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source: Wall Street Journal

As we anxiously await the debut of the Obama administration, we hear more and more about the incoming president's "post-partisan" instincts. He has filled his cabinet with relics of the centrist Clinton years. He has engaged the evangelical pastor Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration. And according to Politico, he wants 80 Senate votes for his stimulus plan -- a goal that would mean winning a majority among Republicans as well as Democrats.

Maybe these will turn out to be wise moves. Maybe they won't.

Audacity they ain't, though. There is no branch of American political expression more trite, more smug, more hollow than centrism.

After all, as Mark Leibovich pointed out in Sunday's New York Times, transcending faction has been the filler-talk of inaugural addresses going back at least to Zachary Taylor's in 1849. When you hear it today -- bemoaning as it always does "the extremes of both parties" or "the divisive politics of the past" -- it is virtually a foolproof indicator that you are in the presence of a well-funded, much-televised Beltway hack.

Centrism is something of a cult here in Washington, D.C., and a more specious superstition you never saw. Its adherents pretend to worship at the altar of the great American middle, but in fact they stick closely to a very particular view of events regardless of what the public says it wants.

And through it all, centrism bills itself as the most transgressive sort of exercise imaginable. Its partisans are "New Democrats," "Radical Centrists," clear-eyed believers in a "Third Way." The red-hot tepids, we might call them -- the jellybeans of steel.

The reason centrism finds an enthusiastic audience in Washington, I think, is because it appeals naturally to the Beltway journalistic mindset, with its professional prohibition against coming down solidly on one side or the other of any question. Splitting the difference is a way of life in this cynical town. To hear politicians insist that it is also the way of the statesman, I suspect, gives journalists a secret thrill.

Yet what the Beltway centrist characteristically longs for is not so much to transcend politics but to close off debate on the grounds that he -- and the vast silent middle for which he stands -- knows beyond question what is to be done.

Here, for example, is centrist Washington Post columnist Sebastian Mallaby, writing last October on the debate then raging over the role of deregulation in precipitating the financial crisis: "So blaming deregulation for the financial mess is misguided. But it is dangerous, too, because one of the big challenges for the next president will be to defend markets against the inevitable backlash that follows this crisis."

Got that? Criticizing deregulation is not merely wrong but "dangerous," virtually impermissible, since it problematizes the politics that everyone knows president 44 will ultimately embrace.

As this should remind us, the real-world function of Beltway centrism has not been to wage high-minded war against "both extremes" but to fight specifically against the economic and foreign policies of liberalism. Centrism's institutional triumphs have been won mainly if not entirely within the Democratic Party. Its greatest exponent, President Bill Clinton, persistently used his own movement as a foil in his great game of triangulation.

And centrism's achievements? Well, there's Nafta, which proved Democrats could stand up to labor. There's the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. There's the Iraq war resolution, approved by numerous Democrats in brave defiance of their party's left. Triumphs all.

Histories of conservatism's rise, on the other hand, often emphasize that movement's adherence to principle regardless of changing public attitudes. Conservatives pressed laissez-faire through good times and bad, soldiering on even in years when suggesting that America was a "center-right nation" would have made one an instant laughingstock.

And what happens when a strong-minded movement encounters a politician who acts as though the truth always lies halfway between his own followers and the other side? The dolorous annals of Clinton suggest an answer, in particular the chapters on Government Shutdown and Impeachment.

That's why it is so obviously preferable to be part of the movement that doesn't compromise easily than to depend on the one that has developed a cult of the almighty center. Even a conservative as ham-handed as former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay seems to understand this.

As he recounted in his 2007 memoirs, Republicans under his leadership learned "to start every policy initiative from as far to the political right as we could." The effect was to "move the center farther to the right," drawing the triangulating Clinton along with it.

President-elect Obama can learn something from Mr. DeLay's confession: Centrism is a chump's game. Democrats have massive majorities these days not because they waffle hither and yon but because their historic principles have been vindicated by events. This is their moment. Let the other side do the triangulating.
 
source: The New York Times

Paul Krugman
February 7, 2009, 5:36 pm

What the centrists have wrought

I’m still working on the numbers, but I’ve gotten a fair number of requests for comment on the Senate version of the stimulus.

