Official - Better Call Saul - Discussion Thread

Man if yall cats cant see the potential in this series....:smh:

muthafuckin' Mike is working in a cotdamn ticket booth......man yall crazy....

this show is going to have wings
 
Breaking Bad is my 2nd favorite drama ever (only behind The Wire), but I wasn't "into" Breaking Bad until about the 3rd or 4th episode. I'll say this, I'm feeling this pilot more than Breaking Bad's pilot. There is an amount of intrigue, from the beginning, that's engaging me that Breaking Bad didn't have. This was a pretty good pilot, so I will be tuning in.
 
This. I see cats in here talking about what people don't "understand" or need to know about the purpose of pilots and plot building, as if a person cannot fully comprehend that and the pilot still be boring.

There's no rule that to build and story, the initial episode must be slow (boring). Boardwalk Empire paced itself early on, but they were well-written characters that drew me in from jump street. This pilot served its purpose, but it was just boring. That's all. I'm sure they'll ramp it up in the second episode and the series will be just fine. This particular episode just felt like it was trying to jog under water.

i agree with you but saul wasnt a hot shot lawyer who was a bastard, he was struggling down on his luck when he decided fuck it, and that is no way exciting to watch. falling down the rabbit hole is exciting, seeing how deep it goes is intriguing, just stumbling over the the rabbit hole is almost non eventful as fuck until you decide to peer into it. which most dont, hell his name isnt even Saul.
 
i agree with you but saul wasnt a hot shot lawyer who was a bastard, he was struggling down on his luck when he decided fuck it, and that is no way exciting to watch. falling down the rabbit hole is exciting, seeing how deep it goes is intriguing, just stumbling over the the rabbit hole is almost non eventful as fuck until you decide to peer into it. which most dont, hell his name isnt even Saul.

A show about a middle aged high school chemistry teacher with cancer isn't interesting either. The success of this show and it's progenitor is exploring how people once on the straight and narrow, slip and fall AND... how they adapt to it. So you gotta start from some boring clean cut place or otherwise it's just a gangsta show.

They already showing at the end of episode one how he's starting to Break Bad.
 
the episode seemed like it was film by a kid who just graduated from film school and wanted to show off all the cool camera angles, distant and zoom in shots he could do in one episode.
 
Soooooooooo ... nobody noticed Gus get in the elevator and head nod Saul when he was in walking through HH&M?


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Show was full of easter eggs, I'm hooked.


Shout out to Tony Montana's moms too they got all they Scarface characters in these jawns.
 
This. I see cats in here talking about what people don't "understand" or need to know about the purpose of pilots and plot building, as if a person cannot fully comprehend that and the pilot still be boring.

Some can fully comprehend it and some can't. I enjoyed the episode and didn't think it was boring.

There's no rule that to build and story, the initial episode must be slow (boring).

What's considered boring is subjective. Is the first ten minutes of the "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly" boring or is Sergio Leone taking his time to visually develop a story? Everything doesn't have to be gun blazing out of the gate action. I hate that shit. Sure, there's no rule to building a story but usually the best ones are done this way.

Boardwalk Empire paced itself early on, but they were well-written characters that drew me in from jump street.

I guess Saul isn't a well-written character for you. To me Bob Odenkirk does and fantastic job playing Saul Goodman and brings life into the character. It's his acting and daily obstacles that drive the narrative. To me that's interesting.
 
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seeing it once or twice is cool but they over did it in every scene

I actually enjoyed the camera angles and the zooms. I've never had a problem with anything like that whether it be film or TV. Let the director do what he or she wants to do; at the end of the day it's their vision.
 
Soooooooooo ... nobody noticed Gus get in the elevator and head nod Saul when he was in walking through HH&M?

I played that scene over and over and I don't believe that was Gus just someone who looked like Gus. Plus I believe Giancarlo Esposito wasn't signed to be in season 1. He may appear in later seasons though.

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Shout out to Tony Montana's moms too they got all they Scarface characters in these jawns.

Wow, that was Tony Montana's mother. I thought she would be dead by now. Good catch.

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the episode seemed like it was film by a kid who just graduated from film school and wanted to show off all the cool camera angles, distant and zoom in shots he could do in one episode.

i wholeheartedly disagree...they had to establish this WASN"T Breaking Bad
while its the same universe this is a whole different experience.
and it seems they were right because many can't just watch it on its own merits.
This is about Saul his view and perspective so we are going into his mind and seeing the world from his POV.
Loved that black and white intro ...
Again I think we have to at LEAST watch the first 2 hours but so far?
They got me.
 
