Nobody Knows the Identities of the 150 People Killed by U.S. in Somalia, but They Deserved It

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https://theintercept.com/2016/03/08...omalia-but-most-are-certain-they-deserved-it/

The U.S. used drones and manned aircraft yesterday to drop bombs and missiles on Somalia, ending the lives of at least 150 people. As it virtually always does, the Obama administration instantly claimed that the people killed were “terrorists” and militants — members of the Somali group al Shabaab — but provided no evidence to support that assertion.

Nonetheless, most U.S. media reports contained nothing more than quotes from U.S. officials about what happened, conveyed uncritically and with no skepticism of their accuracy: The dead “fighters … were assembled for what American officials believe was a graduation ceremony and prelude to an imminent attack against American troops,” pronounced the New York Times. So, the official story goes, The Terrorists were that very moment “graduating” — receiving their Terrorist degrees — and about to attack U.S. troops when the U.S. killed them.

With that boilerplate set of claims in place, huge numbers of people today who have absolutely no idea who was killed are certain that they all deserved it. As my colleague Murtaza Hussain said of the 150 dead people: “We don’t know who they are, but luckily they were all bad.” For mindless authoritarians, the words “terrorist” and “militant” have no meaning other than: anyone who dies when my government drops bombs, or, at best, a “terrorist” is anyone my government tells me is a terrorist. Watch how many people today are defending this strike by claiming “terrorists” and “militants” were killed using those definitions even though they have literally no idea who was killed.

Other than the higher-than-normal death toll, this mass killing is an incredibly common event under the presidency of the 2009 Nobel Peace laureate, who has so far bombed seven predominantly Muslim countries. As Nick Turse has reported in The Intercept, Obama has aggressively expanded the stealth drone program and secret war in Africa.

This particular mass killing is unlikely to get much attention in the U.S. due to (1) the election-season obsession with horse-race analysis and pressing matters such as the size of Donald Trump’s hands; (2) widespread Democratic indifference to the killing of foreigners where there’s no partisan advantage to be had against the GOP from pretending to care; (3) the invisibility of places like Somalia and the implicit devaluing of lives there; and (4) the complete normalization of the model whereby the U.S. president kills whomever he wants, wherever he wants, without regard for any semblance of law, process, accountability, or evidence.

The lack of attention notwithstanding, there are several important points highlighted by yesterday’s bombing and the reaction to it:

1) The U.S. is not at war in Somalia. Congress has never declared war on Somalia, nor has it authorized the use of military force there. Morality and ethics to the side for the moment: What legal authority does Obama even possess to bomb this country? I assume we can all agree that presidents shouldn’t be permitted to just go around killing people they suspect are “bad”: they need some type of legal authority to do the killing.


Since 2001, the U.S. government has legally justified its we-bomb-wherever-we-want approach by pointing to the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), enacted by Congress in the wake of 9/11 to authorize the targeting of al Qaeda and “affiliated” forces. But al Shabaab did not exist in 2001 and had nothing to do with 9/11. Indeed, the group has not tried to attack the U.S. but instead, as the New York Times’ Charlie Savage noted in 2011, “is focused on a parochial insurgency in Somalia.” As a result, reported Savage, even “the [Obama] administration does not consider the United States to be at war with every member of the Shabaab.”


Instead, in the Obama administration’s view, specific senior members of al Shabaab can be treated as enemy combatants under the AUMF only if they adhere to al Qaeda’s ideology, are “integrated” into its command structure, and could conduct operations outside of Somalia. That’s why the U.S. government yesterday claimed that all the people it killed were about to launch attacks on U.S. soldiers: because, even under its own incredibly expansive view of the AUMF, it would be illegal to kill them merely on the ground that they were all members of al Shabaab, and the government thus needs a claim of “self-defense” to legally justify this.

But even under the “self-defense” theory that the U.S. government invoked, it is allowed — under its own policies promulgated in 2013 — to use lethal force away from an active war zone (e.g., Afghanistan) “only against a target that poses a continuing, imminent threat to U.S. persons.” Perhaps these Terrorists were about to imminently attack U.S. troops stationed in the region — immediately after the tassel on their graduation cap was turned at the “graduation ceremony,” they were going on the attack — but again, there is literally no evidence that any of that is true.

Given what’s at stake — namely, the conclusion that Obama’s killing of 150 people yesterday was illegal — shouldn’t we be demanding to see evidence that the assertions of his government are actually true? Were these really all al Shabaab fighters and terrorists who were killed? Were they really about to carry out some sort of imminent, dangerous attack on U.S. personnel? Why would anyone be content to blindly believe the self-serving assertions of the U.S. government on these questions without seeing evidence? If you are willing to make excuses for why you don’t want to see any evidence, why would you possibly think you know what happened here — who was killed and under what circumstances — if all you have are conclusory, evidence-free assertions from those who carried out the killings?

2) There are numerous compelling reasons demanding skepticism of U.S. government claims about who it kills in airstrikes. To begin with, the Obama administration has formally re-defined the term “militant” to mean: “all military-age males in a strike zone” unless “there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.” In other words, the U.S. government presumptively regards all adult males it kills as “militants” unless evidence emerges that they were not. It’s an empty, manipulative term of propaganda and nothing else.