The short answer: to appease the centrists, a plan that was already too small and too focused on ineffective tax cuts has been made significantly smaller, and even more focused on tax cuts.

According to the CBO’s estimates, we’re facing an output shortfall of almost 14% of GDP over the next two years, or around $2 trillion. Others, such as Goldman Sachs, are even more pessimistic. So the original $800 billion plan was too small, especially because a substantial share consisted of tax cuts that probably would have added little to demand. The plan should have been at least 50% larger.

Now the centrists have shaved off $86 billion in spending — much of it among the most effective and most needed parts of the plan. In particular, aid to state governments, which are in desperate straits, is both fast — because it prevents spending cuts rather than having to start up new projects — and effective, because it would in fact be spent; plus state and local governments are cutting back on essentials, so the social value of this spending would be high. But in the name of mighty centrism, $40 billion of that aid has been cut out.

My first cut says that the changes to the Senate bill will ensure that we have at least 600,000 fewer Americans employed over the next two years.

The real question now is whether Obama will be able to come back for more once it’s clear that the plan is way inadequate. My guess is no. This is really, really bad.
 
He's playing it correctly. Clinton had similar numbers in the Senate and House when he was first elected.... fucked around and go to aggressive with his policy and it backfired and we all know what happened in the mid-terms elections...massive loses for the dems.. Obama's team seems to always be ahead of the game strategically..and the Repubs are already looking like obstructionists....he plays the game right and the GOP will take decades to recover after Mid terms if they lose the seats in teh senate and house that they are projected too lose...
 
He's playing it correctly. Clinton had similar numbers in the Senate and House when he was first elected.... fucked around and go to aggressive with his policy and it backfired and we all know what happened in the mid-terms elections...massive loses for the dems.. Obama's team seems to always be ahead of the game strategically..and the Repubs are already looking like obstructionists....he plays the game right and the GOP will take decades to recover after Mid terms if they lose the seats in teh senate and house that they are projected too lose...

Clinton didn't get one republican vote for his tax bill. It lead to the longest economic growth period in US history, a political talking point the GOP still has no answer for. The democrats lost on social issues. The so called contract for America, which the GOP failed on every point. The economy is in a lot worse shape today. I hope Obama's national trip to build support for his jobs bill gets the point across.
 
Clinton didn't get one republican vote for his tax bill. It lead to the longest economic growth period in US history, a political talking point the GOP still has no answer for. The democrats lost on social issues. The so called contract for America, which the GOP failed on every point. The economy is in a lot worse shape today. I hope Obama's national trip to build support for his jobs bill gets the point across.

Maybe you didn't get my point. Clinton overplayed his hand politically and it lead to one of the biggest loses by democrats in the house and senate in it's history. The dems got hammered. The one thing that Obama doesn't need to do(even though he can claim a mandate) is overplay his hand politically.

And Clinton's policy had very little to do with that economic growth.. he was president during the economic boom of the internet, real estate, etc.... that was going to occur regardless of who was in office and what policy they promoted...and this is not to take anything away from Clinton...but he was a beneficiary of a moment in history..a paradigm shift.

Obama has to play his hand very well early off.. the GOP is out of touch...BUT, he has to let them play themselves...which I think he is doing...but we'll see.. and with or without his plan...09' is gonna be a rough year regardless..... the "stimulus" plan can only do so much when the individuals are straddled with debt at historic levels, etc...
 
Maybe you didn't get my point. Clinton overplayed his hand politically and it lead to one of the biggest loses by democrats in the house and senate in it's history. The dems got hammered. The one thing that Obama doesn't need to do(even though he can claim a mandate) is overplay his hand politically.

<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">And Clinton's policy had very little to do with that economic growth.. he was president during the economic boom of the internet, real estate, etc.... that was going to occur regardless of who was in office and what policy they promoted</SPAN>...and this is not to take anything away from Clinton...but he was a beneficiary of a moment in history..a paradigm shift.

Obama has to play his hand very well early off.. the GOP is out of touch...BUT, he has to let them play themselves...which I think he is doing...but we'll see.. and with or without his plan...09' is gonna be a rough year regardless..... the "stimulus" plan can only do so much when the individuals are straddled with debt at historic levels, etc...