I played that scene over and over and I don't believe that was Gus just someone who looked like Gus. Plus I believe Giancarlo Esposito wasn't signed to be in season 1. He may appear in later seasons though.



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Wow, that was Tony Montana's mother. I thought she would be dead by now. Good catch.



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There are some screen shots/stills on twitter. The common theme is everybody that caught it seems to think that was Gus. On my first watch before I saw any outside media I caught it and thought that was a Gus cameo without any doubt. Still up for debate though.
 
The Walking Dead helped make Better Call Saul the biggest premiere in cable history

AMC today proudly announced that Better Call Saul got off to a hugely successful start last night. The Bob Odenkirk-led Breaking Bad spinoff attracted 4.4 million viewers in the key 18-49 demographic, making it cable's biggest premiere ever in that demo — the only audience advertisers really care about. The total audience was 6.9 million people, which undoubtedly has Vince Gilligan and crew feeling pretty good today. But in large part, Better Call Saul has zombies to thank for its stellar debut.

The Walking Dead's midseason return drew a massive audience of 15.6 million viewers at 9PM, giving Saul a tremendously strong lead-in. AMC says Walking Dead's showing makes this episode "the biggest regularly-scheduled program of 2015" so far, which doesn't include the Super Bowl, award shows, and other special events. It's a huge number, but wasn't enough to match the show's previous ratings records. Even so, many of those people — still taking in the shocking and emotional episode — likely kept watching as AMC moved into the black-and-white introduction to Better Call Saul.

We'll get a much better idea of how large Better Call Saul's own audience is when episode two airs tonight at 10PM ET. The series premiere earned rave reviews across the board, so the buzz is certainly there to carry the show forward through another big night. And if you witnessed the premiere's cliffhanger, we doubt you'll be missing tonight's follow-up.
 
We Crack Open 4 'Breaking Bad' Easter Eggs in the 'Better Call Saul' Premiere

Warning: This post contains storyline and character spoilers for tonight's premiere episode of Better Call Saul.​

Sure, we suppose you could have watched tonight's Better Call Saul premiere without having seen Breaking Bad first… but oh, you would have missed so much.

Here are the four big shout-outs to Breaking Bad we noticed in Saul's first episode — along with a little background info on each, in case your memories of Walt and Jesse are a little hazy.

1. Saul's working at that Cinnabon in Omaha, just like he said.

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he last time we saw Saul Goodman on Breaking Bad — in the penultimate episode, "Granite State" — he set Walter White up with a fixer who can erase your identity and give you a brand-new one. And Saul was signing up, too: "If I'm lucky, a month from now, best-case scenario, I'm managing a Cinnabon in Omaha."

So the opening moments of Better Call Saul must've inspired a knowing chuckle from Breaking Bad fans: In an extended black-and-white sequence set to The Ink Spots' "Address Unknown," we see that Saul (sorry, "Gene") has indeed found a new life kneading dough and sweeping up floors at a Cinnabon in Omaha, Nebraska. He's hiding behind dorky dad glasses and a handlebar mustache, but we can tell it's him.

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He's still looking over his shoulder, though: He spots a tough guy staring at him a little too long, and you can see the beads of sweat starting to form on "Gene's" forehead… until the guy walks off harmlessly to meet some friends. Still, it's clear Saul hasn't exactly gotten a fresh start.

Once his shift is over, he heads home to a drab townhouse, pours himself a cocktail (Scotch, Drambuie, and a squirt of lemon juice), and flips aimlessly around the TV dial. But something inspires him to dig out a shoebox of mementos and get out an old VHS tape, which he pops into the VCR. It's a compilation of his TV ads as Saul Goodman, and you can see the old fire start to flicker in his worn-out eyes as we zip back to 2002…

2. Saul, meet Mike Ehrmantraut.

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We knew Jonathan Banks would be reprising his BB role as laconic hitman Mike Ehrmantraut (aka the grandpa we all wish we had) on Saul, but we didn't know exactly how he and Saul actually first met… until Sunday night, that is.

After Saul, then known as Jimmy McGill, loses a court case as a public defender (to be fair, that video of his clients defiling a corpse was pretty damning), he drives up to the parking lot exit and hands over his validated ticket. And who takes it? Mike, who's working as a parking lot attendant at the Albuquerque courthouse.


