Not dating Black women, some boys start young .. Interesting Blog I read

[kwazdog]

I love black women....Godspeed to ya'll, and conquering the "attitude"(NON SUPPORTIVE) problem. Thats the only thing that makes me SERIOUSLY consider fucking with white girls sometimes...I find all women attractive but I prefer black women that are my refection...I'd probably be all angy and milliant with a white girl...Sistas try to be so tuff that they block themselves from the peaceful life that submitting to a sincere/honorable and caring man can provide....

Ya'll gonna work it out, we gonna work it out.... eventually...A lot of ego's will/must get deflated before we get there tho...

 

[Izayoi]

I love black women....Godspeed to ya'll, and conquering the "attitude"(NON SUPPORTIVE) problem. Thats the only thing that makes me SERIOUSLY consider fucking with white girls sometimes...I find all women attractive but I prefer black women that are my refection...I'd probably be all angy and milliant with a white girl...Sistas try to be so tuff that they block themselves from the peaceful life that submitting to a sincere/honorable and caring man can provide....

Ya'll gonna work it out, we gonna work it out.... eventually...A lot of ego's will/must get deflated before we get there tho...

C/S I still have hope.

Thanks Zero and Soopa for your posts. I agree with a lot of what you said.

Bottom line if you don't teach your black children some pride, the society will surely teach them shame. Any decisions made from a place of shame are bound to be "bad."

 

[kwazdog]

C/S I still have hope.

Thanks Zero and Soopa for your posts. I agree with a lot of what you said.

Bottom line if you don't teach your black children some pride, the society will surely teach them shame. Any decisions made from a place of shame are bound to be "bad."

Izzy!!! One of my favorate ladies of BGOL!!!

I dig your mind...

 

[sean69]

They had a supportive father figure, its just that the father figure was undercut by a lot of negative BS from the extended family. It had a negative affect on damn near all of the male and female members of the family. My father's influence most likely kept their situations from being a LOT more fucked up than they actually were, they, at least, are highly functioning dysfunctional women (if that makes sense). I think the problem is that the black community is so matriarchal in the first place. Families I personally have witnessed that had a widespread positive male influence don't seem to have these issues where families that have a widespread female influence, even if positive, are more prone to this kind of shit. My previous comment would be deemed as "sexist" in many circles, but that too is a big part of the problem. We can't tell the truth for fear of PC reprisals. A family without strong men simply has a harder road to travel to achieve success no matter how strong the women in that family may be. A family with a single patriarch will even tend to be more successful than one with several strong feminine figures, a family with several strong male role models is almost guaranteed to succeed. Black women AND MEN need to understand this and once again internalize it.

Your personal opinion dude. There isn't even any logic here.

Of course I disagree.

It takes nurturing from both parents to raise a well rounded kid. This should be pretty intuitive. Of course there are exceptions to this on both sides because nothing is "guaranteed".

Unless you have some sound scientific empirical evidence stating otherwise your assertions are purely those of personal opinion which have clearly been biased by your personal family experience.

My mom's family is a wash to me, it has been what it has been for far too long. The formula they thought was one for success only sustained for a single generation (my mother's) before it fell apart under the weight of it's own bullshit. My mother and her siblings have all done well for themselves, some are even quite wealthy, their children, even the wealthy ones, are, for the most part, a mess. If my father failed at anything, it was that he put so much focus on me and far less on my sisters, but that was because he knew, in that environment, I was going to be the one targeted for demolition by the women in the family, not them. I've watched the men my age in that family be destroyed in one way or another one by one until I can count on one hand how many of them are not shells of either what they were or what they could have been. I've watched the women in that family destroy them by either reminding them constantly what they were not or feeding them constant bullshit about what they supposedly, but undeservedly were.

A strong man has always been and will always be the foundation of a family, but a woman has to understand and embrace her role in a family as well to not become emotional anti-matter (by that I mean men and women should ENHANCE each others presence in the family and not cancel each other out).

OK. Had to stop right here.

The first highlighted part is bull. The second highlighted part is argumentatively incongruent with the first. Either that or a poor choice of analogy.

I don't buy this popular myth that at man (or a woman) is the foundation, pillar, rock or whatever metaphor you wana use, of the family. Bullshit. The relationship between a man and woman within the family structure as it pertains to raising kids should be purely and completely synergistic.

That is all.

I've had to argue with my wife about familial roles and why they must be in place. It's not trivial shit and too many women AND men have come to believe otherwise to their own detriment. Just because we were forced to accept a shitty familial arrangement in this country due to conditions we had very little control over does not mean that the approach is the best one to take. I love my momma to death, but I can plainly see what a fucking mess my family would have been without my father, and my mom was a strong woman (whether I personally agreed with many of her stances or not).

What shitty familial arrangement?