If it had little to do with Clinton, why didn't Bush reproduce similar results? The reason why Gore lost was because he ran away from the Clinton economic successes and distanced himself from Clinton in terms of the scandals. The republicans are isolated right now. The republican moderates voted for Obama. The few moderates left in the GOP, Susan Collins, Olympia Snow and Arlen Spector are supporting the stimulus bill because they know that the northeast is about to completely vet itself from republican Senators. The only republicans left in the senate and congress excluding the three I mentioned are the extreme right wing of the party and the GOP is expected to become irrelevant after the 2010 election cycle. Democrats need to realize that the media is happy with the status quo. Obama won by proclaiming his liberal beliefs. They need to grow a pair!
 
If it had little to do with Clinton, why didn't Bush reproduce similar results? The reason why Gore lost was because he ran away from the Clinton economic successes and distanced himself from Clinton in terms of the scandals. The republicans are isolated right now. The republican moderates voted for Obama. The few moderates left in the GOP, Susan Collins, Olympia Snow and Arlen Spector are supporting the stimulus bill because they know that the northeast is about to completely vet itself from republican Senators. The only republicans left in the senate and congress excluding the three I mentioned are the extreme right wing of the party and the GOP is expected to become irrelevant after the 2010 election cycle. Democrats need to realize that the media is happy with the status quo. Obama won by proclaiming his liberal beliefs. They need to grow a pair!

Did you see the key phrase: "paradigm shift". A got-damn clown could have been president during that time and there would have been an economic boom regardless and that boom..which created a bubble..burst in 2000. Bush didn't kill the economy. What Bush did was perpetuate a bubble with more deficit spending, waging 2 wars, etc on an bull economy that had already ran it's course. Bush was the equivalent of running a ship with a large hole in it until an iceberg. The ship was going to sink regardless, Bush was just the perfect campaign to ensure that it would sink quickly and tragically. The horrible decisions by Bush have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Clinton was fortunate to be president during the time of a paradigm shift in information technology that created 100s of Billions in wealth, endless jobs, etc... along with the continued boom in real estate, etc... that shift occurred with absolutely no assistance from washington..it had nothing to do with anyone's "policy". Your reference to Bush is fallacious...pretty much has nothing to do with Clinton...and Bush's absolutely horrible decision that helped crater an economy doesn't presuppose that Clinton did anything specifically to bolster an economy...just right place at the right time...nothing more, nothing less... presidents often get more criticism and praise than what they deserve for events that are well beyond their control

Obama didn't win by proclaiming his "liberal beliefs". He did that to win the democratic primaries. He ran in the GE at a centrist.

But your response is going all over the place. The reality of the matter is that despite Obama winning with a large enough margin to proclaim a "mandate", he's smart enough to know that the last dem that tried to do to much and isolate the GOP (CLINTON), lost all of his political capital early and cost his parties countless seats in the senate and house. Obama is a more talented politician than Clinton (that's saying a lot) and he won't repeat Clinton's mistakes. That is why he's projected an image of "playing nice" with the GOP.. but the reality of the matter is that behind closed doors, he's going to get what he wants..

You do realize that regardless of what Obama does, his first term is likely going to end up in the red?... in terms of job creation, economic growth, etc. He's gonna be millions of jobs in the hole in his first year. And this will have nothing to do with his policy..in his case..it's the opposite of Clinton..wrong place at the wrong time.....and if he does his job correctly for his first and hopefully second term, the next president will be in the "right place at the right time".
 
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I think he is pushing the GOP into the coffin. The stimulus wont be enough and he can blame the repubs.

Just noticed the stimulus has some fantastic school support- biggest boost in pell grants ever and 79 billion for k-12
 
I think he is pushing the GOP into the coffin. The stimulus wont be enough and he can blame the repubs.

c/s..i think he is playing this correctly and if he does..the GOP will need decades to repair from a mid-term election slaughter
 
I think he is pushing the GOP into the coffin. The stimulus wont be enough and he can blame the repubs.

Just noticed the stimulus has some fantastic school support- biggest boost in pell grants ever and 79 billion for k-12

...hold up!

Tell me how Obama is pushing the GOP in a coffin?

