NYT: Why Black families are leaving New York and what that means for the city

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New York once held out the promise of upward mobility for Black Americans, but now there are signs that the sense of promise has dimmed. From 2010 to 2020, a decade during which the city’s population increased by 629,000 people, the number of Black New Yorkers dropped. The surge was driven by Asian and Hispanic residents who moved here.​

The trend is apparent in school enrollments: The number of Black children and teenagers living in the city fell more than 19 percent from 2010 to 2020. Schools have lost children in all demographic groups, but the loss of Black children has been steeper as families have moved elsewhere.​

I asked Troy Closson, who with our colleague Nicole Hong wrote about this phenomenon, to explain.​

What has prompted the exodus of Black families?​

So many families that have left over the past several years have felt the city was becoming too unaffordable, whether because of housing — the rent — or the day-to-day expenses. And on top of that, child care in the city has carried such a huge cost.​

They said this is not the place where upward mobility is possible, but it would be if they moved to a different city, to the South.​

Why the South? Do families that have moved there feel more fulfilled?​

So many things have driven Black families to the South, whether it’s the possibility of having so much more space or just having a backyard for their kids. Whether it’s having, in certain cities, a job market that’s growing. Atlanta is one of the hottest places to be right now. And for some families it’s just about moving somewhere where they feel a deeper connection to the city itself.​

 

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Progressives bewailing NYC’s black exodus have only themselves to blame

New York City’s black population has dropped 9% since 2000, with the exodus apparently accelerating after the eight disastrous de Blasio years.

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Why Black Families Are Leaving New York, and What It Means for the City
Food & Drinks / January 31, 2023

The filmmaker Spike Lee, a longtime New York booster, said he worries about the city becoming more expensive and less accessible to people of color in particular, who have contributed so much to the city’s culture, from the birth of hip hop in the South Bronx to artists like Alvin Ailey and Jean-Michel Basquiat.

“It’s really sad because the reality is New York City is not affordable anymore,” Mr. Lee said. And if Black people can’t afford to live in the city, “you could seriously say New York City isn’t the greatest city in the world,” he said.

Eric Adams, New York’s second Black mayor, has vowed to create a more affordable city to stem the “hemorrhaging of Black and brown families.” Mr. Adams’s own bid for mayor was partially built on a biography that reflects the Black community’s roots in the city: His parents traveled north from Alabama during the Great Migration, climbed their way from poverty in Brooklyn to middle-class homeownership in Queens and relied on public schools and colleges to lift their children to greater success.

Younger Black families say that trajectory has become more elusive. High inflation and a turbulent rental market as the pandemic has subsided have hurt New Yorkers across the board. But Black families lag far behind white families in homeownership and in building wealth. Black households have a median income of $53,000, compared with roughly $98,000 for white households, according to the most recent census data.

Ruth Horry, a Black mother who bounced through cockroach- and rodent-infested Brooklyn apartments for years, has repeatedly been priced out by rising rents. Eventually, Ms. Horry, 36, and her three daughters, landed in the shelter system. At a shelter in Queens, the sink was so small Ms. Horry washed her children’s hair in the bathroom at a nearby McDonald’s.

“The conditions for what you could afford were mind-blowing,” she said. “I was just so tired of that.”

In late 2019, Ms. Horry moved to Jersey City through a New York City voucher program, known as the Special One-Time Assistance program, which relocates vulnerable families into permanent housing with a full year’s rent upfront. The drop in living costs has been life-changing, Ms. Horry said, and she is considering moving to the South to save even more.

 

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[Shadow]

Long and short of it is housing in NYC is shit. I knew it as a kid, learned it again as a recruiter in my 30s and no way I would move back in my 50s.

not everything is bad with NYC but it is not, nor has it ever been, an excellent place for black families.

my opinion only.

 

[blackbull1970]

Good info.

 

[Da Backshot Champ]

I was surprised to see the Black population in NYC dropped down to 19% in '20 from 25% in '10. Unfortunately, it is not the project dwelling welfare addicts leaving. It is the middle class ones. It will be like San Fran where the only Blacks left rep"niggatime" all the time.