 

[PrincessC]

Now, the flipside. A lot of black "men" (the quote around the word men is 100% intentional because the term is used loosely as hell) have become everything they claim they hated about black women. Hell, to be honest, a LOT of black men have flat out BECOME black women. They are catty, loud, troublesome, have unrealistic standards and expectations that they only apply to their own and do not apply to other races and many of them feel 100% justified feeding that shit to any younger black men they come in contact with, including their sons. These black men are bitter for the EXACT same reason their female couterparts are bitter. They have poor judgement and they blame any-and-everything for this poor judgement except the poor judgement itself. They then feed this skewed view of the world created in the cesspool of their own shallowness and stupidity to young black people to assure their cycle of stupidity and bitterness survives another generation.

I could not agree more.

 

[glueguy]

are the kids doing good in school. are they learning what they need to learn to be prepared for the next grade. are they respecting their parents. are they not involved with drugs.
if you can check off all those categories then everything else is secondary. at 12 there main focus should be learning to be able to supportive themselves when they get older.

 

[kwazdog]

are the kids doing good in school. are they learning what they need to learn to be prepared for the next grade. are they respecting their parents. are they not involved with drugs.
if you can check off all those categories then everything else is secondary. at 12there main focus should be learning to be able to supportive themselves when they get older.

What about loving themselves and their refection...Their not machines for crying out loud! Humans (children) are like delicate musical instruments that need to be lovingly tuned and taken care of...No offense but your statement comes across as very cold and obtuse and unexperienced with connecting with the various multitudes of personality types.... Almost with an totalitarian like quality...

 

[LoneStar29]

Humans (children) are like delicate musical instruments that need to be lovingly tuned and taken care of

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww you big softie, that was so cute


And I'm lovin' the knowledge ZERO is spittin' in here ... go ahead my brotha

 

[kwazdog]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww you big softie, that was so cute


And I'm lovin' the knowledge ZERO is spittin' in here ... go ahead my brotha

It's true tho...

many of us are suffering because were damaged or out of tune, or both... The hard part is acknowledging this. We begin to slowly learn/re-learn to play in tune and in rhythm with our true desires (improving our lives) and one another..thus healing takes place..

 

[LoneStar29]

It's true tho...

many of us are suffering because were damaged or out of tune, or both... The hard part is acknowledging this. We begin to slowly learn/re-learn to play in tune and in rhythm with our true desires (improving our lives) and one another..thus healing takes place..

Gat damn that was DEEP lmao and made perfect sense ... I C/S

 

[geist]

Damn, this is tough to call. It's a fucked up example of nature vs nurture. On one hand, he's obviously a kid that the girls are feeling. Which is good. Given his environment, that could've easily went the other way, even today. Given his environment though, you can't really be surprised that he likes white girls. But at the same time, the question that begs to be asked is, since he's not around too many black girls, what's causing him to feel the way he does?

 

[sean69]

Damn, this is tough to call. It's a fucked up example of nature vs nurture. On one hand, he's obviously a kid that the girls are feeling. Which is good. Given his environment, that could've easily went the other way, even today. Given his environment though, you can't really be surprised that he likes white girls. But at the same time, the question that begs to be asked is, since he's not around too many black girls, what's causing him to feel the way he does?

His environment.

 

[geist]

His environment.

lol, yeah that was kinda a leading question wasn't it?

But waitaminute, now that I think about this. I'm thinking, this is a 12 year old kid who got his phone snatched and looked through. That might've been his way of rebelling for that. But at the same time his little bro seemed to clown him for even liking white girls. Sounds like he had some kind of traumatic event.

 

[Zero]

What shitty familial arrangement?

You don't think the fact that the American black family often runs without a male adult figure in it is a fuckd up arrangement that we did not ask for? Also, you don't think it is a coincidence that special effort was made to break up black families historically in this country? There is a reason why you feel that me stating that the father is the foundation of the family is somehow a fucked up and incorrect statement. The patriarchal family unit has worked for every other culture on this planet for eons and the attempt at trying to make the family unit work without a father figure has GLARIGNLY failed in the black community. You can site cases where daddy not being around may have worked, but I don't have to do a double blind study to tell you without empirical evidence that the shit FAILS miserably in a majority of cases.

Now I'm not talking about normal situations like death and in some cases divorce, but show me a kid that doesn't have a relationship with his daddy because momma can "Do bad all by herself" and I'll show you a kid that is fucked in the head the majority of the time. The nuclear family is what it is for a reason. Be it God or nature or whatever you want to call it, it works.

I know this is SOL and maybe my message is not what the ladies would like to hear (and maybe you are more concerned about your audience than the truth), but I try my best to keep shit as real as possible at all times and the fact of the matter is, the fatherless family unit is a failed model, PERIOD.