Dude, if the stimulus do not work, the GOP will have all the ammo in the world. GOP could easily say "hey Obama, and the democrats could of let the market work itself out" if this bullshit don't work. Dude, you're living in LA LA land!!

BTW, how is giving pell grants stimulating the economy?
 
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/9/93530/64491/480/695142

Obama springs his trap on the GOP
by JCWilmore
Mon Feb 09, 2009 at 06:38:35 AM PST

Many of the liberals and progressives who helped Obama get elected have been frustrated in the first three weeks of his administration. They saw Obama's opening move of soliciting bi-partisan support for the stimulus package as one of weakness. Visits to the Capitol, cocktail parties, and a Superbowl watching party didn't look like power moves, especially from a new president with an enormous "mandate" for change. The mainstream media has played its role of useful idiot to the Right Wing to perfection, loudly intoning that President Obama's "honeymoon" seemed to be over already.

I have read the U.S. Constitution many times and I have never seen the words "mandate" or "honeymoon" in that document. Politics is the art of the possible, and there are really only two things that practical politicians need to keep track of: that which you can do, and that which you cannot do. The metric for measuring these things and deciding which is which is the art of vote counting, specifically counting the votes you have in Congress before they are actually cast.

* JCWilmore's diary :: ::
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From the very beginning of his administration, less than three weeks ago, Obama has known that he has a commanding majority in the House of Representatives. In the House all that is required to prevail is a simple majority, so Obama has always known that he would be able to pass some version of a stimulus through the House. Barack Obama made a great display of reaching across the aisle to persuade House Republicans to climb aboard and support a bill that Obama already knew he could pass without a single Republican vote. Why would Barack Obama do such a thing?

The mainstream media bit and bit hard. If Barack Obama was pursuing those Republican votes, then it must be that he needed those votes somehow--though certainly not to pass the stimulus, he just needed them somehow, and the Republican Party was winning some kind of major victory by withholding from Obama votes that he seemed to want for some reason.

Or perhaps something very different happened. Perhaps Barack Obama set a trap for the Republicans, a trap they fell for with startling gullibility.

My evidence for this? Remember, I don't believe in honeymoons or mandates: either you can do something or you can't--and it is already well-established that Barack Obama had the votes in the House of Representatives to pass a version of the stimulus bill without a single Republican vote. So why didn't Obama simply have Nancy Pelosi quickly pass the stimulus and move on to persuding the Senate? Why did Barack Obama visit Capitol Hill and bring dozens of cameras and put the Republican leadership in the spotlight? Why invite to cocktails and put the Republican leadership in the spotlight? Why throw a Superbowl party and put Republican leadership in the spotlight? Why has Barack Obama worked so diligently to put the Republican leadership in the spotlight and on the record?

Was it because, as the mainstream media pundits would have it, that Barack Obama needed the Republicans? Or is it possible that Obama saw an opportunity, saw just how off-balance Republicans were after their crushing defeat in November 2008? Did Obama see that the Republican Party has shrunk to its most hard core activist roots? That the Republican Party has lost the ability to maneuver and make deals? Did Barack Obama know that the Republican Party was in a position where it had no choice but to pander to the very worst of its out of touch base? Did Barack Obama simply want to catch the Republican Party and its leadership on camera while it behaved badly and ignored the American peoples' desire for some kind of economic relief?

Barack Obama brought the cameras and the Republican Party and its leadership performed precisely as expected. The American people were appalled. The Republican Party ran our country into a ditch and has no plan for getting us out. The Republicans are obstructionists, intent on blocking Democrats from implementing any solution because they know that if Democrats succeed where Republicans have failed so miserably then Democrats will control the government for the foreseeable future. Barack Obama is trying to save our nation and Rush Limbaugh wants Barack Obama to fail.

The American public understands this. A Gallup poll released today shows Obama with 67% support, while the Republicans in Congress have only 31% approval and a staggering 58% disapproval. Republicans have not done themselves any favors by playing the obstructionist to Obama's attempt to save the nation from another Great Depression.

