Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal rounds

[geechiedan]

Barack is the FRONT RUNNER yet Hillary has been dictating the pace of this shit since Ohio and Texas..

All her wins (no matter what the spread) are HUGE victories and proof she needs to continue.. Meanwhile anything he does just isn't enough.

Now watch the spin here kiddies...

PUNDIT STATEMENT: Obama spent much more money than clinton and still lost.

THE REALITY: clinton was up by more than 20 points a month ago...PA was already slated as a win for her. The fact is obama brought that figure down significantly. What could have been (and should have been for hillary) a runaway blow out really wasn't. Thats money well spent as far as the obama camp is concerned.

who SHOULD be royally PISSED OFF about overspending and not getting good results should be the clintons...9 million in the red with 4 million of that owed to mark penn whos strategy put them in 2nd place...but i digress...

If you look at the news now they are already ignoring NC which obama is slated to win and where he's up in the polls by 20+ points...Now if recent history holds up what will happen is hillary will campaign HARD in NC try to whittle into that lead. If she loses by 10 points (same margin obama lost by after being down big in a state he WASN'T supposed to win anyway mind you) the clinton camp and media will hail it a MORAL VICTORY and a sign that obamas popularity is "further eroding"..

Even tho a double digit win for obama will pretty much nullify any gains hillary made in PA.

BUT..the big story will be the MORAL victory hillary won despite losing the state. Her camp and surrogates will be all over the media to spin it. Meanwhile Obamas camp and surrogates won't be making nearly as much noise about the win and what it means...even WITH msnbc pitching for him.

RIGHT NOW obama should have surrogates and advisers "softening" the loss but you don't see it as much as hillary's people fucking gushing all over tv.


Offering HIM the VP position..
Making HIS wins seem insignificant..
Making HIS war chest spending seem ridiculous even when she's poor broke and in the RED..

Obama is the FRONT RUNNER and he needs to control how this contest goes. Put HER on the defensive... marginalize HER victories.

Also I noticed that hillary is doing the election equivalent to "stealing rounds" in boxing..

Which is to say a boxer steals rounds by dancing for 2:30 then in the last 30 sec flurries like a motherfucker till the bell rings. Even if the punches weren't effective or damaging it LOOKS like the boxer controlled the round and was aggressive and it gives the impression something happened when it really didn't.

I noticed that since ohio and texas some controversy tends to happen to obama about a week or two before the election whether its manufactured(bittergate) or a misstep she capitalizes on (Nafta meeting with the canucks or a bad debate performance) hillary is quick to go for the jugular (as is her right) but obama NEEDS to be more careful about how his camp conducts itself and he definitely needs to be more aggressive with her mistakes..

 

[Damn Right]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

RIGHT NOW obama should have surrogates and advisers "softening" the loss but you don't see it as much as hillary's people fucking gushing all over tv.

they said LAST NIGHT before the election in PA that she was gonna win....what are you talking about

 

[geechiedan]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

they said LAST NIGHT before the election in PA that she was gonna win....what are you talking about

yes.. i understand that..but since she actually won by 10 points (beating the projected 8 by some standards) the win looks bigger than it actually is...and her surrogates are trying to puff it up by repeating the line "why can't he close the deal?" which brings us to the next media spin the clintons are doing...

PUNDIT STATEMENT: Why can Obama close the deal?
Being the front runner with all this popularity and enthusiam why can't he win a big state and shut hillary out? What up with that?

THE REALITY: Hillary is the one with the great political pedigree..the CLINTONS are supposed to be the saviors of the democratic party and are the ONLY dems to win a presidential election in what 20 years...the REAL question is why is a JUNIOR SENATOR with no name recognition or "experience" the front runner over a person with 35 years of experience who SUPPOSED to know how to win? (And gender bias only goes so far..)

Thats the question the obama camp needs to push.

 

[Damn Right]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

yes.. i understand that..but since she actually won by 10 points (beating the projected 8 by some standards) the win looks bigger than it actually is...and her surrogates are trying to puff it up by repeating the line "why can't he close the deal?" which brings us to the next media spin the clintons are doing....

she's basically gonna argue why a person with less states and less popular votes should get the nomination. her arguement is that she won 'the big states'. BUT THIS AIN'T A BIG STATE CONTEST.....she's done

 

[femmenoire]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

she's basically gonna argue why a person with less states and less popular votes should get the nomination. her arguement is that she won 'the big states'. BUT THIS AIN'T A BIG STATE CONTEST.....she's done

No it's not but it may sway the superdelegates who just now started to run to Obama's side.

Now, maybe not so much.