Beyond that, the U.S. government’s own documents prove that in the vast majority of cases — 9 out of 10 in fact — it is killing people other than its intended targets. Last April, the New York Times published an article under the headline “Drone Strikes Reveal Uncomfortable Truth: U.S. Is Often Unsure About Who Will Die.” It quoted the scholar Micah Zenko saying, “Most individuals killed are not on a kill list, and the government does not know their names.”

Moreover, the U.S. government has repeatedly been caught lying about the identities of its bombings victims. As that April NYT article put it, “Every independent investigation of the strikes has found far more civilian casualties than administration officials admit.”

Given that clear record of deliberate deceit, why would any rational person blindly swallow evidence-free assertions from the U.S. government about who it is killing? To put it mildly, extreme skepticism is warranted (after being criticized for its stenography, the final New York Times story yesterday at least included this phrase about the Pentagon’s claims about who it killed: “There was no independent way to verify the claim”).

3) Why does the U.S. have troops stationed in this part of Africa? Remember, even the Obama administration says it is not at war with al Shabaab.

Consider how circular this entire rationale is: The U.S., like all countries, obviously has a legitimate interest in protecting its troops from attack. But why does it have troops there at all in need of protection? The answer: The troops are there to operate drone bases and attack people they regard as a threat to them. But if they weren’t there in the first place, these groups could not pose a threat to them.

In sum: We need U.S. troops in Africa to launch drone strikes at groups that are trying to attack U.S. troops in Africa. It’s the ultimate self-perpetuating circle of imperialism: We need to deploy troops to other countries in order to attack those who are trying to kill U.S. troops who are deployed there.

4) If you’re an American who has lived under the war on terror, it’s easy to forget how extreme this behavior is. Most countries on the planet don’t routinely run around dropping bombs and killing dozens of people in multiple other countries at once, let alone do so in countries where they’re not at war.

But for Americans, this is now all perfectly normalized. We just view our president as vested with the intrinsic, divine right, grounded in American exceptionalism, to deem whomever he wants “Bad Guys” and then — with no trial, no process, no accountability — order them killed. He’s the roving, Global Judge, Jury, and Executioner. And we see nothing disturbing or dangerous or even odd about that. We’ve been inculcated to view the world the way a 6-year-old watches cartoons: Bad Guys should be killed, and that’s the end of the story.

So yesterday the president killed roughly 150 people in a country where the U.S. is not at war. The Pentagon issued a five-sentence boilerplate statement declaring them all “terrorists.” And that’s pretty much the end of that. Within literally hours, virtually everyone was ready to forget about the whole thing and move on, content in the knowledge — even without a shred of evidence or information about the people killed — that their government and president did the right thing. Now that is a pacified public and malleable media.
 
I saw a special a few weeks ago with several former c.i.a. directors and they said they usually don't have a confirmation of the identity of the person and usually just assume any group of men is terrorists.
 
Remember that Obama is considered soft in comparison to all the current candidates except Sanders...so this will get worse
 
Seems someone knows exactly who was hit.

LINK
"The American air strike was targeted at al-Shabab fighters planning another such attack, according to the Pentagon."

Story is just parroting the Pentagon, like most news soursces that report the story... by the governments own admission, they don't know who they are actually killing 90% of the time.
 
something happend in somalia, some cia agents

got got... or some shit...

they said xe formely known as blackwater was sent there....

thats why I cant stand this bullshit misleading corporate news, shoved down our throats you never hear the real story till decades later....
 
This article is extremely shallow click-bait. There is so much wrong with this write-up I don't even want to waste time typing to dispelling it because it's structured so bad, but I'll debate it for BGOL.

SMH at y'all defending these TERRORIST.
 
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Remember that Obama is considered soft in comparison to all the current candidates except Sanders...so this will get worse
 
why are you complaining. If you ask me, the US did not drop enough bombs
on those bastards. If your conscience is fighting you, remind it of the word
Garissa.

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-100 fucks given; Obama needs to send even more drones back
since it is possible some of the buggers did not die


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Please................

Dude are you tired of my cyber smacks to your face...


Was Kenya mall massacre 'mastermind' backed by CIA cash? Disturbing claims by 'double agent who worked with terror suspect for years'
  • Morten Storm was an informant for intelligence agencies for five years
  • Met Abdukadir Mohamed Abdukadir, or Ikirma, in Nairobi in 2008
  • At the time, the Somali terrorist was only a messenger in Al-Shabab
  • Storm believes CIA gave him the resources to become a mastermind
  • Ikrima is also believed to have lived in London for six to 12 months




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...orked-terror-suspect-years.html#ixzz42Sz04aCS
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
 
Dude are you tired of my cyber smacks to your face...