But this was only the setting of the trap. Up to now Obama has only been maneuvering for position, showing that he is open to bi-partisan discussion, open to compromise, focused on leading and working on solutions. Obama has largely held his fire against the Republicans blocking his plan simply because it is a Democratic plan put forward by the Democratically elected Democratic majority. Today Obama springs the trap. Today Obama goes on the road, goes over the Republicans' heads to speak directly to the American people in those areas of the country most affected by the economic downturn. Obama is getting out of Washington DC and he's taking a lot of those television cameras with him.

If Obama succeeds this week he will cement into the minds of Americans the following dichotomy: Democrats work to make things better for ordinary Americans, while Republicans try to block any help from reaching ordinary Americans. If Obama's plan works, then the Republican's approval rating will further crater, and 2010 is not so far away as you might think. Obama may yet deal the Republicans a devastating third defeat in a row, taking control of the U.S. Senate with a majority of 60. An American public that understands how obstructionist the Republican Party has become will probably hand Obama that victory.
 
Did you see the key phrase: "paradigm shift". A got-damn clown could have been president during that time and there would have been an economic boom regardless and that boom..which created a bubble..burst in 2000. Bush didn't kill the economy. What Bush did was perpetuate a bubble with more deficit spending, waging 2 wars, etc on an bull economy that had already ran it's course. Bush was the equivalent of running a ship with a large hole in it until an iceberg. The ship was going to sink regardless, Bush was just the perfect campaign to ensure that it would sink quickly and tragically. The horrible decisions by Bush have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Clinton was fortunate to be president during the time of a paradigm shift in information technology that created 100s of Billions in wealth, endless jobs, etc... along with the continued boom in real estate, etc... that shift occurred with absolutely no assistance from washington..it had nothing to do with anyone's "policy". Your reference to Bush is fallacious...pretty much has nothing to do with Clinton...and Bush's absolutely horrible decision that helped crater an economy doesn't presuppose that Clinton did anything specifically to bolster an economy...just right place at the right time...nothing more, nothing less... presidents often get more criticism and praise than what they deserve for events that are well beyond their control

Obama didn't win by proclaiming his "liberal beliefs". He did that to win the democratic primaries. He ran in the GE at a centrist.

But your response is going all over the place. The reality of the matter is that despite Obama winning with a large enough margin to proclaim a "mandate", he's smart enough to know that the last dem that tried to do to much and isolate the GOP (CLINTON), lost all of his political capital early and cost his parties countless seats in the senate and house. Obama is a more talented politician than Clinton (that's saying a lot) and he won't repeat Clinton's mistakes. That is why he's projected an image of "playing nice" with the GOP.. but the reality of the matter is that behind closed doors, he's going to get what he wants..

You do realize that regardless of what Obama does, his first term is likely going to end up in the red?... in terms of job creation, economic growth, etc. He's gonna be millions of jobs in the hole in his first year. And this will have nothing to do with his policy..in his case..it's the opposite of Clinton..wrong place at the wrong time.....and if he does his job correctly for his first and hopefully second term, the next president will be in the "right place at the right time".

Your reply is all over the place. But respectfully if you think that Clinton's specific policies didn't have a direction in the success of the 1990 economy you are hell bent on denying it. We could have continued the same supply side polices the previous Reagan/Bush 8 years had. In which case we would have had the GW crash 8 years earlier.

Obama campaigned for the Employee Free Choice Act, liberal. Obama campaigned against offshore drilling, liberal. Obama campaigned for the abortiom rights, liberal. Obama campaigned against the Iraq war, liberal. Even McSame and Failin pushed liberal labor on him constantly. The republicans, conservatives and media have tried to make liberal a bad thing. The people aren’t buying it anymore.
 
Your reply is all over the place. But respectfully if you think that Clinton's specific policies didn't have a direction in the success of the 1990 economy you are hell bent on denying it. We could have continued the same supply side polices the previous Reagan/Bush 8 years had. In which case we would have had the GW crash 8 years earlier.

Obama campaigned for the Employee Free Choice Act, liberal. Obama campaigned against offshore drilling, liberal. Obama campaigned for the abortiom rights, liberal. Obama campaigned against the Iraq war, liberal. Even McSame and Failin pushed liberal labor on him constantly. The republicans, conservatives and media have tried to make liberal a bad thing. The people aren’t buying it anymore.