Luckily he will get Indiana because of his Midwest connection. NC is hard to tell. Clearly he will get all of the Black vote there but how many delegates are up for grabs in each state?

 

[Damn Right]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

how many delegates are up for grabs in each state?

they ran the numbers on cnn and the last large delegate state to hold elections was PA....and suposedly she only had a +6 seat gain....the numbers don't work for her

 

[nyyyyce]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

Yo fam this tittle was like putting the Bat signal in the sky. I definitely got your back on this one.

For some strange reason most Obama supporters on this board refuse to acknowledge the premise of your argument because "he's winning so he must be doing something right". This is a fallacy.

As I have stated in numerous posts before OBAMA DOES NOT DICTATE THE NARRATIVE. He follows along or gets taken off message and has to steer the message back to what he was trying to say. However, this is only after Hillary has hijacked his shine or threw another charge at him.

For all intents and purposes the race is over...right? Yes. Known fact, Obama CAN'T say that outright...right? True. Can he say one of the following today and into next week:


1. Wow, six weeks to close a 25 point gap and 60 year relationship with the home state candidate. Thank you Pennsylvania for your support and helping me get so close. I'll have more time to get to know you as president.

2. My opponent is formidable especially in places she has lived. There is no denying that. But you can't deny the states that I have won contribute to my overall delegate lead. Which is what we are having these elections for. There are 50 states NOT just the states that Hillary won.

3.The math is simple. Hilary needs to win every remaining contest by a 70/30 margin. She ONLY won by ten in her home state. No matter what the spin is, and I am confident that the media WILL do that, it is increasingly unlikely that she will do that even if she won all of the remaining states. Therefore we go on to secure all the delegates we can to win this nomination according to the RULES set up by this process.



WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH REPEATING ONE OF THESE LINES ON EVERY BROADCAST AND HAVE IT ECHOED BY ALL OF HIS SURROGATES!?!?!?!?



Dudes surrogates are lame for the most part and there is no one out there hammering his message home everyday like Carville, Bagala, Bill Clinton etc. for Hillary. He is, by his own hand IMO, at a disadvantage because he is playing not to loose as opposed to playing to win.

 

[geechiedan]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

he needs to be more assertive period...

 

[blakheart]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

No it's not but it may sway the superdelegates who just now started to run to Obama's side.

Now, maybe not so much.

Luckily he will get Indiana because of his Midwest connection. NC is hard to tell. Clearly he will get all of the Black vote there but how many delegates are up for grabs in each state?

I believe 115 in NC 72 in Indiana

 

[DaleMabry]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

Tough to dictate the narrative when you are trying to run a positive dignified campaign that isnt attack-based. But he could do more to dictate the narrative, absolutely.

This is the first Obama frustration post you've done that I actually find constructive and timely, Geechie--good job! LOL

 

[nyyyyce]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

he needs to be more assertive period...

Him and his surrogates on TV.

 

[Pack Rat]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

White folks in Pennsylvania

Obama

 

[Jazzy1]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

I agree with one thing his surrogates have got to be more more contentious on tv when debating the Clinton spin machine they are letting pundits spin this soft elitist angle along with the he's got questions angle when he's ahead.They need to point to what the Hillary attacks might look like angle concerning her negatives

his folks need to be saying this

1. he needs to make the argument that on her turf he won more of a percentage in PA then she won in SC.

2. That both the bitter nor Wright comments had an affect on the final result because he finished better than the early projections had him finishing

3. That since Feb 5th he's won 93 superdelegates to her 5

4. that in fact Obama did 6% better in PA then Ohio amongst working class voters

Hit these points hard plus hype the delegate math. And ,make the point that her momentum is based on what she was stopped momentum wise when he won Missippi and Wyoming. After she was supposed to be back after Ohoi and Texas

 

[peterlongshort]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

Tough to dictate the narrative when you are trying to run a positive dignified campaign that isnt attack-based. But he could do more to dictate the narrative, absolutely.

This is the first Obama frustration post you've done that I actually find constructive and timely, Geechie--good job! LOL

I agree with this man.

 

[Dkounciler]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

Barack will be ahight.

He is an MVP in the league of the Democratic Party. Several people including some Hillary supporters ( endorsers) have been helped by receiving money from Obama's political action commitee in running their campaigns.

Many in the party may watch Hillary clown and show a sense of loyalty but they also know Barack IS the kind of new blood they need to move forward. People are getting older and younger folk need to be inspired. IMO Public affection for the The Clintons is the ONLY reason they haven't shut this down. They (major party players) know Obama can take on McCain but now have to deal with this loose canon shelling the party possibly in pieces for a self serving legacy ( to be the first woman president).