 

[Dr. Truth]

Why articles make it like it’s some mystery. It’s the same with all crazy expensive places. Cost of living. It’s why Blacks leave NYC, California, etc. it’s like 99% of all reasons. Many have homes they’ve owned for generations and sell them and move down south and buy houses 5 and 6 times the size and have no mortgage.

 

[b_visionary]

NYC is a great place if you can afford it. Many of us can't. The south is more affordable, but you get what you pay for. Can't win.

 

[34real]

The south is more affordable

It is but that also depends on where you choose to live cause living in West Bubble-fuck,past the mason dixon line yes you can afford to live ok down there but places like Mia,ATL,Dallas,Hou,Charlotte,Memphis where people want to live cost money and it's a different lifestyle....ain't no corner stores,buses,trains,you can't uber everywhere.

No one wants to relocate to West Memphis,Arkansas.....noooo it was good enough for Grandma and Granddaddy but I can't do it.
About as Cowboy as I'll ever get....minus the horse


But in the back of my mind I'm this type of Cowboy,if I'mma be one I want to be this

 

[DC_Dude]

Yeah makes sense. This resonates alot from what I hear from people who lived in NYC and left. Similar to what is happening in DC ( a lil different because of the size, but the same).




More bang for you buck, but depending on where you moving too, the school systems are MUCH better. Look at Fort Mills, SC which has one of the best school districts in the country.

So now not only I can get a house I can afford, but if I have kids, I can put them in a better school system.

Plus the weather is better in alot of places and the quality of life is good IMO as someone who lived in the DMV for 20 years and in DC Proper for the last 12 years.

Taxes are better as well...

 

[DC_Dude]

Plus look at a place like Charlotte, which I am moving too in a few months (Charlotte -Metro).

I understand all black people are not your kin folk, but damn it's helpful to see a black mayor or a diverse city council.

Mayor Charlotte

Meet the Mayor

8be34d1a-de2c-4764-bca0-e3c7ba708e291084b4ae-d49c-4bc3-9f50-6cfb4d9c19acDownload Mayor Lyle's HeadshotAs the Mayor of Charlotte, Vi Lyles has been at the forefront of propelling the city towards a future where quality of life and equal opportunity are accessible to all...

charlottenc.gov

Chief of Police

Plus when you are relocating, you have to look at what cities will be growing in the 10 -20 years....That's a major drawing point to attracting people as well...

Hell they just opened up a Harold's Chicken in Charlotte..

https://www.instagram.com/haroldschicken_charlotte/?hl=en

 

[850credit]

Let em appreciate their rat infestested hole.

Same folk that look down on their Southern family and call bamas.

No disrespect to the NYers of the board

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

they flooding nyc with pale face euros from overseas....giving them housing,

and SOCIAL FUCKING SECURITY THAT THEY DIDNT HAVE TO WORK FOR...

THATS THE REAL CRIME!!!

but all Im gonna say is its all gonna be a blessing in disguise..

When the God Race first started moving to NYC they said NYC was going to be a waste land,

property value was gonna drop the more TRUE AMERICANS aka "black" people moved to

the inner cities...

wights ran away... WIGHT FLIGHT FROM NYC WAS REALLY A THING IN THE LATE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES...

ONLY TO FIND OUT THE EXACT OPPOSITE HAPPEND REAL ESTATE WENT THROUGH THE ROOF

and everybody AND THIER MAMA WANTS TO COME HERE...and STAY...

but the fact is..this system is pouring in wight europeans and those who are willing to check off

wight race, to keep the wight population numbers up!!

but the fact these immigrants are getting SOCIAL SECURITY IS FUCKIN INSANE....!!!

but most folks are fuckin cluless to whats going on,

Most dont even know the fuckin CHINESE GOT THEIR OWN POLICE STATIONS,

RIGHT HERE IN MANY PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY....

but again..

EVERYTHING IS IN DIVINE ORDER!!!

EVERYBODY GETTING WHAT THEY DESERVE!!

