth. we dont know shit about the 2 cops who were killed other than they were dirty (i.e. those characters were never fleshed out). in my opinion, it should've been 2 episodes that show the dirtiness of the philly cops via flashbacks.

Ummm.... this episode was about MIKE... and WHY he ever needed TO HIRE SAUL in the FIRST PLACE... not about those 2 cops.

Because Mike explained everything the audience needs to know about the 2 cops while sitting in the back of their patrol car (and later finished his tale to his daughter-in-law at the very end).

Bottom line... he said.. EVERYONE was dirty at that precinct... EXCEPT his own son.

Maybe you missed it.

Why do you need to see a 'whole episode' of those 2 cops taking payoffs? Or doing other grimy stuff?
That has absolutely nothing to do with Saul, or Mike.

So it would be a waste of time to the general audience.

Because the 'whole point' of the episode was to reveal Mike's personality... by learning about his 'belief system' and what he stands for, by seeing the cunning way he 'thinks ahead' in life-or-death situations & learning about his guilty remorse for 'corrupting' his own son... it's wasn't about 'what kind of cops' those 2 guys were 'back in the day'.

At the end of tonight's episode.... if you have a better sense of 'who is Mike Ehrmantraut?? What kind of person is he?

Then 'mission accomplished'.

But spending more time on those 2 cops is like watching a whole episode about THE SPECIFIC WAY that married couple embezzled their duffle bag of money.

That doesn't move the 'main storylines' forward at all.

 

[Amajorfucup]

there's a lot of praise for this episode, but i felt it was explained too quickly and lacked depth. we dont know shit about the 2 cops who were killed other than they were dirty (i.e. those characters were never fleshed out). in my opinion, it should've been 2 episodes that show the dirtiness of the philly cops via flashbacks.

Fuck yea! And then it should have went into those cops childhoods, and how they decided to become cops, then into their upbringing and relationships with their parents. And to flesh them out dig just a little deeper into their parents work history and employment to see how that played a part in the cops actually becoming cops and their decision making process going forward. Hell yea!

 

[GAMBINO]

Got damn Mike put in his acting skills on this episode tonight.

 

[dawilleyone]

Fuck yea! And then it should have went into those cops childhoods, and how they decided to become cops, then into their upbringing and relationships with their parents. And to flesh them out dig just a little deeper into their parents work history and employment to see how that played a part in the cops actually becoming cops and their decision making process going forward. Hell yea!

 

[OutlawR.O.C.]

Fuck yea! And then it should have went into those cops childhoods, and how they decided to become cops, then into their upbringing and relationships with their parents. And to flesh them out dig just a little deeper into their parents work history and employment to see how that played a part in the cops actually becoming cops and their decision making process going forward. Hell yea!

Exactly!!!!!!

And not only that but how is this a complete story without knowing if those cops wives were compliant before Mike killed them?

I mean how can you understand Saul, or Breaking Bad even, without knowing if those cops wives knelt before Zod

I really feel cheated after this episode

 

[Louis Koo]

Fuck yea! And then it should have went into those cops childhoods, and how they decided to become cops, then into their upbringing and relationships with their parents. And to flesh them out dig just a little deeper into their parents work history and employment to see how that played a part in the cops actually becoming cops and their decision making process going forward. Hell yea!

kill yoself.

 

[playahaitian]

I was glad to get some back story on Mike. Hopefully there's much more of that to come, considering he was such a well-liked character on BB.

Listened to a few eps of the It's Saul Good, Man podcast today and a fan of the show who has given them insight on locations/addresses/photos in Albuquerque, NM in recent memory noted that the house they use for Chuck (Jimmy's brother) is actually on the same block (across the street) from Jesse's home in Breaking Bad.

^^^^^

 

[stretchwallz]

best episode of the series by far and saul was in it for all of 5 minutes.

i don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing.

It was great insight on Mike who's always been an enigma ...but popular. Great backstory and pacing

 

[playahaitian]

best episode of the series by far and saul was in it for all of 5 minutes.
i don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing.

i think its good and testament to the strength of the writing and the direction and future of the show.

Like I been saying Saul is the connective tissue that runs throughout the BB universe. He doesn't need to be in every scene (ALMOST just almost like Raylan can be on Justified at times)

Saul makes everything tick and move and is also effected by EVERYONE else.

I wouldn't want an entire series JUST about Mike or Guz or the twins
no mater how interesting they were on the original series.

They were great and I can understand why a certain segment of the audience would THINK that is a good idea.

Btu people like us who really liked the STORIES and the CHARACTERS together love to see the inner workings the motivation the reactions the aftershocks...

and this show is one of the first and best that has taken an completely unique version of the spin-off its a prequel but it feels like we are also watching Breaking Bad itself from a completely different perceptive.

Remember how you had that idea for Gang Related?

Where the second season should essentially be from ANOTHER member of the task force perspective...

and we would see how Ryan is really viewed by others around him.

They essentially are doing the same here.

I saw them laying the ground work from the first episode...

and it was really obvious with Tuco's appearance.

Would you be COMPLETELY surprised if the final episode of the first season as Saul is waking out of his brother's house he almost hits a skater with his car and the skater says...

Watch where you going BITCH!!!

and its Jessie?

But it would be make PERFECT sense in the universe they have painstakingly created.