The country nor the democratic party is Hillary's overall first priority. Thats not to suggest she isn't a good politician or a knowledgeable candidate who could do an O.K. job but her ambitions are self serving and its made obvious in her comments when she often includes her gender as a reason why people should support her.

Complaining about Baracks Don Corleone moves heres
Ann Colter on Barack Obamas Hopefund PAC catering to Democrats only
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/president-obama-will-be-a-uniter-pt-2

Hopefund PAC donated $500K to Democratic Senate candidates

In 2005, Sen. Barack Obama created Hopefund, a political committee, with the goal of promoting the candidacies of leaders who are committed to changing the course of our nation to ensure the promise of America for future generations.

Already, Hopefund has made contributions to Democratic Senators up for re-election in 2006 and helped raise nearly half a million to help the Democrats take back the US Senate. Our activities will not be limited to the US Senate: Hopefund will be our vehicle to help shape the debate for Democrats around the country.

Candidates

* Daniel Akaka (HI)
* Jeff Bingaman (NM)
* Sherrod Brown (OH)
* Robert Byrd (WV)
* Maria Cantwell (WA)
* Thomas Carper (DE)
* Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY)
* Kent Conrad (ND)
* Dianne Feinstein (CA)
* Edward Kennedy (MA)
* Amy Klobuchar (MN)
* Herb Kohl (WI)
* Ned Lamont (CT)
* Claire McCaskill (MO)
* Ben Nelson (NE)
* Bill Nelson (FL)
* Debbie Stabenow (MI)
* Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)

Theres several more listed on that site and even more listed here
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama's_contributions_to_campaign_endorsers
that shows some people who are endorsing Hillary who have received funds from Obama Hopefund PAC

Rep. Sheldon Whitehouse (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $5,000 (primary) and $5,000 (general) - 4/26/06[102]
Rep. Joe Sestak (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $2,500 - 6/29/06;[99] $3,500 - 11/1/06[100]
New York Rep. Michael Arcuri (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $2,500 - 10/20/06 (general)[79] and $2,500 (primary) - 11/1/06[80]
Rep. John Hall (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $1,000 - 11/2/06[65]
Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $2,500 - 10/20/06 and $2,500 - 11/1/06;[81] refunded $2,500 - 4/19/07
Iowa Rep. Leonard Boswell (endorsed Hillary Clinton)[50] $5,000 - 6/15/07;[51] $4,000 - 9/27/07[32]
Rep. Hilda Solis (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $4,000 - 9/27/07[32]
Arkansas Rep. Mark Pryor (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $5,000 - 12/28/06[28]


Tavis should pay attention here and give this man some props for trying to bring our youth along in the game
http://hopefundamerica.com/training/applicants/quotes

 

[smooveface]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

As much as it pains me to say this, I just don't think Obama is the "clear" frontrunner anymore. Billary has been able to capitolize on the MSM's short term memory so that they have forgotten all about big wins Obama had before TX and OH. The wins we saw several months ago have now been paled by Hillary's wins in these very big and key states. Meanwhile, Obama's camp has been content on just staying the course and in react and defend mode. As all of this has happened, echoes of "Yes, We Can" has turned into "Oh No, She Didn't" and "Now, What?" by the Obama camp. As Hillary continues to gain more momentum (via wins and MSM) at the expense of Obama's misteps, Obama has been caught napping throughout the Hillary show and doesn't know whether to throw oranges or clap. So far he's decided to clap along. He had better start throwing some fruit her pretty soon before she truly steals the show and the nomination.

OB needs to man up and aggressively fight for this nomination. As a black person you all know we have to be 2 times better and smarter than our counterparts before we are given any respect or consideration. That's exactly what you are seeing with the MSM. A slim lead is almost a loss because he is black. Unless he can somehow foster a "considerable" lead in delegates and/or votes, I'm afraid the DNC gaurd is going to fold towards Hillary. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we've all seen first hand that you can be just as smart, just as well spoken, just as qualified as our white couterparts, but still don't get our props unless we leapfrog over them. And that's what I think Obama is going to need to seal this nomination.

 

[nyyyyce]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

As much as it pains me to say this, I just don't think Obama is the "clear" frontrunner anymore. Billary has been able to capitolize on the MSM's short term memory so that they have forgotten all about big wins Obama had before TX and OH. The wins we saw several months ago have now been paled by Hillary's wins in these very big and key states. Meanwhile, Obama's camp has been content on just staying the course and in react and defend mode. As all of this has happened, echoes of "Yes, We Can" has turned into "Oh No, She Didn't" and "Now, What?" by the Obama camp. As Hillary continues to gain more momentum (via wins and MSM) at the expense of Obama's misteps, Obama has been caught napping throughout the Hillary show and doesn't know whether to throw oranges or clap. So far he's decided to clap along. He had better start throwing some fruit her pretty soon before she truly steals the show and the nomination.