My reply was "all over the place" in response to your initial reply that took things all over the place. I even mentioned that in my response to you :rolleyes:

Come on man..campaigning against the Iraq war was not a "liberal" position....campaigning against offshore drilling is not a "liberal" position ...and ironically, Liberals were up in arms during the GE because of Obama's very obvious move to the center...it was the biggest story of the GE.. are you kidding me? The "liberal" and then ridiculous "marxist" media proposition was nothing more than media fodder.... Obama campaigned as a centrist to win over moderates and independents and he's going to govern as a centrist WITH progressive tendencies..
 
My reply was "all over the place" in response to your initial reply that took things all over the place. I even mentioned that in my response to you :rolleyes:

Come on man..campaigning against the Iraq war was not a "liberal" position....campaigning against offshore drilling is not a "liberal" position ...and ironically, Liberals were up in arms during the GE because of Obama's very obvious move to the center...it was the biggest story of the GE.. are you kidding me? The "liberal" and then ridiculous "marxist" media proposition was nothing more than media fodder.... Obama campaigned as a centrist to win over moderates and independents and he's going to govern as a centrist WITH progressive tendencies..

"marxist" media proposition
:lol: Post your examples?????

Obama campaigned as a centrist to win over moderates and independents and he's going to govern as a centrist WITH progressive tendencies

What the fuck does that mean? I know kinda like compassionate conservative right?
 
:lol: Post your examples?????

You probably didn't understand what I was saying because the question doesn't make sense if you did. Why would I need to post examples of all the bullshit stories about Obama being a marxist?

Just as Obama was not as liberal as the media portrayed either. He was given the title of "most liberal senator" by the same organization that gave the title to Kerry the year he ran...not a coincidence...

Obama is going to govern as a centrist just like Clinton did.
 
What the fuck does that mean? I know kinda like compassionate conservative right?

It means exactly that. Obama is going to govern as a centrist. However, he is still going to promote "some" progressive policy that will satisfy the left in some cases.
 
So according to the media, Obama had the most liberal voting record in the senate, but he is not going to be who he is. Conservatism is dead. Deal with it!

You know what your problem is. For some reason, because I disagreed with you on some points, you think I'm a conservative. Don't be so myopic. You're being very narrow-minded. Do you think a damn conservative would have an Obama avatar? The reality of the matter is that I've long learned that being "practical" is more important than fitting within a label. And I'm sure I've made more threads attacking conservative policy than anyone on this board. So you need to shake that off.

I just told you the same media that painted Kerry the most liberal senator just before he ran did the same thing to Obama because they thought it would be enough to sink his campaign. I know YOU aren't proposing that "because the media says it", that it's true :rolleyes::rolleyes: I've already posted these ranking a year ago on this very board..and showed how they were "hogwash"..you need to understand who is about the publication in order to understand why they compile the rankings a certain way....Like I said..it's no coincidence that Kerry became the # 1 liberal senator just before he ran and Obama miraculously got the ranking as well..

You can go to the most liberal blogs like openleft, talkleft,etc and clearly see that Obama doesn't fit their view as a "liberal"..and they've been pointed it out every since the dem primaries ended..
 
You know what your problem is. For some reason, because I disagreed with you on some points, you think I'm a conservative. Don't be so myopic. You're being very narrow-minded. Do you think a damn conservative would have an Obama avatar? The reality of the matter is that I've long learned that being "practical" is more important than fitting within a label. And I'm sure I've made more threads attacking conservative policy than anyone on this board. So you need to shake that off.

I just told you the same media that painted Kerry the most liberal senator just before he ran did the same thing to Obama because they thought it would be enough to sink his campaign. I know YOU aren't proposing that "because the media says it", that it's true :rolleyes::rolleyes: I've already posted these ranking a year ago on this very board..and showed how they were "hogwash"..you need to understand who is about the publication in order to understand why they compile the rankings a certain way....Like I said..it's no coincidence that Kerry became the # 1 liberal senator just before he ran and Obama miraculously got the ranking as well..

You can go to the most liberal blogs like openleft, talkleft,etc and clearly see that Obama doesn't fit their view as a "liberal"..and they've been pointed it out every since the dem primaries ended..