 

[N*E*R*D]

Watching this show just feels like dry humping a dime piece through her jeans. Even if the anticipation makes it exciting at first, at some point, she's gonna have to give up that pussy or you lose interest... especially if you already fucked her friend (Breaking Bad) who was a freak in the sheets. It's been 4 episodes of 'potential' with this show... it's time for them to start delivering the goods or I might have to wait and binge watch this shit on Netflix.

basically

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

kill yoself.

you so mad you was wrong

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

It was great insight on Mike who's always been an enigma ...but popular. Great backstory and pacing

That's why it was a good episode. Things developed quicker. There wasn't so much dead time of Saul just staring at a wall or driving around. That shit adds nothing to the story. It doesn't show anything. The people who watch this show already know saul is struggling and working his way up. we get that. you don't have to try and find another way to show us that he doesn't have money every week.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

i think its good and testament to the strength of the writing and the direction and future of the show.

Like I been saying Saul is the connective tissue that runs throughout the BB universe. He doesn't need to be in every scene (ALMOST just almost like Raylan can be on Justified at times)

I don't have a problem with Saul or if he's in every scene or not. Or if he's the feature. The pacing has been OK at best. too much dead air time driving home a point that we already know. If BB audience is the major fanbase then once we establish he's broke, we know... keep it moving

Saul makes everything tick and move and is also effected by EVERYONE else.

I wouldn't want an entire series JUST about Mike or Guz or the twins
no mater how interesting they were on the original series.

They were great and I can understand why a certain segment of the audience would THINK that is a good idea.

No not saying that. I am saying what made this episode great was the pacing.. The pace was perfect whereas it hadn't been to this point. The build has been all wrong. The dead air on the show kills momentum at times and then it doesn't build it back.

Btu people like us who really liked the STORIES and the CHARACTERS together love to see the inner workings the motivation the reactions the aftershocks...

yes

and this show is one of the first and best that has taken an completely unique version of the spin-off its a prequel but it feels like we are also watching Breaking Bad itself from a completely different perceptive.

Remember how you had that idea for Gang Related?

Where the second season should essentially be from ANOTHER member of the task force perspective...

and we would see how Ryan is really viewed by others around him.

They essentially are doing the same here.

I saw them laying the ground work from the first episode...

and it was really obvious with Tuco's appearance.

Would you be COMPLETELY surprised if the final episode of the first season as Saul is waking out of his brother's house he almost hits a skater with his car and the skater says...

Watch where you going BITCH!!!

and its Jessie?

But it would be make PERFECT sense in the universe they have painstakingly created.

Yes i get and agree with all of that. The pacing needs to be better. Way better than it is whether Saul is in the show or not.

 

[playahaitian]

Yes i get and agree with all of that. The pacing needs to be better. Way better than it is whether Saul is in the show or not.

you know....

I understand what you saying now...

they are a little leisurely with the Saul episodes

that slow burn building anticipation with no real payoff.

That COULD be because when they did it on Breaking Bad for so long with those particular actors

Who were so damn good especially working off each other that they were able to convey so much emotion and subtext from body language and facial expressions...

not just words.

You could be right...if I am being unbiased, I see it.

 

[playahaitian]

sidebar; Didnt like how they made the daughter in law so dense at the end

Mike I had to draw her a damn picture.

she was holding it in all this time about the phone call the other 2 died and Mike left and she NEVER even CONSIDERED he might have been involved?

REALLY?

He is CONFESSING on her couch and she is STILL in disbelief?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

you know....

I understand what you saying now...

they are a little leisurely with the Saul episodes

that slow burn building anticipation with no real payoff.

That COULD be because when they did it on Breaking Bad for so long with those particular actors

Who were so damn good especially working off each other that they were able to convey so much emotion and subtext from body language and facial expressions...

not just words.

You could be right...if I am being unbiased, I see it.

Right but most of it is just Saul though. That's why it feels dead. With BB there were always multiple characters with moving parts from beginning to end. So yes you can have Walt and his family and then Jessee and his story together. Saul's Jessee is Mike and last episode was the 1st time we got into Mike's side. They could've been building those 2 side by side this entire time. Just cut out some dead air driving and some parking lot shenanigans and you've got enough to have Mike's episode throughout all the first and last episode could've been the closer coupled with His brother's condition climax of the previous episode.

He's the glue, I get that and I think it'll work. It just needs to be paced better.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

sidebar; Didnt like how they made the daughter in law so dense at the end

Mike I had to draw her a damn picture.

she was holding it in all this time about the phone call the other 2 died and Mike left and she NEVER even CONSIDERED he might have been involved?

REALLY?

He is CONFESSING on her couch and she is STILL in disbelief?

Crazy but real. Some people will take every opportunity to not believe something no matter what. Especially dealing with traumatic events.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Exactly!!!!!!

And not only that but how is this a complete story without knowing if those cops wives were compliant before Mike killed them?

 

[playahaitian]

Right but most of it is just Saul though. That's why it feels dead. With BB there were always multiple characters with moving parts from beginning to end. So yes you can have Walt and his family and then Jessee and his story together. Saul's Jessee is Mike and last episode was the 1st time we got into Mike's side. They could've been building those 2 side by side this entire time. Just cut out some dead air driving and some parking lot shenanigans and you've got enough to have Mike's episode throughout all the first and last episode could've been the closer coupled with His brother's condition climax of the previous episode.

He's the glue, I get that and I think it'll work. It just needs to be paced better.

but see I liked that...

messed with people's expectations totally and I believe fans REALLY wanted to know how maybe the most brilliant lawyer in the country ended up in New Mexico with bad bus stop ads.

And it built anticipation for Mike...

but yeah when you explained it the pacing was off a more diverse (or STRONGER) cast would have worked better.

Although I like Tuco's right hand.