Actually, he doesn't take it: The surly-as-ever Mike informs Jimmy he doesn't have enough stickers to get out for free, and forces him to go back inside to get more. That's the only time we see Mike in the first hour, but we know from this Saul advance sneak peek that Mike and Jimmy's sticker disagreements will turn physical, at some point:



Of course, Mike goes on to become Saul's "cleaner" and his connection to local drug kingpin Gus Fring. And from Breaking Bad, we know Mike was once a Philadelphia cop. But how did he go from police officer to parking lot attendant? Saul star Bob Odenkirk told us that Mike's backstory is the subject of an entire episode coming up, and that "it's a f--king mind-blower." Something to look forward to, Mike fans.

3. Yes, you've spent time in this diner before.

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Did the diner where Jimmy tries to talk that nice couple Craig and Betsy into becoming his clients look familiar? It should have: Loyola's Family Restaurant (an Albuquerque staple since 1984 — 4 stars on Yelp!) was the setting for at least two scenes on Breaking Bad.

In fact, it's apparently a favorite of Mike Ehrmantraut's: He took Jesse there for a late-night meal in Season 4's "Cornered," back when Jesse was helping Mike make runs for Gus:

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And then in Season 5's "Madrigal" (a great Mike episode, by the way), he met jittery executive Lydia there and did his best to calm her nerves after Gus's death, assuring her that "my guys are solid… I vetted them with great care":

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Saul creators Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould clearly love Loyola's, so don't be surprised to see Mike back in one of those booths in a future episode — maybe brokering a peace agreement with Jimmy? (After the arm-twisting, of course.)

4. Tuco!

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Yes, we gasped when we saw this face pop up at the end of Sunday's premiere. (You did, too, right?) With all the speculation about Walt and Jesse and Gus Fring possibly making an appearance on Saul, we totally forgot about our favorite meth-snorting, bull-in-a-china-shop drug dealer: Tuco Salamanca.

In Saul, Jimmy finds himself getting a pistol shoved in his face by Tuco after trying to pull a con job on a kindly old Mexican grandma with the help of a pair of burnt-out skaters. And Jimmy better (ahem) tread lightly here, because we know Tuco is the textbook definition of "loose cannon." In Breaking Bad's Season 1 finale, Tuco became Walt and Jesse's meth distributor — and beat his own right-hand man to death for talking trash to Walt. (RIP, No-Doze.)

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Tuco eventually met his maker in Season 2 after a fierce gunfight with Hank, but it's great to see him alive and angry again. And don't forget Tuco's uncle: the mute, bell-ringing invalid Hector "Tio" Salamanca. Tio, of course, went on to play an integral part of Walt's takedown of Gus in BB Season 4. (That ringing bell still haunts our dreams.)

Will we see more of Tuco and Tio as Better Call Saul rolls on? Fingers crossed. But either way, we're sure there will be plenty more Breaking Bad nods for fans to pick out and obsess over in the weeks to come.

Better Call Saul airs Mondays at 10 p.m. on AMC.

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Tuco was originally supposed to be the main antagonist of Season 2, but due to Raymond Cruz having difficulties portraying the character, he was killed off earlier than intended.

Q: How did you find out Tuco was going to die?

A: I asked them to kill me. Honestly, I wasn’t looking forward to coming back and doing the part. [Laughs]. It’s really difficult to pull off. They were like, “We want you to come back and do eight more episodes.” And I said, “No. I’ll do one more and that’s it. You guys have to kill me.” They’re like, “We never heard of an actor that wanted to die.” And I’m like, “You don’t understand. This part’s really hard.”

Q: How did you feel about the way he went down?


A: I love how they did it. Some people are hard to kill. I think it would be really hard to kill this character if you just didn’t do it violently and swiftly. The shootout was pretty big and it was a good direct hit. He was willing to face it and he knew it was coming.

http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/2009/03/raymond-cruz-interview/

 
the episode seemed like it was film by a kid who just graduated from film school and wanted to show off all the cool camera angles, distant and zoom in shots he could do in one episode.

yea, i hated it in Breaking Bad, especially these 2 scenes.

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Soooooooooo ... nobody noticed Gus get in the elevator and head nod Saul when he was in walking through HH&M?


:cool:

Show was full of easter eggs, I'm hooked.


Shout out to Tony Montana's moms too they got all they Scarface characters in these jawns.

Gus was in the elevator?
 
I have a feeling this show is gonna have a hard time b/c most ppl are gonna basically want it to be Breaking Bad Part II and are gonna be disappointed when it's not.

Yeah, I agree. It's already happening.

Tuco was originally supposed to be the main antagonist of Season 2, but due to Raymond Cruz having difficulties portraying the character, he was killed off earlier than intended.

I didn't know this. The guy plays the same type of character in every I've seen him in, so I wonder what the difficulty was.
 
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