You know what your problem is. For some reason, because I disagreed with you on some points, you think I'm a conservative.

I'm just responding to what you post. If you don't believe it, don't post it. Labels don't scare me.
 
I'm just responding to what you post. If you don't believe it, don't post it. Labels don't scare me.

No. Your problem is that if someone disagrees with one of your points, you're quick to bring out a label. It's not a very intelligent way to deal with an opposing view on one specific issue or a set of related issues. Again, you need to stop being myopic. That's a very immature way to argue..reminds me of grade-school name-calling. When I voted in in Nov.. my entire ballot was pretty much all DEM. Could a conservative have an almost straight dem. ballot? Again, you need to be able to take criticism. AND, criticizing Clinton does not presuppose someone being a "conservative". Outside of the way he handled some foreign policy issues, I think Clinton was a good president. HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that he was also fortune to be president during an unbridled tech boom and his policy didn't have anything to do with that boom..what he did was "get out of the way"and not doing anything "Bush-like" to fuck things up.
 
No. Your problem is that if someone disagrees with one of your points, you're quick to bring out a label. It's not a very intelligent way to deal with an opposing view on one specific issue or a set of related issues. Again, you need to stop being myopic. That's a very immature way to argue..reminds me of grade-school name-calling. When I voted in in Nov.. my entire ballot was pretty much all DEM. Could a conservative have an almost straight dem. ballot? Again, you need to be able to take criticism. AND, criticizing Clinton does not presuppose someone being a "conservative". Outside of the way he handled some foreign policy issues, I think Clinton was a good president. HOWEVER, that doesn't change the fact that he was also fortune to be president during an unbridled tech boom and his policy didn't have anything to do with that boom..what he did was "get out of the way"and not doing anything "Bush-like" to fuck things up.

Ok, I have the problem.
 
He's playing it correctly. Clinton had similar numbers in the Senate and House when he was first elected.... fucked around and go to aggressive with his policy and it backfired and we all know what happened in the mid-terms elections...massive loses for the dems.. Obama's team seems to always be ahead of the game strategically..and the Repubs are already looking like obstructionists....he plays the game right and the GOP will take decades to recover after Mid terms if they lose the seats in teh senate and house that they are projected too lose...

I agree. Obama appears to be playing Chess -- while the GOP apears to be playing, Checkers.

QueEx
 
President Obama campaigned to the left and is now moving to the right and his poll numbers are starting show the public’s skepticism.

source: The Washington Post

Poll Shows Obama Slipping on Key Issues
Approval Rating on Health Care Falls Below 50 Percent


Monday, July 20, 2009

Heading into a critical period in the debate over health-care reform, public approval of President Obama's stewardship on the issue has dropped below the 50 percent threshold for the first time, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Obama's approval ratings on other front-burner issues, such as the economy and the federal budget deficit, have also slipped over the summer, as rising concern about spending and continuing worries about the economy combine to challenge his administration. Barely more than half approve of the way he is handling unemployment, which now tops 10 percent in 15 states and the District.

The president's overall approval rating remains higher than his marks on particular domestic issues, with 59 percent giving him positive reviews and 37 percent disapproving. But this is the first time in his presidency that Obama has fallen under 60 percent in Post-ABC polling, and the rating is six percentage points lower than it was a month ago.

Obama has taken on a series of major problems during his young presidency, but he faces a particularly difficult fight over his effort to encourage Congress to pass an overhaul of the nation's health-care system.

The legislation has run into problems in the House and Senate, as lawmakers struggle to contain spiraling costs and avoid ballooning the deficit.

Since April, approval of Obama's handling of health care has dropped from 57 percent to 49 percent, with disapproval rising from 29 percent to 44 percent. Obama still maintains a large advantage over congressional Republicans in terms of public trust on the issue, even as the GOP has closed the gap.

The erosion in Obama's overall rating on health care is particularly notable among political independents: While positive in their assessments of his handling of health-care reform at the 100-day mark of his presidency (53 percent approved and 30 percent disapproved), independents now are divided at 44 percent positive and 49 percent negative.

At the same time, there is no slackening in public desire for Obama to keep pressing for action on the major issues of the economy, health care and the deficit. Majorities think he is either doing the right amount or should put greater emphasis on each of these issues.