 

[blackbull1970]

Moving to the Southeast for black folks is like jumping out the pot and into the fire.

All those Southern/Confederate states are controlled by the GOP.

The cities are usually Democratic controlled, but they are limited and have some autonomy, but they are overshadowed by the state.

As long as you stay within city limits, you ok for the most part.

 

[DWBass]

Don't mind rural living as long as I'm close to all the amenities. The taxes in NY are ridiculous! My mom seems to love paying the huge amount of taxes because I can't get her to leave. I moved to VA and am paying 1/10th of what she's paying!

 

[mozartte]

The hot shit now in the south is the triangle of Atl-Charlotte-and Nashville. Of course Texas and places in Florida. IMO, Nashville is that spot right now. I would choose that over the crowded ATL.

 

[DC_Dude]

The hot shit now in the south is the triangle of Atl-Charlotte-and Nashville. Of course Texas and places in Florida. IMO, Nashville is that spot right now. I would choose that over the crowded ATL.

Yeah my boy just moved back to Nashville. No state taxes are a plus. I've only visited once like 15 years ago and it was a pretty cool city. I am sure it's like 10 times better now....

 

[Entrepronegro]

Plus look at a place like Charlotte, which I am moving too in a few months (Charlotte -Metro).

I understand all black people are not your kin folk, but damn it's helpful to see a black mayor or a diverse city council.

Mayor Charlotte

Meet the Mayor

8be34d1a-de2c-4764-bca0-e3c7ba708e291084b4ae-d49c-4bc3-9f50-6cfb4d9c19acDownload Mayor Lyle's HeadshotAs the Mayor of Charlotte, Vi Lyles has been at the forefront of propelling the city towards a future where quality of life and equal opportunity are accessible to all...

charlottenc.gov

Chief of Police

Plus when you are relocating, you have to look at what cities will be growing in the 10 -20 years....That's a major drawing point to attracting people as well...

Hell they just opened up a Harold's Chicken in Charlotte..

https://www.instagram.com/haroldschicken_charlotte/?hl=en

I like Charlotte it's a cool city.

 

[Africanama]

born and raised in BK. I moved my family to Jersey back in 2021 and only in the tri-state because of work. I want to move down south or even out the country at some point.

 

[SPECTRE1]

Many of you don't belong in a city, you can't live cooperatively with other people. We need to deal with the white supremacists in the rural areas, because we all can't pack up in a city. When I run across these fools, I start talking about rural lifestyle and how great it is, trying to get them to leave; especially the racial opportunist - you have to be productive living in a rural area.



I have given tips in other threads on how to deal with them killing your livestock and coming on to your property.

With the internet, you can still be connected to the black community, you will just be on 10,000 acres by yourself. This is how you deal with crime, pushing these fools out with high prices.

 

[Cannibal]

When the poor move out the rich move in, the city ain't gonna fall apart.

 

[DC_Dude]

When the poor move out the rich move in, the city ain't gonna fall apart.

Yup. That's what's happened/happing in DC...Hell the whole entire DMV, hence why PG County is no longer the #1 county for blacks. It's Charles Co. which is about 45 minutes outside of DC...

 

[SmoothD]

Can't have a home without a front yard, back yard and grass.

 

[mrcmd187]

Alot of my cousins who grew up there left for better jobs and cause they wanted houses over brownstones. I have a few family members still holding down their brownstones but, they say people have been hounding them for years to sell, my Aunt was thinking hard about but turned down a seven figure offer.

 

[TimRock]

Got lucky about 9 years ago. Left NYC for Tampa. Job asked me to relocate and keep my NY salary. 9 years later, one kid in college, no debt just mortgage, salary doubled and in a director position. No regrets at all.

 

[Shadow]

Got lucky about 9 years ago. Left NYC for Tampa. Job asked me to relocate and keep my NY salary. 9 years later, one kid in college, no debt just mortgage, salary doubled and in a director position. No regrets at all.

tampa was on the short list after I left the military but NC talked some good number and my wife slid into a job right before I got my offers.

now I’m living life and she hates her job. Go figure.

Still, Tampa is most def a contender.