OB needs to man up and aggressively fight for this nomination. As a black person you all know we have to be 2 times better and smarter than our counterparts before we are given any respect or consideration. That's exactly what you are seeing with the MSM. A slim lead is almost a loss because he is black. Unless he can somehow foster a "considerable" lead in delegates and/or votes, I'm afraid the DNC gaurd is going to fold towards Hillary. I hope I'm wrong, but I think we've all seen first hand that you can be just as smart, just as well spoken, just as qualified as our white couterparts, but still don't get our props unless we leapfrog over them. And that's what I think Obama is going to need to seal this nomination.

1. "As much as it pains me to say this, I just don't think Obama is the "clear" frontrunner anymore."

It's not that he is not the clear front runner. The delegate count, states won and popular vote firmly back that up. The problem is the perception that he is "allowing" to be formed about him. But I understand what you're getting at.

2. "Billary has been able to capitolize on the MSM's short term memory so that they have forgotten all about big wins Obama had before TX and OH. The wins we saw several months ago have now been paled by Hillary's wins in these very big and key states. Meanwhile, Obama's camp has been content on just staying the course and in react and defend mode. As all of this has happened, echoes of "Yes, We Can" has turned into "Oh No, She Didn't" and "Now, What?" by the Obama camp. As Hillary continues to gain more momentum (via wins and MSM) at the expense of Obama's misteps, Obama has been caught napping throughout the Hillary show and doesn't know whether to throw oranges or clap. So far he's decided to clap along. He had better start throwing some fruit her pretty soon before she truly steals the show and the nomination."

I was going to take pieces of this to comment on but it was all good. However, the general sentiment amongst the majority of most Obama supporters is that "He got this. Don't worry" This makes no sense to me. Hilary is and has been dictating the narrative of how Barak is perceived. Is he a Christian? Is he playing the race card? Is he an elitist? Is he electable? Why are we disenfranchising Florida and Michigan? ALL of these assertions came from HILLARY not the media. The media picked up on all of them because SHE introduced them and Obama continually gets thrown off message to answer these asinine claims. He is NOT being perceived as a fighter, though NO ONE gave him a chance to be here at this point. How does the Former first lady, 35 in politics and political contacts and resources out the @$$ EVER get considered to be "the underdog" when out of her own mouth claimed that the nomination would be wrapped up by Feb. 5th?!?!?!? It only happens because she is saying it, willing it an is going unopposed by Obama. That is frustrating to watch everyday.

3. "OB needs to man up and aggressively fight for this nomination."

Again, for some strange reason, people here associate him manning up and being agressive with him "going negative" - that is absurd. I like the guy but I am not impressed by his ability not only to counter, but use cunning and guile to to preempt attacks.

A week prior to bitergate Hillary was still reeling from Bosnia and in particular the Mark Penn outing about NAFTA. Obama left it up to the media to fight his battles - again. There was a little traction but not like the bogus bittergate scandal. Dude went from potentially having his foot on Hillary's throat to her turning him into an "elitist". The crazy part is the media ran with that more intensely than they did with finding out that Hillary's TOP adviser was actually working to keep NAFTA in place. How in the hell did she survive that - in Pennsylvania of all places?!?!?!? Because Barak, again, let her slide and did not make FACTUAL ads that addressed Mark Penn and the conflict of interest it was for her to have him in her ear. Nor did he bring up the 800K Bill Clinton received for still supporting NAFTA.

These are things that Obama HAD (past tense) in his arsenal to use and he didn't. He's got the war, Iran - especially how hawkish Hillary has become, social security, Bush, his delegate lead, Hillary's shifting metrics to win the nomination - a host of things to use. History has shown that he is not one to engage - just take numerous blows.

 

[DaleMabry]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

Barack will be ahight.

He is an MVP in the league of the Democratic Party. Several people including some Hillary supporters ( endorsers) have been helped by receiving money from Obama's political action commitee in running their campaigns.

Many in the party may watch Hillary clown and show a sense of loyalty but they also know Barack IS the kind of new blood they need to move forward. People are getting older and younger folk need to be inspired. IMO Public affection for the The Clintons is the ONLY reason they haven't shut this down. They (major party players) know Obama can take on McCain but now have to deal with this loose canon shelling the party possibly in pieces for a self serving legacy ( to be the first woman president).