 

[kwazdog]

You don't think the fact that the American black family often runs without a male adult figure in it is a fuckd up arrangement that we did not ask for? Also, you don't think it is a coincidence that special effort was made to break up black families historically in this country? There is a reason why you feel that me stating that the father is the foundation of the family is somehow a fucked up and incorrect statement. The patriarchal family unit has worked for every other culture on this planet for eons and the attempt at trying to make the family unit work without a father figure has GLARIGNLY failed in the black community. You can site cases where daddy not being around may have worked, but I don't have to do a double blind study to tell you without empirical evidence that the shit FAILS miserably in a majority of cases.

Now I'm not talking about normal situations like death and in some cases divorce, but show me a kid that doesn't have a relationship with his daddy because momma can "Do bad all by herself" and I'll show you a kid that is fucked in the head the majority of the time. The nuclear family is what it is for a reason. Be it God or nature or whatever you want to call it, it works.

I know this is SOL and maybe my message is not what the ladies would like to hear (and maybe you are more concerned about your audience than the truth), but I try my best to keep shit as real as possible at all times and the fact of the matter is, the fatherless family unit is a failed model, PERIOD.

C/S... I dont know if I'll ever not be "fucked up" in some way. I'll do my damnedest to make sure my kids never will have to question their self worth (If daddy loved them) like I have in the past. never...

 

[sean69]

You don't think the fact that the American black family often runs without a male adult figure in it is a fuckd up arrangement that we did not ask for?

No, I don't think the forced matriarchal structure of the black family in America is simply summarized in a phrase like "fucked up arrangement".

Also, you don't think it is a coincidence that special effort was made to break up black families historically in this country?

Nah, I don't think it's a "coincidence". It was covertly and overtly engineered.

There is a reason why you feel that me stating that the father is the foundation of the family is somehow a fucked up and incorrect statement.

Yes there is.
No one parent in the foundation of the family. This is a popular propagated myth that only serves to furnish the male machismo and ego.

This brand of mythology is basically just an extension and reversal of white stereotypes of black inferiority.

It's unfounded by any data and/or logical infrastructure.

Show me scientific studies, data, anything other than personal opinion that says otherwise and I will stand corrected.

The patriarchal family unit has worked for every other culture on this planet for eons and the attempt at trying to make the family unit work without a father figure has GLARIGNLY failed in the black community. You can site cases where daddy not being around may have worked, but I don't have to do a double blind study to tell you without empirical evidence that the shit FAILS miserably in a majority of cases.

Actually you do. At least to convince me. Unlike others, I just don't cosign like "oh, that's some deep shit" just because it makes me feel good. It's gotta make sense too.

And I never argued that a matriarchal family is superior or even adequate. You can quote me if I did.

What you said that I did have issue with, which t I quoted, was:

"Families I personally have witnessed that had a widespread positive male influence don't seem to have these issues where families that have a widespread female influence, even if positive, are more prone to this kind of shit"...

"This kind of shit" referring to the issues with the women in your family.

This ...

"A family with a single patriarch will even tend to be more successful than one with several strong feminine figures, a family with several strong male role models is almost guaranteed to succeed."

... is also hyperbole and nonsense.

Now I'm not talking about normal situations like death and in some cases divorce, but show me a kid that doesn't have a relationship with his daddy because momma can "Do bad all by herself" and I'll show you a kid that is fucked in the head the majority of the time. The nuclear family is what it is for a reason. Be it God or nature or whatever you want to call it, it works.

Replace daddy with mommy and momma with poppa and I raise you a really interesting black porn forum with a few thousand fucked up kids ... boys.

The last time I checked, the nuclear family = dad, mom, kids.

I know this is SOL and maybe my message is not what the ladies would like to hear (and maybe you are more concerned about your audience than the truth), but I try my best to keep shit as real as possible at all times and the fact of the matter is, the fatherless family unit is a failed model, PERIOD.

Actually, ironically, for some convoluted reason, it appears to be what the ladies want to hear. LOL. Browse through the thread son.

Concerened about my audience? You mean like, getting SOL/Rapidshare points? Ooooh.

When did I ever argue for or even advocate a "fatherless family unit"? Where? When? Quote? Hmm?

This straw-man argument shit is played the fok out. Come on son.

You're entitled to your personal "truth" dude. Carry on.

 

[Dallas Bueller 2010]

One has chased loosers her entire life and ended up giving birth to my niece from one of those loosers (this is the niece who has spent most of her life in the best schools).

Another has always had extremely high standards for what she wanted in a black man and then married a dude who had all of the external requirements, but ended up being a fraud and a hustler that took her to the cleaners

Another has simply spent 48 years of her life MANLESS

NONE of them should be offering opinions or advice to ANYONE when it comes to who they should date.

Just curious, how did he take her to the cleaners? can you elaborate a little more?