On health care, the poll, conducted by telephone Wednesday through Saturday, found that a majority of Americans (54 percent) approve of the outlines of the legislation now heading toward floor action. The measure would institute new individual and employer insurance mandates and create a government-run plan to compete with private insurers. Its costs would be paid in part through new taxes on high-income earners.

There are sharp differences in support for this basic package based on income, as well as a deep divide along party lines. Three-quarters of Democrats back the plan, as do nearly six in 10 independents. More than three-quarters of Republicans are opposed. About two-thirds of those with household incomes below $50,000 favor the plan, and a slim majority (52 percent) of those with higher incomes are against it. The income divide is even starker among independents.

Republicans have hammered the president and congressional Democrats over the cost of an health-care overhaul and its potential impact on the federal deficit, twin issues that have emerged as a possible brake on any new package.

Obama's approval rating on his handling of the deficit is down to 43 percent, as independents now tilt toward disapproval (42 percent approve; 48 percent disapprove).

More broadly, 55 percent of Americans put a higher priority on holding the deficit in check than on spending to boost the economy, compared with 40 percent who advocate additional outlays even if it means a sharply greater budget shortfall. This is a big shift from January, when a slim majority preferred to emphasize federal spending.

Independents, who split 50 percent to 46 percent for more spending in January, now break 56 percent to 41 percent for more fiscal discipline. But a larger shift has been among moderate and conservative Democrats, who prioritized more spending by about 2 to 1 in January and March. Now they are about evenly divided in approach.

Nearly a quarter of moderate and conservative Democrats (22 percent) now see Obama as an "old-style tax-and-spend Democrat," up from 4 percent in March. Among all Americans, 52 percent consider Obama a "new-style Democrat who will be careful with the public's money." That is down from 58 percent a month ago and 62 percent in March, to about where President Bill Clinton was on that question in the summer of 1993.

Concerns about the federal account balance are also reflected in views about another round of stimulus spending. In the new poll, more than six in 10 oppose spending beyond the $787 billion already allocated to boost the economy. Most Democrats support more spending; big majorities of Republicans and independents are against the idea.

Support for new spending is tempered by flagging confidence on Obama's plan for the economy. Fifty-six percent are confident that his programs will reap benefits, but that is down from 64 percent in March and from 72 percent just before he took office six months ago. More now say they have no confidence in the plan than say they are very confident it will work. Among independents and Republicans, confidence has decreased by 20 or more points; it has dropped seven points among Democrats.

Approval of Obama's handling of the overall economy stands at 52 percent, with 46 percent disapproving, and, for the first time in his presidency, more Americans strongly disapprove of his performance on the economy than strongly approve. Last month, 56 percent gave him positive marks on this issue.

More than three-quarters of all Americans say they are worried about the direction of the economy over the next few years, down only marginally since Obama's inauguration. Concerns about personal finances have also abated only moderately since January.

Obama declared ownership of the economic recovery, but the public still places far more blame on President George W. Bush's regulatory policies than on Obama's efforts for the state of the economy. But in the first read of a measurement that will be closely watched in coming years, nearly three in 10 say they are personally "not as well off" financially as they were when Obama took office.

Obama's leadership attributes remain highly rated, despite some slippage. Seven in 10 call him a strong leader, two in three say he cares about the problems of people like themselves, and just over six in 10 say he fulfilled a central campaign pledge and has brought needed change to Washington. However, he has dropped 10 points on the empathy question since April.

Obama still holds wide advantages over Republicans in Congress on the economy and the deficit, although the GOP has rebounded marginally from earlier in the year. The overall approval rating for congressional Republicans has increased six points since April, to 36 percent (compared with 47 percent approval for Democrats), and they have picked up five points vis-à-vis Obama on the deficit. They have gained seven on health care.

Beyond partisan shifts in Obama's ratings, sharp declines have occurred among those with household incomes above $50,000. And those with incomes above $50,000 now are split evenly between Obama and Republicans on dealing with health care. In June, they favored Obama by a 21-point margin.

A total of 1,001 randomly selected adults were interviewed for this poll; the margin of sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.
 
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