Was Kenya mall massacre 'mastermind' backed by CIA cash? Disturbing claims by 'double agent who worked with terror suspect for years'
  • Morten Storm was an informant for intelligence agencies for five years
  • Met Abdukadir Mohamed Abdukadir, or Ikirma, in Nairobi in 2008
  • At the time, the Somali terrorist was only a messenger in Al-Shabab
  • Storm believes CIA gave him the resources to become a mastermind
  • Ikrima is also believed to have lived in London for six to 12 months




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...orked-terror-suspect-years.html#ixzz42Sz04aCS
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Fuck this bullshit
 
No one knows who they killed... thats the point. They admit they have no idea more often than not.
Not sure, but I bet the CIA funded them at least once....

There is a DoD division called Africon, they have had Special Forces the horn of Africa for more than three decades, they knew exactly who these clowns are. What they aren't going to do is give up source of their intelligence, that's not how intelligence works. Please go do some research, these are the same guys who have been jacking up Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Somalia for a long time.
 
There is a DoD division called Africon, they have had Special Forces the horn of Africa for more than three decades, they knew exactly who these clowns are. What they aren't going to do is give up source of their intelligence, that's not how intelligence works. Please go do some research, these are the same guys who have been jacking up Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Somalia for a long time.

Are you implying

the cia and/or the dod dont fund terrorist??
 
I have not read this yet, but the did not bomb Botha. And the real terrorist will be revealed one day. When 911 happened they said the terrorist would next try to poison the water supply. Seems like Flint is trying to show us something. That may be a test to see how much they can do and how much they can get away with. People made money off of that and they told lies, but they are just like the real people that did 911.
I am not sure about Somalia. But supposedly that was the first time they claim to use the military for a black cause. As to clean up the fact of using black bodies to die to keep rich white people in power oppressing blacks. The civil war is sad to see blacks given guns but did not use them on the people that was oppressing them and killing them.
Unless we got our own military we are sacrificing to keep white power and a white reality going.
 
No, I'm saying they knew exactly who they were killing. I am not saying CIA/DoD has always been the good guys, I am saying there is no reason to defend these people.

I aint defending jack, Im just sayin how far would they be without all that funding from the west..

you ask me they aint nothing but violent flunkies..

I know about the taliban and alqaeda... so I wouldnt be surprised if they

become the next household name.......

at the end of the day.. its the international banksters pulling the strings..

moving the chess pieces..

thats how I see it..no more... no less!!
 
I have not read this yet, but the did not bomb Botha. And the real terrorist will be revealed one day. When 911 happened they said the terrorist would next try to poison the water supply. Seems like Flint is trying to show us something. That may be a test to see how much they can do and how much they can get away with. People made money off of that and they told lies, but they are just like the real people that did 911.
I am not sure about Somalia. But supposedly that was the first time they claim to use the military for a black cause. As to clean up the fact of using black bodies to die to keep rich white people in power oppressing blacks. The civil war is sad to see blacks given guns but did not use them on the people that was oppressing them and killing them.
Unless we got our own military we are sacrificing to keep white power and a white reality going.

Man it aint just flint, the water if fucked up in "black" areas.. all over this country and you cant convince me its NOT by design....
 
There is a DoD division called Africon, they have had Special Forces the horn of Africa for more than three decades, they knew exactly who these clowns are. What they aren't going to do is give up source of their intelligence, that's not how intelligence works. Please go do some research, these are the same guys who have been jacking up Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Somalia for a long time.
The US has used drones to bomb several buildings claiming they were terrorist strong holds when in reality they were just schools,hospitals or civilian residents.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/airstrike-kills-doctors-without-borders-staff-in-afghanistan-1443851465

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_us_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/2...often-unsure-about-who-will-die.html?referer=

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147
 
No, I'm saying they knew exactly who they were killing.

Read this: https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/

Drone attacks are the opposite of "surgical" as the Obama administration likes to publicly claim... they literally have no idea who they are killing more often than not. Group of males? Bomb them, claim they are militants/terrorists and the media will report it as so. Corporate media is not going to see if the claims are true.

Drones probably create more terrorists than they kill.
 
An election would finally create a functional government and al-Shabab, a jihadist group allied to al-Qaeda, which has plagued the country for years, would be knocked back;
In late January, a base manned by Kenyan troops in the south-west of the country was overrun by militants. Perhaps hundreds of soldiers were killed (Kenya has refused to release a number, but the Somali president, Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, has said that 180 died).

So Somalia doesn't have a functional government, yet they have a President?
 
Read this: https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/

Drone attacks are the opposite of "surgical" as the Obama administration likes to publicly claim... they literally have no idea who they are killing more often than not. Group of males? Bomb them, claim they are militants/terrorists and the media will report it as so. Corporate media is not going to see if the claims are true.

Drones probably create more terrorists than they kill.
There are some highly protected places on this earth. My question is always why? Places like the Vatican, area 51, the Mormons got a highly protected spot, The owners of Disney world, there is room 33, etc. What type of world are these people really in that run things? It seems to me they have a reality hid for all to live by soon. Just like the trapped people in Jonestown. On the outside it looked like racial harmony. You do not know the longer you become a part of it the more you have to give up your manhood to become one of Jim Jones women. All we know is that America and the white power click is getting stronger and stronger while the masses are getting weaker and weaker.
 
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