The country nor the democratic party is Hillary's overall first priority. Thats not to suggest she isn't a good politician or a knowledgeable candidate who could do an O.K. job but her ambitions are self serving and its made obvious in her comments when she often includes her gender as a reason why people should support her.

Complaining about Baracks Don Corleone moves heres
Ann Colter on Barack Obamas Hopefund PAC catering to Democrats only
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/president-obama-will-be-a-uniter-pt-2

Hopefund PAC donated $500K to Democratic Senate candidates

In 2005, Sen. Barack Obama created Hopefund, a political committee, with the goal of promoting the candidacies of leaders who are committed to changing the course of our nation to ensure the promise of America for future generations.

Already, Hopefund has made contributions to Democratic Senators up for re-election in 2006 and helped raise nearly half a million to help the Democrats take back the US Senate. Our activities will not be limited to the US Senate: Hopefund will be our vehicle to help shape the debate for Democrats around the country.

Candidates

* Daniel Akaka (HI)
* Jeff Bingaman (NM)
* Sherrod Brown (OH)
* Robert Byrd (WV)
* Maria Cantwell (WA)
* Thomas Carper (DE)
* Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY)
* Kent Conrad (ND)
* Dianne Feinstein (CA)
* Edward Kennedy (MA)
* Amy Klobuchar (MN)
* Herb Kohl (WI)
* Ned Lamont (CT)
* Claire McCaskill (MO)
* Ben Nelson (NE)
* Bill Nelson (FL)
* Debbie Stabenow (MI)
* Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)

Theres several more listed on that site and even more listed here
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama's_contributions_to_campaign_endorsers
that shows some people who are endorsing Hillary who have received funds from Obama Hopefund PAC

Rep. Sheldon Whitehouse (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $5,000 (primary) and $5,000 (general) - 4/26/06[102]
Rep. Joe Sestak (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $2,500 - 6/29/06;[99] $3,500 - 11/1/06[100]
New York Rep. Michael Arcuri (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $2,500 - 10/20/06 (general)[79] and $2,500 (primary) - 11/1/06[80]
Rep. John Hall (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $1,000 - 11/2/06[65]
Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $2,500 - 10/20/06 and $2,500 - 11/1/06;[81] refunded $2,500 - 4/19/07
Iowa Rep. Leonard Boswell (endorsed Hillary Clinton)[50] $5,000 - 6/15/07;[51] $4,000 - 9/27/07[32]
Rep. Hilda Solis (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $4,000 - 9/27/07[32]
Arkansas Rep. Mark Pryor (endorsed Hillary Clinton) $5,000 - 12/28/06[28]


Tavis should pay attention here and give this man some props for trying to bring our youth along in the game
http://hopefundamerica.com/training/applicants/quotes

Damn son he's on some next shit, some "Run The Democratic Party in 2010 No Matter What" style shit! LOL

 

[nyyyyce]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

In 2005, Sen. Barack Obama created Hopefund, a political committee, with the goal of promoting the candidacies of leaders who are committed to changing the course of our nation to ensure the promise of America for future generations.

Already, Hopefund has made contributions to Democratic Senators up for re-election in 2006 and helped raise nearly half a million to help the Democrats take back the US Senate. Our activities will not be limited to the US Senate: Hopefund will be our vehicle to help shape the debate for Democrats around the country.

Candidates

* Daniel Akaka (HI)
* Jeff Bingaman (NM)
* Sherrod Brown (OH)
* Robert Byrd (WV)
* Maria Cantwell (WA)
* Thomas Carper (DE)
* Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY)
* Kent Conrad (ND)
* Dianne Feinstein (CA)
* Edward Kennedy (MA)
* Amy Klobuchar (MN)
* Herb Kohl (WI)
* Ned Lamont (CT)
* Claire McCaskill (MO)
* Ben Nelson (NE)
* Bill Nelson (FL)
* Debbie Stabenow (MI)
* Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)

Theres several more listed on that site and even more listed here
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama's_contributions_to_campaign_endorsers
that shows some people who are endorsing Hillary who have received funds from Obama Hopefund PAC


Tavis should pay attention here and give this man some props for trying to bring our youth along in the game
http://hopefundamerica.com/training/applicants/quotes

This is a good thing, but I've never heard Obama talk about this at length or at all. This certainly adds to his change message.

 

[DaleMabry]

Re: Obama frustration 3 NOT controlling media spin and hillary is trying to steal ro

Part of the problem is I think he is saving stuff for the general, part of it is with having to field Hillary's attacks, he loses face time to address policy, so everyone assumes he has nothing to say. I think this is deliberate on her part.